i'm not the one who brought up personal attacks, but if you can't read you own words or comprehend what you are saying, you implied i was a fucking asshole and that i was a sociopath, maybe you could explain how i personally attacked you.
back to sarah, you are ignoring the fact that carlos had her entire life to teach sarah how to be a competent human being, however sometimes people are mentally challenged and cannot ever become as competent as most other people, that is life, and to deny that is just insulting to people that are mentally challenged and the people that care for them, basically saying if only they or their parents had just tried harder people with mental issues would just be fine.
so was sarah born at the beginning of the apocalypse, no, she has mental issues and her father knew that and did the best he could to keep h… moreer safe.
I never said she was born at the beginning of the apocalypse, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. What I was saying, was that her father had two years to try and prepare her to survive on her own. He could have taught her how to shoot, taught her how to take down a zombie without panicking, but instead he choose to believe she was completely incapable. She's a hell of a lot more capable than he gave her credit for, however. Pete saw that, and depending on your dialogue choices, Clem saw that too.
by the way - fucking asholes don't resort to personal attacks, but some people may interpret things as a personal attack if they feel personally invested in the subject
I'm honestly not sure if you're referring to me or yourself, here. You're the one who *did *resort to person… [view original content]
i'm not the one who brought up personal attacks, but if you can't read you own words or comprehend what you are saying, you implied i was a fucking asshole and that i was a sociopath, maybe you could explain how i personally attacked you.
Those comments weren't directed at you. They were directed at your ideas. Specifically speaking, they were directed at the idea that Clementine's entire group - a group that included such individuals as Luke, who would canonically be willing to go to hell and back for their people - cared for naught but their own survival. You stated that these people were essentially relieved when Sarah died, whereas I believe that goes against almost everything we know about these people. Even Jane, the most "pragmatic" one in the group, is upset enough by Sarah's death to leave the group (however temporarily). By stating what you did, you implied that these people where no better than the likes of Crawford and Carver, two people who were (admittedly, this is my opinion) complete fucking assholes. I strongly disagreed with this characterization, and made my objections known in an admittedly harshly worded manner. In this case, I felt the point in question warranted such harsh language, and I stand by that assertion.
That said, if you would be seriously willing to sacrifice a young girl - in the most horrific manner possible - in the vague hopes of improving your own chance for survival, then yes, I personally feel that that does make you a horrible person. I'm speaking my personal opinion here, and while that isn't meant as a personal attack, you can take it as one if you so choose.
With regards to your attacks against me, the following lines don't exactly leave a lot of wiggle room.
i am just sick of 12 year old girls on the forums...
if you feel the need to defend such an incompetent character like sarah, maybe that means you identify with them, and also maybe that means you should stop making excuses and learn to be more competent and useful yourself.
(not to imply that being a twelve-year-old girl is an insult, but in this case, I'm pretty sure it was meant as such)
With regards to your comments about Sarah, at no point did she strike me as not being a "competent human being". That said, there is quite a massive gulf between "competent human being" and "competent survivor in world infested with flesh eating corpses", a gulf I feel she could have crossed had she not been killed because the writers felt like "shocking" us. Am I saying she would have been as competent as the likes of Lee and Clementine? No. Am I saying she could have been trained to use a gun, tend a campfire, and generally been an asset to her group? Absolutely.
Also, you've spent most of the day arguing that Sarah should essentially be euthanized for the good of the group. You don't get to take the high road by implying I'M the one insulting individuals with mental health issues.
i'm not the one who brought up personal attacks, but if you can't read you own words or comprehend what you are saying, you implied i was a … morefucking asshole and that i was a sociopath, maybe you could explain how i personally attacked you.
back to sarah, you are ignoring the fact that carlos had her entire life to teach sarah how to be a competent human being, however sometimes people are mentally challenged and cannot ever become as competent as most other people, that is life, and to deny that is just insulting to people that are mentally challenged and the people that care for them, basically saying if only they or their parents had just tried harder people with mental issues would just be fine.
I just want to know why the hell Bonnie and Luke didn't keep shooting? And why the hell didn't anyone actually help Jane out? Bonnie could'v… moree kept shooting while Mike or Luke went down to help Jane. Sarah had so much potential and her death was clearly rushed. I wanted to see her become hardened. Carlos dying meant nothing now. I believe she could've survived, but I guess Telltale wanted us to know that you can't save everyone.
when did i say sarah should be euthanised or that i would be willing to sacrifice a young girl in the vague hopes of improving my own survival?
i said:
in the back of their minds i bet everybody thought "this is for the best" while she died
and i also said
although it may be sad, it is one less burden and danger to the group, everybody has some pragmatism in them, especially when it comes to a basic instinct like survival,
in no way was i saying anything about sacrifice or euthanasia.
and you didn't actually explain how what i said was a personal attack however you did say:
I personally feel that that does make you a horrible person.
i'm not the one who brought up personal attacks, but if you can't read you own words or comprehend what you are saying, you implied i was a … morefucking asshole and that i was a sociopath, maybe you could explain how i personally attacked you.
Those comments weren't directed at you. They were directed at your ideas. Specifically speaking, they were directed at the idea that Clementine's entire group - a group that included such individuals as Luke, who would canonically be willing to go to hell and back for their people - cared for naught but their own survival. You stated that these people were essentially relieved when Sarah died, whereas I believe that goes against almost everything we know about these people. Even Jane, the most "pragmatic" one in the group, is upset enough by Sarah's death to leave the group (however temporarily). By stating what you did, you implied that these people where no better than the likes of Crawford and Ca… [view original content]
first off why would you be in the middle of a herd carrying a baby? is clem carrying the baby?
if the answer to those two absurd situatio… morens is just because and yes, clementine would have to fight and run, however if sarah was the one freaking out in the middle of a herd clementine would either have to protect her (putting herself in even more danger) or just leave her
she was never actually "in the middle of the herd" in that ending, she was walking towards it for some stupid reason, but she could have came to her senses and avoided them, but if she didn't and the baby did make noise, the only thing she could do would be fight and run as i said
she was never actually "in the middle of the herd" in that ending, she was walking towards it for some stupid reason, but she could have cam… moree to her senses and avoided them, but if she didn't and the baby did make noise, the only thing she could do would be fight and run as i said
well of course i can only imagine, but i imagine it would be very hard and it would be a stupid thing to attempt unless it was your only option, and in the alone ending clementine clearly had many other options
well of course i can only imagine, but i imagine it would be very hard and it would be a stupid thing to attempt unless it was your only option, and in the alone ending clementine clearly had many other options
Maybe one day we can all experience the joy of a zombie apocalypse.
Anyway, past my bad effort at making jokes, while Clem can walk around the herd, I suspect that would take too much time...even though, where do you have to go? It just seems obvious from how the cutscene plays out that she'll walk into it. Therefore making the whole bad scenario thing you brought up earlier proven wrong.
You are right however, it is a terrible idea to walk into a herd with a baby.
Maybe one day we can all experience the joy of a zombie apocalypse.
Anyway, past my bad effort at making jokes, while Clem can walk aroun… mored the herd, I suspect that would take too much time...even though, where do you have to go? It just seems obvious from how the cutscene plays out that she'll walk into it. Therefore making the whole bad scenario thing you brought up earlier proven wrong.
You are right however, it is a terrible idea to walk into a herd with a baby.
yeah i agree she was probably going to try and walk through them (no matter how bad of an idea that was)
but what was "the whole bad scenario thing" i brought up, not trying to be funny, but i just don't know
oh right, i get what you mean, i still think it is an absurd thing to do, but it was heavily implied that it would happen, so the chance that it did happen is far from absurd, infact thinking/hoping it didn't happen is absurd
first off why would you be in the middle of a herd carrying a baby? is clem carrying the baby?
if the answer to those two absurd situ… moreations is just because and yes
These two things. It's not that you said a bad situation but that you said someone else was making a bad situation.
oh right, i get what you mean, i still think it is an absurd thing to do, but it was heavily implied that it would happen, so the chance that it did happen is far from absurd, infact thinking/hoping it didn't happen is absurd
I know finding a character annoying is subjective, but I fail to see how Sarah can be considered annoying.
If I were to think of an annoying character, this kid fits the title well:
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I also felt like her death was unnecessary, however I think that even if Jane surprisingly managed to free her from the rubble in less than 10 seconds, Sarah wouldn't lift a finger and Jane would have to carry her all the way up. I don't think that would be possible when there was so little time. She was afraid of her own shadow by that time.
aj is a baby and you can hold a baby with one arm or a bag, sarah is a huge baby child that can freak out and you can't control.
seriously, i shouldn't need to explain a baby's role in society.
Of course Sarah could have survived if Jane had actually bothered to be a decent fucking human being, but... y'know.
But there's also the possibility that Sarah could have broken her legs from the fall.
She does, but nearly every commentary about Sarah is more or less this:
"She doesn't want to be saved!"
"She'll only drag you down with her!"
"She's not strong enough to survive!"
"You're just delaying the inevitable!"
Jane never says anything positive or expresses any concern to a girl who did her no wrong, and most of her dialogue behind her back is usually condescending. For someone who used to have a younger sister who is similar to Sarah, Jane sure likes to belittle them.
Well I know if I was in Jane's position at the trailer park, I'd do the same thing. Sarah was not moving, and that could've killed Clementine and Jane. Let's not forget when you are prompted to pull Jane up or tell her to save Sarah, if you choose the silent option, Jane actually risks her own life to go down and help Sarah.
She does, but nearly every commentary about Sarah is more or less this:
"She doesn't want to be saved!"
"She'll only drag you down wit… moreh her!"
"She's not strong enough to survive!"
"You're just delaying the inevitable!"
Jane never says anything positive or expresses any concern to a girl who did her no wrong, and most of her dialogue behind her back is usually condescending. For someone who used to have a younger sister who is similar to Sarah, Jane sure likes to belittle them.
I understand that Jane will help Sarah of her own accord, but her hesitation and reluctance in initially helping Sarah is what gave the walkers time to kill Sarah.
Then again, I also blame Luke, Bonnie, and Mike for doing nothing to help Sarah.
Well I know if I was in Jane's position at the trailer park, I'd do the same thing. Sarah was not moving, and that could've killed Clementin… moree and Jane. Let's not forget when you are prompted to pull Jane up or tell her to save Sarah, if you choose the silent option, Jane actually risks her own life to go down and help Sarah.
Well I know if I was in Jane's position at the trailer park, I'd do the same thing. Sarah was not moving, and that could've killed Clementin… moree and Jane. Let's not forget when you are prompted to pull Jane up or tell her to save Sarah, if you choose the silent option, Jane actually risks her own life to go down and help Sarah.
I understand that Jane will help Sarah of her own accord, but her hesitation and reluctance in initially helping Sarah is what gave the walkers time to kill Sarah.
Then again, I also blame Luke, Bonnie, and Mike for doing nothing to help Sarah.
I'm not saying they're not at fault, but Mike and Bonnie were covering Jane. And Luke and Clementine probably thought Jane had it under control, considering all she had to do was lift up wood and let Sarah squirm out of there and run up the deck.
i think if everybody tried to help she may have survived, but others could have gotten hurt, and after that she would have just been a burde… moren to the group and gotten herself in danger or killed some other way.
in the back of their minds i bet everybody thought "this is for the best" while she died
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i'm not the one who brought up personal attacks, but if you can't read you own words or comprehend what you are saying, you implied i was a fucking asshole and that i was a sociopath, maybe you could explain how i personally attacked you.
back to sarah, you are ignoring the fact that carlos had her entire life to teach sarah how to be a competent human being, however sometimes people are mentally challenged and cannot ever become as competent as most other people, that is life, and to deny that is just insulting to people that are mentally challenged and the people that care for them, basically saying if only they or their parents had just tried harder people with mental issues would just be fine.
Idk she reminds me of Duck because she gets afraid when around walkers
Those comments weren't directed at you. They were directed at your ideas. Specifically speaking, they were directed at the idea that Clementine's entire group - a group that included such individuals as Luke, who would canonically be willing to go to hell and back for their people - cared for naught but their own survival. You stated that these people were essentially relieved when Sarah died, whereas I believe that goes against almost everything we know about these people. Even Jane, the most "pragmatic" one in the group, is upset enough by Sarah's death to leave the group (however temporarily). By stating what you did, you implied that these people where no better than the likes of Crawford and Carver, two people who were (admittedly, this is my opinion) complete fucking assholes. I strongly disagreed with this characterization, and made my objections known in an admittedly harshly worded manner. In this case, I felt the point in question warranted such harsh language, and I stand by that assertion.
That said, if you would be seriously willing to sacrifice a young girl - in the most horrific manner possible - in the vague hopes of improving your own chance for survival, then yes, I personally feel that that does make you a horrible person. I'm speaking my personal opinion here, and while that isn't meant as a personal attack, you can take it as one if you so choose.
With regards to your attacks against me, the following lines don't exactly leave a lot of wiggle room.
(not to imply that being a twelve-year-old girl is an insult, but in this case, I'm pretty sure it was meant as such)
With regards to your comments about Sarah, at no point did she strike me as not being a "competent human being". That said, there is quite a massive gulf between "competent human being" and "competent survivor in world infested with flesh eating corpses", a gulf I feel she could have crossed had she not been killed because the writers felt like "shocking" us. Am I saying she would have been as competent as the likes of Lee and Clementine? No. Am I saying she could have been trained to use a gun, tend a campfire, and generally been an asset to her group? Absolutely.
Also, you've spent most of the day arguing that Sarah should essentially be euthanized for the good of the group. You don't get to take the high road by implying I'M the one insulting individuals with mental health issues.
Everyone is afraid when they are around walkers, don't you think?
i agree with you
when did i say sarah should be euthanised or that i would be willing to sacrifice a young girl in the vague hopes of improving my own survival?
i said:
and i also said
in no way was i saying anything about sacrifice or euthanasia.
and you didn't actually explain how what i said was a personal attack however you did say:
I see someone didn't see the alone ending.
she was never actually "in the middle of the herd" in that ending, she was walking towards it for some stupid reason, but she could have came to her senses and avoided them, but if she didn't and the baby did make noise, the only thing she could do would be fight and run as i said
I don't think you understand how hard it is to get through a large herd of walkers while carrying a baby.
well of course i can only imagine, but i imagine it would be very hard and it would be a stupid thing to attempt unless it was your only option, and in the alone ending clementine clearly had many other options
Come on, you're telling me you don't have first hand experience?
i know, it's hard to believe, but there are infact many things i have yet to experience in life :P
Maybe one day we can all experience the joy of a zombie apocalypse.
Anyway, past my bad effort at making jokes, while Clem can walk around the herd, I suspect that would take too much time...even though, where do you have to go? It just seems obvious from how the cutscene plays out that she'll walk into it. Therefore making the whole bad scenario thing you brought up earlier proven wrong.
You are right however, it is a terrible idea to walk into a herd with a baby.
yeah i agree she was probably going to try and walk through them (no matter how bad of an idea that was)
but what was "the whole bad scenario thing" i brought up, not trying to be funny, but i just don't know
These two things. It's not that you said a bad situation but that you said someone else was making a bad situation.
oh right, i get what you mean, i still think it is an absurd thing to do, but it was heavily implied that it would happen, so the chance that it did happen is far from absurd, infact thinking/hoping it didn't happen is absurd
I guess they wanted that bad ass shot rather than logic shot.
yeah like "what is more badass than walking away from an explosion? i know, walking into an explosion"
Worked with Lee.
The real question here is, why did she have to die in the first place?
I find her annoying because she's incapable of doing anything. Like i said it's my opinion.
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They didn't know what to do with her at the finale I suppouse
No. The plot wanted her dead and it made it all too obvious. She fell and got stuck under plot rubble which made no sense
She's more or less incapable of doing anything because no one allows her to do anything for herself or for the group. That's hardly her fault.
I also felt like her death was unnecessary, however I think that even if Jane surprisingly managed to free her from the rubble in less than 10 seconds, Sarah wouldn't lift a finger and Jane would have to carry her all the way up. I don't think that would be possible when there was so little time. She was afraid of her own shadow by that time.
Of course Sarah could have survived if Jane had actually bothered to be a decent fucking human being, but... y'know.
But there's also the possibility that Sarah could have broken her legs from the fall.
under plot rubble
Couldn't help but laugh at these two, but then get really bitter.
Jane? Jane actually goes down to help while Luke, Bonnie, and Mike just stand there.
She does, but nearly every commentary about Sarah is more or less this:
"She doesn't want to be saved!"
"She'll only drag you down with her!"
"She's not strong enough to survive!"
"You're just delaying the inevitable!"
Jane never says anything positive or expresses any concern to a girl who did her no wrong, and most of her dialogue behind her back is usually condescending. For someone who used to have a younger sister who is similar to Sarah, Jane sure likes to belittle them.
Well I know if I was in Jane's position at the trailer park, I'd do the same thing. Sarah was not moving, and that could've killed Clementine and Jane. Let's not forget when you are prompted to pull Jane up or tell her to save Sarah, if you choose the silent option, Jane actually risks her own life to go down and help Sarah.
I understand that Jane will help Sarah of her own accord, but her hesitation and reluctance in initially helping Sarah is what gave the walkers time to kill Sarah.
Then again, I also blame Luke, Bonnie, and Mike for doing nothing to help Sarah.
Why not bother slapping the crap out of her?
Wouldn't anyone be reluctant though?
Jane goes down to help reluctantly, and doesn't even bother to properly lift the wood up.
The plot done took her common sense away. Despite her not being the smartest cookie in the jar
While Mike, Bonnie, and Luke just stand there and do NOTHING.
I'm not saying they're not at fault, but Mike and Bonnie were covering Jane. And Luke and Clementine probably thought Jane had it under control, considering all she had to do was lift up wood and let Sarah squirm out of there and run up the deck.
How was Sarah a burden exactly? She didn't kill anyone or get anyone hurt, plus she wanted to learn how to survive.