Guys please stop arguing! Most of the writing and all character development was very poor in season 2. They should and could have developed … morethe characters more and if the episodes were as long as season 1 they could have but they were poor and short! The fact we could hardy interact with any of the characters was a problem too. Whenever you could talk to someone, it just virtually chooses the dialogue for us, we didn't get to ask the characters anything. They didn't give us that freedom.
But anyway lets just drop the arguments about this
Yes, what extra help? If I agree with someone's comments, I'll say so. Havent you done the same, Mrwalto69? Same thing if I disagree. Thats what these forums are for. What is this combative attitude for? This argument is getting kind of out of hand imo.
To try and prove me wrong. Because you never admitted that Clementine was a screen hog. So you wait for someone to come on and try to justify that Clementine was wrongly done by.
I agree with people yes I do. What I don't do is try to get in between an argument between 2 people like you have done. This a forum that is suppose to express peoples OPINIONS. But I have an opinion about Clementine, and you people who enjoy her, can't admit that she was a screen hog, so you put the blame on other characters (NOHATCLEM firstly blamed Kenny, then blamed Jane, then tried to say they didn't blame Jane). I admitted that Kenny did take some time away from the new characters but the fact that you 2 can't admit Clementine did the same when it's clearly obvious playing the season she did, then it shows that you people don't know how to write on a public forum.
Yes, what extra help? If I agree with someone's comments, I'll say so. Havent you done the same, Mrwalto69? Same thing if I disagree. Thats … morewhat these forums are for. What is this combative attitude for? This argument is getting kind of out of hand imo.
It seems you dont understand how forums work. Theyre not all about having private arguments that people "get in the middle of". You seem angry when someone agrees with someone that doesnt agree with you so you call it taking sides. Its all getting pretty ridiculous. People should feel free to respond how they want without feeling like theyre getting in the middle of a battle.
As for admitting Clementine is a screen hog, why would I admit to something that I dont believe? Ive already said why. Clementine is meant to be the focus of the season, so how can she possibly hog it? It would be pretty strange to play as her and not have her be in most of the scenes.
You cant beat people down with your opinions, no matter how strongly you feel about it. You cant try to make them admit to something they dont think is true. Now can we put this to bed?
To try and prove me wrong. Because you never admitted that Clementine was a screen hog. So you wait for someone to come on and try to justify that Clementine was wrongly done by.
So now your saying that I waited for someone to help me? I'm not admitting that Clementine was a screen hog because I don't believe she was. This whole discussion was between me and you, KCohere just stated her opinion. I agreed with it because she saw where I was coming from. Not once did I anticipate the help of others to argue with you.
To try and prove me wrong. Because you never admitted that Clementine was a screen hog. So you wait for someone to come on and try to justify that Clementine was wrongly done by.
What you don't get is how we have opinions, and you constantly tell us to admit clementine was a screen hog. Your stating she was as if it was factual. It isn't.
I agree with people yes I do. What I don't do is try to get in between an argument between 2 people like you have done. This a forum that is… more suppose to express peoples OPINIONS. But I have an opinion about Clementine, and you people who enjoy her, can't admit that she was a screen hog, so you put the blame on other characters (NOHATCLEM firstly blamed Kenny, then blamed Jane, then tried to say they didn't blame Jane). I admitted that Kenny did take some time away from the new characters but the fact that you 2 can't admit Clementine did the same when it's clearly obvious playing the season she did, then it shows that you people don't know how to write on a public forum.
So now your saying that I waited for someone to help me? I'm not admitting that Clementine was a screen hog because I don't believe she was.… more This whole discussion was between me and you, KCohere just stated her opinion. I agreed with it because she saw where I was coming from. Not once did I anticipate the help of others to argue with you.
You have a point on Ben. Ben is one of the most realistic characters in my opinion. This guy represents any person that's hesitant and yet he gets hated. What he did to Kenny is what Kenny did to Lilly and that is just fucking bullshit. I guess the almighty Plot card is on Clementine's favor since she is competent and not Duck... who is a plot device.
Anyway, Christa should be in Season 3. She deserves it a whole lot.
Funny how you mention the sewers, yet you failed to realise that I was comparing Lee's screen time in the first episode of S1 to Clementines… more in S2's first episode. Everytime Lee wander around i.e at hershels farm or inside the pharmacy, he always was talking to people. The main focus was him yes, but every other character wasn't left out unless you decide to ignore them (though on Hershels, you have to talk to the other people) where as in all that remains, Clementine has scenes of being just her, i.e the camp fire, walking around the next day, finding sam, walking around more after Sam dies and trying to find supplies for her arm. But if you want to mention the sewers then okay. Lee had a lone time in that yes. I just watched 2 play throughs of the scene from Lee falling in the sewer to meeting Vernon and his group,it takes around 7 minutes. NOW, I watched the scene from Clementine waking up the next day after losing Christa, to meeting Luke… [view original content]
Not at all. I get annoyed when people join in with someone and don't admit something that is real and does the same thing in saying something that isn't true.
By your logic, why am I not getting the benefit of the doubt? I say Clementine hogged the spot light, you say she didn't and I'm wrong? Hypocrite?
Again, Lee was the same as Clementine yet was he the focus of season one? No, he had a storyline behind him but so did all the other characters, that's what made S1 better then S2 all different plot holes. S2 had plot holes but cared more for Clementine then anything else. I was expecting her to be like Lee. Have it focus on her but also more with the new charatcers. Explore Nicks mum and his hate more, Rebecca and Alvin more, Sarah and Carlos more. They were all briefly mentioned but never properly done like Kenny and his family or Clementine in S1 or Lily and Larry, Carleys affection with Lee etc.
I never said I wanted to "beat you" what are we in grade 1? If you can't admit that focusing the majority of the time on Clementine effected how S2's characters were developed then you really are biased.
It seems you dont understand how forums work. Theyre not all about having private arguments that people "get in the middle of". You seem ang… morery when someone agrees with someone that doesnt agree with you so you call it taking sides. Its all getting pretty ridiculous. People should feel free to respond how they want without feeling like theyre getting in the middle of a battle.
As for admitting Clementine is a screen hog, why would I admit to something that I dont believe? Ive already said why. Clementine is meant to be the focus of the season, so how can she possibly hog it? It would be pretty strange to play as her and not have her be in most of the scenes.
You cant beat people down with your opinions, no matter how strongly you feel about it. You cant try to make them admit to something they dont think is true. Now can we put this to bed?
I'm sure you didn't. That's why you ran straight to her thanking her for helping you. Before she came a long, you were blaming multiple characters then saying you didn't blame them. All over the shop. Clementine being focused on that much ruined S2's characters. As I said to you. Clementine being by herself in all that remains was over half the episode long. That's roughly 40-50 minutes of just her. When did Lee have that much in an episode.? Someone mentioned the sewer scene in around every corner. That was around 10 minutes of a 2+ hour episode. Nothing compared to Clementines exposure.
So now your saying that I waited for someone to help me? I'm not admitting that Clementine was a screen hog because I don't believe she was.… more This whole discussion was between me and you, KCohere just stated her opinion. I agreed with it because she saw where I was coming from. Not once did I anticipate the help of others to argue with you.
Says the person who called mine a "biased opinion". It's alright to have an opinion when it's you but mine is biased. Good job, yours is biased towards Clementine then. Tell me an episode S1 or S2 where Kenny had half and episode of just him in scenes. If you can do that then i'll eat my hat.
What you don't get is how we have opinions, and you constantly tell us to admit clementine was a screen hog. Your stating she was as if it was factual. It isn't.
You know I hated Christa but after what they did to her in S2, it was pretty fucked up.
Ben and Kenny doing that stuff was wrong and both got backlash from it, more so Ben but Clementine got told by Christa and Lee that the stranger wasn't a nice guy, 2 people in her group she trusted and Lee who had been her guardian since episode 1 and she goes behind their back which in result indirectly gets Lee killed, Ben Killed (if saved) Kenny separated and they lose the boat trying to find her yet everyone doesn't think it's wrong what she did? Biased.
You have a point on Ben. Ben is one of the most realistic characters in my opinion. This guy represents any person that's hesitant and yet h… moree gets hated. What he did to Kenny is what Kenny did to Lilly and that is just fucking bullshit. I guess the almighty Plot card is on Clementine's favor since she is competent and not Duck... who is a plot device.
Anyway, Christa should be in Season 3. She deserves it a whole lot.
Not at all. I get annoyed when people join in with someone and don't admit something that is real and does the same thing in saying somethin… moreg that isn't true.
By your logic, why am I not getting the benefit of the doubt? I say Clementine hogged the spot light, you say she didn't and I'm wrong? Hypocrite?
Again, Lee was the same as Clementine yet was he the focus of season one? No, he had a storyline behind him but so did all the other characters, that's what made S1 better then S2 all different plot holes. S2 had plot holes but cared more for Clementine then anything else. I was expecting her to be like Lee. Have it focus on her but also more with the new charatcers. Explore Nicks mum and his hate more, Rebecca and Alvin more, Sarah and Carlos more. They were all briefly mentioned but never properly done like Kenny and his family or Clementine in S1 or Lily and Larry, Carleys affection with Lee etc.
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I already explained why I thanked her, and she already said she just agreed with what I had to say. Nobody helped anyone. So off that subject. I'm not admitting anything about Clementine hogging the spotlight. She didn't in my opinion. She's the main character, she's gonna be in the majority of the scenes. They could've done a better job developing the cabin survivors in the next four episodes. But they didn't, unfortunately.
I'm sure you didn't. That's why you ran straight to her thanking her for helping you. Before she came a long, you were blaming multiple char… moreacters then saying you didn't blame them. All over the shop. Clementine being focused on that much ruined S2's characters. As I said to you. Clementine being by herself in all that remains was over half the episode long. That's roughly 40-50 minutes of just her. When did Lee have that much in an episode.? Someone mentioned the sewer scene in around every corner. That was around 10 minutes of a 2+ hour episode. Nothing compared to Clementines exposure.
Your shoving the whole "Clementine hogged the spotlight" down me and KCohere's throats. Your not changing anyone's mind. Season 2 in general was about Kenny, let's not.
Says the person who called mine a "biased opinion". It's alright to have an opinion when it's you but mine is biased. Good job, yours is bia… moresed towards Clementine then. Tell me an episode S1 or S2 where Kenny had half and episode of just him in scenes. If you can do that then i'll eat my hat.
See what I mean? I explain to you details about how Clementine was selfish and didn't give the S2 characters screen time where as Lee had his time and the other characters got plenty of time and you decide you don't want to respond to it? Normal for someone to take off when they know it's true.
And why does she agree with your opinion again? Because you both are Clementine fan girls. Okay so your opinion is that she's the main character and that it's normal for her to be in the majority of the scenes. So how come Lee was the main character but didn't have half an episode of just him walking around doing nothing? Do you think if they cut out or cut down those scenes of Clementine in all that remains, they would've had more time to develop the cabin group? Yes or no? Remember what people said about a new day? A good introduction episode on the characters, so why should an already established character get half an episode and new undeveloped characters get brief development?
I already explained why I thanked her, and she already said she just agreed with what I had to say. Nobody helped anyone. So off that subjec… moret. I'm not admitting anything about Clementine hogging the spotlight. She didn't in my opinion. She's the main character, she's gonna be in the majority of the scenes. They could've done a better job developing the cabin survivors in the next four episodes. But they didn't, unfortunately.
Why are you dodging my questions? Stop making up lies, Asking questions isn't shoving things done peoples throats. You said I don't get that people have opinions. So why call mine biased? That means that your opinion is biased towards Clementine yes? Tell me where Kenny had half an episode on just him in the scenes, S1 or S2 like Clementine did. Come on NOHAT, show me (-:
Your shoving the whole "Clementine hogged the spotlight" down me and KCohere's throats. Your not changing anyone's mind. Season 2 in general was about Kenny, let's not.
You forgot the CLEM part in my name :-) your telling me to ADMIT that Clementine took up screen time. Ummm....? Anyways you want me to tell you where Kenny had a bunch of scenes on him? should I even go into Amid The Ruins and No Going Back?
Why are you dodging my questions? Stop making up lies, Asking questions isn't shoving things done peoples throats. You said I don't get that… more people have opinions. So why call mine biased? That means that your opinion is biased towards Clementine yes? Tell me where Kenny had half an episode on just him in the scenes, S1 or S2 like Clementine did. Come on NOHAT, show me (-:
Stop calling us Clementine fangirls....that's like me calling you a blind Kenny fan. You wouldn't like it. I'm willing to say that they should've taken more time on the cabin group, sure. But they had to show how Clementine managed to get to the cabin, how she'd manage to meet Luke and Pete. I also wanted to see how'd she'd last alone, how she'll struggle. I wanted to get to know more about her. Should they have added a scene or two about the cabin group having the meeting or hell, even talking about Carver, YES! But I believe by the end of episode one, each cabin survivor had their own personality established. Luke being the "good guy" of the group. Pete being that caring, father like figure. Nick was hot-headed and was still coping with his mothers death, which caused him to be wreckless. Rebecca was a belligerent pregnant lady, that everyone hated. Sarah was a sheltered child who needed to be exposed. Carlos was an overprotective dad who became defensive as soon as his daughter is mentioned. And Alvin was another caring husband who wanted nothing but to keep his wife safe.
And why does she agree with your opinion again? Because you both are Clementine fan girls. Okay so your opinion is that she's the main chara… morecter and that it's normal for her to be in the majority of the scenes. So how come Lee was the main character but didn't have half an episode of just him walking around doing nothing? Do you think if they cut out or cut down those scenes of Clementine in all that remains, they would've had more time to develop the cabin group? Yes or no? Remember what people said about a new day? A good introduction episode on the characters, so why should an already established character get half an episode and new undeveloped characters get brief development?
You forgot the CLEM part in my name :-) your telling me to ADMIT that Clementine took up screen time. Ummm....? Anyways you want me to tell you where Kenny had a bunch of scenes on him? should I even go into Amid The Ruins and No Going Back?
You can say what you want about me, I'm not going to cry like you are. I'dsay yes I like Kenny, but I can admit when his done wrong or if his taking up screen time, where as you cannont do that. Look, I admit that Clementine needed to be tested on her own, and she did that by escaping those men who attacked Christa, that was fine, but after that, walking around for ages until she meets Sam and gets bitten. They could've had her been bitten when she met Sam like if she goes to pat him but they dragged that a long. How is Clementine walking VERY slowly being spooked by birds good for the game? Luke was shown to be caring but he was overshadowed by Clementines presence. When she's talking about HER past at the end with Luke, it's all about her, hardly anything about Luke. Pete got on well with her but that was wasted because they killed him off the same episode or at the start of the next. Yes but we didn't get to the depth of his anger or try to be friends with him. He has the meanginful scene locked with Clementine then his only relevant when he kills Matthew and that's it. And then they made Rebecca into a nice character and even her development was overshadowed by Clementine"you better be nice to ME". What does Rebeccas lies have to do with Clementine? Is Clementine a detective now? The only scene we got from Sarah was to BENEFIT Clementine, to manipulate Sarah to help her. Carlos only has the one scene where his nice or mean to Clementine. and Alvin is the biggest waste of them all,Says a few words then is only seen if Clementine ask him for help, again all circling around Clementine. If that was S1, all those characters would've had way more time to tell their story and wouldn't of been kept down by Lee .
Stop calling us Clementine fangirls....that's like me calling you a blind Kenny fan. You wouldn't like it. I'm willing to say that they shou… moreld've taken more time on the cabin group, sure. But they had to show how Clementine managed to get to the cabin, how she'd manage to meet Luke and Pete. I also wanted to see how'd she'd last alone, how she'll struggle. I wanted to get to know more about her. Should they have added a scene or two about the cabin group having the meeting or hell, even talking about Carver, YES! But I believe by the end of episode one, each cabin survivor had their own personality established. Luke being the "good guy" of the group. Pete being that caring, father like figure. Nick was hot-headed and was still coping with his mothers death, which caused him to be wreckless. Rebecca was a belligerent pregnant lady, that everyone hated. Sarah was a sheltered child who needed to be exposed. Carlos was an overprotective dad who b… [view original content]
You can say what you want about me, I'm not going to cry like you are. I'dsay yes I like Kenny, but I can admit when his done wrong or if hi… mores taking up screen time, where as you cannont do that. Look, I admit that Clementine needed to be tested on her own, and she did that by escaping those men who attacked Christa, that was fine, but after that, walking around for ages until she meets Sam and gets bitten. They could've had her been bitten when she met Sam like if she goes to pat him but they dragged that a long. How is Clementine walking VERY slowly being spooked by birds good for the game? Luke was shown to be caring but he was overshadowed by Clementines presence. When she's talking about HER past at the end with Luke, it's all about her, hardly anything about Luke. Pete got on well with her but that was wasted because they killed him off the same episode or at the start of the next. Yes but we didn't get to the depth of his anger or try t… [view original content]
You haven't answered it. You've avoided the biased question multiple times now. If I have a biased opinion like you claim I have, that means you have a biased opinion towards Clementine yes?
You haven't answered it. You've avoided the biased question multiple times now. If I have a biased opinion like you claim I have, that means you have a biased opinion towards Clementine yes?
So that means you have biased opinion towards her yes?
Also, Have you found an episode where Kenny was in it for half the episode that resolved just around him like Clementine in all that remains?
See what I mean? I explain to you details about how Clementine was selfish and didn't give the S2 characters screen time where as Lee had hi… mores time and the other characters got plenty of time and you decide you don't want to respond to it? Normal for someone to take off when they know it's true.
Indeed so.I also didn't like Christa at first for her nosiness and that she got a vote on Ben like she was there with the group long ago but later on she is cool in my opinion.
You know I hated Christa but after what they did to her in S2, it was pretty fucked up.
Ben and Kenny doing that stuff was wrong and both … moregot backlash from it, more so Ben but Clementine got told by Christa and Lee that the stranger wasn't a nice guy, 2 people in her group she trusted and Lee who had been her guardian since episode 1 and she goes behind their back which in result indirectly gets Lee killed, Ben Killed (if saved) Kenny separated and they lose the boat trying to find her yet everyone doesn't think it's wrong what she did? Biased.
No. It's an opinion. I already told you, Amid The Ruins and No Going Back. I'm willing to say Clementine was boring and bland. I'm also willing to say she was underdeveloped and unrealistic. I don't believe she was a screen hog. Anything else?
So that means you have biased opinion towards her yes?
Also, Have you found an episode where Kenny was in it for half the episode that resolved just around him like Clementine in all that remains?
So why is mine a biased one and yours isn't then? Don't come of as a hypocrite or anything. So there are sceens in ATR and NGB where he was walking around by himself for half an episoce like Clementine? Explain to me why Lee didn't hog the screen as much as her yet S1 was better developed then S2.
No. It's an opinion. I already told you, Amid The Ruins and No Going Back. I'm willing to say Clementine was boring and bland. I'm also willing to say she was underdeveloped and unrealistic. I don't believe she was a screen hog. Anything else?
Oh idk we so happen to play as her so of course there's gonna be scenes where we control her to walk around. You want to shove your opinion down everyone's throat as if it's factual. Not once have a forced you to admit anything you didn't want to. We already know S1 is better than S2. Clearly each episode being cut down to an hour played a big part.
So why is mine a biased one and yours isn't then? Don't come of as a hypocrite or anything. So there are sceens in ATR and NGB where he was … morewalking around by himself for half an episoce like Clementine? Explain to me why Lee didn't hog the screen as much as her yet S1 was better developed then S2.
All that Remains needed to be the episode to develop the new characters. Clementine was already established as a major character. She became… more the major character when Lee died, she didn't need added scenes. Season 2 characters were harshly criticized, yet it was Clementine being the main source of the problem. No way should she have overshadowed the cabin group in the first episode.
In all honestly, there wasn't any point in bringing back Kenny other than fan demand. I remember there were petitions here from the fans to bring back Kenny for season 2. Kenny's story was done in season 1 - he developed into a character that Lee can rely on and can call his friend. When he was introduced in season 2, there wasn't much character growth for him. As a result, TT wrote him as a dude who is experiencing PTSD who is hostile and dangerous to the group - they pretty much made him the main villain because there was nothing else for TT to do with the character. Season 2 goes down hill when Kenny is reintroduced in season 2 of TWD because the game focuses more on him and his PTSD than any of the other characters - I can't even remember the names of the other characters other than Craver.
I agree - I am glad that Dontnod is going with this direction of making a new story if and when they do a season 2 of Life is Strange. I feel that by continuing Clem's story, it made powerful moments like Kenny sacrificing himself to save Lee or Clementine seeing two strangers nearby in the post credits less powerful.
they should have just made season 2 like season one, a totally original story not related to anything done before (except it being in the wa… morelking dead universe/franchise) that way not only would they not have to destroy any ambiguity or mystery from the ending of season one (by making clementine the focus of the story and a badass aswell) they could have just concentrated on storytelling without any constraints, just make the best story.
i just think as soon as they decided to continue on a story with a perfect ending, they made a bad decision that was just to difficult to make work.
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But this is getting really enjoyable. I love it when mommy and daddy fight.
Disagree for the most part. But as always, to each their own.
I thought you said it was between me and you? So why would you thank her for? Needed the extra help?
I'm still holding out hope Christa is alive
Although Clem's probably going to end up watching her die
I agreed with her opinion. That it all. And what extra help?
Yes, what extra help? If I agree with someone's comments, I'll say so. Havent you done the same, Mrwalto69? Same thing if I disagree. Thats what these forums are for. What is this combative attitude for? This argument is getting kind of out of hand imo.
To try and prove me wrong. Because you never admitted that Clementine was a screen hog. So you wait for someone to come on and try to justify that Clementine was wrongly done by.
I agree with people yes I do. What I don't do is try to get in between an argument between 2 people like you have done. This a forum that is suppose to express peoples OPINIONS. But I have an opinion about Clementine, and you people who enjoy her, can't admit that she was a screen hog, so you put the blame on other characters (NOHATCLEM firstly blamed Kenny, then blamed Jane, then tried to say they didn't blame Jane). I admitted that Kenny did take some time away from the new characters but the fact that you 2 can't admit Clementine did the same when it's clearly obvious playing the season she did, then it shows that you people don't know how to write on a public forum.
It seems you dont understand how forums work. Theyre not all about having private arguments that people "get in the middle of". You seem angry when someone agrees with someone that doesnt agree with you so you call it taking sides. Its all getting pretty ridiculous. People should feel free to respond how they want without feeling like theyre getting in the middle of a battle.
As for admitting Clementine is a screen hog, why would I admit to something that I dont believe? Ive already said why. Clementine is meant to be the focus of the season, so how can she possibly hog it? It would be pretty strange to play as her and not have her be in most of the scenes.
You cant beat people down with your opinions, no matter how strongly you feel about it. You cant try to make them admit to something they dont think is true. Now can we put this to bed?
So now your saying that I waited for someone to help me? I'm not admitting that Clementine was a screen hog because I don't believe she was. This whole discussion was between me and you, KCohere just stated her opinion. I agreed with it because she saw where I was coming from. Not once did I anticipate the help of others to argue with you.
What you don't get is how we have opinions, and you constantly tell us to admit clementine was a screen hog. Your stating she was as if it was factual. It isn't.
Can you at least spoiler this argument so I don't see it everytime I come here?
You have a point on Ben. Ben is one of the most realistic characters in my opinion. This guy represents any person that's hesitant and yet he gets hated. What he did to Kenny is what Kenny did to Lilly and that is just fucking bullshit. I guess the almighty Plot card is on Clementine's favor since she is competent and not Duck... who is a plot device.
Anyway, Christa should be in Season 3. She deserves it a whole lot.
Not at all. I get annoyed when people join in with someone and don't admit something that is real and does the same thing in saying something that isn't true.
By your logic, why am I not getting the benefit of the doubt? I say Clementine hogged the spot light, you say she didn't and I'm wrong? Hypocrite?
Again, Lee was the same as Clementine yet was he the focus of season one? No, he had a storyline behind him but so did all the other characters, that's what made S1 better then S2 all different plot holes. S2 had plot holes but cared more for Clementine then anything else. I was expecting her to be like Lee. Have it focus on her but also more with the new charatcers. Explore Nicks mum and his hate more, Rebecca and Alvin more, Sarah and Carlos more. They were all briefly mentioned but never properly done like Kenny and his family or Clementine in S1 or Lily and Larry, Carleys affection with Lee etc.
I never said I wanted to "beat you" what are we in grade 1? If you can't admit that focusing the majority of the time on Clementine effected how S2's characters were developed then you really are biased.
I'm sure you didn't. That's why you ran straight to her thanking her for helping you. Before she came a long, you were blaming multiple characters then saying you didn't blame them. All over the shop. Clementine being focused on that much ruined S2's characters. As I said to you. Clementine being by herself in all that remains was over half the episode long. That's roughly 40-50 minutes of just her. When did Lee have that much in an episode.? Someone mentioned the sewer scene in around every corner. That was around 10 minutes of a 2+ hour episode. Nothing compared to Clementines exposure.
Says the person who called mine a "biased opinion". It's alright to have an opinion when it's you but mine is biased. Good job, yours is biased towards Clementine then. Tell me an episode S1 or S2 where Kenny had half and episode of just him in scenes. If you can do that then i'll eat my hat.
You know I hated Christa but after what they did to her in S2, it was pretty fucked up.
Ben and Kenny doing that stuff was wrong and both got backlash from it, more so Ben but Clementine got told by Christa and Lee that the stranger wasn't a nice guy, 2 people in her group she trusted and Lee who had been her guardian since episode 1 and she goes behind their back which in result indirectly gets Lee killed, Ben Killed (if saved) Kenny separated and they lose the boat trying to find her yet everyone doesn't think it's wrong what she did? Biased.
Ive said my piece. You havent convinced me to change my opinion and Im done with this nonsense.
I already explained why I thanked her, and she already said she just agreed with what I had to say. Nobody helped anyone. So off that subject. I'm not admitting anything about Clementine hogging the spotlight. She didn't in my opinion. She's the main character, she's gonna be in the majority of the scenes. They could've done a better job developing the cabin survivors in the next four episodes. But they didn't, unfortunately.
Your shoving the whole "Clementine hogged the spotlight" down me and KCohere's throats. Your not changing anyone's mind. Season 2 in general was about Kenny, let's not.
See what I mean? I explain to you details about how Clementine was selfish and didn't give the S2 characters screen time where as Lee had his time and the other characters got plenty of time and you decide you don't want to respond to it? Normal for someone to take off when they know it's true.
And why does she agree with your opinion again? Because you both are Clementine fan girls. Okay so your opinion is that she's the main character and that it's normal for her to be in the majority of the scenes. So how come Lee was the main character but didn't have half an episode of just him walking around doing nothing? Do you think if they cut out or cut down those scenes of Clementine in all that remains, they would've had more time to develop the cabin group? Yes or no? Remember what people said about a new day? A good introduction episode on the characters, so why should an already established character get half an episode and new undeveloped characters get brief development?
Why are you dodging my questions? Stop making up lies, Asking questions isn't shoving things done peoples throats. You said I don't get that people have opinions. So why call mine biased? That means that your opinion is biased towards Clementine yes? Tell me where Kenny had half an episode on just him in the scenes, S1 or S2 like Clementine did. Come on NOHAT, show me (-:
You forgot the CLEM part in my name :-) your telling me to ADMIT that Clementine took up screen time. Ummm....? Anyways you want me to tell you where Kenny had a bunch of scenes on him? should I even go into Amid The Ruins and No Going Back?
Stop calling us Clementine fangirls....that's like me calling you a blind Kenny fan. You wouldn't like it. I'm willing to say that they should've taken more time on the cabin group, sure. But they had to show how Clementine managed to get to the cabin, how she'd manage to meet Luke and Pete. I also wanted to see how'd she'd last alone, how she'll struggle. I wanted to get to know more about her. Should they have added a scene or two about the cabin group having the meeting or hell, even talking about Carver, YES! But I believe by the end of episode one, each cabin survivor had their own personality established. Luke being the "good guy" of the group. Pete being that caring, father like figure. Nick was hot-headed and was still coping with his mothers death, which caused him to be wreckless. Rebecca was a belligerent pregnant lady, that everyone hated. Sarah was a sheltered child who needed to be exposed. Carlos was an overprotective dad who became defensive as soon as his daughter is mentioned. And Alvin was another caring husband who wanted nothing but to keep his wife safe.
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You can say what you want about me, I'm not going to cry like you are. I'dsay yes I like Kenny, but I can admit when his done wrong or if his taking up screen time, where as you cannont do that. Look, I admit that Clementine needed to be tested on her own, and she did that by escaping those men who attacked Christa, that was fine, but after that, walking around for ages until she meets Sam and gets bitten. They could've had her been bitten when she met Sam like if she goes to pat him but they dragged that a long. How is Clementine walking VERY slowly being spooked by birds good for the game? Luke was shown to be caring but he was overshadowed by Clementines presence. When she's talking about HER past at the end with Luke, it's all about her, hardly anything about Luke. Pete got on well with her but that was wasted because they killed him off the same episode or at the start of the next. Yes but we didn't get to the depth of his anger or try to be friends with him. He has the meanginful scene locked with Clementine then his only relevant when he kills Matthew and that's it. And then they made Rebecca into a nice character and even her development was overshadowed by Clementine"you better be nice to ME". What does Rebeccas lies have to do with Clementine? Is Clementine a detective now? The only scene we got from Sarah was to BENEFIT Clementine, to manipulate Sarah to help her. Carlos only has the one scene where his nice or mean to Clementine. and Alvin is the biggest waste of them all,Says a few words then is only seen if Clementine ask him for help, again all circling around Clementine. If that was S1, all those characters would've had way more time to tell their story and wouldn't of been kept down by Lee .
Which I already answered.
No ones crying. This argument isn't going anywhere. I'll agree to disagree.
You haven't answered it. You've avoided the biased question multiple times now. If I have a biased opinion like you claim I have, that means you have a biased opinion towards Clementine yes?
No, I admitted that she was bland and boring. I just don't believe she was a screen hog. That's my view.
So that means you have biased opinion towards her yes?
Also, Have you found an episode where Kenny was in it for half the episode that resolved just around him like Clementine in all that remains?
Again, I said Im done arguing with you. Please stop.
Indeed so.I also didn't like Christa at first for her nosiness and that she got a vote on Ben like she was there with the group long ago but later on she is cool in my opinion.
No. It's an opinion. I already told you, Amid The Ruins and No Going Back. I'm willing to say Clementine was boring and bland. I'm also willing to say she was underdeveloped and unrealistic. I don't believe she was a screen hog. Anything else?
So why is mine a biased one and yours isn't then? Don't come of as a hypocrite or anything. So there are sceens in ATR and NGB where he was walking around by himself for half an episoce like Clementine? Explain to me why Lee didn't hog the screen as much as her yet S1 was better developed then S2.
Shouldn't of been a know it all and get into something that had nothing to do with you then shouldn't of you
Oh idk we so happen to play as her so of course there's gonna be scenes where we control her to walk around. You want to shove your opinion down everyone's throat as if it's factual. Not once have a forced you to admit anything you didn't want to. We already know S1 is better than S2. Clearly each episode being cut down to an hour played a big part.
My response to this entire chain of comments:
In all honestly, there wasn't any point in bringing back Kenny other than fan demand. I remember there were petitions here from the fans to bring back Kenny for season 2. Kenny's story was done in season 1 - he developed into a character that Lee can rely on and can call his friend. When he was introduced in season 2, there wasn't much character growth for him. As a result, TT wrote him as a dude who is experiencing PTSD who is hostile and dangerous to the group - they pretty much made him the main villain because there was nothing else for TT to do with the character. Season 2 goes down hill when Kenny is reintroduced in season 2 of TWD because the game focuses more on him and his PTSD than any of the other characters - I can't even remember the names of the other characters other than Craver.
I agree - I am glad that Dontnod is going with this direction of making a new story if and when they do a season 2 of Life is Strange. I feel that by continuing Clem's story, it made powerful moments like Kenny sacrificing himself to save Lee or Clementine seeing two strangers nearby in the post credits less powerful.