Do you agree with Lilly
that shooting Carley/trying to shoot Ben was the right thing to do?
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that shooting Carley/trying to shoot Ben was the right thing to do?
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...Um, shooting a person who din't betray the group at all and got shot because of a insult doesn't justify death at all. With Ben, on the other hand, I think the proper punishment would of been kicking him out of the group, rather than shooting him at point blank. So, either way, I don't think Lilly was in the right when she shot Carley or when she tried to shoot Ben and killed Doug instead.
I don't think it was right or wrong. In one way it was right, she was trying to protect the group not just from a possible traitor, but herself. The wrong thing was that she let her anger out in the wrong way. She could have let it all out by being reasonable not killing. She was at the right place at the wrong time.
I agree that Lilly was in the wrong for shooting Carley/Doug but I disagree with kicking Ben out of the group as punishment. He made the deal with the bandits because he thought they had his friend and he wanted to stop the attacks on the motel. Yeah, he could have dealt with the situation better by discussing it with the group first, and his actions did lead to them losing the motel and Duck getting bitten but he didn't mean to do any harm. I forgave Ben in the end, he made a pretty big mistake but he didn't deserve to be abandoned for it.
I don't believe she was right to shoot Carley, who had done nothing wrong to the group or Lilly, other than make her angry. Even though I don't really like Ben, I don't think she was right to try to shoot him, either. I get that she had a lot of pent up grief and anger, but she could have done what Carley said and tried to take a page from Lee's book. She could have talked through it, maybe calmly let Ben leave the group like he wanted, and nobody would have had to get killed.
Absolutely not. That's not her call to make. Even if she knew Ben was guilty, the guy is still pretty much a kid. Not to mention, Clementine was inside the RV. It was wildly irresponsible.
Yeah, well instead of wasting the bullet i would of tied him to a tree and left, ben is worthless. I can understand Lily's feelings towards ben. As for Carley, don't piss off a woman with PTSD. She wasn't stable in the beginning, before kenny smashed her fathers head in, then that happened she became PTSD LILLY, so of course i take her side. Carley should've known better to open her mouth, to a angry PTSD person armed with a gun, who hasn't learned self control over again.
Nope, no, no.
There's no way no way you can convince me cold blooded murder in any scenario is the right thing to do.
This wasn't cold blooded murder - this is like Lee's murder. Killing in a burst of rage and emotion. Outside of it being pretty obvious without any nudging, the game even tells you this in Season 2 episode 5.
Lilly had her father killed brutally in front of her. She taught the group how to shoot, tried to save them, and Kenny tried to leave her behind at the motel. She had so, so many doubts about herself (as victims of bullying and trauma often do, and right after Kenny trying to leave her to die, Carley says she never helps anyone, and she snapped.
Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. Was Lee murdering the senator the right thing to do? Again, absolutely not. But sometimes empathy goes a long way.
How would you describe shooting someone on the side of the road?
..obviously killing an innocent/trying to kil a guilty person before explaining themselves is wrong...? Bit of a loaded question. It's like asking 'Was Kenny right to verbally abuse Clementine?'.
The real question is whether people empathise with her situation or not.
Trying to kill Ben/Carley is not at all the right thing to do. And I really don't know how someone could say that it is
I mean sure, I can empathize with her, and I understand that she was trying to keep everyone safe by eliminating what she perceived to be a threat, but that doesn't make the action inherently right
Okay 'cold blooded' was a poor choice of words I should've just said murder.
Lilly had no reason to accuse Carley for working with the bandits. She was complete stupid
What's location got to do with it?
..not COMPLETELY stupid. She's the only person (besides determinantly Lee) who actually thinks someone on the group was stealing supplies - everyone else doesnt believe her.
Did she have a reason to accuse Carley?
My opinion on the situation is that Lily was still hurting at the death of Larry and wanted someone who had betrayed the group to have the same fate as him. This is somewhat understandable and the reason that leaving Lilly behind is one of the few regrets I had. Even though I happily killed Larry, I couldn't bring myself to leave Lilly behind on my second playthrough round.
She was scared, Carly was pushing her buttons and lily was defending herself and felt like she was the person. No doubt, lily should not have killed Carly/Doug but the way Carly was approaching the situation was very aggressive. And Ben was acting guilty.
I also don't agree with Lilly's murder. I hate how people blame Carley for her own death, Lilly was basically accusing her without the proof it was her. She was indeed pushing her and even mocked her to the point where Carley had to stand up for herself and tell her off. So she was spechless and Lilly's only solution to her problem is to shoot her when her back is turned, to twist the knife, with her own gun (I think it was Carley's gun). She wasn't even thinking straight of the consequences. She killed a useful survivor and talked like she had to do it. Her crying out that she'll die outside if you leave her is also pretty hypocritical, since she tried to kick out Carley and Ben. No one approved of what she did (Lee, Kenny, Katjaa, Clem, Ben) so why should I? Even trying to kill Ben is not ok. Doug didn't deserve what happened to him. I don't blame anyone who left her behind for her cold-blooded murder (I did it too), but if you let her in the RV she steals it and leaves the group behind to die, I mean, what if the train didn't work? I doubt group would walk towards Savannah.
I get that she was really fucked up because of what happened to Larry (Which is completely understandable) but, come on, what she did was straight up murder. I can't agree with that. She was just wrong. Even if she guessed right with Ben, it was still wrong as hell. I don't feel I was wrong to leave her on the side of the road like that. I'd do it again.
I thought you were making a general comment about her intelligence, rather than saying she was merely 'being' stupid at the time.
So you fully agreed with Larry wanting to get Lee out of the group after he discovered he was a murderer?
Well, I was Lee. So no, I didn't entirely agree with it because I was trying to be a good guy, but I understood. I would have understood it a hell of a lot better had Larry not tried to murder Lee immediately after Lee saved his life, and instead just informed the group of Lee's past though. It's understandable to not want to be in close proximity to a proven murderer. People shouldn't be forced to stay grouped with a killer if they don't want to be. Had the group discovered Lee's past and asked him to leave then I would have done it, not happily, but I would have done it regardless. Which is also why I kicked Lilly to the curb. Nobody wanted her around after what she did.
She was right about Ben but Carley
Understandable and good intentions, but no shooting was wrong.
No, and that's why her ass got left behind. You can't just kill people because you're angry or hurt or traumatized. I get it. Her father died horribly in front of her. People doubted her. Ben put everyone in danger. Carley provoked her somewhat. But all these things do not make murder justifiable — not even when Lee killed the senator. I wasn't going to take the risk of having Lilly around while Clementine was at my side.
Still love Lilly though. She's a good character & one of my favorites.
No
Nothing really.
No way. She didn't even have any good evidence and she just lost it.
She killed Carley because she got mad. Just like Lee.
Ben is a risk to everyones life. I mean every time he screws up, he is putting a gun to the groups head. How many deaths was ben responsible for? Eventually you have to face reality, and come to a conclusion, taking ben with us isn't a good idea.
She wasn't even the traitor, stupid Lilly
People make mistakes,
Carley provoked her and she is aware of that Larry was killed unwillingly. Even if Lilly was accusing others unjustly, Carley has no right to talk to Lilly like that. If only Lee diffused the situation forcefully, things wouldn't go that downhill.
Even if we could tell Ben did it, killing them would make them monsters. I'd boot them out but killing is not right.
I don't know if you can consider the two to be on the exact same level (emphasis on exact)
You might leave Lilly unarmed on the side of the road, but at least she's fully conscious and in an open space with plenty of room to run, and with no large groups of zombies nearby
Larry knocks Lee to the floor and leaves him helpless in an enclosed room filled with zombies, then closes the only doorway out on him
At the core of it, you're both trying to get rid of a murderer who you distrust and/or see as a threat to your group, but at least with Lilly, you're giving her some marginal chance of surviving on her own instead of sentencing her straight to death, even if it isn't the highest statistic. Lee, on the other hand, would have died right then and there if Kenny didn't decide to come back into the drugstore
What about Doug?
She wanted to kill Ben, cause she had a reason (it's hard to trust someone one more time when he betrays you), but Doug saved him. His death was an accident. That's why i don't blame her. She just wanted to protect the group. In some tough, odd way, but she cared.
I maybe a Lilly fan, but with regards to this, no. What she did was the result of a boiling point finally bursting. I was an impulsed decision, I'm sure others have done things without thinking about the repercussions. So, no I don't agree yet I will not condone her to banishment, but I'm sure somewhere the guilt, pain and regret is tearing up inside her.
It's just gonna have to be something she's going to live the rest of her life with.
She was dealing with her dad for so long and he had his issues. And he just does right there. All that hard work was worth nothing.