I want to butt in with one small tidbit of information here: Wellington is actually just the name of the company that the shipping container… mores come from. There's a chance that it's not even in Michigan, Ohio, or anywhere in particular for that matter. Hell, it could be a couple miles north of wherever the hell they were by episode 4. Of course, that's not exactly any better than the other locations, since it means that it's a deliberately vague location that can be conveniently ret-conned to be located wherever the writers want it to be, but yeah.
All of the shipping containers have the logo "Wellington Global Shipping" on them, which indicates that it isn't just a location they're being shipped to.
Lol, thanks Deltino, for the random trivia. XD
Are you sure though that it's the name of the company? Or are the containers just shipped from some place named Wellington somewhere?
So lucky and convenient they found that after the big confrontation with Jane then. If they had found that map, then I doubt Jane would've ever started a plan to take Kenny out, and she wouldn't be dead at all.
Finding a map in what appeared to be a tourist information center? You're right, that's far too unbelievable. Also, this may just be me, but I personally think it would have been a lot more "lucky and convenient" if they had found the map before Kenny had essentially murdered Jane.
That said, I agree that from the perspective of the other characters, Kenny was trying to lead them on a suicide mission. I was never debating that. In your first post, however, you basically stated that Kenny was relying entirely on dumb luck, and there was absolutely no way they would have stumbled upon Wellington, whereas I can think of plenty of ways in which Kenny and Clem would have been able to find the town.
That doesn't mean he and Clem couldn't have found a map during the nine days they were on the road together. Hell, the Rest Stop he and Jane… more fought at may very well have had a selection of road maps he and Clem could have used to find Wellington.
So lucky and convenient they found that after the big confrontation with Jane then. If they had found that map, then I doubt Jane would've ever started a plan to take Kenny out, and she wouldn't be dead at all. The main reason she decided to put a stop to Kenny was because he was driving them all on what should've been depicted as a suicide mission, after all.
Sorry, but that's just a cop-out to me. I'm just tired of Kenny's explanation of being able to survive the apocalypse to be, "I'm just really lucky, and no one else is!" while everyone else around him, who should be more likely to survive because they frankly aren't as foolish, dies instead. Kenny should've died 1) in the herd at the… [view original content]
willing to sacrifice writing quality, as well as demonising every other character who challenges his logic
Agreed, totally, with everything, but mostly this. That's happened with a lot of characters, but personally I'm most saddened that they felt the need to demonize and lower Jane to Kenny's level of douchebaggery just to make it an "equal decision," because I'm convinced that's what they were doing with the baby plan. I just wish Telltale had rather made the decision to be us choosing between two people we really care for, rather than two hate-worthy people. E.g. choosing between your mom or your dad--that's a decision that should be incredibly difficult and heartbreaking, and most people can't make a decision like that. However choosing between two people you can't stand, so much so that you have the option to choose neither of them? That's not a good decision for a game like this.
I may love Jane's character, but I know that she still fucked up. I forgive her even though others don't, but it just really bugs me how far they'd let her fall to have the decision unfold as it did.
It's a little sad knowing that the writing made Kenny always appear in the right regardless of how the odds are against his plan in succeedi… moreng when following trains of logic, to the point where you suspect that the writers were that much in love with him that the were willing to sacrifice writing quality, as well as demonising every other character who challenges his logic, just to ensure that Kenny succeeded in his mother-of-all brainless plans.
Clem sewed her own arm. She agreed to help him. Apocalypse! Boom! Thnigs change! She is the definition of a badass. Also I could say what you said about every person Clem met.
It does not change the fact that he risked a little girl, the opposite, he had to send a grown man he did not know, than to endanger his old friend, 11-year-old!
...Or maybe it's the location they're being shipped from? I wonder if there's some sort of factory behind Wellington's walls that they've modified into a civilization perhaps, hm.
All of the shipping containers have the logo "Wellington Global Shipping" on them, which indicates that it isn't just a location they're being shipped to.
And what Lee was doing? He would not have sent such missions Clementine, where she could die. He treats her like she was his own daughter, d… moreo not forget it while walking dead are in place, it having a baby, would not cause him to stop and take care of Clementine. He understood that she was a little girl and was not threatening her. He cleans her blood and takes care of her like a father. I miss him ...
Funnily enough, that's exactly how I envisioned Wellington to look. I imagine this camp built on the grounds of a shipping company, using gutted and modified shipping containers as housing/protection.
...Or maybe it's the location they're being shipped from? I wonder if there's some sort of factory behind Wellington's walls that they've modified into a civilization perhaps, hm.
Kenny endanger countless times over the 11-year-old Clementine. He relies on it too much, it's so silly. Instead of giving Mike the radio, h… moree gave the little girl you perform the task, she could get caught and die. Kenny all day around AJ, he forgot Clementine! "The protection of AJ" It's always what he said. Clementine did not feel jealousy, that is my delight mature, but still ... he forgot the child in many cases life-threatening, it's fucking a girl of 11. Kenny, what's your problem? She did not at your age, she could be your daughter. (Is the age of the duck) and most annoying, it stimulates her and Sarita tells him not to do it. She got pretty deep scratch when she wanted to protect the nests, he did not care. She even cleaned the blood. What's your problem, people ?!
And what Lee was doing? He would not have sent such missions Clementine, where she could die. He treats her like she was his own daughter, d… moreo not forget it while walking dead are in place, it having a baby, would not cause him to stop and take care of Clementine. He understood that she was a little girl and was not threatening her. He cleans her blood and takes care of her like a father. I miss him ...
I think the writers did an amazing job during the second season, as did the voice cast.
I liked how they made Carver the outspoken villain of Season two, and how they made Jane "the Devil beside you" type of villain.
I think the writers really explored the facets of human psychology well, through Kenny's character.
Here was a man who was hurting, due to the loss he had experienced both in S1 and S2.
Who was scared, and demonstrated that through an ill temper.
But who was also loyal, protective, and at many times selfless.
Kenny is a complicated person.
In fact, someone once told me: "Don't try to figure people out to much, as we are ALL complicated."
I would say that Kenny cared for Clementine like his own daughter.
What about the time in the meat locker, where Lee sent Clementine through the air-duct?
It was dangerous, and she could've gotten killed if caught by the St. John's.
Yet, Lee entrusted her with the assignment.
That and the fact that she was there only hope!
And what Lee was doing? He would not have sent such missions Clementine, where she could die. He treats her like she was his own daughter, d… moreo not forget it while walking dead are in place, it having a baby, would not cause him to stop and take care of Clementine. He understood that she was a little girl and was not threatening her. He cleans her blood and takes care of her like a father. I miss him ...
I think the writers did an amazing job during the second season, as did the voice cast.
I liked how they made Carver the outspoken villain … moreof Season two, and how they made Jane "the Devil beside you" type of villain.
I think the writers really explored the facets of human psychology well, through Kenny's character.
Here was a man who was hurting, due to the loss he had experienced both in S1 and S2.
Who was scared, and demonstrated that through an ill temper.
But who was also loyal, protective, and at many times selfless.
Kenny is a complicated person.
In fact, someone once told me: "Don't try to figure people out to much, as we are ALL complicated."
I would say that Kenny cared for Clementine like his own daughter.
When can you tell a thread will get divisive and argumentative? Put Kenny's name in it.
But whether you liked him or ostracized him during the second season, he is still willing to sacrifice himself for you and AJ. It's one of the most beautifully written scenes in either seasons of The Walking Dead and is easily the most noble thing any character has done for another. It's so heartfelt and genuine that it even stands out in a game full of heart breaking and traumatizing moments. That level of selflessness is the exact thing Lee would've done if he was there and he would've been proud of Kenny because of it.
So yes, he does care for Clem as Lee did. And if someone says he doesn't then they most likely shot him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Their loss in my opinion.
Kenny's heart is in the right place and he'd sure as hell try his best. But even Kenny himself realizes that he's a man with demons and could very well be a danger to himself and others.
And what Lee was doing? He would not have sent such missions Clementine, where she could die. He treats her like she was his own daughter, d… moreo not forget it while walking dead are in place, it having a baby, would not cause him to stop and take care of Clementine. He understood that she was a little girl and was not threatening her. He cleans her blood and takes care of her like a father. I miss him ...
Many characters in Season 1 was considerate towards Clementine wellbeing and were hesitant to have Clementine risk her life to save them, as shown by their behaviour when she travelled through the ducts in the meat locker.
This was the opportunity that only Clementine could do due to her size, and the time to have her unlock the door to free everyone was rather brief. Afterwards she was rarely asked to risk her life to help everyone again. She may have been caught, but there was no other person that could have done the deed at the time because no-one else could have gone through the ducts as easily as Clementine did, and even then everyone was clearly uncomfortable with sending a child out alone to help rescue them.
Kenny in Season 2 however forces her to take the walkie-talkie regardless of what Clementine wanted, and deliberately planted incriminating evidence on her without considering that Clementine could have been caught when smuggling the radio by either Troy or Bonnie. Had Kenny not been around once Clementine was found out, he wouldn't be able to protect her for putting her in the same danger that he put her in on purpose.
The difference is that we're supposed to believe that only a child could have help smuggle the radio, but at the time there was another person (Mike) who was offering to take the radio in Clementine's place, but got turned down for not being trustworthy enough when he did nothing to betray anyone's trust at the time. Instead, Kenny trusts a child to risk their life to smuggle a radio instead of an adult who could have easily done the same, if not more. When Clementine says she doesn't want to do it, Kenny wouldn't take no for an answer.
Unlike Season 1, there was little evidence to suggest that a child was needed to help break everyone out when an adult could have easily done the same. Instead the majority of the adults, including Kenny, were all too eager to have Clementine do the dirty work without much consideration for a child being caught smuggling a radio or sneaking around in places she shouldn't be, and never considers sending an adult in her place to carry out their plans in her place.
What about the time in the meat locker, where Lee sent Clementine through the air-duct?
It was dangerous, and she could've gotten killed if… more caught by the St. John's.
Yet, Lee entrusted her with the assignment.
That and the fact that she was there only hope!
What Kenny did was no different.
I think he already does. But he really started to lode track of things, you know? Losing Sarita pushed him off the edge. If you don't kill him and you let Jane die, then the ending shows he really does care about you, very similar to how Lee did.
Honestly, I haven't finished season two yet. I am up to the bit where Kenny and Clementine meet up to the shack in the blizzard and Jane has AJ.
I'm not sure which ending to choose. Smh
I think you meant to write divisive. To be decisive means that you make your decisions quickly and confidently.
Kenny showed aspects of being bipolar throughout the game. He was often hot-headed and lashed out inappropriately. For instance, putting the blame on Clem for Sarita's inability to keep her shit together while walking through the zombie hoard. Sarita panicked, drew attention to herself, got bitten. Clem tries to help when she catches up to Sarita, but nothing can be done. Kenny responds by attacking Clem. Classy move Kenny.
When can you tell a thread will get divisive and argumentative? Put Kenny's name in it.
But whether you liked him or ostracized him durin… moreg the second season, he is still willing to sacrifice himself for you and AJ. It's one of the most beautifully written scenes in either seasons of The Walking Dead and is easily the most noble thing any character has done for another. It's so heartfelt and genuine that it even stands out in a game full of heart breaking and traumatizing moments. That level of selflessness is the exact thing Lee would've done if he was there and he would've been proud of Kenny because of it.
So yes, he does care for Clem as Lee did. And if someone says he doesn't then they most likely shot him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Their loss in my opinion.
And I'm by no means calling Kenny perfect because nobody is perfect. I completely agree he shouldn't have lashed out on Clem especially if you don't cut her arm off. Also Sarita didn't lose it at all, she was just killing walkers as did Bonnie after Sarah started screaming. They were both trying to protect Sarah but Sarita got bit in the process.
I think you meant to write divisive. To be decisive means that you make your decisions quickly and confidently.
Kenny showed aspects of b… moreeing bipolar throughout the game. He was often hot-headed and lashed out inappropriately. For instance, putting the blame on Clem for Sarita's inability to keep her shit together while walking through the zombie hoard. Sarita panicked, drew attention to herself, got bitten. Clem tries to help when she catches up to Sarita, but nothing can be done. Kenny responds by attacking Clem. Classy move Kenny.
Think about it. Lee taught her to survive, but it was Kenny who got her to SAFETY. Lee's role was to prepare Clem for the new world, and Kenny's was to get her to some place safe. But seriously, imagine if Kenny found Clem in season 1 instead of Lee. Actually.....MAKE THIS DLC. An alternative season 1 or a what if scenario. What if Kenny found Clem first. What if Lee didn't get bit or they didn't find Omid and Christa. What if season 2 never happened.
Looking at it rationally. Lee can keep a cool head in a situation. Kenny loses his shit.
Lee saved her life. There wouldnt be a Clem if he didnt walk through a herd of zombies while he was already dying to get to her. I cant even imagine Kenny doing that.
Think about it. Lee taught her to survive, but it was Kenny who got her to SAFETY. Lee's role was to prepare Clem for the new world, and Ke… morenny's was to get her to some place safe. But seriously, imagine if Kenny found Clem in season 1 instead of Lee. Actually.....MAKE THIS DLC. An alternative season 1 or a what if scenario. What if Kenny found Clem first. What if Lee didn't get bit or they didn't find Omid and Christa. What if season 2 never happened.
Looking at it rationally. Lee can keep a cool head in a situation. Kenny loses his shit.
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Lol, thanks Deltino, for the random trivia. XD
Are you sure though that it's the name of the company? Or are the containers just shipped from some place named Wellington somewhere?
All of the shipping containers have the logo "Wellington Global Shipping" on them, which indicates that it isn't just a location they're being shipped to.
Finding a map in what appeared to be a tourist information center? You're right, that's far too unbelievable. Also, this may just be me, but I personally think it would have been a lot more "lucky and convenient" if they had found the map before Kenny had essentially murdered Jane.
That said, I agree that from the perspective of the other characters, Kenny was trying to lead them on a suicide mission. I was never debating that. In your first post, however, you basically stated that Kenny was relying entirely on dumb luck, and there was absolutely no way they would have stumbled upon Wellington, whereas I can think of plenty of ways in which Kenny and Clem would have been able to find the town.
Agreed, totally, with everything, but mostly this. That's happened with a lot of characters, but personally I'm most saddened that they felt the need to demonize and lower Jane to Kenny's level of douchebaggery just to make it an "equal decision," because I'm convinced that's what they were doing with the baby plan. I just wish Telltale had rather made the decision to be us choosing between two people we really care for, rather than two hate-worthy people. E.g. choosing between your mom or your dad--that's a decision that should be incredibly difficult and heartbreaking, and most people can't make a decision like that. However choosing between two people you can't stand, so much so that you have the option to choose neither of them? That's not a good decision for a game like this.
I may love Jane's character, but I know that she still fucked up. I forgive her even though others don't, but it just really bugs me how far they'd let her fall to have the decision unfold as it did.
Clem sewed her own arm. She agreed to help him. Apocalypse! Boom! Thnigs change! She is the definition of a badass. Also I could say what you said about every person Clem met.
...Or maybe it's the location they're being shipped from? I wonder if there's some sort of factory behind Wellington's walls that they've modified into a civilization perhaps, hm.
cough St. John's cough
Funnily enough, that's exactly how I envisioned Wellington to look. I imagine this camp built on the grounds of a shipping company, using gutted and modified shipping containers as housing/protection.
What do you expect Mike to do? He would have been easily caught by Troy cause he had work to do
cough Crawford, Luke bridge, Jane trailer park cough
I think the writers did an amazing job during the second season, as did the voice cast.
I liked how they made Carver the outspoken villain of Season two, and how they made Jane "the Devil beside you" type of villain.
I think the writers really explored the facets of human psychology well, through Kenny's character.
Here was a man who was hurting, due to the loss he had experienced both in S1 and S2.
Who was scared, and demonstrated that through an ill temper.
But who was also loyal, protective, and at many times selfless.
Kenny is a complicated person.
In fact, someone once told me: "Don't try to figure people out to much, as we are ALL complicated."
I would say that Kenny cared for Clementine like his own daughter.
What about the time in the meat locker, where Lee sent Clementine through the air-duct?
It was dangerous, and she could've gotten killed if caught by the St. John's.
Yet, Lee entrusted her with the assignment.
That and the fact that she was there only hope!
What Kenny did was no different.
When can you tell a thread will get divisive and argumentative? Put Kenny's name in it.
But whether you liked him or ostracized him during the second season, he is still willing to sacrifice himself for you and AJ. It's one of the most beautifully written scenes in either seasons of The Walking Dead and is easily the most noble thing any character has done for another. It's so heartfelt and genuine that it even stands out in a game full of heart breaking and traumatizing moments. That level of selflessness is the exact thing Lee would've done if he was there and he would've been proud of Kenny because of it.
So yes, he does care for Clem as Lee did. And if someone says he doesn't then they most likely shot him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Their loss in my opinion.
SURE WHY NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MATHEMATICAL MEASUREMENT OF CARING-NESS. SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT I'D LIKE TO JUMP ONTO THE TREND.
Kenny's heart is in the right place and he'd sure as hell try his best. But even Kenny himself realizes that he's a man with demons and could very well be a danger to himself and others.
So I'm gonna say...no.
No, since Lee and Kenny are both two very different people. But, in saying that, I believe Kenny can do just as good a job.
Kenny gave Clem a job to do instead of coddling her? The monster...
Kenny cares about Clementine, obviously.
But the amount of love he has for her isn't the same as Lee. I mean, Lee crossed a herd of walkers and tore across Savannah to get to Clem.
Surely you're capable of disagreeing me without replying with gifs/images of characters surrounded by question marks.
It was more of a reaction than a disagreement, but fine. I'll use my words.
Ahem,
no.
I doubt that.
Many characters in Season 1 was considerate towards Clementine wellbeing and were hesitant to have Clementine risk her life to save them, as shown by their behaviour when she travelled through the ducts in the meat locker.
This was the opportunity that only Clementine could do due to her size, and the time to have her unlock the door to free everyone was rather brief. Afterwards she was rarely asked to risk her life to help everyone again. She may have been caught, but there was no other person that could have done the deed at the time because no-one else could have gone through the ducts as easily as Clementine did, and even then everyone was clearly uncomfortable with sending a child out alone to help rescue them.
Kenny in Season 2 however forces her to take the walkie-talkie regardless of what Clementine wanted, and deliberately planted incriminating evidence on her without considering that Clementine could have been caught when smuggling the radio by either Troy or Bonnie. Had Kenny not been around once Clementine was found out, he wouldn't be able to protect her for putting her in the same danger that he put her in on purpose.
The difference is that we're supposed to believe that only a child could have help smuggle the radio, but at the time there was another person (Mike) who was offering to take the radio in Clementine's place, but got turned down for not being trustworthy enough when he did nothing to betray anyone's trust at the time. Instead, Kenny trusts a child to risk their life to smuggle a radio instead of an adult who could have easily done the same, if not more. When Clementine says she doesn't want to do it, Kenny wouldn't take no for an answer.
Unlike Season 1, there was little evidence to suggest that a child was needed to help break everyone out when an adult could have easily done the same. Instead the majority of the adults, including Kenny, were all too eager to have Clementine do the dirty work without much consideration for a child being caught smuggling a radio or sneaking around in places she shouldn't be, and never considers sending an adult in her place to carry out their plans in her place.
I think he already does. But he really started to lode track of things, you know? Losing Sarita pushed him off the edge. If you don't kill him and you let Jane die, then the ending shows he really does care about you, very similar to how Lee did.
Honestly, I haven't finished season two yet. I am up to the bit where Kenny and Clementine meet up to the shack in the blizzard and Jane has AJ.
I'm not sure which ending to choose. Smh
I remember my Lee laying there with a door on top of him and Kenny ready to take off.That was just the beginning.
You have a disease it's called caps lock
I would say Kenny cares for Clem just as much as Lee does. Clem and AJ are all he has left, he would die for them.
I think you meant to write divisive. To be decisive means that you make your decisions quickly and confidently.
Kenny showed aspects of being bipolar throughout the game. He was often hot-headed and lashed out inappropriately. For instance, putting the blame on Clem for Sarita's inability to keep her shit together while walking through the zombie hoard. Sarita panicked, drew attention to herself, got bitten. Clem tries to help when she catches up to Sarita, but nothing can be done. Kenny responds by attacking Clem. Classy move Kenny.
You're right, thanks. Fixed it.
And I'm by no means calling Kenny perfect because nobody is perfect. I completely agree he shouldn't have lashed out on Clem especially if you don't cut her arm off. Also Sarita didn't lose it at all, she was just killing walkers as did Bonnie after Sarah started screaming. They were both trying to protect Sarah but Sarita got bit in the process.
I think he could and will. he is a mature person and knows what decisions are to be made.
he got her to Wellington didn't he? What did Lee do?
I know you're joking. You must be.
Think about it. Lee taught her to survive, but it was Kenny who got her to SAFETY. Lee's role was to prepare Clem for the new world, and Kenny's was to get her to some place safe. But seriously, imagine if Kenny found Clem in season 1 instead of Lee. Actually.....MAKE THIS DLC. An alternative season 1 or a what if scenario. What if Kenny found Clem first. What if Lee didn't get bit or they didn't find Omid and Christa. What if season 2 never happened.
Looking at it rationally. Lee can keep a cool head in a situation. Kenny loses his shit.
White people think Kenny can care for Clem the way Lee did because Lee is black and Kenny is white. Kenny was not a good person, Lee was.
Not in the same way, but I'm sure Kenny will try his best. Hopefully Telltale won't punish us too much for staying with him.
Lee saved her life. There wouldnt be a Clem if he didnt walk through a herd of zombies while he was already dying to get to her. I cant even imagine Kenny doing that.
I fail to see how race applies here...
season 1 kenny yes, but season 2 ... that's impossible... he's not emotionally stabled.. well ignore my weird answer hahah x'D
DON'T QUESTION HIM!!! XD