Well yes, everyone does. Or so it feels like. The GoT fandom is getting quite monotonous to be honest. Used to be, there was a delightful mix of Baratheon supporters, Stark supporters, Targaryen supports. It was really fun socialising with them all, hearing different views, but now 99.99% of it is some combination of:
Stannis is the bestest thing evar
Robb Stark is stupid and deserved to die just like his Mum
Fuck Daenerys shes a bitch
The whole thing that attracted me to Game of Thrones in the first place, was the fact no-one side or person is wholly in the right, or wholly in the wrong, and it's up to personal interpretation (just like with history). So seeing just the same opinion over and over again, is quite disappointing, and definitely dull.
Ultimately, Robb Stark is my favourite character. A true northerner who did his best, in the situation he was in, but in the end was ill-equipped for the adversary he was up against (the Lannisters) and paid the price. He's not perfect, no, and he made mistakes like anyone else... but this "idiot" was little more than a boy, and yet rallied the entire north together, and won every battle he fought against House Lannister. Until he was betrayed. He deserved better, from both the people around him, and the people in the actual GoT fandom. No, he's not a mastermind like Varys, Littlefinger or Tywin, but anyone who honestly thinks Robb was an idiot, is clearly one themselves.
Stannis was the rightful heir, and if the Lord of Winterfell acknowledged it, then so should his house and banner men. They are usurpers for that and if Ned was still around, he wouldn't have allowed it.
And you can have your reasons to trust him, it doesn't make you any less of an idiot.
If you like him that's cool man, I'm not tryna convince you to dislike him, and I hope you aren't trying to convince me to like him. I'm just stating how I feel about the matter,
So what if Ned acknowledged Stannis ? Maybe he wanted to be King? And if won the war he would've
For you after watching the show trusting Theon is a mistake, but Robb grew up with him so I think he had reasons to trust him
Stannis was the rightful heir, and if the Lord of Winterfell acknowledged it, then so should his house and banner men. They are usurpers for… more that and if Ned was still around, he wouldn't have allowed it.
And you can have your reasons to trust him, it doesn't make you any less of an idiot.
If you like him that's cool man, I'm not tryna convince you to dislike him, and I hope you aren't trying to convince me to like him. I'm just stating how I feel about the matter,
i believe ned's stupidest move was not leaving kings landing with his soldiers and the girls when renly made the offer to back him (if he wasn't stupid enough to stay in kings landing because of honor and blood line succession, and don't get me wrong i loved ned, he would have still had his head and renly's forces may have been bolstered by the support of the north -> no demon shadow baby -> a better king sitting on the iron throne than tommen or joffrey)
and i agree with you @jeff07hardy that he wouldn't have known not to trust theon because he didn't really know what greyjoys were really like but @shanegrimes that was probably one of his biggest mistakes (because theon's betrayal set the bolton's plan into action)
but i think he was right to start the war to come to his father's cause and (pre-red wedding / pre-jaime freeing) the war was success for the north as he won every battle he was in & they managed to catch jaime early on in the war
From the shows pov, I didn't see the brother connection. Evem Jaime told one of Neds guardsmen (this is the show however) to not trust the kid. I'm just saying Robb didn't have to bend the knee, he just should have respected the rightful heir.
And besides, it would be Vicerys as rightful heir, then Jon. Then Dany. If we're getting technical and calling the Starks what they technically are, usurpers. But then again this whole story wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Roberts rebellion. So stop getting super technical
So your saying he's idiot because he trusted someone who is almost a brother ?
But didn't the Baratheons took the Iron Throne without right? If so Dany is the rightful Queen
I just think that if Ned made it known that he supported Stannis, then in season 5 we would have the Mannis on the Iron Throne. And he would turn his eyes onto the White Walker threat, like everyone else should. He would do right for Westeros, after he burns all the Lannisters down with Casterly Rock
i believe ned's stupidest move was not leaving kings landing with his soldiers and the girls when renly made the offer to back him (if he wa… moresn't stupid enough to stay in kings landing because of honor and blood line succession, and don't get me wrong i loved ned, he would have still had his head and renly's forces may have been bolstered by the support of the north -> no demon shadow baby -> a better king sitting on the iron throne than tommen or joffrey)
and i agree with you @jeff07hardy that he wouldn't have known not to trust theon because he didn't really know what greyjoys were really like but @shanegrimes that was probably one of his biggest mistakes (because theon's betrayal set the bolton's plan into action)
but i think he was right to start the war to come to his father's cause and (pre-red wedding / pre-jaime freeing) the war was success for the north as he won every battle he was in & they managed to catch jaime early on in the war
bleh.... i would rather see tommen/joffrey on the throne than stannis - never really liked him (he has no personality, a religious finatic who never wanted to listen to the only voice of reason in his camp *davos, stubborn and goal oriented but breaks at the first sign of controversy *aka as soon as it started to snow he automatically goes to burn his daughter just like he murdered other members of his family)
honestly out of the remaining characters and who i think i would like / is likely to sit on the iron throne, i truly think there shouldn't even be one and that all the 7 kingdoms should just come together for the purpose of defeating the walkers and then go back to ruling themselves because all the possibilities right now imo are shit *the only person i would have reasonably seen ruling the 7 kingdoms and doing a good job of it is tywin (rip ) just out of the main families:
baratheon:
stannis (after careful analysis of that scene and spoiler rumors i, unfortunately, think stannis is still alive) would make a terrible king because of the reasons i listed above
gendry - interesting to see what he might do once he finishes sailing on his boat haha but i don't think he'll come into play in the story anymore
lannister:
cersei, tommen, jaime i think are all going to die before the walkers get there (i saw a rumor about cersei burning down the sept thinking that marg is in there but burning tommen instead by accident and i think something crazy like that would be great for her character)
tyrion - even though i adore him, he even admitted it himself, he will never come close to ruling in westeros ever again after what he did
tyrell:
margaery, oleana, and loras - hinting at what natalie dormer said at comic con (which i hope isn't true bc marg is my favorite female character) i think they will die before the walkers come because she said grandma isn't around to save them anymore (mace is just irrelevant without the influence of oleana / margaery from what i've seen of him so far)
stark (out of the stark clan the one i'd like to see most is hodor):
arya could give two craps about ruling the kingdoms and i think she is better off just killing every frey she comes across
sansa does have a chance to rule if she fully escapes the boltons and comes back under littlefinger's protection but i really don't enjoy the starks (other than ned and robb) so i wouldn't like to see sansa on the throne
bran / rickon are pretty much irrelevant to me and i could care less about their storylines
jon snow is probably going to be resurrected by melissandre to do azor ahai stuff and won't want to take into the politics of westeros when he's done either
dany (since she's the only targaryen) could possibly rule (if she ever made it to westeros) but imo would make a bad leader because she can't even control a city while she's in it, how is she supposed to control 7 large kingdoms? and also i never liked her ever since she dismissed jorah (after all he's done for her) and more and more elements of her crazy father are starting to show up in her
boltons: their trail of invincibility will eventually stop and ramsay and roose will probably die soon (two of my favorites but admittedly would be horrible rulers for the iron throne so they should probably die before they have the chance to take it)
littlefinger = the most likely to come out as a ruler of the 7 kingdoms after all is said and done but i just don't like him for all the shit stirring he does and varys's quote is very true, he would burn us all if he could be king of the ashes
varys = probably has no interest in ruling and wants to get as far away from kings landing as possible so will just have fun in essos while everything is going down
reek or yara greyjoy = don't like either of them (so much so that i don't ever recognize the first one by his actual name) so hopefully neither of them will rule and very unlikely that either of them will
robin arryn = probably will die soon because he has been deprived for so long of lysa's breast milk (and good riddance)
anyone in dorne = other than oberyn (rip ) dorne was a disaster so hopefully no one from here gets a lot more screentime then they should in the coming seasons
I just think that if Ned made it known that he supported Stannis, then in season 5 we would have the Mannis on the Iron Throne. And he would… more turn his eyes onto the White Walker threat, like everyone else should. He would do right for Westeros, after he burns all the Lannisters down with Casterly Rock
So your saying he's idiot because he trusted someone who is almost a brother ?
But didn't the Baratheons took the Iron Throne without right? If so Dany is the rightful Queen
Robb not bending the knee to Stannis is akin to spitting in Ned's face. Ned raised him to be honourable and always obey the law.
Eddard was willing to execute a child because the king and law required it.
Theon's betrayal isn't something I fault Robb for, though. Theon betraying Eddard would be 1,000,000% predictable, him betraying his one and only friend was not. I agree on that.
So what if Ned acknowledged Stannis ? Maybe he wanted to be King? And if won the war he would've
For you after watching the show trusting Theon is a mistake, but Robb grew up with him so I think he had reasons to trust him
Does anyone else think Robb Stark was an idiot?
Well yes, everyone does. Or so it feels like. The GoT fandom is getting quite monoto… morenous to be honest. Used to be, there was a delightful mix of Baratheon supporters, Stark supporters, Targaryen supports. It was really fun socialising with them all, hearing different views, but now 99.99% of it is some combination of:
* Stannis is the bestest thing evar
* Robb Stark is stupid and deserved to die just like his Mum
* Fuck Daenerys shes a bitch
The whole thing that attracted me to Game of Thrones in the first place, was the fact no-one side or person is wholly in the right, or wholly in the wrong, and it's up to personal interpretation (just like with history). So seeing just the same opinion over and over again, is quite disappointing, and definitely dull.
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He's really, really not though. Everyone loves to blatantly ignore all the things he's done wrong and how horrible he is to people. He's easily the most over-rated character in the series.
Stannis is half a joke to me but he's also the more focused leader to become king. Though melisandre is not a good priestess of the lord of light to heed advice from, he still isn't far off the right track. Now, maybe if Thoros of Myr was on his council instead, they would be doing well and burning less bodies and gaining more support for their claim to the throne. But Stannis is desperate. If the show runners decide to do the right thing and continue his story, it's time for him to redeem himself, and out of all people (besides maybe the Hound) he's fit to do it.
He's really, really not though. Everyone loves to blatantly ignore all the things he's done wrong and how horrible he is to people. He's easily the most over-rated character in the series.
The usurper's brother is the rightful king. Right. Stannis who personally killed his younger brother, because said brother was challenging him for the throne and ordered the death of his daughter. Rob couldn't have known what kind of man Stannis would become, but that's hardly the kind of man I'd support or want for king. I do not admire his ambition one bit.
If Robert was justified for taking power away from the Targaryens (because the king was mad, and abusive with his authority) then why doesn't Rob have just justification for wanting to claim it? After all, wasn't independence from King's landing what the Northeners wanted initially? Since the powers-that-be in Kings landing kept fucking with the Stark family (and the North generally), why wouldn't it make sense to want to defeat them?
Robb dishonored his father by accepting the King of the North deal. His dad held a grudge against Jamie Lannister not because he killed the… more king but because he dared to sit on the iron throne before Robert B arrived to claim it. Ned was all about honor loyalty and the right thing.....although I don't know how aiding the overthrow of the mad king figures into that......still he would not have approved. Anyway what Robb Stark did was treason. Stanis would be the rightful king ....the king that Ned would have supported. When Robb Stark accepted the mantle of King of the North the incest had not even come out, so even if he hated Geoffry, by all appearances Geoff was the rightful king. The story of the incest came out after Ned was executed and after Robb became King, as far as Geoff and everyone else knew...including Robb Stark .... Ned was indeed a traitor and if it were Ned he would have used ice to take off the traitors head. Only peo… [view original content]
From the shows pov, I didn't see the brother connection. Evem Jaime told one of Neds guardsmen (this is the show however) to not trust the k… moreid. I'm just saying Robb didn't have to bend the knee, he just should have respected the rightful heir.
And besides, it would be Vicerys as rightful heir, then Jon. Then Dany. If we're getting technical and calling the Starks what they technically are, usurpers. But then again this whole story wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Roberts rebellion. So stop getting super technical
Show Stannis is a cunt, yes. Stephen Dilane's acting/sexiness is probably his only saving grace. Though in all fairness to him, all of Melisandre's magic has worked (except the leeches, but he doesn't know that) shitty as she may be he has no reason not to trust her.
However, there's no reasonable argument against Book Stannis (the One True Mannis.) He hasn't done anything particularly bad. He's just an introverted and sardonic arsehole. Which is why I like him. He's dedicated and funny (if you read closely) and is severely underrated.
He's really, really not though. Everyone loves to blatantly ignore all the things he's done wrong and how horrible he is to people. He's easily the most over-rated character in the series.
how??? The Starks just wanted to stay in Winterfell, they didnt care for anything south. so when NEd went south he didnt know how deep in shit and corrupted was he was getting in. yes doing the honorable thing got him kill but most of you talk like you would have done better, pretty much almost knowing the outcome, given the circumstances. also i dont see why no one faults that lil bitch in renly. had he stayed and helped ned that shit wouldnt have happened. he could have help ned, but no he wanted to be king. he wanted to the power. fuck renly im glad he is death.
ohhh also in the end Ned wizened the fuck up letting his pride out the window, but no one knew that Joffrey was a crazy, vicious, basard.
Not to mention the biggest Tywin mistakes ever: He didn't realise the potential of his own dwarf son, who despite his short length actually had an intellect more than can be said about his other two idiot children. He doesn't even realise that Cersei's children in fact are Jaime's. With the kind of logic some people use on here a lot of characters would be morons. No, I don't think particulary that he was a major idiot. Sure he made some big fuckups but so did Tywin.
his truly only flaws. the Lannister wouldnt have been shit w/out Tywin. Cercei is a fucking idiot, Jaime doesnt give a fuck, and no one cared for tyrion;s opinion.
now im just basing this on what i saw on the show, im barely in book 2, but the lannisters, im mean everyone in their army are a bunch of fucking morons. i seen them get destroyed, and they were justs a bunch if retards that could only kill by surprise or defenseless people. (only going by the show right now)
Quite ridiculous how many people in here thinks he was a complete idiot. It's the same people who believe that Tywin Lannister was a genius … morewhich he really was not. Tywin lost all the battles against Robb Stark and got completly outmanouvered leading to his son getting capture and in the meanwhile his idiot kid and grandchild chopped off Ned Starks head without Tywin making sure to stop it. He's pretending to be the richest man in Westeros when he in fact is the man with the biggest debts in the entire kingdoms. His knowledge in economy is completly YOLO. In any army that suffers defeat the morale will go very low, so how not more of the westerland lords plotted behind Tywin's back is a miracle and quite unrealistic considering that it was what struck the Northern Army.. Not to mention that he ordered summarize executions of his own innocent soldiers. He also recruited men forcefully.
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One difference I really didn't like between the show and book is Robb's plan for after the wedding at the twins. In the show, he wants to secure the freys and then plans to attack Casterly Rock which is honestly a bone head decision. Especially with the Tyrell's aligning with the Lannisters. In the book however, he comes to realize that he can't keep warring around in the south and plans to march north and root out the ironborn from the north. I believe in the books the first move he intends to make is take Motte Calin. After doing that, he intended to liberate the north from the ironborn and was going to settle down. I really didn't like the whole were gonna take Casterly Rock theme the show ran with.
Does anyone else think Robb Stark was an idiot?
Well yes, everyone does. Or so it feels like. The GoT fandom is getting quite monoto… morenous to be honest. Used to be, there was a delightful mix of Baratheon supporters, Stark supporters, Targaryen supports. It was really fun socialising with them all, hearing different views, but now 99.99% of it is some combination of:
* Stannis is the bestest thing evar
* Robb Stark is stupid and deserved to die just like his Mum
* Fuck Daenerys shes a bitch
The whole thing that attracted me to Game of Thrones in the first place, was the fact no-one side or person is wholly in the right, or wholly in the wrong, and it's up to personal interpretation (just like with history). So seeing just the same opinion over and over again, is quite disappointing, and definitely dull.
Ultimately, Robb Stark is my favourite character. A true northerner who did his best, in the situation he was in, but in … [view original content]
Show Stannis is a cunt, yes. Stephen Dilane's acting/sexiness is probably his only saving grace. Though in all fairness to him, all of Melis… moreandre's magic has worked (except the leeches, but he doesn't know that) shitty as she may be he has no reason not to trust her.
However, there's no reasonable argument against Book Stannis (the One True Mannis.) He hasn't done anything particularly bad. He's just an introverted and sardonic arsehole. Which is why I like him. He's dedicated and funny (if you read closely) and is severely underrated.
Robb and Dany get more praise and have a much larger fan base.
Lol no way. Come to the forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go on any YouTube video, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go to the official show forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
So many Stannis supporters, justify themselves by saying how they're sick of all the overpraise Robb and Daenerys get (which is hilarious irony within itself) but I have to wonder: where did they find this praise? Because, as I said, I visit a lot of Game of Thrones hotspots, and nearly 100% of the time the consensus is always disappointingly the exact same.
Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
lol I didn't read any of the books so I didn't see the red wedding coming at all, and at the time I was really thinking Robb would be able to win the war. So when the red wedding actually happened my mind was just blown and I was pretty upset haha.
On the contrary, his honour his why he married Jeyne/Talisa.
He felt more obligated to marry the woman he slept with over a woman he promised to marry.
Robb and Dany get more praise and have a much larger fan base.
Lol no way. Come to the forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb … moreis stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go on any YouTube video, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go to the official show forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
So many Stannis supporters, justify themselves by saying how they're sick of all the overpraise Robb and Daenerys get (which is hilarious irony within itself) but I have to wonder: where did they find this praise? Because, as I said, I visit a lot of Game of Thrones hotspots, and nearly 100% of the time the consensus is always disappointingly the exact same.
Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
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Well yes, everyone does. Or so it feels like. The GoT fandom is getting quite monotonous to be honest. Used to be, there was a delightful mix of Baratheon supporters, Stark supporters, Targaryen supports. It was really fun socialising with them all, hearing different views, but now 99.99% of it is some combination of:
The whole thing that attracted me to Game of Thrones in the first place, was the fact no-one side or person is wholly in the right, or wholly in the wrong, and it's up to personal interpretation (just like with history). So seeing just the same opinion over and over again, is quite disappointing, and definitely dull.
Ultimately, Robb Stark is my favourite character. A true northerner who did his best, in the situation he was in, but in the end was ill-equipped for the adversary he was up against (the Lannisters) and paid the price. He's not perfect, no, and he made mistakes like anyone else... but this "idiot" was little more than a boy, and yet rallied the entire north together, and won every battle he fought against House Lannister. Until he was betrayed. He deserved better, from both the people around him, and the people in the actual GoT fandom. No, he's not a mastermind like Varys, Littlefinger or Tywin, but anyone who honestly thinks Robb was an idiot, is clearly one themselves.
So there's my opinion :P
So what if Ned acknowledged Stannis ? Maybe he wanted to be King? And if won the war he would've
For you after watching the show trusting Theon is a mistake, but Robb grew up with him so I think he had reasons to trust him
Stannis was the rightful heir, and if the Lord of Winterfell acknowledged it, then so should his house and banner men. They are usurpers for that and if Ned was still around, he wouldn't have allowed it.
And you can have your reasons to trust him, it doesn't make you any less of an idiot.
If you like him that's cool man, I'm not tryna convince you to dislike him, and I hope you aren't trying to convince me to like him. I'm just stating how I feel about the matter,
So your saying he's idiot because he trusted someone who is almost a brother ?
But didn't the Baratheons took the Iron Throne without right? If so Dany is the rightful Queen
i believe ned's stupidest move was not leaving kings landing with his soldiers and the girls when renly made the offer to back him (if he wasn't stupid enough to stay in kings landing because of honor and blood line succession, and don't get me wrong i loved ned, he would have still had his head and renly's forces may have been bolstered by the support of the north -> no demon shadow baby -> a better king sitting on the iron throne than tommen or joffrey)
and i agree with you @jeff07hardy that he wouldn't have known not to trust theon because he didn't really know what greyjoys were really like but @shanegrimes that was probably one of his biggest mistakes (because theon's betrayal set the bolton's plan into action)
but i think he was right to start the war to come to his father's cause and (pre-red wedding / pre-jaime freeing) the war was success for the north as he won every battle he was in & they managed to catch jaime early on in the war
From the shows pov, I didn't see the brother connection. Evem Jaime told one of Neds guardsmen (this is the show however) to not trust the kid. I'm just saying Robb didn't have to bend the knee, he just should have respected the rightful heir.
And besides, it would be Vicerys as rightful heir, then Jon. Then Dany. If we're getting technical and calling the Starks what they technically are, usurpers. But then again this whole story wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Roberts rebellion. So stop getting super technical
I just think that if Ned made it known that he supported Stannis, then in season 5 we would have the Mannis on the Iron Throne. And he would turn his eyes onto the White Walker threat, like everyone else should. He would do right for Westeros, after he burns all the Lannisters down with Casterly Rock
bleh.... i would rather see tommen/joffrey on the throne than stannis - never really liked him (he has no personality, a religious finatic who never wanted to listen to the only voice of reason in his camp *davos, stubborn and goal oriented but breaks at the first sign of controversy *aka as soon as it started to snow he automatically goes to burn his daughter just like he murdered other members of his family)
honestly out of the remaining characters and who i think i would like / is likely to sit on the iron throne, i truly think there shouldn't even be one and that all the 7 kingdoms should just come together for the purpose of defeating the walkers and then go back to ruling themselves because all the possibilities right now imo are shit *the only person i would have reasonably seen ruling the 7 kingdoms and doing a good job of it is tywin (rip
) just out of the main families:
baratheon:
stannis (after careful analysis of that scene and spoiler rumors i, unfortunately, think stannis is still alive) would make a terrible king because of the reasons i listed above
gendry - interesting to see what he might do once he finishes sailing on his boat haha but i don't think he'll come into play in the story anymore
lannister:
cersei, tommen, jaime i think are all going to die before the walkers get there (i saw a rumor about cersei burning down the sept thinking that marg is in there but burning tommen instead by accident and i think something crazy like that would be great for her character)
tyrion - even though i adore him, he even admitted it himself, he will never come close to ruling in westeros ever again after what he did
tyrell:
stark (out of the stark clan the one i'd like to see most is hodor):
arya could give two craps about ruling the kingdoms and i think she is better off just killing every frey she comes across
sansa does have a chance to rule if she fully escapes the boltons and comes back under littlefinger's protection but i really don't enjoy the starks (other than ned and robb) so i wouldn't like to see sansa on the throne
bran / rickon are pretty much irrelevant to me and i could care less about their storylines
jon snow is probably going to be resurrected by melissandre to do azor ahai stuff and won't want to take into the politics of westeros when he's done either
dany (since she's the only targaryen) could possibly rule (if she ever made it to westeros) but imo would make a bad leader because she can't even control a city while she's in it, how is she supposed to control 7 large kingdoms? and also i never liked her ever since she dismissed jorah (after all he's done for her) and more and more elements of her crazy father are starting to show up in her
boltons: their trail of invincibility will eventually stop and ramsay and roose will probably die soon
(two of my favorites but admittedly would be horrible rulers for the iron throne so they should probably die before they have the chance to take it)
littlefinger = the most likely to come out as a ruler of the 7 kingdoms after all is said and done but i just don't like him for all the shit stirring he does and varys's quote is very true, he would burn us all if he could be king of the ashes
varys = probably has no interest in ruling and wants to get as far away from kings landing as possible so will just have fun in essos while everything is going down
reek or yara greyjoy = don't like either of them (so much so that i don't ever recognize the first one by his actual name) so hopefully neither of them will rule and very unlikely that either of them will
robin arryn = probably will die soon because he has been deprived for so long of lysa's breast milk (and good riddance)
anyone in dorne = other than oberyn (rip
) dorne was a disaster so hopefully no one from here gets a lot more screentime then they should in the coming seasons
I'd say his honour made him stupid.
The Targaryens aren't even originally from Westeros. It isn't hers until she takes it.
Robb not bending the knee to Stannis is akin to spitting in Ned's face. Ned raised him to be honourable and always obey the law.
Eddard was willing to execute a child because the king and law required it.
Theon's betrayal isn't something I fault Robb for, though. Theon betraying Eddard would be 1,000,000% predictable, him betraying his one and only friend was not. I agree on that.
Damn straight. This is the only correct viewpoint.
He was blinded by honor and it was stupid enough to get him killed. He could have avoided death so easily if he knew anything about playing the game
He's really, really not though. Everyone loves to blatantly ignore all the things he's done wrong and how horrible he is to people. He's easily the most over-rated character in the series.
Agree, but Robb was worse.
Ned was honored and that was not good in the game.
Robb was stupid and had no honor
She was too emotional. She stupidly captured Tyrion and let Jaime go
Stannis is half a joke to me but he's also the more focused leader to become king. Though melisandre is not a good priestess of the lord of light to heed advice from, he still isn't far off the right track. Now, maybe if Thoros of Myr was on his council instead, they would be doing well and burning less bodies and gaining more support for their claim to the throne. But Stannis is desperate. If the show runners decide to do the right thing and continue his story, it's time for him to redeem himself, and out of all people (besides maybe the Hound) he's fit to do it.
But the dead wrong woman.
Yea cause the game is'nt corrupt and a bit broken or anything like that.... Right.
The usurper's brother is the rightful king. Right. Stannis who personally killed his younger brother, because said brother was challenging him for the throne and ordered the death of his daughter. Rob couldn't have known what kind of man Stannis would become, but that's hardly the kind of man I'd support or want for king. I do not admire his ambition one bit.
If Robert was justified for taking power away from the Targaryens (because the king was mad, and abusive with his authority) then why doesn't Rob have just justification for wanting to claim it? After all, wasn't independence from King's landing what the Northeners wanted initially? Since the powers-that-be in Kings landing kept fucking with the Stark family (and the North generally), why wouldn't it make sense to want to defeat them?
It was never confirmed that Jon is a Targaryen. That's still all speculation.
^ Thank you for reminding me this x3
You're welcome, sweet prince.
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Show Stannis is a cunt, yes. Stephen Dilane's acting/sexiness is probably his only saving grace. Though in all fairness to him, all of Melisandre's magic has worked (except the leeches, but he doesn't know that) shitty as she may be he has no reason not to trust her.
However, there's no reasonable argument against Book Stannis (the One True Mannis.) He hasn't done anything particularly bad. He's just an introverted and sardonic arsehole. Which is why I like him. He's dedicated and funny (if you read closely) and is severely underrated.
how??? The Starks just wanted to stay in Winterfell, they didnt care for anything south. so when NEd went south he didnt know how deep in shit and corrupted was he was getting in. yes doing the honorable thing got him kill but most of you talk like you would have done better, pretty much almost knowing the outcome, given the circumstances. also i dont see why no one faults that lil bitch in renly. had he stayed and helped ned that shit wouldnt have happened. he could have help ned, but no he wanted to be king. he wanted to the power. fuck renly im glad he is death.
ohhh also in the end Ned wizened the fuck up letting his pride out the window, but no one knew that Joffrey was a crazy, vicious, basard.
his truly only flaws. the Lannister wouldnt have been shit w/out Tywin. Cercei is a fucking idiot, Jaime doesnt give a fuck, and no one cared for tyrion;s opinion.
now im just basing this on what i saw on the show, im barely in book 2, but the lannisters, im mean everyone in their army are a bunch of fucking morons. i seen them get destroyed, and they were justs a bunch if retards that could only kill by surprise or defenseless people. (only going by the show right now)
One difference I really didn't like between the show and book is Robb's plan for after the wedding at the twins. In the show, he wants to secure the freys and then plans to attack Casterly Rock which is honestly a bone head decision. Especially with the Tyrell's aligning with the Lannisters. In the book however, he comes to realize that he can't keep warring around in the south and plans to march north and root out the ironborn from the north. I believe in the books the first move he intends to make is take Motte Calin. After doing that, he intended to liberate the north from the ironborn and was going to settle down. I really didn't like the whole were gonna take Casterly Rock theme the show ran with.
If all the Stark fanatics gathered you would be able to conquer the entire world. And a fun fact the war was lost from the beginning for the north.
Underrated? In what way? He gets more praise than nearly every other character.
Ned was *honorable.
Maybe he means underrated in Westeros? Like in-universe, not by the readers.
Robb and Dany get more praise and have a much larger fan base.
Stannis' fanbase is simply a lot more vocal.
On the contrary, his honour his why he married Jeyne/Talisa.
He felt more obligated to marry the woman he slept with over a woman he promised to marry.
Lol no way. Come to the forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go on any YouTube video, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
Go to the official show forums, all I hear is Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
So many Stannis supporters, justify themselves by saying how they're sick of all the overpraise Robb and Daenerys get (which is hilarious irony within itself) but I have to wonder: where did they find this praise? Because, as I said, I visit a lot of Game of Thrones hotspots, and nearly 100% of the time the consensus is always disappointingly the exact same.
Stannis is great, Robb is stupid, Daenerys is a bitch.
lol I didn't read any of the books so I didn't see the red wedding coming at all, and at the time I was really thinking Robb would be able to win the war. So when the red wedding actually happened my mind was just blown and I was pretty upset haha.
That is a POV that I did not take in consideration.
There is literally no chance he isn't Targaryen.