I sorta agree with you, Kenny may have had some strength in his favor during the Jane fight, but Jane did have a knife. Its also possible she could be faster than him + number of other factors. Its hard to say Kenny would win just from pure strength, it would depend on the situation, like in the game. Kenny is laying on top of Jane, trying to stab her, and Kenny's strength is to much and he wins.
Plus, Jane just showing up out of pretty much nowhere, and then being able to cause so much trouble, to me just isn't logical. I would think that Kenny and Luke battling it out would be far more likely, given that they pretty much butted heads from the start.
I think you presented your argument rather well.
And I will agree that the writing in some respects didn't make much sense.
I think that… more the most ridiculous part was having Kenny and Jane battle at the end.
Just to state a fact, men are naturally stronger than women.
So to think that Jane was gonna be able to stand up to Kenny and possibly be able to kill him, is just ridiculous.
Plus, Jane just showing up out of pretty much nowhere, and then being able to cause so much trouble, to me just isn't logical.
I would think that Kenny and Luke battling it out would be far more likely, given that they pretty much butted heads from the start.
I will add more a bit later, so just hang with me.
Arvo snaps and shoots you, then you dream about a time when Lilly snapped and shot someone. Lee says that people are complicated and don't work how you might expect.
I'm not sure that the Lee dream sequence was for that purpose. People on the forums seem divided about it either being about the betrayal or… more Jane vs Kenny. I wouldn't presume on what he meant too much as NGB was... messy... Anyway I think some fans are just so attached to certain characters to think anything beyond "ME GOOD, THEY BAD" much less attempt to understand a villain's actions
Clementine has lost her parents, Omid, quite possibly a baby, her protector in the early days of the apocalypse, and her protector of two years, but she doesn't beat people up and shout at everyone.
There are valid justifications and explanations for some of Kenny's actions - 'he's been through a lot' isn't one of them.
I think Kenny does care for Clementine.
I think Kenny did care about her, but was dealing with insanity.
And given what he went through in S1, and S2, that type of loss and trauma would be enough to drive anyone crazy.
How often did he actually drink?
Only 1 time did we ever see him drunk, and that was in episode 5 of season 1.
After that time, we never see him take another swig, even when the group was passing the bottle around in S2, during Luke's birthday.
You know if I had to label Kenny, I would say that he is a man that probably never really fit in anywhere.
That he always the type of person that even though he had appealing qualities, just never was really a crowd favorite.
I would say that a person like Kenny, probably never has had to many close friends.
And that he got somewhat use to being a lone-wolf, if you will.
That his opinions never did carry much weight with people.
As a quick example, if you as Lee do not support any of his ideas, nobody else does either.
I sorta agree with you, Kenny may have had some strength in his favor during the Jane fight, but Jane did have a knife. Its also possible sh… moree could be faster than him + number of other factors. Its hard to say Kenny would win just from pure strength, it would depend on the situation, like in the game. Kenny is laying on top of Jane, trying to stab her, and Kenny's strength is to much and he wins.
Plus, Jane just showing up out of pretty much nowhere, and then being able to cause so much trouble, to me just isn't logical. I would think that Kenny and Luke battling it out would be far more likely, given that they pretty much butted heads from the start.
And yes... Luke V Kenny should have happened
Clementine has lost her parents, Omid, quite possibly a baby, her protector in the early days of the apocalypse, and her protector of two ye… morears, but she doesn't beat people up and shout at everyone.
There are valid justifications and explanations for some of Kenny's actions - 'he's been through a lot' isn't one of them.
Thats what I was trying to say. The "well, he has lost people" excuse whenever he does something horrible has never flown with me. His behavior was problematic from day one, he just got worse as time went on.
Clementine has lost her parents, Omid, quite possibly a baby, her protector in the early days of the apocalypse, and her protector of two ye… morears, but she doesn't beat people up and shout at everyone.
There are valid justifications and explanations for some of Kenny's actions - 'he's been through a lot' isn't one of them.
I have lived around people with PTSD all my life.
Some of them are war veterans, while others are products of traumatic childhoods.
The signs and symptoms of such a disorder are not pretty.
They're ugly!
And I have strong sense of compassion, when it comes to these unfortunates.
I would say, that Kenny's character is suffering from this disorder.
Clementine has lost her parents, Omid, quite possibly a baby, her protector in the early days of the apocalypse, and her protector of two ye… morears, but she doesn't beat people up and shout at everyone.
There are valid justifications and explanations for some of Kenny's actions - 'he's been through a lot' isn't one of them.
I cant believe how soft people are. I as Clem stood by Kenny and egged him on to beat Arvo and kill him. I dont remember getting hit since I didnt get involved.
Arvo promised them shelter, instead they got a house with no windows or finished walls. he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him. Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
And Kenny is right about Wellington as we see at the end. He is the one that fixed the car. He is the one that took in the group and got his group killed because of his kindness. Bonnie caused the death of his girlfriend and partner, yet he held no grudge against her.
I think everyone hates Kenny because Kenny is an actual Character who doesnt let you push him all over the place. Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you.
Same with season 1 Kenny. People just want someone to agree with them no matter how idiotic their decision is and any opposition meets extreme hostility and hate of character.
I cant believe how soft people are. I as Clem stood by Kenny and egged him on to beat Arvo and kill him. I dont remember getting hit since I… more didnt get involved.
Arvo promised them shelter, instead they got a house with no windows or finished walls. he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him. Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
And Kenny is right about Wellington as we see at the end. He is the one that fixed the car. He is the one that took in the group and got his group killed because of his kindness. Bonnie caused the death of his girlfriend and partner, yet he held no grudge against her.
I think everyone hates Kenny because Kenny is an actual Character who doesnt let you push him all over the place. Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you.
Same with season 1 Kenny. People just want someone to agree with t… [view original content]
I cant believe people think that if you dont egg a grown man on to beat up a crippled teenager, then you're soft. That kind of violent attitude is what I find disturbing. Is it because so many people here are Arvo's age or younger and see him as a peer, that so few have compassion?
And the way you see Kenny is not the way I see him. He was my best friend until I didnt tow his line and then he wasnt. I mean, you saying people just want someone to agree with them is pretty ironic in that context. I hate Kenny because he turned into a petty, violent bully and for no other reason. To be honest, I found him to be mostly a disappointment because I wanted to like him again.
I cant believe how soft people are. I as Clem stood by Kenny and egged him on to beat Arvo and kill him. I dont remember getting hit since I… more didnt get involved.
Arvo promised them shelter, instead they got a house with no windows or finished walls. he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him. Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
And Kenny is right about Wellington as we see at the end. He is the one that fixed the car. He is the one that took in the group and got his group killed because of his kindness. Bonnie caused the death of his girlfriend and partner, yet he held no grudge against her.
I think everyone hates Kenny because Kenny is an actual Character who doesnt let you push him all over the place. Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you.
Same with season 1 Kenny. People just want someone to agree with t… [view original content]
Criple or not, man or woman, elderly or child, he caused deaths on purpose. His petty revenge, because someone took his gun that he kept waving led to deaths of half a dozen people. His stares and constant you will regret this attitude doesnt give him any credence when it comes to wondering if events that follow are on purpose or not.
It is true, like it or not. People playing the game want a follower, not to be a follower. While it made sense with Lee, to a certain degree, I cant see it working for a 12 yearold child.
He is neither bully nor anything else. After Arvo's "I'll get you for that" and death of Luke he acuses Arvo and all Arvo has to say is "Fuck you". And kept saying that. The only shame is Kenny didnt blow his head off
I cant believe people think that if you dont egg a grown man on to beat up a crippled teenager, then you're soft. That kind of violent attit… moreude is what I find disturbing. Is it because so many people here are Arvo's age or younger and see him as a peer, that so few have compassion?
And the way you see Kenny is not the way I see him. He was my best friend until I didnt tow his line and then he wasnt. I mean, you saying people just want someone to agree with them is pretty ironic in that context. I hate Kenny because he turned into a petty, violent bully and for no other reason. To be honest, I found him to be mostly a disappointment because I wanted to like him again.
No, its not true. Its just the way you see things, but its not the way I see it. I dont think he caused Luke's death or planned it, only tried to get away from this maniac who kept beating on him. So what, Arvo got a little defensive and defied him instead of cowering like a mouse and letting Kenny abuse him more. It showed he had some fortitude. And if you dont think Kenny's behavior is that of a classic bully, I dont know what is. He spent all season trying to force his will on everyone else. Even in season one if you dont agree with him, he takes it badly, like when he refused to help look for Clementine.
Criple or not, man or woman, elderly or child, he caused deaths on purpose. His petty revenge, because someone took his gun that he kept wav… moreing led to deaths of half a dozen people. His stares and constant you will regret this attitude doesnt give him any credence when it comes to wondering if events that follow are on purpose or not.
It is true, like it or not. People playing the game want a follower, not to be a follower. While it made sense with Lee, to a certain degree, I cant see it working for a 12 yearold child.
He is neither bully nor anything else. After Arvo's "I'll get you for that" and death of Luke he acuses Arvo and all Arvo has to say is "Fuck you". And kept saying that. The only shame is Kenny didnt blow his head off
And I think he did plan it and cause it. You will regret this, he said. Then took them across the ice into a dilapidated building.
Kenny did what he deserved.
Why should Kenny help Lee with everything Lee asks, when Lee didnt help him with everything he asked.
No, its not true. Its just the way you see things, but its not the way I see it. I dont think he caused Luke's death or planned it, only tri… moreed to get away from this maniac who kept beating on him. So what, Arvo got a little defensive and defied him instead of cowering like a mouse and letting Kenny abuse him more. It showed he had some fortitude. And if you dont think Kenny's behavior is that of a classic bully, I dont know what is. He spent all season trying to force his will on everyone else. Even in season one if you dont agree with him, he takes it badly, like when he refused to help look for Clementine.
Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you. Same with season 1 Kenny.
To be fair, Kenny will get really pissy with you episode 3 if you tried to help Larry, regardless of how you treated him prior to that choice. You can do every single possible thing in his favor (save Duck, defend him against Hershel, defend Duck in the drugstore, feed Duck, console him over Shawn's death, give Duck food, give Kenny food, side with him in all arguments), but the Larry decision will suddenly make him become extremely antagonistic towards you for a good portion of episodes 3 and 4. That isn't exactly treating him like shit, it's disagreeing with him on one single thing.
That plays a pretty big role in why people don't like him. Don't help him kill an old man? He'll start treating you like you're a bigger asshole than Larry was. I could understand him being disappointed in Lee, sure, but not doing a 180 for some people. That's why people don't like him, because they literally disagreed with him on one, maybe two points, which was enough to nullify everything else they did for him and turn him against them.
I mean look, I'm someone that likes Kenny, but that doesn't change the fact that the guy can turn into a colossal prick based on two choices out of a total of what, ten plus?
I cant believe how soft people are. I as Clem stood by Kenny and egged him on to beat Arvo and kill him. I dont remember getting hit since I… more didnt get involved.
Arvo promised them shelter, instead they got a house with no windows or finished walls. he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him. Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
And Kenny is right about Wellington as we see at the end. He is the one that fixed the car. He is the one that took in the group and got his group killed because of his kindness. Bonnie caused the death of his girlfriend and partner, yet he held no grudge against her.
I think everyone hates Kenny because Kenny is an actual Character who doesnt let you push him all over the place. Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you.
Same with season 1 Kenny. People just want someone to agree with t… [view original content]
Similar scenario as the one with Tyreese and Chris in the comics. Actually worse, because Chris didn't threaten Tyreese or his group. And could you really blame Tyreese for what he did?
Hmm. Let's see. He was supposed to be his best friend, he was dying, the girl he is supposed to care about was in danger, and two people,they just met were willing to help her. But he refused, out of childish spite.
As for Arvo, he never promised them a mansion, only shelter and food, which they got. Its not his fault Kenny wasnt satisfied.
And I think he did plan it and cause it. You will regret this, he said. Then took them across the ice into a dilapidated building.
Kenny d… moreid what he deserved.
Why should Kenny help Lee with everything Lee asks, when Lee didnt help him with everything he asked.
Exactly right. He was snapping at my Lee so much I was honestly confused, then angry. All because I wouldnt kill Larry, eventhough I did everythig else for him and his family.
Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you. Same with season 1 Kenny.
To be fair, Kenny w… moreill get really pissy with you episode 3 if you tried to help Larry, regardless of how you treated him prior to that choice. You can do every single possible thing in his favor (save Duck, defend him against Hershel, defend Duck in the drugstore, feed Duck, console him over Shawn's death, give Duck food, give Kenny food, side with him in all arguments), but the Larry decision will suddenly make him become extremely antagonistic towards you for a good portion of episodes 3 and 4. That isn't exactly treating him like shit, it's disagreeing with him on one single thing.
That plays a pretty big role in why people don't like him. Don't help him kill an old man? He'll start treating you like you're a bigger asshole than Larry was. I could understand him being disappointed in Lee, sure, but not doing a 180 for… [view original content]
Kenny helps Lee regardless in Episode 5, showing he regrets not helping him in Episode 4. In the end he can realize how much of an asshole he could've been. Besides I think the decision of coming with Lee or not in Episode 4 was only made to show consequences of your relationship with Kenny.
Hmm. Let's see. He was supposed to be his best friend, he was dying, the girl he is supposed to care about was in danger, and two people,the… morey just met were willing to help her. But he refused, out of childish spite.
As for Arvo, he never promised them a mansion, only shelter and food, which they got. Its not his fault Kenny wasnt satisfied.
Hmm. Let's see. He was supposed to be his best friend, he was dying, the girl he is supposed to care about was in danger, and two people,the… morey just met were willing to help her. But he refused, out of childish spite.
As for Arvo, he never promised them a mansion, only shelter and food, which they got. Its not his fault Kenny wasnt satisfied.
You mean he was supposed to always agree with Lee, but Lee shouldnt agree with him all the time, like in that meat locker?
He promised shelter. That is not shelter from winter.
I dare you to stay in place like that in weather like that.
Eh, for me that was too little too late. The thought should never have crossed his mind. I did think he would be redeemed by sacrificing himself for Ben and I was ready to try to start liking him again. Then season two happened and it went downhill from there.
Kenny helps Lee regardless in Episode 5, showing he regrets not helping him in Episode 4. In the end he can realize how much of an asshole h… moree could've been. Besides I think the decision of coming with Lee or not in Episode 4 was only made to show consequences of your relationship with Kenny.
Chris made a suicide pact with Julie, Tyreese's daughter. They agreed to kill each other after having sex by shooting each other in the head, but Chris killed Julie before she could kill him too, and when Tyreese found out, he beat Chris to death. Twice.
Better late than never, I think. And I actually liked S2 Kenny better than S1 Kenny. I loved his relationship with Clem and how he tried so hard to protect her to honor Lee. I agree he can be an asshole sometimes, but his heart is in the right place and he loves Clem.
Eh, for me that was too little too late. The thought should never have crossed his mind. I did think he would be redeemed by sacrificing him… moreself for Ben and I was ready to try to start liking him again. Then season two happened and it went downhill from there.
he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him.
In terms of the shootout and the lake, you have zero proof of this. They're nothing but assumptions. When will you people learn; you can't kill someone over nothing but an assumption.
His stares and constant you will regret this attitude doesnt give him any credence when it comes to wondering if events that follow are on purpose or not.
Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
Lol why do you guys keep trying to use Arvo's "death stares" as "evidence?" Since when do you know exactly what Arvo was thinking simply from his facial expression? Since when do you know exactly what anyone is thinking simply from their facial expressions? You can't beat someone to death when your only evidence is, "Yeah, I'm pretty sure he probably wanted to get revenge, but you know, I have no way of knowing for 100% sure," and "He looked at me the wrong way. Therefore he must die." Don't you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
You know who also gave Clem "death stares?" Russell, Wyatt, and Becca in "In Harm's Way." Therefore they want Clem to die too right, according to your logic? The difference between these 400 Days characters and Arvo is the game simply never gave us a chance to hear Arvo's side of the story, and whether Arvo really truly did want revenge on Clem's group, or not.
It is true, like it or not. People playing the game want a follower, not to be a follower.
Lol no? Since when is this true of all players, be they people who sided with Kenny or not?
Arvo has to say is "Fuck you". And kept saying that. The only shame is Kenny didnt blow his head off
You know what this scene reminds me of?
Similar to:
Arvo saying, "Fuck you," to Kenny, and then getting his face beaten in when he's defenseless, and
Kenny saying, "Heh. Fucker," to Carver, and then getting his face beaten in when he's defenseless.
Depending on your interpretation, it's yet another parallel the game was making between Kenny and Carver.
Criple or not, man or woman, elderly or child, he caused deaths on purpose. His petty revenge, because someone took his gun that he kept wav… moreing led to deaths of half a dozen people. His stares and constant you will regret this attitude doesnt give him any credence when it comes to wondering if events that follow are on purpose or not.
It is true, like it or not. People playing the game want a follower, not to be a follower. While it made sense with Lee, to a certain degree, I cant see it working for a 12 yearold child.
He is neither bully nor anything else. After Arvo's "I'll get you for that" and death of Luke he acuses Arvo and all Arvo has to say is "Fuck you". And kept saying that. The only shame is Kenny didnt blow his head off
Larry is a jackass though. Twice the jackass Kenny has ever been for me. I can't comprehend why on Earth anyone would want to save Larry after he knocked Lee the fuck out unprovoked and left him for dead. That's just being moral for the sake of being moral, which isn't a good way to play the game imo. It does seem like Kenny's jackassery is based on a lot of choices the player makes though. I don't know how much of a jerk he became after the Larry thing, because I wouldn't have saved Larry no matter what Kenny thought.
Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you. Same with season 1 Kenny.
To be fair, Kenny w… moreill get really pissy with you episode 3 if you tried to help Larry, regardless of how you treated him prior to that choice. You can do every single possible thing in his favor (save Duck, defend him against Hershel, defend Duck in the drugstore, feed Duck, console him over Shawn's death, give Duck food, give Kenny food, side with him in all arguments), but the Larry decision will suddenly make him become extremely antagonistic towards you for a good portion of episodes 3 and 4. That isn't exactly treating him like shit, it's disagreeing with him on one single thing.
That plays a pretty big role in why people don't like him. Don't help him kill an old man? He'll start treating you like you're a bigger asshole than Larry was. I could understand him being disappointed in Lee, sure, but not doing a 180 for… [view original content]
I did it for Lilly because I didnt want to see her father die in front of her without at least trying something. It doesnt matter how big of a jackass Larry was.
Larry is a jackass though. Twice the jackass Kenny has ever been for me. I can't comprehend why on Earth anyone would want to save Larry aft… moreer he knocked Lee the fuck out unprovoked and left him for dead. That's just being moral for the sake of being moral, which isn't a good way to play the game imo. It does seem like Kenny's jackassery is based on a lot of choices the player makes though. I don't know how much of a jerk he became after the Larry thing, because I wouldn't have saved Larry no matter what Kenny thought.
I remember that but Im not sure how the Arvo situation parralels. Tyreese had a completely understandable reaction, although I hesitate to say I agree with beating someone to death.
Chris made a suicide pact with Julie, Tyreese's daughter. They agreed to kill each other after having sex by shooting each other in the head… more, but Chris killed Julie before she could kill him too, and when Tyreese found out, he beat Chris to death. Twice.
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I sorta agree with you, Kenny may have had some strength in his favor during the Jane fight, but Jane did have a knife. Its also possible she could be faster than him + number of other factors. Its hard to say Kenny would win just from pure strength, it would depend on the situation, like in the game. Kenny is laying on top of Jane, trying to stab her, and Kenny's strength is to much and he wins.
And yes... Luke V Kenny should have happened
That is certainly possible.
I'm pretty sure it was.
Arvo snaps and shoots you, then you dream about a time when Lilly snapped and shot someone. Lee says that people are complicated and don't work how you might expect.
Seems pretty clear.
Clementine has lost her parents, Omid, quite possibly a baby, her protector in the early days of the apocalypse, and her protector of two years, but she doesn't beat people up and shout at everyone.
There are valid justifications and explanations for some of Kenny's actions - 'he's been through a lot' isn't one of them.
We see him drunk in episode 4 of season 1, I believe. When Clementine goes missing for the first time and they find her in the shed.
You know if I had to label Kenny, I would say that he is a man that probably never really fit in anywhere.
That he always the type of person that even though he had appealing qualities, just never was really a crowd favorite.
I would say that a person like Kenny, probably never has had to many close friends.
And that he got somewhat use to being a lone-wolf, if you will.
That his opinions never did carry much weight with people.
As a quick example, if you as Lee do not support any of his ideas, nobody else does either.
Indeed, that's why it makes no sense. That or he copes differently.
Thats what I was trying to say. The "well, he has lost people" excuse whenever he does something horrible has never flown with me. His behavior was problematic from day one, he just got worse as time went on.
I wish I could understand why the writers decided to make him this way. He just became intolerable to me in season 2.
Kenny just ...
I have lived around people with PTSD all my life.
Some of them are war veterans, while others are products of traumatic childhoods.
The signs and symptoms of such a disorder are not pretty.
They're ugly!
And I have strong sense of compassion, when it comes to these unfortunates.
I would say, that Kenny's character is suffering from this disorder.
Unless you play her that way.
I dont recall being able to scream at everyone and beat them up. Even when she is angry she never yells.
I cant believe how soft people are. I as Clem stood by Kenny and egged him on to beat Arvo and kill him. I dont remember getting hit since I didnt get involved.
Arvo promised them shelter, instead they got a house with no windows or finished walls. he led them over the ice on purpose and ran, hoping they will fall trough as they pursue him. Just remember the death stares he was giving Clementine all the time.
And Kenny is right about Wellington as we see at the end. He is the one that fixed the car. He is the one that took in the group and got his group killed because of his kindness. Bonnie caused the death of his girlfriend and partner, yet he held no grudge against her.
I think everyone hates Kenny because Kenny is an actual Character who doesnt let you push him all over the place. Treat him like shit and he will do the same. Treat him nicely and same happens to you.
Same with season 1 Kenny. People just want someone to agree with them no matter how idiotic their decision is and any opposition meets extreme hostility and hate of character.
Seems like a threat to me.
I agree. Besides Kenny was right all the time, about everything.
I cant believe people think that if you dont egg a grown man on to beat up a crippled teenager, then you're soft. That kind of violent attitude is what I find disturbing. Is it because so many people here are Arvo's age or younger and see him as a peer, that so few have compassion?
And the way you see Kenny is not the way I see him. He was my best friend until I didnt tow his line and then he wasnt. I mean, you saying people just want someone to agree with them is pretty ironic in that context. I hate Kenny because he turned into a petty, violent bully and for no other reason. To be honest, I found him to be mostly a disappointment because I wanted to like him again.
Criple or not, man or woman, elderly or child, he caused deaths on purpose. His petty revenge, because someone took his gun that he kept waving led to deaths of half a dozen people. His stares and constant you will regret this attitude doesnt give him any credence when it comes to wondering if events that follow are on purpose or not.
It is true, like it or not. People playing the game want a follower, not to be a follower. While it made sense with Lee, to a certain degree, I cant see it working for a 12 yearold child.
He is neither bully nor anything else. After Arvo's "I'll get you for that" and death of Luke he acuses Arvo and all Arvo has to say is "Fuck you". And kept saying that. The only shame is Kenny didnt blow his head off
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No, its not true. Its just the way you see things, but its not the way I see it. I dont think he caused Luke's death or planned it, only tried to get away from this maniac who kept beating on him. So what, Arvo got a little defensive and defied him instead of cowering like a mouse and letting Kenny abuse him more. It showed he had some fortitude. And if you dont think Kenny's behavior is that of a classic bully, I dont know what is. He spent all season trying to force his will on everyone else. Even in season one if you dont agree with him, he takes it badly, like when he refused to help look for Clementine.
A skinny kid trying to sound tough is nothing compared to actually being beaten within an inch of his life by a much bigger, older man.
And I think he did plan it and cause it. You will regret this, he said. Then took them across the ice into a dilapidated building.
Kenny did what he deserved.
Why should Kenny help Lee with everything Lee asks, when Lee didnt help him with everything he asked.
To be fair, Kenny will get really pissy with you episode 3 if you tried to help Larry, regardless of how you treated him prior to that choice. You can do every single possible thing in his favor (save Duck, defend him against Hershel, defend Duck in the drugstore, feed Duck, console him over Shawn's death, give Duck food, give Kenny food, side with him in all arguments), but the Larry decision will suddenly make him become extremely antagonistic towards you for a good portion of episodes 3 and 4. That isn't exactly treating him like shit, it's disagreeing with him on one single thing.
That plays a pretty big role in why people don't like him. Don't help him kill an old man? He'll start treating you like you're a bigger asshole than Larry was. I could understand him being disappointed in Lee, sure, but not doing a 180 for some people. That's why people don't like him, because they literally disagreed with him on one, maybe two points, which was enough to nullify everything else they did for him and turn him against them.
I mean look, I'm someone that likes Kenny, but that doesn't change the fact that the guy can turn into a colossal prick based on two choices out of a total of what, ten plus?
Similar scenario as the one with Tyreese and Chris in the comics. Actually worse, because Chris didn't threaten Tyreese or his group. And could you really blame Tyreese for what he did?
Hmm. Let's see. He was supposed to be his best friend, he was dying, the girl he is supposed to care about was in danger, and two people,they just met were willing to help her. But he refused, out of childish spite.
As for Arvo, he never promised them a mansion, only shelter and food, which they got. Its not his fault Kenny wasnt satisfied.
Exactly right. He was snapping at my Lee so much I was honestly confused, then angry. All because I wouldnt kill Larry, eventhough I did everythig else for him and his family.
Kenny helps Lee regardless in Episode 5, showing he regrets not helping him in Episode 4. In the end he can realize how much of an asshole he could've been. Besides I think the decision of coming with Lee or not in Episode 4 was only made to show consequences of your relationship with Kenny.
You mean he was supposed to always agree with Lee, but Lee shouldnt agree with him all the time, like in that meat locker?
He promised shelter. That is not shelter from winter.
I dare you to stay in place like that in weather like that.
Its been a long time since I read that comic. You will have to refresh me.
No, youre still missing the point. Its not about agreeing. Its about helping a friend when he needs you instead of putting your ego first.
Eh, for me that was too little too late. The thought should never have crossed his mind. I did think he would be redeemed by sacrificing himself for Ben and I was ready to try to start liking him again. Then season two happened and it went downhill from there.
Chris made a suicide pact with Julie, Tyreese's daughter. They agreed to kill each other after having sex by shooting each other in the head, but Chris killed Julie before she could kill him too, and when Tyreese found out, he beat Chris to death. Twice.
Better late than never, I think. And I actually liked S2 Kenny better than S1 Kenny. I loved his relationship with Clem and how he tried so hard to protect her to honor Lee. I agree he can be an asshole sometimes, but his heart is in the right place and he loves Clem.
Here's a simple tip everyone: Get over it.
In terms of the shootout and the lake, you have zero proof of this. They're nothing but assumptions. When will you people learn; you can't kill someone over nothing but an assumption.
Lol why do you guys keep trying to use Arvo's "death stares" as "evidence?" Since when do you know exactly what Arvo was thinking simply from his facial expression? Since when do you know exactly what anyone is thinking simply from their facial expressions? You can't beat someone to death when your only evidence is, "Yeah, I'm pretty sure he probably wanted to get revenge, but you know, I have no way of knowing for 100% sure," and "He looked at me the wrong way. Therefore he must die." Don't you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
You know who also gave Clem "death stares?" Russell, Wyatt, and Becca in "In Harm's Way." Therefore they want Clem to die too right, according to your logic? The difference between these 400 Days characters and Arvo is the game simply never gave us a chance to hear Arvo's side of the story, and whether Arvo really truly did want revenge on Clem's group, or not.
Lol no? Since when is this true of all players, be they people who sided with Kenny or not?
You know what this scene reminds me of?
Similar to:
Arvo saying, "Fuck you," to Kenny, and then getting his face beaten in when he's defenseless, and
Kenny saying, "Heh. Fucker," to Carver, and then getting his face beaten in when he's defenseless.
Depending on your interpretation, it's yet another parallel the game was making between Kenny and Carver.
Yeah it's all gotten a little out of hand again. Kenny really is a character people either love or despise.
Larry is a jackass though. Twice the jackass Kenny has ever been for me. I can't comprehend why on Earth anyone would want to save Larry after he knocked Lee the fuck out unprovoked and left him for dead. That's just being moral for the sake of being moral, which isn't a good way to play the game imo. It does seem like Kenny's jackassery is based on a lot of choices the player makes though. I don't know how much of a jerk he became after the Larry thing, because I wouldn't have saved Larry no matter what Kenny thought.
I did it for Lilly because I didnt want to see her father die in front of her without at least trying something. It doesnt matter how big of a jackass Larry was.
I remember that but Im not sure how the Arvo situation parralels. Tyreese had a completely understandable reaction, although I hesitate to say I agree with beating someone to death.
Get over what? Hating Kenny or talking about it?