Could Sarah have survived?
I think Sarah could have lived if jane had actually tried and lifted it.Granted Sarah was panicking due to her mental illness,but maybe if luke had gone down there and helped pull her out,Sarah could have lived
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I don't see why they couldn't just use the walker guts again.
what do you mean?
Walker guts kept them hidden before, why couldn't they use the same trick again? Why wasn't Sarah still covered in walker guts to begin with? If she'd been suffering from a mental breakdown and had been running the whole way to where she ended up, I can't see her having time to wash it all off unless she felt dirty. Her crying still drew the dead to her but that's not the point.
How many walkers were there at the motor home place, maybe 20 or so? Nothing as big as the herd from before. Jane and Clem could've coated up in guts again, and done some stealth kills and gotten rid of most, if all of them. And why when the car horn stopped going off didn't they just go back and put pressure on the horn again, instead of putting themselves in more of a dangerous situation? Better yet, even if they didn't go back to use the horn again, it still would've made sense to have been covered in walker guts so the dead didn't instantly go backing them into a corner. Also it can't be said that they didn't have any corpses around to use, they down about 6 walkers in the area by that point. For Clem and Jane who've seemingly used this tactic more than once before, why didn't they use it then? Or what about cowcatcher thing?
In those circumstances, there's a lot of ways Sarah could've survived easy.
[Edit] ah, I read it wrong sorry. I thought you meant the first death by how you'd written. But second one is still preventable if a few others had bothered to go down and help. The second death just seemed like a cheap way to get rid of her, really unnecessary.
Of course she could have. But dumbasses forgot to shoot the walkers and go help Jane lift the woods
you cant just cover yourself in walker guts.you have to act like a walker.she was panicking and making too much noise for the walkers to think she was a walker
well i dont blame kenny.he was helping rebecca.the others were just standing there and left the bitch(aka jane) to "help" sarah
Why would I say Kenny and Rebecca lol? Mike, Bonnie and Luke completely forgot they had ammo. Also Jane and Luke completely forgot Rebecca was giving birth when they were "making out"
Sarah's second death would've been the perfect payoff for teaching Sarah to use a gun in the second episode. I'm pretty sure Sarah still had use of her arms even though her body was pinned under the deck. Clementine could've tossed her down a gun, shouted something along the lines of "Remember what I showed you back at the cabin", and Sarah could've covered herself long enough for Jane to clear the rubble and get her to safety.
Hell, Clem wouldn't even have needed to toss a gun down to her. When Jane disarmed Arvo, they made a specific point of showing her dropping his revolver to the deck after he left the scene. The gun could have fallen next to Sarah in the wreckage. They had a literal Chekhov's Gun, and they squandered it for yet another "shocking" death scene.
Good one, mate
Exactly what i thought. wish telltale gave their characters abit more "freedom"
Why? Because it's Amid The Ruins! Eh? Am I right? Am I right?
--you know?
...b-because no one likes Amid The Ruins?
I just want to know why the hell Bonnie and Luke didn't keep shooting? And why the hell didn't anyone actually help Jane out? Bonnie could've kept shooting while Mike or Luke went down to help Jane. Sarah had so much potential and her death was clearly rushed. I wanted to see her become hardened. Carlos dying meant nothing now. I believe she could've survived, but I guess Telltale wanted us to know that you can't save everyone.
Nobody can be saved from shitty writing, sadly enough.
i think if everybody tried to help she may have survived, but others could have gotten hurt, and after that she would have just been a burden to the group and gotten herself in danger or killed some other way.
in the back of their minds i bet everybody thought "this is for the best" while she died
Everybody's a burden to the group at some point. Luke was a burden to the group while his leg was shot. Rebecca was a burden to the group was she was pregnant and immediately after she gave birth (for all of season two, basically). Kenny was a burden anytime he let his emotions get the better of him (which, again, was ALL THE DAMN TIME). AJ would certainly have ended up being a liability to the group for the first few years of his life.
Hell, even Clementine could have been considered a major burden from the perspective of the adults in the first season. She ate their food. She couldn't help fight zombies or contribute to any of the heavy lifting. The adults would have needed somebody to keep an eye on her when that person would have been better served looking after themselves. And she was an easy hostage target for people like the St. John's. None of that stopped Lee and the other adults from doing everything in their power to make sure Clementine was kept safe, however. Eventually, they looked after her long enough for her to grow into an extremely competent survivor in her own right.
The only way to avoid people who are "burdens" is to avoid people all together, like Jane attempted. And if you go that route, eventually your luck'll run our and you'll twist your ankle or catch pneumonia and end up being a burden to yourself. And because you've chosen to go on your own, you've got no one to help you.
Also, no, I don't believe the people in Sarah's group were thinking "this is for the best" while she died, because I don't believe the people in Sarah's group were complete fucking assholes.
she's dead, Jim.
there are burdens and there are BURDENS sarah was the latter, as you demonstrated you can contrive anybody into seeming like a burden, but let's be honest sarah was hopeless, TWD isn't a disney film where people like that grow into heroes, TWD is a story of survival of the fittest and sarah was by far the weakest of the group, and that is saying a lot when her group also had a pregnant lady a big fat guy and an 11 year old.
your whole defence of her is rubbish, "Everybody's a burden to the group" "The only way to avoid people who are "burdens" is to avoid people all together" that is just utter garbage, her own dad knew how hopeless she was, and people like her would get other people killed, groups are strong, but they are only as strong as their weakest link, and sarah was by far the weakest character in TWD.
they wouldn't be thinking "this is for the best" because they "were complete fucking assholes" but because although it may be sad, it is one less burden and danger to the group, everybody has some pragmatism in them, especially when it comes to a basic instinct like survival,
Ah so Aj didn't kill anybody, huh? He is the reason Kenny can die. If Rebecca was never pregnant, everything would have been ok. Sarah wouldn't have died, Luke wouldn't have died and Kenny wouldn't too
What a pointless answer
I believe that would be AJ, considering that he's a baby with no sense of self defense whatsoever.
And Sarah may not have been a strong survivor compared to most, but she's far from a burden. Nothing she does holds the group back from survival whatsoever, and her actions never gets anyone needlessly killed.
There are plenty of other people who are worse than Sarah when it comes to risking peoples lives as well as their own:
As for Sarah's own actions, all's she guilty for is freaking out over her father's death, which she cannot be blamed for due to how the entire group agreed to the idea of barging through a walker herd to escape immediately, as opposed to waiting for a better opportunity without risking everyone's lives just to get out now.
Compared to everyone else, Sarah is far from a burden that most make her out to be.
Hell yeah Sarah could have easily survived. If in the first place, she wasn't pointlessly standing out on the open deck. Like seriously, go inside Sarah what are you even doing out there. If Luke shot more than two walkers. If maybe he jumped down to help lift the rubble. If maybe we taught Sarah to shoot so she could defend herself momentarily while Luke and Jane lifted it...oh that's right WE COULD HAVE TAUGHT HER HOW. And quite pointless in even teaching her to shoot as it has no impact despite the golden opportunity right in Ep. 4.
Nice!! XD
I fail to see how any of the examples I gave were contrived, but let's go through them one by one:
Luke's gimpy leg slowed him down to the extent that he couldn't even walk by himself. He needed to stop and rest at least once (that we saw), basically forcing the rest of the group to sit around twiddling their thumbs while Luke recuperated. Has luck would have it, the group was alone during this journey, but had they been pursued by any serious amount of walkers (perhaps attracted by the gunfire at the beginning of the episode), his bullet wound would likely have had dire consequences for everyone involved. His injury also led to him being unable to extract himself from the broken ice on the lake, which, depending on the player's choices, could lead to the death of Bonnie. All of this makes Luke a burden in my book, but I still wish we could've saved him.
Even before she gave birth, Rebecca slowed the group as a whole. She needed to stop and rest at least once (that we saw) during their trek from the cabin to the mountains of Virginia. One could easily make the argument that this was the reason Carver was able to catch up with the group at the Moonstar Lodge. In fact, it's all but spelled out in the game that Rebecca's baby was the reason Carver was pursuing the group in the first place. After escaping from Howe's, Rebecca needed both Jane and Clementine to help her navigate the hoard, thus putting two people who would have had NO trouble escaping the hoard on their own in unnecessary danger. Once they did make it to Parker's Run (slowly, of course. Can't walk too fast with a pregnant lady in tow), instead of finding supplies that would benefit the group as a whole, or putting as much distance between themselves and Howe's as possible, the group was forced to expend time and energy searching for blankets and a safe place for Rebecca to give birth. And when she did give birth, the group was forced to stay in one location until she and the baby could be moved, putting everybody in danger and forcing the group to expend precious ammunition fighting walkers that they would have been better off just running from. Also, she was a drain on the group's food resources (eating for two, after all).
Kenny's tendency to react emotionally and not logically got Walter and potentially Alvin killed, and, had he not taken the blame at the last minute, could very well have gotten Clementine beaten to death with a radio. His anger issues caused Bonnie and Mike to leave the group in the middle of the night, and he straight up murders Jane in one of the endings. And that's just in season two. Burden could very well be Kenny's middle name. Hell, for all we know, it could canonically be his last name.
AJ is a baby. Babies are a burden in the real world, I shouldn't have to explain why they'd be a burden in a zombie apocalypse.
As for Clementine, her actions led directly to the deaths of Chuck (died trying to protect her), Lee (got bit looking for her after she ran off), and Omid (Clementine was careless with her gun, a bandit took it, and Omid died trying to protect Clem by disarming said bandit). That's three people who would likely still be alive had Clem not been a burden on them, and simply starved to death in her treehouse.
Also, there's a difference between being "pragmatic" and being a sociopath. Sighing with relief when a teenage girl gets eaten alive in front of you puts you firmly in the latter camp. Luke knew that, otherwise he wouldn't have risked his life chasing after Sarah when she ran off during the escape from Howe's. He certainly wouldn't have spent hours trying to talk her out of that trailer she hid in. Even Jane chooses to jump down and attempt to help Sarah on her own should you let the timer run out. So yes, I'm quite comfortable in my believe that no member of the group was comforted by Sarah's death because, as I stated before, they are not total fucking assholes.
She could have survived if someone helped her, but i don't want her to survive though.
Why?
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She was just annoying and would have gotten everybody killed IMO.
I know finding a character annoying is subjective, but I fail to see how Sarah can be considered annoying.
If I were to think of an annoying character, this kid fits the title well:
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aj is a baby and you can hold a baby with one arm or a bag, sarah is a huge baby child that can freak out and you can't control.
seriously, i shouldn't need to explain a baby's role in society.
What if he cries when you are aproaching a herd of walker? Plus Sarah saved Clem's life. AJ is useless
i am just sick of 12 year old girls on the forums complaining about how if only sarah would have just let it go or if she could have painted with all the colours of the wind or some other bullsh*t she could have been the hero, i have some news for you, if you have zero practical skills, you can't even perform simple tasks and you have no control of yourself, you are going to die in tough situations like this and i don't just mean zombie apocalypse situations.
maybe you have never experienced it in real life, but there are situations where you can fear for you life because of the incompetence of other people, and because of that you would be relieved if they were no longer part of the situation.
if you feel the need to defend such an incompetent character like sarah, maybe that means you identify with them, and also maybe that means you should stop making excuses and learn to be more competent and useful yourself.
once again aj is a baby.
i mean if you really want sarah to be competing with a baby, maybe there are one or two situations where sarah is stronger, like maybe carrying a small bag or something, but babies don't perform the role of people in society, there are zero expectation put on babies they are basically tamagotchis made of flesh.
but sure if you want to include a baby in the competition of who is the weakest character, the baby wins by a small margin over sarah
You have no point. Tell me, how can a baby be better than Sarah? She gave Clem peroxide to disinfect her arm without telling anybody and she stood up to Carver if he slaps Clem. I dunno what point is of the baby, Clem should find him a family to be taken care of.
my point is that i wasn't including a baby in my list when i said sarah was the weakest character, but if for some reason you do, sure a baby is a bit weaker.
but to answer you earlier question:
you could just pick it up and run, or just run because you would already be carrying him.
what if sarah freaks out and doesn't want to move when you are approaching a hoard of zombies?
I mean when Clem is a middle of the herd.
The only reason Sarah had "zero practical skills", as you put it, was because her father spent the entire apocalypse coddling her and not teaching her to survive. Had she been carrying a gun, and been trained it its use (beyond what Clem taught her at the cabin), then yes, I am quite confident the situation would have had a much happier ending. The fact that she asked Clem to teach her to use a gun shows she was interested in learning to protect herself, and seemed to lament the lack of opportunities her father had given her.
And no, I haven't been in a situation where I feared for my life due to the incompetence of others. Woe is me, and my comfortable middle class existence. Perhaps you, on the other hand, get into those situations all the time. Perhaps you've just finished up a ten year term with the Special Forces, in which case, let me be the first to thank you for the sacrifices you've made in defense of my freedom.
By the way - resorting to personal attacks - that's not something you do when you're winning the argument. Just saying....
first off why would you be in the middle of a herd carrying a baby? is clem carrying the baby?
if the answer to those two absurd situations is just because and yes, clementine would have to fight and run, however if sarah was the one freaking out in the middle of a herd clementine would either have to protect her (putting herself in even more danger) or just leave her
so was sarah born at the beginning of the apocalypse, no, she has mental issues and her father knew that and did the best he could to keep her safe.
by the way - fucking asholes don't resort to personal attacks, but some people may interpret things as a personal attack if they feel personally invested in the subject
I never said she was born at the beginning of the apocalypse, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. What I was saying, was that her father had two years to try and prepare her to survive on her own. He could have taught her how to shoot, taught her how to take down a zombie without panicking, but instead he choose to believe she was completely incapable. She's a hell of a lot more capable than he gave her credit for, however. Pete saw that, and depending on your dialogue choices, Clem saw that too.
I'm honestly not sure if you're referring to me or yourself, here. You're the one who *did *resort to personal attacks in your last post. That's not me misinterpreting things, that's just a fact. And going over both our responses, you seem like you're taking this a lot more personally than I am.