i'm sorry you feel that way... coz overall the writters didn't put some much effort... they're just focusing how they are gonna butchered those season 2 characters...
If you came across a survey where the majority of people said Muslims suck, or that Stalin was a cool dude, you'd probably want to argue against that, right?
Agreed. Give me an adult character (male or female, don't give shit). Someone who can "realistically" move the story forward and influence the dynamics of the group we're in. And for the love of God, give me a protagonist that's actually interesting. Not to say that I'm one of those people who thinks Clem was an emotionless robot through out Season 2. To me it was less about her lack of emotion and more about her boring ass personality.
It would still be The Walking Dead, only this time hopefully better characters! They fucked S2 up by having Clem as the PC so now they can start fresh instead of being stuck with the shittiest protagonist ever!
I just don't want to Play as new people. It makes more sense to play as Clementine. How could you call it a season, if you're playing with characters that are in no relations to the previous games.
Loved playing as Clem. I think part of why I loved playing as her, and love her as a character, is simply because she is a female, and she's… more so young. I think playing as a child, male, or female, makes a post-apocalypse game 100 times better. Simply because they are growing up in it. Rather than being an adult and using your skills, and knowlege to survive. You have to adapt within a blink of an eye, just to survive.
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her in S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her i… moren S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
you dont have to play as an adult male all of the time just saying they dont have to be funny or a kid or adult or teen or alien. what matters is charactor development
A big problem of it for me is that we're always the main protagonist! We do all the important, dangerous things in the story! So a little girl doing those things just isn't as believable as say, an older teenager or adult. I mean, the adults in Season 2 didn't want to fix a wind turbine.
A big problem of it for me is that we're always the main protagonist! We do all the important, dangerous things in the story! So a little gi… morerl doing those things just isn't as believable as say, an older teenager or adult. I mean, the adults in Season 2 didn't want to fix a wind turbine.
Not really, that's not a fact. Yes, Clementine's character could've been better developed in S2, but it doesn't mean that everyone disliked playing as her. The problem isn't playing as a little girl, it's how Telltale handled it. It felt unrealistic how everyone asked Clementine to do everything, but again, that could've been avoided if the writers hadn't screwed up. The lack of development could happen to any character - male or female, child or adult, etc.
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her i… moren S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
Clem did show some emotion throughout the season. Maybe you was too busy hating on it to notice it?
Also, just because you are playing a girl/women doesn't automatically make the game crap. Most players automatically brushed S2 aside because you are playing as a little girl. Hell, I kinda was a little hard on S2 until I replayed the game and realized how good season two actually was.
Liked/like Clementine but part of me would like to get back to business and play as a grown badass again. You gotta hand it to the writers though. Must take a lot of talent to make grown ass men passionately demanding to play as a little girl for the next game hahahaha.
That is the problem though, as the player you should be doing most things but because it's a little girl doing it instead of the adults that's where it all looks stupid. If we played as an adult however then it wouldn't be unrealistic and farfetched, so yeah.
I guess they never thought about this stuff before choosing Clem as the main character.
Not really, that's not a fact. Yes, Clementine's character could've been better developed in S2, but it doesn't mean that everyone disliked … moreplaying as her. The problem isn't playing as a little girl, it's how Telltale handled it. It felt unrealistic how everyone asked Clementine to do everything, but again, that could've been avoided if the writers hadn't screwed up. The lack of development could happen to any character - male or female, child or adult, etc.
Clem did show some emotion throughout the season. Maybe you was too busy hating on it to notice it?
Also, just because you are playing a … moregirl/women doesn't automatically make the game crap. Most players automatically brushed S2 aside because you are playing as a little girl. Hell, I kinda was a little hard on S2 until I replayed the game and realized how good season two actually was.
I still hate Kenny though.
Pardon me, it's just that earlier you said you know people have opinions and act like you're okay with that yet later on you end up excusing the defenders' opinions for denial because it's just that they love the character. Sure some will defend her to the end, but not everyone is as you say so refrain from the generalizing. It just makes your side on the debate look weak the moment you did that and proves you can't handle people disagreeing with you.
Now for me, I have my reasons for defending the character outside of being a fan, and I know the flaws. But I talked so much already about the character that I don't feel the need to make a huge comment about the character as it's already been discussed numerous times and I'd just be wasting my time. I'll just say age/sex doesn't matter as it's the character and their story, along with the believability of their presence that makes a distinguished character. And I agree with CatWolf, it wasn't perfect but that can happen with ANY CHARACTER.
With all that said, good day. And learn to handle opinions a bit better next time.
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her i… moren S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
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Pardon me, it's just that earlier you said you know people have opinions and act like you're okay with that y… moreet later on you end up excusing the defenders' opinions for denial because it's just that they love the character. Sure some will defend her to the end, but not everyone is as you say so refrain from the generalizing. It just makes your side on the debate look weak the moment you did that and proves you can't handle people disagreeing with you.
Now for me, I have my reasons for defending the character outside of being a fan, and I know the flaws. But I talked so much already about the character that I don't feel the need to make a huge comment about the character as it's already been discussed numerous times and I'd just be wasting my time. I'll just say age/sex doesn't matter as it's the character and their story, along with the believability of their presence that makes a distinguished character. And… [view original content]
Hey, No problem. You made some excellent points, and I think we can all agree that Clementine wasn't exactly the best protagonist in the world, and that's kind of an understatement.
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Pardon me, it's just that earlier you said you know people have opinions and act like you're okay with that y… moreet later on you end up excusing the defenders' opinions for denial because it's just that they love the character. Sure some will defend her to the end, but not everyone is as you say so refrain from the generalizing. It just makes your side on the debate look weak the moment you did that and proves you can't handle people disagreeing with you.
Now for me, I have my reasons for defending the character outside of being a fan, and I know the flaws. But I talked so much already about the character that I don't feel the need to make a huge comment about the character as it's already been discussed numerous times and I'd just be wasting my time. I'll just say age/sex doesn't matter as it's the character and their story, along with the believability of their presence that makes a distinguished character. And… [view original content]
I don't know what your problem is. I, for one, loved playing as Clem and seeing her becoming stronger and more sure of herself. I also liked all the choices she had to make along the way.
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her i… moren S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
She's fine as the protagonist. We've been building her up since S1. TT knew people would have a problem with this, but they like to do interesting and different ideas, so far it's worked out pretty awesome.
I love playing as Clem. She's tough and more mature and level-headed than most of the adults. She's badass and cunning, but still caring and hopeful. It's what makes this game special. there are enough zombie games out there were you play adult guys that bash heads in. that's boring! Clem went through a lot and she matured during that time.
I just switched from PS3 to Xbox One, got the TTG collection, convenient Black Friday is convenient, and I replayed GoT and TWD S1 so far.
S1 was awesome. Then I played the first episode of S2.
It was the most boring-est shit I've ever played. I'd rather watch The Room, Birdemic, and Dragon Ball Evolution back-to-back then play that again.
I made the decision to skip right to No Going Back, after being bored even longer of bland characters and horrible logic, i am ready to put Clem in the past. Replaying S1 again, you don't really get to know her that much depending on your choices, and just like in S2, she's just sort of there. Like Nick and Ben. When they actually say something, it's usually bland or cliché TTG choices. I prefer "..." because even that's more interesting.
Either way, S3, I'll still play it regardless of tthe PC. I just hope it has better written dialogue and plot.
Tommy Wiseau as Johnny is more interesting than Clementine.
I liked playing as Clem overall, but the OP does make some salient points. She does have a deadpan expression for most of her dealings with the adults, but she does show a more emotional, scarred side every now and then. With Lee, dealing with zombies was a matter of will; Lee didn't want the zombies near Clem, and he had the physical ability to accomplish that.
I felt like a badass playing as him, but I appreciated that playing as Clem forced me to play differently, more cleverly. She couldn't just shove her way through a horde; she only really came close in the opening minutes of episode 1, and even that was barely accomplished with a distraction. And I liked that. And having a sister about the same age as Clem (when the season came out), I really felt like her responses were in the realm of possibility of an 11 year old. She felt like a kid.
For me looking back, the main problem wasn't really with Clem, it was the fact she didn't have anything to tie her down. Not just a person, or a goal, or a relationship, nothing truly keeping her in the story. We got...Kenny partway through, and even though in my play through that I continued, Kenny refused to come rescue Clem with Lee, I was glad to see him. In my playthroughs, I usually supported Kenny since I felt he had a better sense on how to keep the group safe. Better than anyone else at least. I was smiling after I finished the episode because of that reunion.
But what would have been able to tie Clem into the narrative more strongly would have been AJ's birth near the end of episode 2. I haven't counted the season day by day, but I'm pretty sure it takes place in 3 weeks, give or take a day or two. That would mean we spent 2/3rds of the season in time jumps. When exactly babies are born isn't exact at all; who's to say Rebecca's water couldn't have broken after the exertion of climbing up the mountain to the lodge. There's no way Walter would have allowed a birthing woman to stay outside; we would have been invited in without Kenny's help.
And how could the discussion in episode 3 have been different if AJ (or whatever he would have been named if both his parents were still alive) was born? Clem was apparently fine with covering the baby in viscera and sneaking through a herd, but what about Rebecca? She would have had to choose to either stay with the man who killed/tortured her husband but was unlikely to hurt her baby, or take her chances that an errant cry from AJ in the herd wouldn't have doomed them both. Which would she have chosen? I'm fairly certain she would have ultimately argued to stay, where her baby would be relatively safer, warmer, and better fed. Even if she thought staying would put herself or her husband in greater long term danger. And more importantly to the game, what would we have argued for, if we had to look at AJ's face and realize the consequences of either choice.
And all of this conflict, all these interactions, could have been excellent dirt to grow the flower of a relationship between Clem and AJ in, like we had with Lee and Clem. It wouldn't and shouldn't have been the same, but it would have been a nice continuing of the care Lee showed to Clem. Now Clem can show that same care to AJ, and here's the most important piece, throughout the season (or at least 2/3rds of it, rather than just the finale).
[TL;DR] Clem was a fine choice for S2 protagonist, but needed something to hold her into the story.
It could have been interesting if they actually stuck with her being and being treated like a little girl, instead of an action hero who looks like a little girl.
Clementine is an awesome character, don't get me wrong. I was just irritated that the adults were so incompetent that they relied on an eleven year old girl to make all of the important decisions. Totally unrealistic.
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i'm sorry you feel that way... coz overall the writters didn't put some much effort... they're just focusing how they are gonna butchered those season 2 characters...
You've expressed that many times already.
Surveys don't mean much
If you came across a survey where the majority of people said Muslims suck, or that Stalin was a cool dude, you'd probably want to argue against that, right?
Agreed. Give me an adult character (male or female, don't give shit). Someone who can "realistically" move the story forward and influence the dynamics of the group we're in. And for the love of God, give me a protagonist that's actually interesting. Not to say that I'm one of those people who thinks Clem was an emotionless robot through out Season 2. To me it was less about her lack of emotion and more about her boring ass personality.
It would still be The Walking Dead, only this time hopefully better characters! They fucked S2 up by having Clem as the PC so now they can start fresh instead of being stuck with the shittiest protagonist ever!
Her personality is atrocious though, she's like a robot and that stupid cheap jacket she wears.
A brave girl who can never say anything funny or twisted.
They need to know.
I think the main reason why Clem fans stick up for her so much is just because of everyone's love for her in the first season, I liked her in S1 for sure but that was then. Now I bet that they know deep down that her character is poor in season 2 but they just don't want to admit it and if we have to play as her again and it's another flop then they are to blame!
People have opinions.
you dont have to play as an adult male all of the time just saying they dont have to be funny or a kid or adult or teen or alien. what matters is charactor development
A big problem of it for me is that we're always the main protagonist! We do all the important, dangerous things in the story! So a little girl doing those things just isn't as believable as say, an older teenager or adult. I mean, the adults in Season 2 didn't want to fix a wind turbine.
Sounds like your problem to me, not Clementine's.
Yes, that's true. Children up to age 15! No need to do the things that Clementine did ..
I actually liked playing as Clementine more than Lee.
Not really, that's not a fact. Yes, Clementine's character could've been better developed in S2, but it doesn't mean that everyone disliked playing as her. The problem isn't playing as a little girl, it's how Telltale handled it. It felt unrealistic how everyone asked Clementine to do everything, but again, that could've been avoided if the writers hadn't screwed up. The lack of development could happen to any character - male or female, child or adult, etc.
Clem did show some emotion throughout the season. Maybe you was too busy hating on it to notice it?
Also, just because you are playing a girl/women doesn't automatically make the game crap. Most players automatically brushed S2 aside because you are playing as a little girl. Hell, I kinda was a little hard on S2 until I replayed the game and realized how good season two actually was.
I still hate Kenny though.
Liked/like Clementine but part of me would like to get back to business and play as a grown badass again. You gotta hand it to the writers though. Must take a lot of talent to make grown ass men passionately demanding to play as a little girl for the next game hahahaha.
That is the problem though, as the player you should be doing most things but because it's a little girl doing it instead of the adults that's where it all looks stupid. If we played as an adult however then it wouldn't be unrealistic and farfetched, so yeah.
I guess they never thought about this stuff before choosing Clem as the main character.
I do agree that Kenny was an annoying repetitive asshole in S2, like most. Wish he'd stayed dead.
Yeah, a fifteen year old with a deep voice and acne is a child...
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Pardon me, it's just that earlier you said you know people have opinions and act like you're okay with that yet later on you end up excusing the defenders' opinions for denial because it's just that they love the character. Sure some will defend her to the end, but not everyone is as you say so refrain from the generalizing. It just makes your side on the debate look weak the moment you did that and proves you can't handle people disagreeing with you.
Now for me, I have my reasons for defending the character outside of being a fan, and I know the flaws. But I talked so much already about the character that I don't feel the need to make a huge comment about the character as it's already been discussed numerous times and I'd just be wasting my time. I'll just say age/sex doesn't matter as it's the character and their story, along with the believability of their presence that makes a distinguished character. And I agree with CatWolf, it wasn't perfect but that can happen with ANY CHARACTER.
With all that said, good day. And learn to handle opinions a bit better next time.
I was about to join this thread to make an irony-filled Sarcastic/Edgy comment, but I have to say, I completely agree with you. Good post dude.
A lot of people seem to agree with me so I have no idea what you're talking about Tobi.
Hey thanks, I really appreciate that.
(shrug)
Eh, I already explained but whatever.
Hey, No problem. You made some excellent points, and I think we can all agree that Clementine wasn't exactly the best protagonist in the world, and that's kind of an understatement.
I have no idea who Hans Landa is, but now I believe I love him.
I don't know what your problem is. I, for one, loved playing as Clem and seeing her becoming stronger and more sure of herself. I also liked all the choices she had to make along the way.
I liked it all the way through because it is one continuos story.
Clementine S2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clementine S1
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She's fine as the protagonist. We've been building her up since S1. TT knew people would have a problem with this, but they like to do interesting and different ideas, so far it's worked out pretty awesome.
I love playing as Clem. She's tough and more mature and level-headed than most of the adults. She's badass and cunning, but still caring and hopeful. It's what makes this game special. there are enough zombie games out there were you play adult guys that bash heads in. that's boring! Clem went through a lot and she matured during that time.
I just switched from PS3 to Xbox One, got the TTG collection, convenient Black Friday is convenient, and I replayed GoT and TWD S1 so far.
S1 was awesome. Then I played the first episode of S2.
It was the most boring-est shit I've ever played. I'd rather watch The Room, Birdemic, and Dragon Ball Evolution back-to-back then play that again.
I made the decision to skip right to No Going Back, after being bored even longer of bland characters and horrible logic, i am ready to put Clem in the past. Replaying S1 again, you don't really get to know her that much depending on your choices, and just like in S2, she's just sort of there. Like Nick and Ben. When they actually say something, it's usually bland or cliché TTG choices. I prefer "..." because even that's more interesting.
Either way, S3, I'll still play it regardless of tthe PC. I just hope it has better written dialogue and plot.
Tommy Wiseau as Johnny is more interesting than Clementine.
Your lack of edge disturbs me.
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I liked playing as Clem overall, but the OP does make some salient points. She does have a deadpan expression for most of her dealings with the adults, but she does show a more emotional, scarred side every now and then. With Lee, dealing with zombies was a matter of will; Lee didn't want the zombies near Clem, and he had the physical ability to accomplish that.
I felt like a badass playing as him, but I appreciated that playing as Clem forced me to play differently, more cleverly. She couldn't just shove her way through a horde; she only really came close in the opening minutes of episode 1, and even that was barely accomplished with a distraction. And I liked that. And having a sister about the same age as Clem (when the season came out), I really felt like her responses were in the realm of possibility of an 11 year old. She felt like a kid.
For me looking back, the main problem wasn't really with Clem, it was the fact she didn't have anything to tie her down. Not just a person, or a goal, or a relationship, nothing truly keeping her in the story. We got...Kenny partway through, and even though in my play through that I continued, Kenny refused to come rescue Clem with Lee, I was glad to see him. In my playthroughs, I usually supported Kenny since I felt he had a better sense on how to keep the group safe. Better than anyone else at least. I was smiling after I finished the episode because of that reunion.
But what would have been able to tie Clem into the narrative more strongly would have been AJ's birth near the end of episode 2. I haven't counted the season day by day, but I'm pretty sure it takes place in 3 weeks, give or take a day or two. That would mean we spent 2/3rds of the season in time jumps. When exactly babies are born isn't exact at all; who's to say Rebecca's water couldn't have broken after the exertion of climbing up the mountain to the lodge. There's no way Walter would have allowed a birthing woman to stay outside; we would have been invited in without Kenny's help.
And how could the discussion in episode 3 have been different if AJ (or whatever he would have been named if both his parents were still alive) was born? Clem was apparently fine with covering the baby in viscera and sneaking through a herd, but what about Rebecca? She would have had to choose to either stay with the man who killed/tortured her husband but was unlikely to hurt her baby, or take her chances that an errant cry from AJ in the herd wouldn't have doomed them both. Which would she have chosen? I'm fairly certain she would have ultimately argued to stay, where her baby would be relatively safer, warmer, and better fed. Even if she thought staying would put herself or her husband in greater long term danger. And more importantly to the game, what would we have argued for, if we had to look at AJ's face and realize the consequences of either choice.
And all of this conflict, all these interactions, could have been excellent dirt to grow the flower of a relationship between Clem and AJ in, like we had with Lee and Clem. It wouldn't and shouldn't have been the same, but it would have been a nice continuing of the care Lee showed to Clem. Now Clem can show that same care to AJ, and here's the most important piece, throughout the season (or at least 2/3rds of it, rather than just the finale).
[TL;DR] Clem was a fine choice for S2 protagonist, but needed something to hold her into the story.
Playing as Clem wasn't bad in my eyes, they just did it in all the wrong ways possible.
It could have been interesting if they actually stuck with her being and being treated like a little girl, instead of an action hero who looks like a little girl.
Clementine is an awesome character, don't get me wrong. I was just irritated that the adults were so incompetent that they relied on an eleven year old girl to make all of the important decisions. Totally unrealistic.