Who is responsible for the destruction of the Cabin Group? Carver or Kenny
Who do you think is the most responsible for the destruction of the Cabin Group?
Kenny
or
Carver?
Clementine was finally going to be accepted and have a "family group" again till Kenny's dominating ass came in and practically destroyed the group. Also what was his obsession with AJ and Rebecca? Rebecca never had dialogue with Kenny on screen so why the sudden obsession with being a surrogate father to AJ?
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Nah. Cabin Group knew that Carver is out for them but they decide to settle down one place that's obvious. Kenny is only responsible for Alvin if he is reckless.
i hate AJ
Uh....Telltale >.> it was Telltale.
Telltale's bright idea to return a character from season 1.
IMO the group didn't start falling apart until Luke's death. Losing Luke drew everyone over the edge, that's when everyone started turning against each other. And no, I am not blaming Luke!
Carver. And if anything the Cabin group fucked Kenny over by bringing their problems to his doorstep.
Both men shared blame.
If Lee had been there, I don't think there would've been a disintegration of the group.
Lee was able to keep a level head, while things were going to hell all around him.
Luke too!
Personally I'd blame Carver because he was the reason the scenarios happened the way they did, Carver brought the Cabin Group, Clementine, Kenny and Sarita to Howe's whilst killing Walter and determinantly Alvin at the Lodge. Kenny's treatment of Arvo and Luke's death are what caused the group to fall apart in the end I think.
Kenny.
Writers.
The cabin group pretty much got themselves killed, in every scenario
Great arguments.
Doesn't the question ask for one of the two names?
Cabin group is responsible for failure. They got Kenny's group killed, if you dont remember
Carver and death.
Clementine was gonna have a happy family? Lmao not for me anyway. She neither trusted or liked the cabin group much despite Luke's constant attempts to be best friends.
Until Kenny's dominating ass came in... and gave the group food and shelter, before a lunatic and his crew hunting the cabin group came in, killed his guys and kidnapped him.
His obsession was with keeping the baby safe. Didn't see any kinda obsession with Rebecca.
Kenny from a writing standpoint.
Carver from a story standpoint.
Carver for being a psychopathic tyrant.
This is about the Cabin Group, Luke was the last person of this group, Everyone else is dead by that point.
Carver obviously, had he not taken them to his camp then most of the cast would be alive, but then again the cabin group brought it onto the others.
The plot
Kenny just fought back, when Bonnie was looking for the people who was inside the cabin Kenny had his suspicious about her. So everything that happened there was Carver who started it
I don't think it's fair to blame either one completely for the so-called 'destruction'. Many of the deaths in the group are not the direct result of either Carver nor Kenny. But if you really want to choose one in particular to blame, it would be Carver and his group.
I think a lot of this is fairly subjective, depending on how you personally assign blame to a person/group. You could argue Kenny's responsible for Walter and Alvin's deaths in episode 2, but someone else can argue that Carver is even more responsible for it, since he's the one that actually kills Walter and Alvin. So I guess it's up for interpretation in that sense.
But at any rate:
Pete - death is completely unrelated to Kenny, only in slight relation to Carver if you went with him in episode 1 (presumed that he or his group shot him)
Nick - death is completely unrelated to Kenny, only related to either Walter or very slightly to Carver's group, depending on his fate (Walter letting him die, Carver's group accidentally hitting him with a bullet, and Sarah running away as a result of Carlos also being shot on accident). From what you can infer from the area around where Nick died (zombie with blood on it's mouth, trail of blood leading to the fence), Nick most likely got blindsided by a zombie and bitten fatally, which led to his death and subsequent reanimation.
Alvin - death in episode 2 is related to Kenny, death in episode 3 is attributed to Carver and Hank (guard that shoots him). However, you could argue that Carver played a role in his episode 2 death as well, since if he never showed up, the hostage situation would have never occurred in the first place. Not to mention that Carver is still the one that killed Alvin, even if Kenny prompted his decision.
Carlos - The only involvement Kenny had in this death would be the fact that he took time to kill Carver, which is an indirect cause at best. Even then though, you can make the argument that the only reason that the guards on the roof starting shooting in the group's direction was because of Jane shooting Troy (gunshot + Troy's screams drawing the guards' attention to that side of the roof, especially when you note that they only started shooting from that side of the roof after Troy was shot and killed). The blame is better placed on overall bad luck, rather than any specific person/group.
Sarah - death unrelated to Kenny, unless you count Kenny as having played an indirect role in Carlos' death, which by proxy puts Kenny at indirect fault for Sarah's death as well. Can alternatively be attributed to Carver's group if you use the same association/proxy logic as with Kenny.
Rebecca - death somewhat related if you agreed to Kenny's plan to leave in the morning, but even then, it's less a result of pushing her forward as it is a combination of elements; complications from child birth, hunger, starvation, hypothermia, fatigue, general weakness. There's not one single contributing factor to Rebecca's death, but rather many. Unrelated to Carver or his group, unless you wish to argue that Carver being crazy led to their decision to escape a second time, which led to the conditions they encounter, which ultimately helped lead to her death.
Luke - Either Bonnie or Clementine play relative roles in his death. But even then, it's not their fault originally that the ice cracked, either. Neither Kenny or Carver play a role in this death, unless you argue that Kenny abusing Arvo led to him running across the ice, but that still doesn't really correlate to Luke falling through the ice. Arvo may have complicated the situation by running, but he by no means sealed Luke's fate by doing so. Luke got unlucky and stepped on a bad patch of ice.
Arguing at face value, Kenny is not directly responsible for any specific death in the cabin group. The closest one that Kenny played an active role in was Alvin's in episode 2. The other three that you could argue him playing a role in (Carlos, Sarah, Rebecca) are indirect, with varying levels of involvement.
Ergo, Carver and his group is more to blame than Kenny is, since Carver is still the one that pulls the trigger on Alvin in episode 2, or beats him badly enough that he isn't able to escape, while Carver's group are responsible for shooting Alvin and Carlos, which directly lead to their deaths. Pete is presumably shot by Carver or his group, but since Pete was bitten and either mortally wounded/zombified by then, it's more a mercy kill than anything. Nick is also shot, but it is non-fatal and doesn't play a direct role in his subsequent death, which makes it a more indirect cause. Carver's group can further be held indirectly responsible for Sarah's death due to their involvement in Carlos' death, and Rebecca can be argued as Carver and his group's fault as well, for reasons above.
Then why bring up AJ? Anyway if that's the case then no one should be blamed but Carver.
Wtf why always blaming Kenny for everything? The cabin group got Kenny in the Carver mess in the first place.
Both. And others as well.
Cause for sum dumb reason people didn't like that he survived the first season and the cool,lovin black guy goes and dies 80's style from a what should have been a survivable* wound that was treated by cutting off his arm.
It wasnt survivable. Too much time went by.
Carver.
Without Carver, there would be no need for the Cabin Group to leave the cabin, and they never would've met up with Kenny.
To be fair, the Cabin Group was responsible for the destruction of Kenny's group. The ski lodge and Kenny's group was a lot more welcoming than the Cabin and it's group. I think they killed themselves, they clearly weren't up the challenge of escaping from Carver's grasp, and none of them were capable survivors, they all had faults
Well, I wouldn't say none of them, exactly. Pete and Luke at the very least seem like pretty capable, reasonable dudes.
Pete=Death by zombie bite when he was not even distracted and watching for hidden lurkers, Luke=Death by drowning under a sheet of ice and in his case Clem bails him out from dying in two other cases before that. (Rail Bridge and Trailer cabin)
Yes....truly the most Capable Survivors of the walking dead saga. The irony here, is that they saved Clem in Episode 1...
clementine... death stalks her
Well, that was a surprisingly hostile response
Telltale
I know right! Why does everyone hate Kenny!!
Carver I guess, but they wouldon't be the cabin group without him. He spooked them out of their lovely cabin and after the unfortunate death of Pete. Bad combo for them.
I agree with White_Eyes999 with Pete, he died In one of the most facepalm ways ever, 2 years in and you get caught by an ankle biter, WHEN you senses are heightened
I'll agree Luke was the most capable there, although he did have moments where he nearly died, the rail bridge was disastrous and he seemed to struggle being reliable, e.g. Sneaking off with Jane allowing Arvo in, (and we all know what that led to.. total annihilation of the group)
Beats me! I dunno why. He's a controversial character, you either love him or hate him. Personally he's my favorite!
How is it Kenny's fault at all? He was just living peacefully in the mountain top with Sarita and the other two, when the Cabin group think its a brilliant idea to enter the home of these people, without telling them what's going on at all, risking their lives as they are hunted by a madman. It was the Cabin group's fault the entire time for BRINGING Carver, they are the reason Kenny is even in this mess...heck, they may have caused what you guys call his 'madness' anyway.
Yeah, this is practically what I've been trying to say. It's not fair to blame Kenny for everything that went wrong in this season.