Was Carver afraid of Kenny?

edited November 2015 in The Walking Dead

It seems to me that Carver viewed Kenny as a real threat.
As unlike the others, Kenny wasn't afraid of Carver, but rather stood up to him.
One thing that has to be said for Kenny, is that he certainly didn't lack nerve.

I firmly believe that Carver would've killed Kenny, if Bonnie hadn't interrupted him.
He knew Kenny was a threat, and that with his nerve, the others might very well follow him in some sort of uprising.
So for Carver, Kenny had to be killed as soon as possible.

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  • The Kenny/Carver thing was just weird. They acted like they had some huge history in the beating scene and carvers death scene. It was just bizzare they knew each other for two days. Heck those were the only interactions we saw, not to mention nothing else offscreen was insunated

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited November 2015

    I wouldn't necessarily say afraid, more annoyed and irritated. I mean, he definitely saw Kenny as a potential threat, but he wasn't really scared of an uprising (or of Kenny himself), he was probably just annoyed that he had to take his time to make an example of a defiant jerkass, which he's probably had to do in the past. With the way Carver is, he can easily spin the story and make Kenny look like the bad guy. The problem is that he has to take the time to do that because this guy keeps starting shit with people. Carver probably sees Kenny like an annoying housefly that someone needs to swat already.

  • Well Kenny did kill one of Carver's people and after captured caused all kinds of problems that Carver probably heard about till the escape. I would be cautious around someone like that too. The walkie talkie incident was perfect for Carver to have the excuse to make an example of Kenny and assert authority over his captives. Unfortunatley for Carver, it only fueled our groups resolve to leave.

  • edited November 2015

    One thing that has to be said for Kenny, is that he certainly didn't lack nerve.

    Honestly for the whole walkie talkie thing, I don't think you can deny that Kenny was being a bit suicidal there. It's like he wanted Carver to kill him, and he even said so afterwards. "Why couldn't Carver have just finished me off?" and "Do you know what it feels like? To get beaten almost to death? Peaceful. It feels peaceful. It was like I was floating away, watching the whole thing happen to me....[angrily] and then I woke up again." It honestly doesn't sound like Kenny wanted to live, or that he was planning on getting out of the walkie talkie incident alive. I don't think Kenny was really standing up to Carver, or really that he was being brave in that instance. It's not like Kenny was advocating for any change during the walkie talkie incident. "Standing up" to Carver for me would be Kenny saying, "You're a fuckin' murderer! We're not your slaves, and we're not gonna take this shit anymore!" in that he'd have to call out Carver for his ways, and Kenny'd actually show he wanted change from the way Carver was running things. In reality, I think Kenny just didn't care anymore. It was more like Kenny spat on Carver's car windshield, waiting for Carver to run him over, and Kenny was glad to take it.

    And I agree with Deltino. I don't think Carver was afraid of Kenny, as there was no real indication of Carver ever being legitimately afraid of him. Hell, even in his last moments, Carver keeps taunting Kenny; he never gave in:

    Carver: "Yeah go on. Let the sheep outta the pen. We'll see how long that lasts."

    Kenny: "You won't see anything."

    Carver: "That's funny, coming from you. How's that eye? Just follow my voice. It'll get ya there. You've got a thick fuckin' skull, Kenneth."

    So yeah. Carver was more annoyed with Kenny than anything, and chose to make an example of him to the others that people going against his rules wouldn't be tolerated.

  • But if that was the case, why force Clementine to take the walkie-talkie?

    Granted he might actually want to help Clementine get out of the place, but if he truly felt suicidal he would have simply took the walkie-talkie instead of having the girl he's supposedly trying to protect take it instead. If he gets caught with smuggling the walkie-talkie, he's executed for his crimes, thus getting what he wants...or he succeeds in completing the plan and helps Clementine escape from the place. It's a win-win situation for him.

    sialark posted: »

    One thing that has to be said for Kenny, is that he certainly didn't lack nerve. Honestly for the whole walkie talkie thing, I don't

  • Carver clearly knew Kenny was a threat to his leadership as he was just as strong as him and would stand up to him. His only advantage was being incharge and having the guns, hell he beat the shit out of Kenny when he found a reason. And when he failed to kill him and was taken down Kenny did what Carver should have done. He beat him until there was nothing left of him, and I watched as Clem. :P

  • Well I don't think Kenny was suicidal during that entire episode. It's just that when the occasion arose, Carver beating Kenny to near-death was a "way out" for Kenny, and Kenny didn't do anything to stop it; he welcomed it, as indicated by his dialogue.

    And as much as I don't like him, I think Kenny really was trying to help them all get out of there, and I believe he forced the walkie-talkie on Clem because I believe Kenny felt that honestly that was the smartest way to go, even though personally I agree with you on that; Kenny was being incredibly foolish and it was ridiculously risky to force it on the girl he was trying to "protect."

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    But if that was the case, why force Clementine to take the walkie-talkie? Granted he might actually want to help Clementine get out of th

  • Id assume Carver thought Kenny was the "leader" and he needed to be neutralized

  • Not really. Carver isn't afraid of anyone.

  • edited November 2015

    Uh, Kenny killed at least one of his guys and depending on how you played you can shoot him in the shoulder.

    Pretty hard not to see the guy that shot you as a threat.

  • He didn't take him as a threat.

    pr0dz posted: »

    Not really. Carver isn't afraid of anyone.

  • If he was smart he would see Kenny as a threat. If your on his bad side then you better watch your back.

  • f he was smart

    He was a smart character who made "poor"choices at the end of his life. I don't see why he would do any of that in a ZA story. If you want them dead, that is one thing, but imprisonment... Made no sense.

    ewantu2 posted: »

    If he was smart he would see Kenny as a threat. If your on his bad side then you better watch your back.

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