Anyone else liked All out war?
Sometimes i feel like i'm the only twd fan who liked the story arc all out war. Almost everyone else i have seen online has complained about it being pointless and being the samething as before (Really?). And almost everyone disagrees with me on the ending wich i thought was not only good but it developed the characters to a natural point.
It makes me paranoid to how show fans will react to it (and i think that's why they made Morgan nonlethal)
So i was just wodering. Do any of you LIKE All out war?
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Nobody?
I haven't gotten that far in the comic. I'm nowhere near that close. I just keep hearing that All-Out War was terrible. But who knows? Maybe its underrated.
I liked it, it was well written and the ending compleatly unexpected but made sense (at least in my opinion)
Huh i literally hear nothing but praise towards it
OH GOD YES. WHERE? PLEASE TELL ME!
Maybe i went to the wrong sites.
The walking dead forums and wiki had a bunch of people who liked it. Also what does it matter if others liked it or not the only opinion that should matter is your own:)
Still it felt lonely. And its hard to feel good about liking something when all you see is hate. THANK YOU!!
I have the same problem with gotham:(
I liked it, but I wanted Negan to die. I felt a bit disappointed by the ending, just that.
I LOVE Gotham
Well there were four main reasons for that. Two in the comic and two kirkman said himself.
First Rick wants to restart civilisation. He wants to keep Negan as a symbol that problems can be solved without killing.
Second Kirkman didn't want a governor repeat Negan would have been that if he was killed off.
Third Kirkman LOVES Negan and feels theres way more story stuff he can do with him.
And fourth In issue 141 Negan reveals that he thinks Rick spared him to prove he had some humanity left. Thew argument is so good Rick begins to question himself.
So yeah that's why Negan lived.
Yeah, I know it's a nice twist and all, but still I think he wants revenge. He may help Rick for now against the Whisperers, but in the end, I think he's too far gone to be redeemed and he will want blood. Then again, I might be wrong, which I hope.
I know it will
i just hope it dosn't get hate
I think a lot of people just had a problem with the fact that, despite being called All Out War, the war wasn't exactly "all out" for a lot of people.
The first half of it was mainly build-up, which is fine (and was overall incredibly solid), but the second part didn't really feel like the stakes were all that high. No major character deaths or anything, and the overall impact of the war, in terms of scope, didn't feel that severe or game-changing as a lot of the hype and promo material were making it out to be. Made to Suffer is infamous for pretty much everyone due to it completely throwing the game on it's head: half of the main group, many of which have been around since the beginning are dead, the primary location for the past ~30 issues abandoned, the primary antagonist meeting his end, all of which bring about heavy changes to character dynamics and the direction of the development of every surviving character going forward.
All Out War, for all that hype, didn't feel like it brought that much to the table in comparison. Not many major character deaths, depending on your definition of 'major' I suppose. The three headlining deaths I can think of are Nicholas, Denise and Eric. Denise and Eric's deaths affect both Heath and Aaron respectively and make way for more development for both, Nicholas is the third longest-lasting Alexandrian behind Heath and Aaron, Maggie takes the reigns and becomes the leader of the Hilltop, Eugene really starts to grow as a character and find his place in the world, and that's the most major notable changes for most people. There's no significant damage to our groups or their dynamics. Alexandria gets bombed out, but it's salvaged and mostly in good enough shape to return to, and the Hilltop gets some of it's walls rammed down, but they're blocked off and patched up without much issue.
A lot of people just don't feel that AOW lived up to the hype, pretty much. For all the build-up, the temporary new release schedule, the 12-issue super-arc, a lot of people felt it wasted those elements, or just didn't use them to their advantage as well as they could have. A lot of people were expecting Made to Suffer x2, and they ended up getting something a bit different than they bargained for, which paved the way for disappointment.
I'd like to just mention though, that I personally liked AOW a lot. The above thoughts aren't really my own, but mainly my guesses as to what most people found faults with in particular. I personally give Kirkman credit for not retreading the same ground or trying too hard to recreate Made To Suffer, and I found the building up, the pay-off, and the resolution/ending of AOW to be satisfying enough. I mean, Negan's pretty much one the comic's best characters anyways, so any excuse to keep him alive is fine by me. And I feel that some people really do undervalue some of the good parts of this entire arc. Eugene's character growth in particular stands out, as well as Dwight's role in the story, becoming this rather interesting, morally-gray character. Maggie becoming a de-facto leader during the war, ultimately leading in to her becoming the leader of Hilltop. Ezekiel being forced to play a role that he really isn't built for, and the damage that both his community and he himself suffer as a result of it. And above that, the fact that we're seeing a 'war' of this magnitude. I mean sure, the Prison Vs Woodbury is one thing, but that is still nowhere near the caliber of AOW. Prison vs Woobury is, what, 10 or so people squaring off against ~20? Meanwhile, AOW is three communities worth of survivors, totaling to ~250 people, well-seasoned and used to the apocalypse by this point, squaring off against a rival community led by a man who, strategically speaking, is one of the most intelligent characters of the series (can we take a minute to note how good of a strategist Negan is? He's being hammered by three other communities that have joined together to take him down, and he still manages to hold his own and put up one hell of a fight in the process. He might be known primarily as that crazy, funny guy that swears a lot, but there's a lot more to him than that. A lot more than people give him credit for.)
I mean sure, statistically speaking, we didn't have as many major character deaths during AOW, but the actual scope of the fighting, and the exact nature of the war are what sets it apart. You have large groups/communities of people undertaking these thought-out plans of attack against one another, trying to outsmart the other, sabotage the others' plans, and so forth. It's a much more complex and collaborative fight than any we've seen before up to this point.
I fully agree