Questions about the storyline that didn't make sense to you

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  • edited May 2015

    The Carver one is seriously the only thing that makes me really question the writers, having Carver beat Kenny with his injured arm, and able to shoot Alvin (even at point blank range) is ridiculous. Being realistic at all, in 203 it doesn't even seem that Carver had his arm treated as its the same texture and everything, he would have bled out. Also, him beating Kenny with THAT SAME ARM would seriously injure it. Carver would be in more pain then Kenny at that moment. Either the writers should have re-written that part or just make it Carvers left arm that was shot instead would make so much more sense.

    What about Kenny getting his stomach slashed by Jane? What about Jane shoving her finger in his injured eye? Why did the St. Johns consider Mark to be dead if he just go shot in the shoulder? (goes with Brenda's line "We go after folks who are gonna die anyway!" but counter argued with Danny's "Like y'all" comment pretty much saying they are gonna kill them anyway. +1 for writers there).

    Hold did Shawn survive even though pretty much the same thing happened to him when you saved Duck?

    Unfortunately we could go on for days about this, and it would really just make us dislike the game. But I do think it could have been written to avoid things like that :DDDDDDD

    LoseMyHome posted: »

    The way this game handles getting shot in general seems pretty unrealistic/inconsistent Clementine should probably be in a lot more pain

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited May 2015

    I think they should have done two things regarding Carver and his wound:

    1) Make the shot more difficult in the first place, have him hide behind Alvin more or stand at a hard to hit angle

    2) Have Kenny actually miss the shot on Carver, which prompts him to immediately shoot Alvin to prove that he's really, really not fucking around. It'd also help to outline how dumb and risky it is trying to take potshots at people in the middle of a hostage situation.

    What about Kenny getting his stomach slashed by Jane?

    I always got the notion that it wasn't a very deep cut, hence why he's still able to fight and not bleed out from it. Sometimes simple wounds bleed a lot more than you'd expect, which makes them look a lot worse than they really are.

    AGentlman posted: »

    The Carver one is seriously the only thing that makes me really question the writers, having Carver beat Kenny with his injured arm, and abl

  • edited May 2015

    1) I agree, maybe even possibly making Kenny hit Alvin instead or something

    2) That could help incredibly with the "tension" with Kenny and the others, who can scold him for being dumb that like that even though they already did I guessEDIT I just realized I just said the exact same thing as you on that one lol

    Also, Kenny should have learned from Walt dying, but I'm assuming Kenny thought he could get a kill shot on Carver. Also Kenny should have talked about his motive for wanting to kill Carver more, (after they are taken to Howe's) being wanting to avenge Walter. I mean in the 203 preview he did so...

    Deltino posted: »

    I think they should have done two things regarding Carver and his wound: 1) Make the shot more difficult in the first place, have him hid

  • What about Luke stupidly running into gun fire? How many suckers felt bad when he drowned. It was his own fault not Arvo's

  • plot Armour

    Thank you! I felt this was a problem with playing as her. That's why I'm against playing as her again. The other useless, dumbasses relied on her for everything. I know grown men who would be dead in her shoes

    Talimancer posted: »

    You're naming tasks that are so menial that they're not worth mentioning. You're really trying hard to make S1 to be the same as S2 when it

  • Well Arvo caused him to get shot in the first place

    Clemenem posted: »

    What about Luke stupidly running into gun fire? How many suckers felt bad when he drowned. It was his own fault not Arvo's

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator

    To be fair, they weren't technically shooting when he started to move

    Clemenem posted: »

    What about Luke stupidly running into gun fire? How many suckers felt bad when he drowned. It was his own fault not Arvo's

  • Arvo didn't cause him to get shot. Luke not wanting to wait until the guy ran out of ammo got him shot.

    AGentlman posted: »

    Well Arvo caused him to get shot in the first place

  • edited May 2015

    The difference between Clementine's contribution to the group in S1 and S2 was how they were portrayed.

    The list you provided in Season 1 showed that while Clementine can contribute to the group, the tasks given to her or done from her own initiative were usually reasonable to do for her age. Only she remembered that there was a cane in the office when the adults were too busy defending the base and it was reasonable for her to go and fetch it since she knew where it was, and Clementine was the only one small enough to fit through the doggy door to unlock the door, and even then the player can choose to praise her or scold her for doing things on her own without the adult's permission.

    The air vent task in the locker room was a little more complicated but still reasonable since not only Clementine was the only one small enough to fit through, the adults were shown to be uncomfortable and reluctant to have a child go off on her own in a dangerous situation and were clearly terrified that she could get caught sneaking out.

    In Season 2 not only she grew to be competent at a ridiculous degree, her competence ended up overshadowing the majority of the cast to the point where only an eleven-year-old was the most able out of everyone. Why couldn't Alvin just get off his backside and search the small cabin himself? He proved he could when he speaks to Clementine later on in the building, so why make it out that only Clementine could do it at the time? As for the windmill, everyone is stumped on how to use a key and leaves a child alone to deal with it as walkers approaching when it would be more logical for an adult to do it and have Clementine stay inside the building out of harms way.

    And then there's Clementine breaking the group out of Carver's community singlehandedly, and the majority of the adults pushes her to carry out the more difficult tasks, ignoring the fact that she's just an eleven year old girl. The whole scene is set up that only a child could so it, but the group never considers that perhaps an adult could easily do just as much as a child would, if not more. Compared to Season 1, Clementine was practically surrounded by slave drivers. I'm surprised Amid The Ruins didn't have Clementine deliver Rebecca's baby via QTE a la Beyond: Two Souls...perhaps the writers had some standards at the time.

    Why not, if people can make excuses for Season 1, why can't we do it for Season 2? If you look at both seasons, Season 1 has just as much st

  • How did Carver find the group? They could have gone like anywhere, yet Carver was always messing around.

  • edited May 2015

    Stored gasoline and diesel degrade with time (fuel still can last for a couple of years, if stored properly). Assuming oil refineries work no more, there will be no suitable fuel for generators, cars, etc. in like 3 to 5 years time. How do they deal with that in the comics?

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    Stored gasoline and diesel degrade with time (fuel still can last for a couple of years, if stored properly). Assuming oil refineries work n

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited May 2015

    How do they deal with that in the comics?

    They stop relying on vehicles and other things that run on gas, diesel, and other fuels

    Horse-drawn carriages for transportation, windmills, solar panels and other such sources of energy for power, you get the idea

    After around 3 years into the comics, there's barely any cars or generators being used, save for some lucky exceptions

    Stored gasoline and diesel degrade with time (fuel still can last for a couple of years, if stored properly). Assuming oil refineries work n

  • But he never would have possibly gotten shot if Arvo didn't get his group to start shooting you.

    Anthorn posted: »

    Arvo didn't cause him to get shot. Luke not wanting to wait until the guy ran out of ammo got him shot.

  • I think that Mike Character development, when developed, will clarify why he helped Arvo. I think that mike's sister died in the same fashion that Arvo sister did and that's why he helped Arvo like he did.

    Clemenem posted: »

    A few things I'd like to point out about that trash ass lake scene The whole lake scene has to be one of the biggest emotionally artifici

  • yet again, those are actually things that I seen 9 year old kid do. I shot a cat before and climbed into my house through the window, and breaking into it with a hanger, when around that age. I also make a motor scooter and raised the funds myself. I jumped off of roofs,too. But I cant really speak on a 9 year old girl doing the same thing.

    Why not, if people can make excuses for Season 1, why can't we do it for Season 2? If you look at both seasons, Season 1 has just as much st

  • Exactly

    AGentlman posted: »

    But he never would have possibly gotten shot if Arvo didn't get his group to start shooting you.

  • I'm pretty sure Arvo never wanted his group to start shooting. If anything it was either Clementine or Kenny who started the crossfire by shooting Rebecca, who reanimated.

    AGentlman posted: »

    But he never would have possibly gotten shot if Arvo didn't get his group to start shooting you.

  • Horse-drawn carriages for transportation, windmills, solar panels and other such sources of energy for power

    And don't you dare forget Rick's plot armor up the bum

    I'm a gamer it's kinda my thing

    Deltino posted: »

    How do they deal with that in the comics? They stop relying on vehicles and other things that run on gas, diesel, and other fuels

  • He still accused you for robbing him

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    I'm pretty sure Arvo never wanted his group to start shooting. If anything it was either Clementine or Kenny who started the crossfire by shooting Rebecca, who reanimated.

  • I never understood Kenny's alleyway 'death' in season 1. Why did he lock the gate if he was just going to shoot Ben and then fight his way out? I thought he was going in there so he could put Ben out of his misery and then let the walkers kill him. He could've just shot Ben and then carried on with Lee to the Marsh house, it just confuses me.

  • Technically, he was robbed. Regardless of whether you take the medicine or not Arvo leaves without his gun, his only means of self-defence, which was forcibly taken by Jane earlier.

    Besides, we don't know whether he was the one to bring up the plan to ambush the group or his group forced him to scout them out and act as the translator and mediator. Not robbing him implies that he was forced by his group to take part in the ambush, since he was apologetic towards Clementine.

    AronDracula posted: »

    He still accused you for robbing him

  • He still said he told his group that they robbed him. Also, why would he go back for his freaking gun? Medicine is more important than GUNS. Guns are only used to defend ourselves when medicine are used prevent people's injuries and sicknesses. Also I think Jane is the reason Arvo ambushed the group because she was such a bitch towards him for no reason.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    Technically, he was robbed. Regardless of whether you take the medicine or not Arvo leaves without his gun, his only means of self-defence,

  • If we were robbed we'd probably tell our group what happened, and I doubt they'd let the robbery go, especially Kenny who is very well known to hold grudges. The Russians aren't all that different from Clementine's group, they just happened to be the one that Jane (and possibly Clementine) robbed, and they were the ones who acted first out of vengeance.

    Guns are important in a zombie apocalypse due to their range, since not everyone is going to want to risk using melee weapons close up and risk getting bitten. If a gun gets stolen from you, and you don't have any other weapon on you, how are you going to fight off walkers on your way back to your group? Especially when you have a leg brace?

    And you're right, Jane is entirely responsible for the ambush, and she suffers no consequences for it since she's never implicated for it. Had she not robbed him, pointed his own weapon on him, and encourage Clementine to steal medicine that was for his sister, there's a chance that Arvo and his group wouldn't have come back and ambushed us.

    AronDracula posted: »

    He still said he told his group that they robbed him. Also, why would he go back for his freaking gun? Medicine is more important than GUNS.

  • Why would the game say characters are gonna "remember" that when they were about to die?Here are the examples:

    1. Shawn Greene. The game said he won't forget what Lee said about killing walkers, but died 10 minutes later.
    2. Mark. The game said he noticed what Lee said about staying at St. John's Dairy, but died when he stayed inside the house after the bandit ambush,
    3. Carley. If Carley was saved, the game will say she will remember Lee defending her from Lilly or accusing her for dealing with the bandits.
    4. Dee. The game can say she will remember Bonnie calling her a bitch, but dies 10 minutes later.
    5. Christa. The game can say she will remember what Clem said about Lee or Omid, but disappears in the matter of seconds (I dunno when she is gonna return).
    6. Pete. If Pete was saved, the game can say he will remember Clem's promise to look after Nick EVEN though he was bitten and about to die.
    7. Alvin. If Alvin was saved, the game can say he will remember Clem trying to convince him to come with her, but dies in the matter of seconds.
    8. Sarita. If you didn't chop her arm off, the game can say she will remember Clem saying it's gonna be okay EVEN though she was bitten.
    9. Sarah. The game says she will remember Clem talking about life and survival but dies in the matter of seconds or 30 minutes later.

    Telltale does really think we're so stupids.

  • edited May 2015

    Jane could have just give his gun back and use her own freaking gun to make sure he didn't threaten them

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    If we were robbed we'd probably tell our group what happened, and I doubt they'd let the robbery go, especially Kenny who is very well known

  • Exactly, and yet she thought stealing another gun from a stranger and threatening them was a brilliant idea.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Jane could have just give his gun back and use her own freaking gun to make sure he didn't threaten them

  • Guns are not all that safe, If you shoot one walker then it could draw near by walkers to you due too the noise.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    Exactly, and yet she thought stealing another gun from a stranger and threatening them was a brilliant idea.

  • True, but sometimes you just have to use whatever you have on you to defend yourself, even if you're taking the risk of attracting walkers with the noise.

    Then again, the story is fickle when it comes to whether guns attracts walkers or not. Bonnie unloads her AK right in the middle of a hoard, and not one of them right next to her pays any attention whatsoever.

    Mike777 posted: »

    Guns are not all that safe, If you shoot one walker then it could draw near by walkers to you due too the noise.

  • edited May 2015

    http://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i

    Translation of what the Russians were saying.

    Also, when did Kenny become faster than a speeding bullet.

  • Also, she just dropped it for no reason and it's never seen or used later. What a genius. We didn't even have an option to keep it for ourselves.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    Exactly, and yet she thought stealing another gun from a stranger and threatening them was a brilliant idea.

  • Guess that's just another writing error in Season 2 for us to nit-pick, eh?

    AronDracula posted: »

    Also, she just dropped it for no reason and it's never seen or used later. What a genius. We didn't even have an option to keep it for ourselves.

  • For feels/to throw you off. The shock value actually worked for Carley/Doug because it fooled players into lowering their defenses.

    Now, of course, I think it's a cliche that's become obsolete. Season 2 of TWD was lazily-written, so that it didn't actually matter one iota whether a character "remembered" how you treated them or not.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Why would the game say characters are gonna "remember" that when they were about to die?Here are the examples: * Shawn Greene. The game

  • Most logical explanation is plot armor

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    True, but sometimes you just have to use whatever you have on you to defend yourself, even if you're taking the risk of attracting walkers w

  • Pretty much, yeah.

    Mike777 posted: »

    Most logical explanation is plot armor

  • How about the fact that everybody thinks Clem is Lee's daughter when there's no option to say she's your daughter in Episode 1

  • I always got the notion that it wasn't a very deep cut, hence why he's still able to fight and not bleed out from it. Sometimes simple wounds bleed a lot more than you'd expect, which makes them look a lot worse than they really are.

    True very true.

    Deltino posted: »

    I think they should have done two things regarding Carver and his wound: 1) Make the shot more difficult in the first place, have him hid

  • Well, I don't see much problem here. Clem's part black, you know. I would assume the same seeing them two together.

    Anthorn posted: »

    How about the fact that everybody thinks Clem is Lee's daughter when there's no option to say she's your daughter in Episode 1

  • How about even after the fact he states she's not his child?

    Well, I don't see much problem here. Clem's part black, you know. I would assume the same seeing them two together.

  • Did he mention that? I can't really remember.

    Anthorn posted: »

    How about even after the fact he states she's not his child?

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