I'm not sure I follow where you're coming from. You say that he made carless mistakes that cost him certain things. What things are you referencing? How is having his wife and son motivate him to keep trying to find a boat selfish? I didn't know caring for your family was selfish. Well..... he did just lose his wife and son, how did you expect him to act? The plan was to find a boat, to get to safety, Kenny in episode 4 was trying to find a boat because daylight was getting weaker. It was only Clementine who didn't want to get a boat because of her parents, so if anyones selfish, it's her.
I know that he edit not do anything wrong, but in s1, he was a man who originally made carless mistakes that do cost him certain things. He … morecared about people, but in his own selfish way. He used Duck and Katjaa as a tool to keep him going. In episode 4, with his family gone, his character changes in a negative way. He either shuts down or starts to take control over the group, a lot like lily.
I don't see how. She was sill in the majority of the scenes overshadowing the new characters. Kenny came and took a lot of the screen time y… morees, at least when he showed up, the cabin group was able to get some time to develop unlike episode 1 where it was all about how special and tough Clementine was.
they should have just made season 2 like season one, a totally original story not related to anything done before (except it being in the walking dead universe/franchise) that way not only would they not have to destroy any ambiguity or mystery from the ending of season one (by making clementine the focus of the story and a badass aswell) they could have just concentrated on storytelling without any constraints, just make the best story.
i just think as soon as they decided to continue on a story with a perfect ending, they made a bad decision that was just to difficult to make work.
She got too much in all that remains. That episode should've been the intro to the cabin group characters, not soley on her for the majority of the episode.
Uh no, in a new day, Lee was unknown and needed to be in most of the scenes, yet they still managed to develop all of those season 1 characters in a new day. toughen up? Use a quarter of the episode to show how stupid she was by leaving her gun in the toilet when she was searching, getting Omid killed, then Christas exit was mainly Clementine walking around looking for wood. Then her running away from some creepy dude. Then the next 20 minutes has her wandering the forest and then killing a dog. Then she gets locked in a shed and for a good 10-15 minutes has HER trying to find supplies. We already knew she was growing up. We didn't need her hogging the screen time just becauses shes everyone's princess. Kill her off and then we can have new characters, in fact, hopefully season 3 is a new story and doesn't have her in it. Then I might get excited like season 1 again.
All That Remains was about her and that's actually why I liked the episode. All you do is mention all that remains, and how she took the spotlight. But as soon as A House Divided comes along, she's tossed aside. Let's not forget as soon as Kenny comes along EVERYONE is tossed aside. Literally no one got any development. You want to talk about people hogging the screen, let's talk about Kenny then.
Uh no, in a new day, Lee was unknown and needed to be in most of the scenes, yet they still managed to develop all of those season 1 charact… moreers in a new day. toughen up? Use a quarter of the episode to show how stupid she was by leaving her gun in the toilet when she was searching, getting Omid killed, then Christas exit was mainly Clementine walking around looking for wood. Then her running away from some creepy dude. Then the next 20 minutes has her wandering the forest and then killing a dog. Then she gets locked in a shed and for a good 10-15 minutes has HER trying to find supplies. We already knew she was growing up. We didn't need her hogging the screen time just becauses shes everyone's princess. Kill her off and then we can have new characters, in fact, hopefully season 3 is a new story and doesn't have her in it. Then I might get excited like season 1 again.
Um, Jane took the baby, hid it, made out that It died so she could get Kenny to snap, clearly Janes fault, yet you blame Kenny ?
Absolutely, that was a horrible last minute plan cooked up by telltale for the sake of no wrong ending. I didn't need that plan. I was already convinced that I wanted to part ways with Kenny like an episode ago. I originally wanted to go with Luke, but you know ...
What you fail to understand is that Season Two was a bust because the new characters didn't get enough time to develop like season one characters did.
I fully understand. We just place the blame on two different characters. If you need more evidence on how biased it was, just look at the endings for season 2.
Kenny took over a big role yes, that was because he was a big character in season one. Yes he was always going to have a big role, but to sa… morey his soley to blame is foolish. Clementine was just as bad as Kenny was, but because it's her, people won't blame her.
Considering that both groups barely knew each other, and don't forget that Kenny had a mental breakdown from Season one (losing a wife and kid isn't the easiest thing to get over) of course his going to flip out, naturally it was going to be conflicts between 2 new groups.
Again, you fire Kenny for losing his temper but how many other characters did? Nick, Luke, Jane, Rebecca, Arvo, Mike etc.
Yet Luke actually tried to steal a radio when he was told not to and gets caught, which ends up having Kenny getting bashed taking the blame when it was Luke who stuffed up.
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Kenny took over a big role yes, that was because he was a big character in season one. Yes he was always going to have a big role, but to sa… morey his soley to blame is foolish. Clementine was just as bad as Kenny was, but because it's her, people won't blame her.
Considering that both groups barely knew each other, and don't forget that Kenny had a mental breakdown from Season one (losing a wife and kid isn't the easiest thing to get over) of course his going to flip out, naturally it was going to be conflicts between 2 new groups.
Again, you fire Kenny for losing his temper but how many other characters did? Nick, Luke, Jane, Rebecca, Arvo, Mike etc.
Yet Luke actually tried to steal a radio when he was told not to and gets caught, which ends up having Kenny getting bashed taking the blame when it was Luke who stuffed up.
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I agree with you that what they did with Luke was one of the worst decisions of the season, but how can you blame one character like Kenny for what transpired ? Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
The endings with Kenny and Clementine? Kenny can actually choose to leave and have Clementine take AJ with her. If Kenny was as selfish as you say, there wouldn't be that option. Regardless of all the endings, Kenny is only in half, Clementine is in all of the endings, so who's overshadowing again?
Um, Jane took the baby, hid it, made out that It died so she could get Kenny to snap, clearly Janes fault, yet you blame Kenny ?
Absolute… morely, that was a horrible last minute plan cooked up by telltale for the sake of no wrong ending. I didn't need that plan. I was already convinced that I wanted to part ways with Kenny like an episode ago. I originally wanted to go with Luke, but you know ...
What you fail to understand is that Season Two was a bust because the new characters didn't get enough time to develop like season one characters did.
I fully understand. We just place the blame on two different characters. If you need more evidence on how biased it was, just look at the endings for season 2.
You only want to talk about Kenny because you can't admit that Clementine stole the spotlight from all the new characters, so you try to blame Kenny, a character you probably don't like. Because If you compare the first episode of both seasons, you'll see S1 spent a lot of time on Lee, but it didn't block out the other characters like Clementine did in S2. I mean, did they really need Clementines long walks after falling in the river to finding Sam, to walking even more, to walking all over the house looking for medicine, trying to escape the shed she was locked in? The amount of time they spent having her find wood for the fire. A house Divided is manly her and Luke being together, The other main scenes are either with Nick or Pete. Pete dies and Nick ends up being screwed over after episode 2.
All That Remains was about her and that's actually why I liked the episode. All you do is mention all that remains, and how she took the spo… moretlight. But as soon as A House Divided comes along, she's tossed aside. Let's not forget as soon as Kenny comes along EVERYONE is tossed aside. Literally no one got any development. You want to talk about people hogging the screen, let's talk about Kenny then.
This is what I don't get. You claim as soon as Kenny came, everyone was tossed aside and no one got any development. Yet, none of them got development in Episode one and you admitted it was all about Clementine, and you liked it. But you don't see anything wrong with your favourite hogging the light and the new characters not getting any chance? Stop playing silly buggers buddy and admit that Clementine is just as much if not more to be blamed then Kenny.
All That Remains was about her and that's actually why I liked the episode. All you do is mention all that remains, and how she took the spo… moretlight. But as soon as A House Divided comes along, she's tossed aside. Let's not forget as soon as Kenny comes along EVERYONE is tossed aside. Literally no one got any development. You want to talk about people hogging the screen, let's talk about Kenny then.
You don't tell me if I don't like Kenny or not. I'm not admitting Clementine stole the spotlight from all the characters because she didn't. And I won't admit it because it isn't true. And no development? We just met them in episode one! When we meet the cabin survivors you already knew who you despised and who you liked. Pete and Luke started off as well characters and everyone wanted to save them. While most people disliked Rebecca, Carlos, and Nick because of how they treated Clementine. They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters which they failed at doing because Kenny came along. You want to blame Clementine because she "stole" the spotlight that she NEEDED, when Kenny stole the spotlight for four episodes. Go ahead blame Clementine, you just don't want to blame Kenny because you like him.
This is what I don't get. You claim as soon as Kenny came, everyone was tossed aside and no one got any development. Yet, none of them got d… moreevelopment in Episode one and you admitted it was all about Clementine, and you liked it. But you don't see anything wrong with your favourite hogging the light and the new characters not getting any chance? Stop playing silly buggers buddy and admit that Clementine is just as much if not more to be blamed then Kenny.
This is what I don't get. You claim as soon as Kenny came, everyone was tossed aside and no one got any development. Yet, none of them got d… moreevelopment in Episode one and you admitted it was all about Clementine, and you liked it. But you don't see anything wrong with your favourite hogging the light and the new characters not getting any chance? Stop playing silly buggers buddy and admit that Clementine is just as much if not more to be blamed then Kenny.
And you say I got defensive, lol good one champ.
If you go re play A new day and then play all that remains straight after, you come back and tell me which episode had a better overall development of characters.
All we knew from Luke was that he liked Clementine, nothing compared to the development of Carley for example, her background, the fact she had a gun, grew a proper bond with Lee, all Luke did was suck up clementines ass because she was a kid. Pete? He saves her and we learn that his an asshole to Nick, and you say he was represented as a good guy? Clearly he wasn't developed right if you think that. Yet Rebecca and Nick both were developed opposite after all that remains, great switch around unlike season one where a character didn't change their minds i.e Lily, Larry, Kenny, Christa. It has nothing to do with me liking Kenny, my hate for Clementine dates all the way back to when she caused the deaths of Lee, Ben, Chuck in season one. And she ruined the season 2 characters by being a big deal when she should've shared the spotlight with the new characters like Lee did in season one.
You don't tell me if I don't like Kenny or not. I'm not admitting Clementine stole the spotlight from all the characters because she didn't.… more And I won't admit it because it isn't true. And no development? We just met them in episode one! When we meet the cabin survivors you already knew who you despised and who you liked. Pete and Luke started off as well characters and everyone wanted to save them. While most people disliked Rebecca, Carlos, and Nick because of how they treated Clementine. They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters which they failed at doing because Kenny came along. You want to blame Clementine because she "stole" the spotlight that she NEEDED, when Kenny stole the spotlight for four episodes. Go ahead blame Clementine, you just don't want to blame Kenny because you like him.
It doesn't matter what happens, opinion vs opinion won't result in a winner. As long as telltale either starts fresh in season 3 with no clementine or season 3 has her, but she's not the playable character. Then she can be the primary character besides the playable character. Where she belongs
Thanks I know it was a good one! Anyways, this is all clearly your opinion. I disagree, we just met these people and we needed to get to know them in later episodes. We didn't, and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors. You know what, let me stop. As soon as you said you hated Clementine I should've known nothing was gonna change your mind. Bye.
And you say I got defensive, lol good one champ.
If you go re play A new day and then play all that remains straight after, you come back … moreand tell me which episode had a better overall development of characters.
All we knew from Luke was that he liked Clementine, nothing compared to the development of Carley for example, her background, the fact she had a gun, grew a proper bond with Lee, all Luke did was suck up clementines ass because she was a kid. Pete? He saves her and we learn that his an asshole to Nick, and you say he was represented as a good guy? Clearly he wasn't developed right if you think that. Yet Rebecca and Nick both were developed opposite after all that remains, great switch around unlike season one where a character didn't change their minds i.e Lily, Larry, Kenny, Christa. It has nothing to do with me liking Kenny, my hate for Clementine dates all the way back to when she caused the deaths of Lee, Ben, Chuck in season … [view original content]
Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
I technically don't blame Kenny. Of course, it's telltale that developed and created season 2. So the fault is on them for giving Kenny a very unnecessary push.
Also, did I say Luke's death was Kenny's fault? I did not. If my wording was confusing, my apologies.
I agree with you that what they did with Luke was one of the worst decisions of the season, but how can you blame one character like Kenny f… moreor what transpired ? Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
The endings with Kenny and Clementine? Kenny can actually choose to leave and have Clementine take AJ with her. If Kenny was as selfish as you say, there wouldn't be that option. Regardless of all the endings, Kenny is only in half, Clementine is in all of the endings, so who's overshadowing again?
A quick and relatively easy fix to an oft talked-about scene: kicking down the trailer door
Solution? Have Clementine use the hatchet on the door.
Hatchet + shitty wooden trailer door = shitty wooden trailer door that is now open
It accomplishes the same thing, and it's much more believable. A few good smacks near the door knob, and you're in. Even if she's a kid, it's still much more valid than her having the leg strength to bust open the door. It doesn't take as much effort to swing a sharp weapon into something.
If anything, it's a lapse of judgement that they didn't do this in the first place. I mean, they even have her use it later in the episode at the observation deck to basically do the same thing, so they don't really have an excuse here
I actually have experience with this, as I was in fact once an eleven-year-old girl lol, back in the day. It's funny because there was a point in my childhood around that time when I was pretending to be a ninja (I was just playing mind you), and I successfully kicked down one of the doors in our house (I did a running kick lol and it was epic, but I honestly wasn't expecting the door to open! When it did, I was in shock, ha.) Needless to say, my parents were pretty miffed at me.
In other words, it is possible for a little girl to kick down a door after a number of tries. Personally I'm starting to get a little annoyed at how so many people think it's absolutely positively impossible that it could happen.
Alright, to be serious
A quick and relatively easy fix to an oft talked-about scene: kicking down the trailer door
Solution? Have Clem… moreentine use the hatchet on the door.
Hatchet + shitty wooden trailer door = shitty wooden trailer door that is now open
It accomplishes the same thing, and it's much more believable. A few good smacks near the door knob, and you're in. Even if she's a kid, it's still much more valid than her having the leg strength to bust open the door. It doesn't take as much effort to swing a sharp weapon into something.
If anything, it's a lapse of judgement that they didn't do this in the first place. I mean, they even have her use it later in the episode at the observation deck to basically do the same thing, so they don't really have an excuse here
I think it's definitely do-able as well. I don't personally have a problem with that scene, but honestly, I'd rather she just hatchet it down instead. It just makes a bit more sense that way, and people wouldn't have made a big deal about it.
I actually have experience with this, as I was in fact once an eleven-year-old girl lol, back in the day. It's funny because there was a poi… morent in my childhood around that time when I was pretending to be a ninja (I was just playing mind you), and I successfully kicked down one of the doors in our house (I did a running kick lol and it was epic, but I honestly wasn't expecting the door to open! When it did, I was in shock, ha.) Needless to say, my parents were pretty miffed at me.
In other words, it is possible for a little girl to kick down a door after a number of tries. Personally I'm starting to get a little annoyed at how so many people think it's absolutely positively impossible that it could happen.
A good one being a hypocrite lol.
Haha now you're blaming Jane? I thought you said ". They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters which they failed at doing because Kenny came along". Your story changes every second pal. You don't want to blame Clementine because you're biased so you put the blame on other characters. Season 1 was miles ahead of season 2 simply by the fact that the story was better and the characters were more developed i.e (more hubs and puzzles). By the time a new day finished, you knew who was good and who was an asshole and they gave you proper reasons to hate or to like them. Your impact of who you saved impacted the rest of season unlike season two. You know Clementine hogging that first episode ruined their chance of being developed, bringing Carver a long, then Kenny, then Jane,Mike and Bonnie gave the others no chance because Clementine ruined their introductions but go ahead and run away when it gets to tough.
Thanks I know it was a good one! Anyways, this is all clearly your opinion. I disagree, we just met these people and we needed to get to kno… morew them in later episodes. We didn't, and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors. You know what, let me stop. As soon as you said you hated Clementine I should've known nothing was gonna change your mind. Bye.
So you think that the writers did a good job having Clementine walk around by herself in almost half of all that remains when in a new day, if Lee walked around, he could interact with characters and develop the other ones?
You said that you originally wanted to go with Luke and you wanted to part ways with Kenny an episode ago. You're writing clearly indicates that had it not been for Kenny, in your mind, you probably would've thought that Luke would've been at the end. Fair assumption to say?
Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
… more I technically don't blame Kenny. Of course, it's telltale that developed and created season 2. So the fault is on them for giving Kenny a very unnecessary push.
Also, did I say Luke's death was Kenny's fault? I did not. If my wording was confusing, my apologies.
I love this story! I agree, I didnt think it was as impossible as people made it seem. Plus, she looked cool doing what I call her Bigby-style door kick.
I actually have experience with this, as I was in fact once an eleven-year-old girl lol, back in the day. It's funny because there was a poi… morent in my childhood around that time when I was pretending to be a ninja (I was just playing mind you), and I successfully kicked down one of the doors in our house (I did a running kick lol and it was epic, but I honestly wasn't expecting the door to open! When it did, I was in shock, ha.) Needless to say, my parents were pretty miffed at me.
In other words, it is possible for a little girl to kick down a door after a number of tries. Personally I'm starting to get a little annoyed at how so many people think it's absolutely positively impossible that it could happen.
E1: Clem starts with Christa/Omid. Omid goes into guys bathroom, Clem helps Christa, Omid gets shot by same person, chose to shoot or spare his killer while Christa tries to revive him. Christa is nice if shoot, blames you if not. Nice Christa talk about Omid and baby's death, blaming Christa hardly talks to you at all. Get separated same way. forget dog, no dog as it had no point apart from emotional shock, bit by wolf hiding in bushes, fight it off, with knife you carry from beginning. be rescued by Luke/Pete, same meet the cabin group scene, choice about who to appeal to, get locked in shed with Luke actually guarding you, talk to Luke instead of escaping, get to know more about cabin group, bond with Luke etc. Carlos checks up on you after talk, says your good, patches you up. Chat with group around dinner, Sarah excited about new friend, Carlos not wanting her to talk to you, nick apoligise'es Rebecca glares, and threatens you after meal.... Etc. have nice longer chat with Pete on way to river, choice about to promise Pete to take care of nick, nick still moody, shot up guy gives you clue about Christa suggesting still alive if you choose to give water. Made less obvious Pete is bit. Choose who to go with.
I will continue this, for other episodes, tell me what you think
She didnt even get that entire episode to herself. She was with another group before half the episode was over. Then they had four whole episodes to develop the cabin group in.
She got too much in all that remains. That episode should've been the intro to the cabin group characters, not soley on her for the majority of the episode.
I love this story! I agree, I didnt think it was as impossible as people made it seem. Plus, she looked cool doing what I call her Bigby-style door kick.
Don't call me biased. You of all people have no right to be calling anyone biased. Your hate for Clementine blinds you from seeing the facts. You want to blame her when you know damn well Kenny took the spotlight out of anyone, that's why you got so defensive. Clementine didn't ruin anything, Kenny did. And nobodies running away, I'm just dismissing you because your argument is invalid. Bye now.
A good one being a hypocrite lol.
Haha now you're blaming Jane? I thought you said ". They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters whic… moreh they failed at doing because Kenny came along". Your story changes every second pal. You don't want to blame Clementine because you're biased so you put the blame on other characters. Season 1 was miles ahead of season 2 simply by the fact that the story was better and the characters were more developed i.e (more hubs and puzzles). By the time a new day finished, you knew who was good and who was an asshole and they gave you proper reasons to hate or to like them. Your impact of who you saved impacted the rest of season unlike season two. You know Clementine hogging that first episode ruined their chance of being developed, bringing Carver a long, then Kenny, then Jane,Mike and Bonnie gave the others no chance because Clementine ruined their introductions but go ahead and run away when it gets to tough.
I didn't blame Jane. You wanna blame Clementine for hogging the spotlight in All That Remains? Fine then you should also be blaming Kenny for taking the spotlight in A House Divided and Jane for taking the spotlight in Amid The Ruins.
Don't call me biased. You of all people have no right to be calling anyone biased. Your hate for Clementine blinds you from seeing the facts… more. You want to blame her when you know damn well Kenny took the spotlight out of anyone, that's why you got so defensive. Clementine didn't ruin anything, Kenny did. And nobodies running away, I'm just dismissing you because your argument is invalid. Bye now.
And this discussion isn't about how S1 was better than S2, it's a discussion about how Clementine apparently took the spotlight in All That Remains when she didn't.
A good one being a hypocrite lol.
Haha now you're blaming Jane? I thought you said ". They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters whic… moreh they failed at doing because Kenny came along". Your story changes every second pal. You don't want to blame Clementine because you're biased so you put the blame on other characters. Season 1 was miles ahead of season 2 simply by the fact that the story was better and the characters were more developed i.e (more hubs and puzzles). By the time a new day finished, you knew who was good and who was an asshole and they gave you proper reasons to hate or to like them. Your impact of who you saved impacted the rest of season unlike season two. You know Clementine hogging that first episode ruined their chance of being developed, bringing Carver a long, then Kenny, then Jane,Mike and Bonnie gave the others no chance because Clementine ruined their introductions but go ahead and run away when it gets to tough.
She didnt even get that entire episode to herself. She was with another group before half the episode was over. Then they had four whole episodes to develop the cabin group in.
I also LOVE how you want to call me out for bringing up Kenny, when this whole discussion started because you decided to bring up Clementine because someone already brought up Kenny.
A good one being a hypocrite lol.
Haha now you're blaming Jane? I thought you said ". They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters whic… moreh they failed at doing because Kenny came along". Your story changes every second pal. You don't want to blame Clementine because you're biased so you put the blame on other characters. Season 1 was miles ahead of season 2 simply by the fact that the story was better and the characters were more developed i.e (more hubs and puzzles). By the time a new day finished, you knew who was good and who was an asshole and they gave you proper reasons to hate or to like them. Your impact of who you saved impacted the rest of season unlike season two. You know Clementine hogging that first episode ruined their chance of being developed, bringing Carver a long, then Kenny, then Jane,Mike and Bonnie gave the others no chance because Clementine ruined their introductions but go ahead and run away when it gets to tough.
She was with christa and Omid, First part was mainly her in the toilet searching, Omid dies, then Christa and Omid in the bush, mainly focus on Clementine trying to start a fire, Christa "dies". Next it's all about Clementine running away from a guy. Next day, all about her walking around until she finds Sam, then it's all about her until she kills the dog. Walking around till she faints, gets picked up by Luke and Pete, then they come to the group, they argue, throw her in the shed, then it's all about her walking around and in the cabin to find supplies unless you talk to Sarah and maybe Alvin. Get back in the shed, fix herself up, attack and kill the walker, then she's inside and focus is all about her when Luke talks to her exepct when they say about Nicks mum being killed. Next day Pete, Nick and Her finding bodies and then choosing between who to save. Compare that to what Lee got in a new day and I think you'll find that she got way more solo time then Lee got.
She didnt even get that entire episode to herself. She was with another group before half the episode was over. Then they had four whole episodes to develop the cabin group in.
Don't call me biased. You of all people have no right to be calling anyone biased. Your hate for Clementine blinds you from seeing the facts… more. You want to blame her when you know damn well Kenny took the spotlight out of anyone, that's why you got so defensive. Clementine didn't ruin anything, Kenny did. And nobodies running away, I'm just dismissing you because your argument is invalid. Bye now.
" and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors" Not blaming Jane eh?
A house divided, Kenny came in the middle to end of the episode. Even when he came, you can still talk to the rest of the group inside the lodge, and Walter has more impact then Kenny does with what happened to his friend, it's all about Clementine exploring the lodge and Kenny having a confortation with Luke and Nick. Of course Kenny was going to have more dialogue, he was reunited with Clementine, is he not aloud to met Clementine again? Now that I've said that, you can finally admite Clementine hogged all that remains, and all those scenes of her wandering around alone, should have been the cabin group being developed.
I didn't blame Jane. You wanna blame Clementine for hogging the spotlight in All That Remains? Fine then you should also be blaming Kenny for taking the spotlight in A House Divided and Jane for taking the spotlight in Amid The Ruins.
My comment about S1 being better was response that Lee in the first episode of S1 wasn't soley on him, Even when escaped the wreck and the walker cop, he is only alone for 5 minutes until he meets clementine, where as Clementine is by herself way longer then that.
And this discussion isn't about how S1 was better than S2, it's a discussion about how Clementine apparently took the spotlight in All That Remains when she didn't.
I replied to a person who said less Kenny and S2 would've been better by saying less Clementine and more development in S2's character would've been better, all true things. I was adding on what was overshadowed S2 more IMO. Am I not allowed to have an opinion?
I also LOVE how you want to call me out for bringing up Kenny, when this whole discussion started because you decided to bring up Clementine because someone already brought up Kenny.
" and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors" Not blaming Jane eh?
A house divided, Kenny cam… moree in the middle to end of the episode. Even when he came, you can still talk to the rest of the group inside the lodge, and Walter has more impact then Kenny does with what happened to his friend, it's all about Clementine exploring the lodge and Kenny having a confortation with Luke and Nick. Of course Kenny was going to have more dialogue, he was reunited with Clementine, is he not aloud to met Clementine again? Now that I've said that, you can finally admite Clementine hogged all that remains, and all those scenes of her wandering around alone, should have been the cabin group being developed.
I replied to a person who said less Kenny and S2 would've been better by saying less Clementine and more development in S2's character would… more've been better, all true things. I was adding on what was overshadowed S2 more IMO. Am I not allowed to have an opinion?
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I'm not sure I follow where you're coming from. You say that he made carless mistakes that cost him certain things. What things are you referencing? How is having his wife and son motivate him to keep trying to find a boat selfish? I didn't know caring for your family was selfish. Well..... he did just lose his wife and son, how did you expect him to act? The plan was to find a boat, to get to safety, Kenny in episode 4 was trying to find a boat because daylight was getting weaker. It was only Clementine who didn't want to get a boat because of her parents, so if anyones selfish, it's her.
She's in the majority of the scenes because she's playable.... And we needed episode one to see how Clementine "toughened up".
I wholeheartedly disagree with the first part. I didnt think she got enough focus.
they should have just made season 2 like season one, a totally original story not related to anything done before (except it being in the walking dead universe/franchise) that way not only would they not have to destroy any ambiguity or mystery from the ending of season one (by making clementine the focus of the story and a badass aswell) they could have just concentrated on storytelling without any constraints, just make the best story.
i just think as soon as they decided to continue on a story with a perfect ending, they made a bad decision that was just to difficult to make work.
She got too much in all that remains. That episode should've been the intro to the cabin group characters, not soley on her for the majority of the episode.
Uh no, in a new day, Lee was unknown and needed to be in most of the scenes, yet they still managed to develop all of those season 1 characters in a new day. toughen up? Use a quarter of the episode to show how stupid she was by leaving her gun in the toilet when she was searching, getting Omid killed, then Christas exit was mainly Clementine walking around looking for wood. Then her running away from some creepy dude. Then the next 20 minutes has her wandering the forest and then killing a dog. Then she gets locked in a shed and for a good 10-15 minutes has HER trying to find supplies. We already knew she was growing up. We didn't need her hogging the screen time just becauses shes everyone's princess. Kill her off and then we can have new characters, in fact, hopefully season 3 is a new story and doesn't have her in it. Then I might get excited like season 1 again.
All That Remains was about her and that's actually why I liked the episode. All you do is mention all that remains, and how she took the spotlight. But as soon as A House Divided comes along, she's tossed aside. Let's not forget as soon as Kenny comes along EVERYONE is tossed aside. Literally no one got any development. You want to talk about people hogging the screen, let's talk about Kenny then.
Um, Jane took the baby, hid it, made out that It died so she could get Kenny to snap, clearly Janes fault, yet you blame Kenny ?
Absolutely, that was a horrible last minute plan cooked up by telltale for the sake of no wrong ending. I didn't need that plan. I was already convinced that I wanted to part ways with Kenny like an episode ago. I originally wanted to go with Luke, but you know
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What you fail to understand is that Season Two was a bust because the new characters didn't get enough time to develop like season one characters did.
I fully understand. We just place the blame on two different characters. If you need more evidence on how biased it was, just look at the endings for season 2.
But then again, how was Clementine just as bad as Kenny? Not even close.
I agree with you that what they did with Luke was one of the worst decisions of the season, but how can you blame one character like Kenny for what transpired ? Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
The endings with Kenny and Clementine? Kenny can actually choose to leave and have Clementine take AJ with her. If Kenny was as selfish as you say, there wouldn't be that option. Regardless of all the endings, Kenny is only in half, Clementine is in all of the endings, so who's overshadowing again?
You only want to talk about Kenny because you can't admit that Clementine stole the spotlight from all the new characters, so you try to blame Kenny, a character you probably don't like. Because If you compare the first episode of both seasons, you'll see S1 spent a lot of time on Lee, but it didn't block out the other characters like Clementine did in S2. I mean, did they really need Clementines long walks after falling in the river to finding Sam, to walking even more, to walking all over the house looking for medicine, trying to escape the shed she was locked in? The amount of time they spent having her find wood for the fire. A house Divided is manly her and Luke being together, The other main scenes are either with Nick or Pete. Pete dies and Nick ends up being screwed over after episode 2.
This is what I don't get. You claim as soon as Kenny came, everyone was tossed aside and no one got any development. Yet, none of them got development in Episode one and you admitted it was all about Clementine, and you liked it. But you don't see anything wrong with your favourite hogging the light and the new characters not getting any chance? Stop playing silly buggers buddy and admit that Clementine is just as much if not more to be blamed then Kenny.
You don't tell me if I don't like Kenny or not. I'm not admitting Clementine stole the spotlight from all the characters because she didn't. And I won't admit it because it isn't true. And no development? We just met them in episode one! When we meet the cabin survivors you already knew who you despised and who you liked. Pete and Luke started off as well characters and everyone wanted to save them. While most people disliked Rebecca, Carlos, and Nick because of how they treated Clementine. They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters which they failed at doing because Kenny came along. You want to blame Clementine because she "stole" the spotlight that she NEEDED, when Kenny stole the spotlight for four episodes. Go ahead blame Clementine, you just don't want to blame Kenny because you like him.
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And you say I got defensive, lol good one champ.
If you go re play A new day and then play all that remains straight after, you come back and tell me which episode had a better overall development of characters.
All we knew from Luke was that he liked Clementine, nothing compared to the development of Carley for example, her background, the fact she had a gun, grew a proper bond with Lee, all Luke did was suck up clementines ass because she was a kid. Pete? He saves her and we learn that his an asshole to Nick, and you say he was represented as a good guy? Clearly he wasn't developed right if you think that. Yet Rebecca and Nick both were developed opposite after all that remains, great switch around unlike season one where a character didn't change their minds i.e Lily, Larry, Kenny, Christa. It has nothing to do with me liking Kenny, my hate for Clementine dates all the way back to when she caused the deaths of Lee, Ben, Chuck in season one. And she ruined the season 2 characters by being a big deal when she should've shared the spotlight with the new characters like Lee did in season one.
It doesn't matter what happens, opinion vs opinion won't result in a winner. As long as telltale either starts fresh in season 3 with no clementine or season 3 has her, but she's not the playable character. Then she can be the primary character besides the playable character. Where she belongs
Thanks I know it was a good one! Anyways, this is all clearly your opinion. I disagree, we just met these people and we needed to get to know them in later episodes. We didn't, and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors. You know what, let me stop. As soon as you said you hated Clementine I should've known nothing was gonna change your mind. Bye.
Obviously you didn't like Kenny, fair enough. But don't put the blame on a character you don't like when others were just as in the wrong.
I technically don't blame Kenny. Of course, it's telltale that developed and created season 2. So the fault is on them for giving Kenny a very unnecessary push.
Also, did I say Luke's death was Kenny's fault? I did not. If my wording was confusing, my apologies.
Alright, to be serious
A quick and relatively easy fix to an oft talked-about scene: kicking down the trailer door
Solution? Have Clementine use the hatchet on the door.
Hatchet + shitty wooden trailer door = shitty wooden trailer door that is now open
It accomplishes the same thing, and it's much more believable. A few good smacks near the door knob, and you're in. Even if she's a kid, it's still much more valid than her having the leg strength to bust open the door. It doesn't take as much effort to swing a sharp weapon into something.
If anything, it's a lapse of judgement that they didn't do this in the first place. I mean, they even have her use it later in the episode at the observation deck to basically do the same thing, so they don't really have an excuse here
I actually have experience with this, as I was in fact once an eleven-year-old girl lol, back in the day. It's funny because there was a point in my childhood around that time when I was pretending to be a ninja (I was just playing mind you), and I successfully kicked down one of the doors in our house (I did a running kick lol and it was epic, but I honestly wasn't expecting the door to open! When it did, I was in shock, ha.) Needless to say, my parents were pretty miffed at me.
In other words, it is possible for a little girl to kick down a door after a number of tries. Personally I'm starting to get a little annoyed at how so many people think it's absolutely positively impossible that it could happen.
I think it's definitely do-able as well. I don't personally have a problem with that scene, but honestly, I'd rather she just hatchet it down instead. It just makes a bit more sense that way, and people wouldn't have made a big deal about it.
A good one being a hypocrite lol.
Haha now you're blaming Jane? I thought you said ". They had 4 EPISODES to develop these characters which they failed at doing because Kenny came along". Your story changes every second pal. You don't want to blame Clementine because you're biased so you put the blame on other characters. Season 1 was miles ahead of season 2 simply by the fact that the story was better and the characters were more developed i.e (more hubs and puzzles). By the time a new day finished, you knew who was good and who was an asshole and they gave you proper reasons to hate or to like them. Your impact of who you saved impacted the rest of season unlike season two. You know Clementine hogging that first episode ruined their chance of being developed, bringing Carver a long, then Kenny, then Jane,Mike and Bonnie gave the others no chance because Clementine ruined their introductions but go ahead and run away when it gets to tough.
So you think that the writers did a good job having Clementine walk around by herself in almost half of all that remains when in a new day, if Lee walked around, he could interact with characters and develop the other ones?
You said that you originally wanted to go with Luke and you wanted to part ways with Kenny an episode ago. You're writing clearly indicates that had it not been for Kenny, in your mind, you probably would've thought that Luke would've been at the end. Fair assumption to say?
I love this story! I agree, I didnt think it was as impossible as people made it seem. Plus, she looked cool doing what I call her Bigby-style door kick.
Here's what I think will fix it
E1: Clem starts with Christa/Omid. Omid goes into guys bathroom, Clem helps Christa, Omid gets shot by same person, chose to shoot or spare his killer while Christa tries to revive him. Christa is nice if shoot, blames you if not. Nice Christa talk about Omid and baby's death, blaming Christa hardly talks to you at all. Get separated same way. forget dog, no dog as it had no point apart from emotional shock, bit by wolf hiding in bushes, fight it off, with knife you carry from beginning. be rescued by Luke/Pete, same meet the cabin group scene, choice about who to appeal to, get locked in shed with Luke actually guarding you, talk to Luke instead of escaping, get to know more about cabin group, bond with Luke etc. Carlos checks up on you after talk, says your good, patches you up. Chat with group around dinner, Sarah excited about new friend, Carlos not wanting her to talk to you, nick apoligise'es Rebecca glares, and threatens you after meal.... Etc. have nice longer chat with Pete on way to river, choice about to promise Pete to take care of nick, nick still moody, shot up guy gives you clue about Christa suggesting still alive if you choose to give water. Made less obvious Pete is bit. Choose who to go with.
I will continue this, for other episodes, tell me what you think
She didnt even get that entire episode to herself. She was with another group before half the episode was over. Then they had four whole episodes to develop the cabin group in.
Hehe thanks, I like it too! XD And lol "Bigby-style door kick," love it. ^^
Don't call me biased. You of all people have no right to be calling anyone biased. Your hate for Clementine blinds you from seeing the facts. You want to blame her when you know damn well Kenny took the spotlight out of anyone, that's why you got so defensive. Clementine didn't ruin anything, Kenny did. And nobodies running away, I'm just dismissing you because your argument is invalid. Bye now.
I didn't blame Jane. You wanna blame Clementine for hogging the spotlight in All That Remains? Fine then you should also be blaming Kenny for taking the spotlight in A House Divided and Jane for taking the spotlight in Amid The Ruins.
And this discussion isn't about how S1 was better than S2, it's a discussion about how Clementine apparently took the spotlight in All That Remains when she didn't.
Thank you.
I also LOVE how you want to call me out for bringing up Kenny, when this whole discussion started because you decided to bring up Clementine because someone already brought up Kenny.
She was with christa and Omid, First part was mainly her in the toilet searching, Omid dies, then Christa and Omid in the bush, mainly focus on Clementine trying to start a fire, Christa "dies". Next it's all about Clementine running away from a guy. Next day, all about her walking around until she finds Sam, then it's all about her until she kills the dog. Walking around till she faints, gets picked up by Luke and Pete, then they come to the group, they argue, throw her in the shed, then it's all about her walking around and in the cabin to find supplies unless you talk to Sarah and maybe Alvin. Get back in the shed, fix herself up, attack and kill the walker, then she's inside and focus is all about her when Luke talks to her exepct when they say about Nicks mum being killed. Next day Pete, Nick and Her finding bodies and then choosing between who to save. Compare that to what Lee got in a new day and I think you'll find that she got way more solo time then Lee got.
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" and instead characters like Kenny and Jane took the spotlight off of the cabin survivors" Not blaming Jane eh?
A house divided, Kenny came in the middle to end of the episode. Even when he came, you can still talk to the rest of the group inside the lodge, and Walter has more impact then Kenny does with what happened to his friend, it's all about Clementine exploring the lodge and Kenny having a confortation with Luke and Nick. Of course Kenny was going to have more dialogue, he was reunited with Clementine, is he not aloud to met Clementine again? Now that I've said that, you can finally admite Clementine hogged all that remains, and all those scenes of her wandering around alone, should have been the cabin group being developed.
My comment about S1 being better was response that Lee in the first episode of S1 wasn't soley on him, Even when escaped the wreck and the walker cop, he is only alone for 5 minutes until he meets clementine, where as Clementine is by herself way longer then that.
I replied to a person who said less Kenny and S2 would've been better by saying less Clementine and more development in S2's character would've been better, all true things. I was adding on what was overshadowed S2 more IMO. Am I not allowed to have an opinion?
Resulting to calling people idiots? Your not worth my time. Go, I'm done with you. Believe whatever you want to believe idc.
I'm not admitting anything, especially to someone of the likes of you.
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