Lilly and Jane: A disaster waiting to happen?
NO, this isn't a ship. I'm just wondering, if these two met, will it be another Kenny for Lilly or could they actually get along?
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NO, this isn't a ship. I'm just wondering, if these two met, will it be another Kenny for Lilly or could they actually get along?
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Ah, wow....had me worried there for a minute.
I don't think it would be anywhere as bad as Kenny vs. Jane or even Kenny vs. Lilly. Two reasons.
1.) Less psychological instability : The major Lily vs. Kenny and Kenny vs. Jane conflicts were driven by one of the conflicting parties being mad with grief and rage.
2.) Less bad blood, at least initially.
I would side with Lilly all the time, no question. At least she cares for Clem, she even gave Clem her hair clips. Lilly would not do any bad stuff towards Clem like how Jane did, would she? Lilly is better than Jane.
Jane did care for Clem; that's why she tried to convince her that being around Kenny was dangerous for her. And taught her how to fight walkers better.
If she didn't care at all she wouldn't have stayed with the group.
Jane didn't teach her shit. Clem already knew about the knee trick. She cared for Clem because she reminds her of her sister who left to die. Manipulating Clem to shoot Kenny was the dumbest idea Jane has ever done. Jane could have told Kenny that AJ is alive to save herself but no, she was counting on Clem to kill him, she wanted her to pull the trigger.
I don't think Lilly and Jane would get along at all.
Lilly is not one to leave people to die out of selfishness or needless pragmatism, as she opposes Kenny's decision to have a screaming woman be eaten by walkers to buy Lee and Kenny time to get more supplies, so Lilly would definitely be against leaving Sarah to die when she can be saved.
Lilly is more adept in survival without needlessly screwing people over so as long as she is not mentally unstable and at breaking point. She rations the food to allow the group to last longer, she teaches everyone how to use a gun, she is immediately suspicious of the St.Johns after the bandit attack and tries to get the group to leave but to no avail, supports Lee so as long as he doesn't play any part in her father's death during the Meat Locker incident, correctly deduces a traitor in the group and wants them out for the safety of the crew, and rescues the group from the bandit attack right after the discovery of the theft. Her only villainous role is executing the wrong person and potentially stealing the RV out of paranoia if she is not left to die on the road.
As for Jane, she appears competent and adept in survival as an individual, but many of her actions puts the group in needless danger, which would have been at odds with Lilly's consideration with the group's safety above her own. Her idea to smuggle the group out through the massive walker herd cost the lives of Carlos and Sarita, while her suggestion to have Sarah be left behind by the walkers in both scenarios leads to the death of Sarah. Her sex offer with Luke causes the rest of the group to be almost devoured by walkers sneaking up on them, as Luke would have noticed them from miles away from the conservatory deck. And the 'baby's death' plan leads to needless drama, which Lilly would have been smarter to simply talk to Clementine regarding about who she feels safer with.
While both of them care for Clementine, Lilly leans more towards a moral and sensibly practical approach so as long as she is mentally sound and not burdened with whether Lee kills her father, while Jane is more selfish and less considerate towards Clementine's own wellbeing at times regarding about herself and whom she sees as her friend (Sarah, Nick, Kenny), all while having a clearer mentality by comparison.
Completely Agreed XD. Lilly didn't only care for herself as she considers herself as leader of the group
The intention of the scene by the writers was to show Jane teaching clementine about better survival, whether you like it or not.
No less than Kenny cared for Clementine because she reminds him of his son (which, unlike with Jane, we actually have in-game evidence for - he calls clem 'Duck' by mistake. That's pretty clear.) We don't actually have a piece of clear in game evidence that Jane is trying to replace Clementine with her sister. If anything Jane emphasises how different they are. Most of people saying 'she's trying to replace her sister with clem' are people who suddenly become armchair psychologists when they talk about characters they find unlikeable in order to justify it stronger, and also give themselves superiority (e.g. the whole 'jane fans just can't see she's USING them ugh they're so dumbbb' used by Kenny fans last summer in an attempt to gain intellectual superiority over others). Very little respect, and a very large amount of conjecture. But I digress.
She was trying to get Clementine to LEAVE kenny. If she wanted her to kill him she wouldn't have put away her knife, and she wouldn't have fought back as much as she did - it was clearly a real struggle. Nor would she have begged her not to get involved before the fight. if she wanted Clementine to have to shoot Kenny she would have said something like 'if he gets too angry, please do whatever you can to protect me, I'm begging you clem' not 'get away, and try not to get involved'.
In fact, if she actually wanted Kenny dead, what she'd do would be to kill him during the fight and make it look like an accident. But her putting away her knife and saying 'don't come near me' says otherwise.
As I said, why didn't she tell the truth before Kenny stabbed her? It's not fair, she put herself in danger.
I dont think it would happen Lily probably would try to kick Jane after she warn clementine about how Lily does not accept when someone realizes that she is wrong. I would be Jane's side for sure. Both made mistakes , but Jane did more for the group. She isnt a angel but isnt a monster either
Jane save Luke's Life by killing Troy
Jane help kenny save clem when she get shot
Jane help Clem and Rebeca in episode 4
Jane clearly feels bad for killing the russian guy
A lot of people hate Jane because she was indirectly responsible for the death of Kenny. It is true that her plan was stupid, but she did not want to kill him. Remember that Kenny would be killed by the Russian guy, but Jane appeared to save the day. Indirectly Kenny can be alive because of her. it was just a terrible plan that went wrong, A monster would have waited for Kenny being killed, then come back, kill the russian and have clem just for herself.
The best Lily you get just help people twice. During the fight against the brothers and during the bandit's atack.
She killed the most moral, heroic and reasonable caracter from TWD for no reason, just because Carley was tryng to protect a kid from being murdered in cold blood. The fact that Lily was right about Ben never justifies her try to kill him. Ben was ingenuous, not dangerous. I dont see how this can be better than left Sarah behind
She would let the whole group to die on the road. if not for Carley disobeys her and save everyone, we would be eaten alive. Not satisfied she says "We dont know who These People are, They Could be dangerous" Sure, because a group which is caring for two children is clearly dangerous
She uses the fact Lee have killed someone to annoy lee and just knew complain about Kenny. I would have chosen Carley to lead in her place. When Kenny says " You're a murderer Lily, we cant have you with us" uuur duuur im a murder? you had lee this whole time" - I know, he told me. - You know? I was like, YEEEEEESS EVERYONE KNOWS AND UNDERSTAND IT, DEAL WITH IT B****!
She tries to justify her murder after killing Carley' she even say " She wasnt trustworthy I swear", when Carley was the most trustworthy member of the group
Every time I see the Li word I roll my eyes. I hope that pathetic thing died when I left her on the side of the road. If not WTF?
You'll never know but I hope she will come back and take Clem for Jane.
I feel like they would get along. Maybe Lily and her would have a couple of arguments. Lily would probably argue that she's the leader, while Jane would be wanting to leave the whole time. But they both care about Clem so they'd both deal with it.
i dont know..... Both Jane and Kenny cared for clem and..... well..........
Well since they both care for Clementine, maybe they should set aside their faults and work towards helping her out. Become Clem's advisors.
But through some points I do see them butting heads from time to time. Hopefully, Clem can make them agree to disagree.
Lilly and Godzilla: A disaster waiting to happen?
NO, this isn't a ship. I'm just wondering, if these two met, will it be another Kenny for Lilly or could they actually get along?
There was no option to tell Jane so because....plot.
Janes motives proved she cared for Clem. She just uh... showed it in an original way.
Eh, I dunno. You know, if Clem wasn't around and Jane was her usual anti-social self Jane probably wouldn't care to much about Lilly.
+1 Sin "Ding"
Out of all the people in the group, she was one of the smartest. I think that Lily could be reasoned with, so her and Jane wouldn't necessarily have that conflict. I don't believe that Lily would believe Jane's lies, she is smarter than that.
Because she is trying to get Clementine to go with her and prove how dangerous Kenny is. Jane was dumb for it I can agree but that's her intention and it worked. Given one's feelings, leaving with Jane or alone is an option.
when you call a character pathetic but your profile picture is jane
Thanks to R. Kirkman it is unlikely.
What? Lilly and Lilly Caul are not the same
Jane is dangerous towards Clem, she is better off on her own to suffer and rot.
Well they are both named Lilly Caul, they look the same. Originaly "our" Lilly was intended to be Lilly Caul from Woodbury but then R. Kirkman wrote Road to Woodbury.
He confirmed they are not the same, didn't he? Lilly can't just be unknown forever
You mean like kill Carley or Doug...oh wait....she did. So Lilly is no saint...but we can all agree that everything was Kenny's fault.
OMG, don't you start. This is about Lilly and Jane, NOT KENNY.
Hold on...let's be honest...if Kenny had not killed Larry then Lilly would not have become mentally unstable....and Kenny's violent behavior drove Jane to do what she did. Putting Kenny down never gets old...because it is all his fault.
Is it humanly possible for you to not bring up Kenny and how much of a terrible person he is at every possible opportunity
Surely you're capable of stimulating conversation that extends beyond that, right
What if Larry turned into a walker and killed us all? I never trust an old man having a heart attack. Kenny wanted to keep us safe, you fool.
when someone is bothered about my profile picture
You completely missed the point, but okay.
I point out that when Duck was bitten, Kenny was not so eager to bash his head in....so screw Kenny.
It really could go two ways depending on how you treated Lilly and Jane I suppose.
They could end up liking each other out of their mutual hate for Kenny, or they could hate each other because they both like having the leadership role. Although it doesn't matter to me considering I let Jane die, but its definitely an interesting thought.
OMG, he cared for his family, you douche
Also, you have the worst user name
I hope your joking.