Lee is forever dead you silly people. Or the realities of Kenny and Lee.

edited September 2015 in The Walking Dead

Okay, so I've got time to kill, and I am sick of people who clearly haven't played episode 5 of season 1 of the Walking Dead, and who don't have a grasp on how the Walking Dead works. LEE IS DEAD. He either got shot in the head, succumbed to the walker bite and or blood loss. He also got bit a few more times during the herd scene. If you notice, on recent updates, they removed the bites but kept in the animation of Lee staggering after being bit. When I played the episode back in November 2012. He was bit several times during that scene.

Now, a lot of the reasoning behind Lee being able to survive a gunshot to the head or the Walker bite tend to be unrealistic or based on Kenny. SO here it goes.

Reasons why Kenny shouldn't be a factor.
1) The writers of the game never said he was dead. His voice actor confirmed it was the original plan, but it changed during the final episode.
2) His fate was left ambiguous. (It was just how he returned in season 2 that made it seem implausible, because no one bothered to come up with an explanation.
3) Christa only thought he was dead from what Lee told her.

Now onto Lee.
1 The writers have said that the plan was ALWAYS for LEE to DIE at the end of season 1. They've never wavered on this.
2 The lead writer has CONFIRMED HE IS 100% COMPLETELY DEAD.
3 The VOICE ACTORS CONFIRMED HE IS DEAD. The guy who voiced Lee was told during Episode 3 that LEE was going to DIE.
4 IN GAME, Clementine confirmed he was dead, and that she shot him, or left him. She did this several times.
5 YOUR THEORY on that Clementine missed is flawed. She shoots Lee because he asks her to. So you're saying that SHE MISSES and doesn't bother shooting him again? She just says, "Lee, I know you wanted me to shoot you, but I missed, so I'm going to leave you to turn." NAH. Even if she did miss she would obviously shoot him again. And she wouldn't say she shot him if she missed.
6 YOUR LOGIC on Clementine missing that shot is flawed. She can shoot a walker wrestling with Molly a few feet away, but can't hit someone that isn't moving right in front of her?
7 NO ONE IS IMMUNE. It's been 2 years in the comic and the game. If someone was immune it would've happened already, c'mon bro.

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  • Pssh Kenny is still alive regardless of whether the player kills him or not. I mean who else could the writers used better to bury 90% of the cast who ends up just being a carry over to a much better game. You shoot him in the stomach? Pfft he survived it in Season 1 Episode 2. Shot him in the head? Hahaha people in this series have survived headshots Kenny will get lucky... real lucky... Then he'll get even more lucky and return with another foreign woman named Anita. She'll die and he'll yell, scream and whine even more. The writers will repeat Kenny's character arc one final time and make his final mission to find a plane. Never know how amazing and extraordinary circumstances can be with bad writing and the word "lucky"

  • He didn't get shot in the stomach in Season 1 Episode 5. You missed the point of my post, I think.

    Clemenem posted: »

    Pssh Kenny is still alive regardless of whether the player kills him or not. I mean who else could the writers used better to bury 90% of th

  • I saw "The Realities of Lee and Kenny" plus you clearly wanted to establish Lee is dead. And I didn't say in S 1 E5 I said S1 E2

    Anthorn posted: »

    He didn't get shot in the stomach in Season 1 Episode 5. You missed the point of my post, I think.

  • edited September 2015

    The reality being, that in SEASON 1 the writers never said Kenny was dead. We never saw him die. His fate was ambiguous. Lee's fate wasn't ambiguous. He's dead. The writers confirmed he's dead. The voice actors confirmed Lee is dead. They didn't do that for Kenny. Because people are saying that if Kenny can survive an ambiguous fate, then Lee can survive a gunshot to the head and a walker bite, and blood loss.

    Clemenem posted: »

    I saw "The Realities of Lee and Kenny" plus you clearly wanted to establish Lee is dead. And I didn't say in S 1 E5 I said S1 E2

  • Stop telling people what to think , its so annoying.

    I could argue this fact till the end of time, because in reality if the character isn't killed on camera i don't believe it. IE Kenny.

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited September 2015

    The hostility isn't helping champ. With these threads, you're just attracting more attention to the vocal minority that thinks Lee is alive.

  • Well kenny was never bitten and you never actually see him perish. Lee is clearly seen bitten, he visibly gets worse, is handcuffed down and can't escape. I'll admit that when he got bit, it was a bad idea but he was a great character and bringing back in an almost seemingly impossible way would be bad for his character . The moral of the story is he gave his life to rescue clementine and help educate her about the world and how to protect herself. That's a good achievement.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Stop telling people what to think , its so annoying. I could argue this fact till the end of time, because in reality if the character isn't killed on camera i don't believe it. IE Kenny.

  • Lee is definitely dead. He was one of my favourite characters of all time, but honestly expecting him to somehow live when he was A) shot in the face or B) turning into a zombie/dying from blood loss really just cheapens the emotional impact of season 1 and what had made it great. I'd be really dissappointed if he magically lived somehow and would consider it a disservice to telltale's quality storytelling. I understand why people would want him to be alive against the odds, but it's really grasping at straws and I'd hope it would never actually be the case.

  • Mecha-Lee for S3 it is then. :)

  • i'm thinking Jax Lee.

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    DoubleJump posted: »

    Mecha-Lee for S3 it is then.

  • If the writers wished to bring Lee back, what would everyone's reaction be, I would love to see that reaction from the forums. I have no personal feelings about bringing lee back, i don't rule it out as a possibility after Kenny.

    Mrwalto69 posted: »

    Well kenny was never bitten and you never actually see him perish. Lee is clearly seen bitten, he visibly gets worse, is handcuffed down and

  • Mixed. Good and bad.
    I mean they didn't even explain how Kenny survived when there was clearly no where to go so how they would explain a guy who is bit and the infection has spread who is handcuffed somehow surviving is something I'd like to see.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    If the writers wished to bring Lee back, what would everyone's reaction be, I would love to see that reaction from the forums. I have no personal feelings about bringing lee back, i don't rule it out as a possibility after Kenny.

  • I get the feeling that some people are just pissed at the fact that Kenny came back and are demanding it to happen with someone they liked (Lee in most cases). It worked pretty well with Kenny imo, but if you start doing it with other characters it would start to get ridiculous real fast.

  • What are you on about when you say Lee was shot in the head? Clem clearly missed the shot. It sounded off.

  • Uhhhhhhhhhhh... yah.

    Pretty sure the only people who think Lee is alive are young, or don't know the universe that well.

    chill

  • Totally, man. Clem's just a little girl, right? Her aim isn't that good and that bullet must have missed completely and hit like a window or something, man.

    (I know you're joking)

    Rob_K posted: »

    What are you on about when you say Lee was shot in the head? Clem clearly missed the shot. It sounded off.

  • > I could argue this fact till the end of time, because in reality if the character isn't killed on camera i don't believe it. IE Kenny.
    

    You really can't, George.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Stop telling people what to think , its so annoying. I could argue this fact till the end of time, because in reality if the character isn't killed on camera i don't believe it. IE Kenny.

  • half life Lee confirmed

  • Exactly my point, they could just say Lee got "lucky" and that be the end of it. It already happened once before.

    Mrwalto69 posted: »

    Mixed. Good and bad. I mean they didn't even explain how Kenny survived when there was clearly no where to go so how they would explain a guy who is bit and the infection has spread who is handcuffed somehow surviving is something I'd like to see.

  • I CAN SO, cause Lee is alive in my game.

    > I could argue this fact till the end of time, because in reality if the character isn't killed on camera i don't believe it. IE Kenny. You really can't, George.

  • Half Life, do people even want that game anymore?

    half life Lee confirmed

  • high quality games are always wanted

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Half Life, do people even want that game anymore?

  • Nah I knew that a long time ago......jesus stop bringing it up, you're triggering people.

  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited September 2015

    Its like when Duke Nukem came out, everyone was so excited, and then tragedy struck, people played it.

    high quality games are always wanted

  • People can believe what they want. #LeeLives.

  • not really, duke nukem was always stupid, sexist and gratuitous, people somehow forgot that and expected a modern classic, that lead to disappointment, however half life one and two were consistently high quality in production and storytelling, HL3 would only be a disappointment if they totally dropped the ball, and i don't see why they would

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Its like when Duke Nukem came out, everyone was so excited, and then tragedy struck, people played it.

  • edited September 2015

    Lee is a rotting corpse. Get over it.

    Bringing him back would destroy the emotional impact of the first game, which was by far the best game of the series. It would be the complete opposite of good storytelling.

  • Exactly. And I choose to believe the facts.

    People can believe what they want. #LeeLives.

  • Believe what you want to consider facts, and I'll believe what I consider facts. #LeeLives

    Anthorn posted: »

    Exactly. And I choose to believe the facts.

  • Your facts aren't facts while his are

    Believe what you want to consider facts, and I'll believe what I consider facts. #LeeLives

  • For your Lee's. Not mine. I showed him care. :)

    zeke10 posted: »

    Your facts aren't facts while his are

  • ALL lee's are did telltale confirmed it dave fennoy confirmed it even clem confirmed. Can we get a lock for these lee thread they're rally unneeded

    For your Lee's. Not mine. I showed him care.

  • Dat grammar. Nope, mine isn't. Fennoy didn't. Speak to him on Facebook before saying that. Yes block out the only nice people. The believers. xD

    zeke10 posted: »

    ALL lee's are did telltale confirmed it dave fennoy confirmed it even clem confirmed. Can we get a lock for these lee thread they're rally unneeded

  • Well your lee is undead than he'seither dead or undead

    Dat grammar. Nope, mine isn't. Fennoy didn't. Speak to him on Facebook before saying that. Yes block out the only nice people. The believers. xD

  • I just provided an interview where he did.

    Dat grammar. Nope, mine isn't. Fennoy didn't. Speak to him on Facebook before saying that. Yes block out the only nice people. The believers. xD

  • And my facts are true facts. Yours are just facts you choose to believe.

    Anthorn posted: »

    I just provided an interview where he did.

  • Nope I consider mine to be the case for my perspective. Can't convince me otherwise. Wouldn't bother attempting. My Lee Lives. #MyLeeLives #LeeLives

    Anthorn posted: »

    And my facts are true facts. Yours are just facts you choose to believe.

  • And that's fine you believe that. But the sad truth is that the people involved with the project have confirmed he's dead.

    Nope I consider mine to be the case for my perspective. Can't convince me otherwise. Wouldn't bother attempting. My Lee Lives. #MyLeeLives #LeeLives

  • Considering all the stuff I've seen where a person/animal/robot has been said to be dead then suddenly turn out not to be. I'm just going to stick with my two endings. Since I like to pretend there was no second season. After Episode 3 is a dream or Lee is just searching for her as far as I'm concerned. #LeeLives.

    Anthorn posted: »

    And that's fine you believe that. But the sad truth is that the people involved with the project have confirmed he's dead.

  • So because other stuff you've seen where someone has been said to have been dead, turns out to be alive, then a guy, who is in a series where once you're bit you're pretty much screwed, must be alive. Okay......To be honest I'd've preferred that. Season 2 was a dream by Clem and series 3 still has everyone together except Omid and Christa, and the player has to prevent Clem growing up to be how she was in Season 2. (BLAND!)

    Considering all the stuff I've seen where a person/animal/robot has been said to be dead then suddenly turn out not to be. I'm just going to

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