Sorry, but it is in no way believable that Jane was doing this for the good of the group. This 'group' contains of Kenny (whom she wanted to be gone ), AJ (whose life depended on Kenny and Clem hearing him scream. Somewhere in a car. In a Blizzard. With walkers lurking around the place.) and Clementine (who would have been better off with Jane and/or Kenny alive. But no, Jane decides to keep her mouth shut about AJ being alive and it all being a trick. What for? For the group's safety? Yeah, right. And it's even more ridiculous when you support and defend Kenny in their conversations.) So there's two possibilities. Jane's either a horrible person or a horribly stupid wanna-be-hero who is more danger than Kenny ever was.
3: The shouting in the car, about Kenny's family.
To this day I have no idea where this dialogue came from. It's so forced beyond be… morelief, making Kenny and Jane instant enemies for no good reason, and it's so painfully obvious the writers dropped this scene into the game for no reason other than to "build up" to the final conflict. When did Jane ever learn about Kenny's past family? Who ever bothered to tell her about Duck or Katjaa? Where the heck did this "argument" come from?
4: Aj, she leaves him in a car and wants to get Kenny killed just to prove a point.
Like I've said before, she didn't hide AJ and bait Kenny just to prove a point that Kenny was crazy. People love that "just to prove a point" nonsense when dissing Jane. Kenny was literally dragging them all on what should've been realistically portrayed as a literal suicide mission to find Wellington, which Jane didn't want any of them to go on. If the endings had… [view original content]
Ironically, I would have preferred Sarah and Nick's company over Jane.
Jane's actions alone caused the downfall of Clementine's group more than Sarah and Nick could ever hope to do. If anyone was the liability, it was Jane the so-called survivalist.
Jane had the bad experience with her sister. So did Molly. When she said that Sarah was like Jamie. She's wrong. Jamie wanted to give up Sar… moreah didn't she was just broken. 'Broken people get reckless'
I think of it like this. If I were in a real apocalypse, I would NOT want anyone like Sarah or Nick in my group whatsoever. They are both walking liabilities.
I think that Troy and Jane were both at their lowest points when they meet, or she arrived, or however they got to Howes. They weren't saints but they saw somethin in each other before Clem's group came. They defintely werent a match made in heaven, but misery needs company.
I like to think (in my fanfic world, not in telltales actuality) that Troy put on a show for Carver but Jane was gettin to him. I dont wanna say much cause I'll ruin my own fan fic lmao
I'm curious; what do you think was the nature of Troy's and Jane's relationship? I try to write fics myself, and imagining exactly what went on between Jane and Troy for said fics has always been a bit tricky I feel.
The reason I hated Jane from the start was because she shot Troy in the dick. I don't care what's going on, (just like cartman said, you don… more't just shoot someone in the dick!) that was when I knew I couldn't trust her.
The Sarah thing was understandable when you got dozens of walkers coming through the doors, I don't have time to give you a pep talk.
The Luke thing, well, it's the apocalypse I'll give him a pass.
The final showdown: after reading the comments here, mainly longlivelee, I never thought about the fact that if she brought a baby into the blizzard it would've been just as bad if not worse then leaving AJ in the car. I don't really hate her for toying with Kennys emotions to start the fight, but if you have a knife and he has one good eye, you can't lose. Jane is the one about survival of the fittest, and she lost so that was it for her. I kinda wish neither of them had to die, and you coulda just left them there in the sno… [view original content]
It is easy to hate the one, you haven´t choosed, you see what happened from the survivors perspective (and depending from your decisions before belonging to them).
But IMO they both wanted to take care about clementine, both not straight the right way, Jane wanted to show how dangerous Kenny can be and to protect clem and make her to follows her, but instead of talking she forced clementine (wanted or not) to decide about his and her life.
Kenny on the other side is a good man but changed, nearly broke by what happened to him and become more and more instabile and violent, but his (hidden) character isn´t like this, nevertheless he has moments he can´t control himself.
Both of them wants the best for clementine but (maybe) messed it up. Whom we trust and how we evaluate what is worse is our decision - and very difficult.
But seen bashing on one of them is...understandable but me it hurt seeing people express really hatefull opinions - their opinions are their own, but please, we all have the opportunity to think and discuss about them right here to understand them.
Kenny and Jane, every guy in TWD isn´t quite normal, even Rick would be scared if he would see himself of the 4th season when he came out of the hospital in S1.
It is easy to hate the one, you haven´t choosed, you see what happened from the survivors perspective (and depending from your decisions bef… moreore belonging to them).
But IMO they both wanted to take care about clementine, both not straight the right way, Jane wanted to show how dangerous Kenny can be and to protect clem and make her to follows her, but instead of talking she forced clementine (wanted or not) to decide about his and her life.
Kenny on the other side is a good man but changed, nearly broke by what happened to him and become more and more instabile and violent, but his (hidden) character isn´t like this, nevertheless he has moments he can´t control himself.
Both of them wants the best for clementine but (maybe) messed it up. Whom we trust and how we evaluate what is worse is our decision - and very difficult.
Probably one of my favorite characters in season 2. Such a shame she was placed in to feud with Kenny.
Kenny was getting on my nerves. It was mainly all about Kenny, so it really didn't bother me when I had to kill him to save Jane.
"Clementine, what do we do about Kenny?"
"Clementine, you have to talk to Kenny!"
At this point, I really don't care that he lost his family. Everyone had lost someone in their family, Kenny just happened to cry about it the most. Even though it's going to be a bummer to see Jane die in season 3 (Because determinant characters don't last that long) I am just glad we had the option to kill Kenny.
I'd be more bold and simply say Kenny, just Kenny alone, destroyed everything in season 2. Jane was the only one ALIVE (Luke )and brave enough to stick around for Clementine.
The reason I hated Jane from the start was because she shot Troy in the dick.
This was huge for me as well. I liked Troy's character. He had some amusing lines.
Cause we were forced to like Kenny in season 2, so it's easy for people to build hate for Jane as a result.
I don't like her because of how the story was written, not really what her character was. She could've been better way better, but she came off as manipulative, selfish, and unpredictable. And her story was made so similar to Molly's that people (I actually didn't notice this to until I came to this forum) never gave her a chance
I have a Feeling that Expressing my Love for Jane and overall Respect I had for her and care I had for her will Get me Crucified faster than Being a Skyward Sword fan in a Sea of Ocarina of Time fans. So I'll put it like this,
Ep4 Jane was a great character with a really good potential. Until the super forced Kenny vs Jane thing happened. It turned such a good character into a complete jerk.
EDIT: Just pointing out that I do not stand by this opinion. Not anymore anyways. After a deeper analisys of the series and several replays, I realised that Jane is a pretty well made and consistent character that I happen to relate a lot with. She is now my favourite character of all the TWD media!
Why did HE have to come back? The minute he came back it was all about him. All the cabin survivors were put to the side, and ruined all the great potential they could've had. I agree with you, he was getting on my nerves. He never listened to anyone and argued with almost anyone who disagrees with him (Jane, Luke, Rebecca, Nick, Carlos, and Mike).
Probably one of my favorite characters in season 2. Such a shame she was placed in to feud with Kenny.
Kenny was getting on my nerves. It… more was mainly all about Kenny, so it really didn't bother me when I had to kill him to save Jane.
"Clementine, what do we do about Kenny?"
"Clementine, you have to talk to Kenny!"
At this point, I really don't care that he lost his family. Everyone had lost someone in their family, Kenny just happened to cry about it the most. Even though it's going to be a bummer to see Jane die in season 3 (Because determinant characters don't last that long) I am just glad we had the option to kill Kenny.
She's a survivor. More likely to live than anyone else. Well, before she got attached to Clem then she can die. I was really pissed at her for her "plan" but she was kinda right about Kenny going bonkers. I'm not saying baby stealing is good, I'm just saying Kenny = cray. Anyone who isn't Clem or AJ is in danger, and people who play TWD tend to forget that point, and just care about Clem, or themselves by extension.
That's the best way to go through life you know. Judging people by the first words they say. Hey guess what? I don't like you by the first words I've seen you say.
It's a good thing I actually give people a chance.
That's the best way to go through life you know. Judging people by the first words they say. Hey guess what? I don't like you by the first words I've seen you say.
It's a good thing I actually give people a chance.
I'd be more bold and simply say Kenny, just Kenny alone, destroyed everything in season 2. Jane was the only one ALIVE (Luke )and brave enough to stick around for Clementine.
Kenny is my favorite. First she said to stay out of it, then she started the fight with Kenny, later she asks me to help, ummm.. nope it's your fault and i stayed out of it just like she said. I chose Kenny and refused to get in Wellington. #TeamKenny
Kenny is my favorite. First she said to stay out of it, then she started the fight with Kenny, later she asks me to help, ummm.. nope it's y… moreour fault and i stayed out of it just like she said. I chose Kenny and refused to get in Wellington. #TeamKenny
As someone who legitimately hates Jane, I wouldn't blame her for Clementine putting down Nick. Yes, she points it out and suggests it, but I'm pretty sure it was established that putting down a turningg/turned friend was considered a good favor at that point.
Ditto the rest of it, though. I even did a topic that used her as the example.
At first, it was because she was a fuckin' Molly spinoff, but after that...as soon as she tried to convince me to leave Sarah behind, I knew exactly what kind of person she was.
Well, might as well host my opinion, despite this being from a year ago.
I like Jane. Although I won't be seeing her in my Season 3, I would like to hear about people saying how Jane's view of people has changed, just from having Clementine around.
Assuming she isn't killed off in a flashback.
(I really hope Kenny/Jane live through a majority of the season.)
I like Jane, her ideology though... It's really sad how she thinks that the people whom you care about are all burdens when it's exactly the opposite, if The Walking Dead teaches something, is that people have to work together in order to accomplish relevant goals. Having people around helps you survive as much as it helps keeping your soul alive.
I like her character a lot. Honestly I think she's one of the only characters in the game who have a chance at helping Clementine survive. Everyone else is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
I like her character a lot. Honestly I think she's one of the only characters in the game who have a chance at helping Clementine survive. Everyone else is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
I said "one of" in the first sentence. It means I was talking about Jane and a few others. Ex: talking about Jane, lee. Then in the other sentence I said "everyone else". Meaning everyone else except for the few I indirectly stated (lee) in the first sentence.
(there are other characters who are not dumb either but its gonna take forever to name them all right now so I'll stop at Lee.)
Yeah and when you tell Jane to save Sarah, she'll respond with "Are you crazy, there's no way she's getting out of that, it's suicide, pull me up", you actually have to ask her twice for her to do it. If you stay silent, yeah she'll go down to try and save her but still, the whole attitude of it before hand and not really wanting to even try to save her is what i had a problem with, even if it was dangerous. Clem can also determinantly tell her "you didn't want to save her, don't pretend you're sorry". Anyway, i can forgive that but it's still something i'd mark down as a negative for her.
Ironically, I would have preferred Sarah and Nick's company over Jane.
Jane's actions alone caused the downfall of Clementine's group mor… moree than Sarah and Nick could ever hope to do. If anyone was the liability, it was Jane the so-called survivalist.
At least she does it. If I was in her situation I wouldn't want to do it either tbh. I understand that the whole Sarah situation was very sad and unfair, but Jane did not have to save her, she does multiple times. Her attitude simply doesn't matter.
Yeah and when you tell Jane to save Sarah, she'll respond with "Are you crazy, there's no way she's getting out of that, it's suicide, pull … moreme up", you actually have to ask her twice for her to do it. If you stay silent, yeah she'll go down to try and save her but still, the whole attitude of it before hand and not really wanting to even try to save her is what i had a problem with, even if it was dangerous. Clem can also determinantly tell her "you didn't want to save her, don't pretend you're sorry". Anyway, i can forgive that but it's still something i'd mark down as a negative for her.
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Sorry, but it is in no way believable that Jane was doing this for the good of the group. This 'group' contains of Kenny (whom she wanted to be gone ), AJ (whose life depended on Kenny and Clem hearing him scream. Somewhere in a car. In a Blizzard. With walkers lurking around the place.) and Clementine (who would have been better off with Jane and/or Kenny alive. But no, Jane decides to keep her mouth shut about AJ being alive and it all being a trick. What for? For the group's safety? Yeah, right. And it's even more ridiculous when you support and defend Kenny in their conversations.) So there's two possibilities. Jane's either a horrible person or a horribly stupid wanna-be-hero who is more danger than Kenny ever was.
Ironically, I would have preferred Sarah and Nick's company over Jane.
Jane's actions alone caused the downfall of Clementine's group more than Sarah and Nick could ever hope to do. If anyone was the liability, it was Jane the so-called survivalist.
I think that Troy and Jane were both at their lowest points when they meet, or she arrived, or however they got to Howes. They weren't saints but they saw somethin in each other before Clem's group came. They defintely werent a match made in heaven, but misery needs company.
I like to think (in my fanfic world, not in telltales actuality) that Troy put on a show for Carver but Jane was gettin to him. I dont wanna say much cause I'll ruin my own fan fic lmao
She dun goofed
Why even ask this question now, when there's literally been nothing but Jane bashing on these forums for the past year?
This was huge for me as well. I liked Troy's character. He had some amusing lines.
It is easy to hate the one, you haven´t choosed, you see what happened from the survivors perspective (and depending from your decisions before belonging to them).
But IMO they both wanted to take care about clementine, both not straight the right way, Jane wanted to show how dangerous Kenny can be and to protect clem and make her to follows her, but instead of talking she forced clementine (wanted or not) to decide about his and her life.
Kenny on the other side is a good man but changed, nearly broke by what happened to him and become more and more instabile and violent, but his (hidden) character isn´t like this, nevertheless he has moments he can´t control himself.
Both of them wants the best for clementine but (maybe) messed it up. Whom we trust and how we evaluate what is worse is our decision - and very difficult.
But seen bashing on one of them is...understandable but me it hurt seeing people express really hatefull opinions - their opinions are their own, but please, we all have the opportunity to think and discuss about them right here to understand them.
Probably one of my favorite characters in season 2. Such a shame she was placed in to feud with Kenny.
Kenny was getting on my nerves. It was mainly all about Kenny, so it really didn't bother me when I had to kill him to save Jane.
"Clementine, what do we do about Kenny?"
"Clementine, you have to talk to Kenny!"
At this point, I really don't care that he lost his family. Everyone had lost someone in their family, Kenny just happened to cry about it the most. Even though it's going to be a bummer to see Jane die in season 3 (Because determinant characters don't last that long) I am just glad we had the option to kill Kenny.
I'd be more bold and simply say Kenny, just Kenny alone, destroyed everything in season 2. Jane was the only one ALIVE (Luke
)and brave enough to stick around for Clementine.
I knew it wasn't only me! And yeah Troy was hilarious, he shoulda survived longer
Cause we were forced to like Kenny in season 2, so it's easy for people to build hate for Jane as a result.
I don't like her because of how the story was written, not really what her character was. She could've been better way better, but she came off as manipulative, selfish, and unpredictable. And her story was made so similar to Molly's that people (I actually didn't notice this to until I came to this forum) never gave her a chance
Now That I can actually agree with.
I have a Feeling that Expressing my Love for Jane and overall Respect I had for her and care I had for her will Get me Crucified faster than Being a Skyward Sword fan in a Sea of Ocarina of Time fans. So I'll put it like this,
"Versatility, is not overrated."
I didn't like Jane the first second she opened her mouth
Ep4 Jane was a great character with a really good potential. Until the super forced Kenny vs Jane thing happened. It turned such a good character into a complete jerk.
EDIT: Just pointing out that I do not stand by this opinion. Not anymore anyways. After a deeper analisys of the series and several replays, I realised that Jane is a pretty well made and consistent character that I happen to relate a lot with. She is now my favourite character of all the TWD media!
Why did HE have to come back? The minute he came back it was all about him. All the cabin survivors were put to the side, and ruined all the great potential they could've had. I agree with you, he was getting on my nerves. He never listened to anyone and argued with almost anyone who disagrees with him (Jane, Luke, Rebecca, Nick, Carlos, and Mike).
She's a survivor. More likely to live than anyone else. Well, before she got attached to Clem then she can die.
I was really pissed at her for her "plan" but she was kinda right about Kenny going bonkers. I'm not saying baby stealing is good, I'm just saying Kenny = cray. Anyone who isn't Clem or AJ is in danger, and people who play TWD tend to forget that point, and just care about Clem, or themselves by extension.
That's the best way to go through life you know. Judging people by the first words they say. Hey guess what? I don't like you by the first words I've seen you say.
It's a good thing I actually give people a chance.
Oh believe me I tried to like her, because I realized just what you said is true, it just didn't happen. And it's just a game, relax.
Jane ruined episode 4, she is the reason Nick and Sarah are dead because she had more development for no reason..
Kenny is my favorite. First she said to stay out of it, then she started the fight with Kenny, later she asks me to help, ummm.. nope it's your fault and i stayed out of it just like she said. I chose Kenny and refused to get in Wellington. #TeamKenny
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As someone who legitimately hates Jane, I wouldn't blame her for Clementine putting down Nick. Yes, she points it out and suggests it, but I'm pretty sure it was established that putting down a turningg/turned friend was considered a good favor at that point.
Ditto the rest of it, though. I even did a topic that used her as the example.
I always hated her.
At first, it was because she was a fuckin' Molly spinoff, but after that...as soon as she tried to convince me to leave Sarah behind, I knew exactly what kind of person she was.
Well, might as well host my opinion, despite this being from a year ago.
I like Jane. Although I won't be seeing her in my Season 3, I would like to hear about people saying how Jane's view of people has changed, just from having Clementine around.
Assuming she isn't killed off in a flashback.
(I really hope Kenny/Jane live through a majority of the season.)
I like Jane, her ideology though... It's really sad how she thinks that the people whom you care about are all burdens when it's exactly the opposite, if The Walking Dead teaches something, is that people have to work together in order to accomplish relevant goals. Having people around helps you survive as much as it helps keeping your soul alive.
Jane is on my black list.
I like her character a lot. Honestly I think she's one of the only characters in the game who have a chance at helping Clementine survive. Everyone else is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
She is good to Clementine but she care about herself always. In the the end she proved that she is stupid. she in my least favorite list
Are you making Lee a bag of hammers?
I will repeat myself.
That answers your question.
You said "Everyone else is as dumb as a bag of hammers"
I said "one of" in the first sentence. It means I was talking about Jane and a few others. Ex: talking about Jane, lee. Then in the other sentence I said "everyone else". Meaning everyone else except for the few I indirectly stated (lee) in the first sentence.
(there are other characters who are not dumb either but its gonna take forever to name them all right now so I'll stop at Lee.)
Yeah and when you tell Jane to save Sarah, she'll respond with "Are you crazy, there's no way she's getting out of that, it's suicide, pull me up", you actually have to ask her twice for her to do it. If you stay silent, yeah she'll go down to try and save her but still, the whole attitude of it before hand and not really wanting to even try to save her is what i had a problem with, even if it was dangerous. Clem can also determinantly tell her "you didn't want to save her, don't pretend you're sorry". Anyway, i can forgive that but it's still something i'd mark down as a negative for her.
You've changed your tune.
At least she does it. If I was in her situation I wouldn't want to do it either tbh. I understand that the whole Sarah situation was very sad and unfair, but Jane did not have to save her, she does multiple times. Her attitude simply doesn't matter.