A question you've got to ask yourself is why is "2" the limit of black characters that he wants to play as. And Kennyftw. No one would complain if a gay character or Asian character was represented because you know that almost never happens in video games. There are a hundred games where you can play as a white straight male but maybe only 1 where a gay Asian or black guy is the lead character.
And considering they brought into consideration the ethnicity of the people where they set the walking dead it's not surprising he's black or they will continue black characters.
because Kenny/Lee would like to play a white character?
To be honest I find that dumb, I dont see why he feels the race of the character matters I'm just pointing out they have said the same.
I don't get all the hate for Clem potentially being the playable character in season 3. Just because she was a child in season 2, it didn't make her annoying or uninteresting. Alongside Luke, she was actually the most mature character in the game, and served as the moral compass in many situations.
Haha, I 'regularly say I don't want characters to be white or male'?
Okay then, I'll bite, give me a quote of mine saying that in the last, say, 4 months. If I do it 'regularly' you should have lots to choose from!
I know that it's trendy these days to say everyone hates white men (p.s. I'm a white man) but I'd appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth.
P.s. I don't care about skin colour or gender either. Otherwise you'd see me arguing against everyone who says they want a white person or a man in season 3. I'd love to play as Jane - I know I won't be able to of course - and she's white. I'd have loved to play as Luke in season 2, and he's white and male. My favourite 400 days protagonist was Wyatt - a white male.
But go on, give me some recent regular quotes where I say I don't want characters to be white or male, I'm really looking forward to your reply
I'm not labelling him as anything, I'm asking him a question.
You regularly say you dont want characters to be male or white so I dont know? I dont mind a characters race or gender.
Hmm honestly imo, it wouldn't really be that much more work. Episode one would just be half the guy, half the girl. Then the choice comes up,( Go with Guy to the Forest, Go with Girl to the Camp) The work would probably would just be substituting the characters, and having the voice actors act through both parts. I think Telltale could really pull it off.
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Thank you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
A question you've got to ask yourself is why is "2" the limit of black characters that he wants to play as. And Kennyftw. No one would compl… moreain if a gay character or Asian character was represented because you know that almost never happens in video games. There are a hundred games where you can play as a white straight male but maybe only 1 where a gay Asian or black guy is the lead character.
And considering they brought into consideration the ethnicity of the people where they set the walking dead it's not surprising he's black or they will continue black characters.
I think I still prefer to play as Clem. I believe TT TWD is her story and if they choose to continue it, nmind as well be her. I found it refreshing we're got to play as something different and obviously familiar.
I'm hoping we play as whoever we're with in No Going Back. They can spend the first episode in season 3 playing as Kenny, Jane, or Clementin… moree depending on what our ending was. Then somehow all of our endings tie together and we end up playing just as Clementine again. Then were introduced to new characters, and we can play as them aswell as Clementine. That way our endings matter, we can still play as Clementine, and we can play as other characters aswell.
So silly responses include those that point out the truth that the video game industry is a white male dominated industry? And no what they mean is they would like to see more main characters of under represented minorities.
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Th… moreank you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
Exactly! You brought it up as an argument in the discussion I was having with Flog61 completely invalidating their statement that race DOES NOT MATTER. You injected that it absolutely mattered invalidating Flog's entire argument, and proving that I was right when I said that people would not call the poster a racist if they wanted minorities in the game while insinuating that Kenny/Lee was a racist for asking for white characters proving what a double standard people with regards to calling a person a racist. Thank you for proving my point.
So silly responses include those that point out the truth that the video game industry is a white male dominated industry? And no what they mean is they would like to see more main characters of under represented minorities.
p.s. It's a white male dominated industry because white males are the majority who purchase the games. If the majority of game purchasers were black women the games would be almost entirely about black women. But as with progressives focusing entirely on bigotry the jump to the dumbest, but expected conclusions that it's about racism, and sexism. I will remind you that before computer gaming was popular it was the white nerds getting made fun of for playing the games.
Exactly! You brought it up as an argument in the discussion I was having with Flog61 completely invalidating their statement that race DOES… more NOT MATTER. You injected that it absolutely mattered invalidating Flog's entire argument, and proving that I was right when I said that people would not call the poster a racist if they wanted minorities in the game while insinuating that Kenny/Lee was a racist for asking for white characters proving what a double standard people with regards to calling a person a racist. Thank you for proving my point.
Um.They wouldn't call him racist for wanting minorities to be included because y'know it's not just white people who play video games. A lot of people want to play as Hispanics, or black, or Asian because they're Asian and Hispanic. Or if they're women and want to play as a women, not the default standard white male.
Exactly! You brought it up as an argument in the discussion I was having with Flog61 completely invalidating their statement that race DOES… more NOT MATTER. You injected that it absolutely mattered invalidating Flog's entire argument, and proving that I was right when I said that people would not call the poster a racist if they wanted minorities in the game while insinuating that Kenny/Lee was a racist for asking for white characters proving what a double standard people with regards to calling a person a racist. Thank you for proving my point.
lol... It's going completely over your head. You cannot spot the double standard. It's racist for a person in the majority to want to play someone with their same skin color but not racist for a minority... LOL Did you know women are the majority in the United States? I guess that makes them sexist if they want to play a woman in the game over a guy
Um.They wouldn't call him racist for wanting minorities to be included because y'know it's not just white people who play video games. A lot… more of people want to play as Hispanics, or black, or Asian because they're Asian and Hispanic. Or if they're women and want to play as a women, not the default standard white male.
No. How can it be racist for a minority to ask for equal representation in the media? I think that's the bit going over my head. Are you saying it's racist for a minority to expect to be able to play of someone of their colour? Kinda sounds like that's what you're saying. "Double standard. If it's racist to ask to play as white majority then it's racist for them minorities to expect equal representation in the games. You're racist for thinking you're as good as a white person!"
Ethnic minorities deserve equal representation in all media and there is no double standard because white people aren't a minority in media. They're treated preferably in all media. But if you think it's racist that ethnic minorities are asking to play as characters that represent them, then fine. That's your belief.
No. It makes them WANT TO BE REPRESENTED FOR A CHANGE. TO BE IN A VIDEO GAME AS A CHARACTER AND NOT EYE CANDY. THE SAME WAY MINORITIES WANT REPRESENTATION IN VIDEO GAMES AND MEDIA BEYOND STERIOTYPES. But fine, if Minorities wanting a fair deal for ONCE is a double standard then it is.
You're talking bullshit. When white people are treated as second class citizens, blocked from film auditions, and shot for being black or whatever, then we'll talk.
lol... It's going completely over your head. You cannot spot the double standard. It's racist for a person in the majority to want to pla… morey someone with their same skin color but not racist for a minority... LOL Did you know women are the majority in the United States? I guess that makes them sexist if they want to play a woman in the game over a guy
Let me ask you this. Avatar the Last Airbender having and all white cast. Was that racist? Was it racist to white wash a film based on a material that all their main characters were ethnic minorities, turn them all white, and then ban ethnic minorities from auditioning for those parts?
And that's the ONLY TIME I've brought up RACISM. I am just saying that minorities have never been equal in video games and it's not racist to ask they get to be a main character. Neither is it racist to ask if a white guy can be a racist. IT IS RACIST to suggest that it's double standard that minorities should ask to be treated the same as white people.
No. How can it be racist for a minority to ask for equal representation in the media? I think that's the bit going over my head. Are you say… moreing it's racist for a minority to expect to be able to play of someone of their colour? Kinda sounds like that's what you're saying. "Double standard. If it's racist to ask to play as white majority then it's racist for them minorities to expect equal representation in the games. You're racist for thinking you're as good as a white person!"
Ethnic minorities deserve equal representation in all media and there is no double standard because white people aren't a minority in media. They're treated preferably in all media. But if you think it's racist that ethnic minorities are asking to play as characters that represent them, then fine. That's your belief.
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No it wasn't. Do you think Manoj Shyamalan, an Indian holds white racism?
The topic was about a person wanting to play a white character, not a minority asking to play a minority character. How did you get to that? I was pointing out the double standard that wanting to play as your own race, in this case white is racist, while it's ok for any other race to make the same request without being called a bigot. I think anyone should be able to play as any race they wish and shouldn't be called a racist or bigot for simply wanting to play as your own race. Do you think a white person wanting to play a white person is racist? Do you consider that person a bigot for that?
Let me ask you this. Avatar the Last Airbender having and all white cast. Was that racist? Was it racist to white wash a film based on a mat… moreerial that all their main characters were ethnic minorities, turn them all white, and then ban ethnic minorities from auditioning for those parts?
And that's the ONLY TIME I've brought up RACISM. I am just saying that minorities have never been equal in video games and it's not racist to ask they get to be a main character. Neither is it racist to ask if a white guy can be a racist. IT IS RACIST to suggest that it's double standard that minorities should ask to be treated the same as white people.
God. Who can take you seriously. Yes it was racism. Changing a character's race when it's clearly ethnic and then banning ethnic people from auditioning is racist. And Shyamalan was the director, not the guy who cast the film. Okay I get it. You don't think ethnic characters should be afforded the same opportunities as white people. And no one was calling him a racist or bigot. You started the whole racism trend. And yes. People should play whatever race they want but the TRUTH is that Media WANTS YOU TO PLAY ONLY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS NOT RACIST FOR A MINORITY CHARACTER TO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL BE AFFORDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS RACIST TO DENY THEM THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ETHNIC.
IT IS A KNOWN AND WIDELY KNOWN FACT THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE 90% WHITE MAN AND 10% ETHNIC MINORITIES AND WOMEN.
Our primary concerns regarding The Last Airbender were:
•The outdated and discriminatory practice of casting white actors to depict Asian characters.
•Casting calls indicating a preference for white actors for leads; people of color for villains, secondary characters, and background extras.
•Culturally ignorant language used by members of the production (e.g. “If you’re a Korean, wear a kimono” and “I definitely need a tan”)
•The colorist implications of featuring a villainous nation with dark-skinned actors and heroic nations led by white heroes who liberate the “Asian and African” nation.
•Cultural appropriation of Pacific Rim cultures and the franchise’s core Asian concepts, despite a glass ceiling blocking off Asian American actors from playing lead protagonists.
Casting characters of color with white actors sends the message that white people are more qualified to represent people of color than people of color themselves.
No it wasn't. Do you think Manoj Shyamalan, an Indian holds white racism?
The topic was about a person wanting to play a white character… more, not a minority asking to play a minority character. How did you get to that? I was pointing out the double standard that wanting to play as your own race, in this case white is racist, while it's ok for any other race to make the same request without being called a bigot. I think anyone should be able to play as any race they wish and shouldn't be called a racist or bigot for simply wanting to play as your own race. Do you think a white person wanting to play a white person is racist? Do you consider that person a bigot for that?
season 2 was alright but i did not want to kill kenny but you have to do what you have to do. but who really made me mad was jane i thought aj died but she lied i shoulda killed jane
Actually Shyamalan was in charge of casting. Thanks for proving my point. Not only do you not know what you're talking about, but you spread lies to prove your point by saying that Shyamalan wasn't behind casting because it didn't support your argument. Hahaha You just want to see racism wherever you go. You keep proving my point over and over. Thank you.
God. Who can take you seriously. Yes it was racism. Changing a character's race when it's clearly ethnic and then banning ethnic people from… more auditioning is racist. And Shyamalan was the director, not the guy who cast the film. Okay I get it. You don't think ethnic characters should be afforded the same opportunities as white people. And no one was calling him a racist or bigot. You started the whole racism trend. And yes. People should play whatever race they want but the TRUTH is that Media WANTS YOU TO PLAY ONLY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS NOT RACIST FOR A MINORITY CHARACTER TO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL BE AFFORDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS RACIST TO DENY THEM THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ETHNIC.
IT IS A KNOWN AND WIDELY KNOWN FACT THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE 90% WHITE MAN AND 10% ETHNIC MINORITIES AND WOMEN.
https://usfacingrace.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/last-airbender-whitewash-race.jpg
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So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Thank you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
I think what they're saying is more along the lines of 'Okay, the white, straight male has had his run, maybe explore other options?'.
Edit: Anthorn has said this already. Guess I should have finished reading before trying to speak. :P
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Th… moreank you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
Notice how his examples were of how games, and movies are dominated by white's and how unfair it is? If I said the NBA was dominated by blacks do you think he'd agree, or try to explain how it is not the same thing? That's how reverse discrimination works. An all white college would be racist, but they have all black colleges. In their eyes it is completely fair, and are unable to see that it's still discrimination. He said that 90% of the games have white people as leads..... Well the vast majority of gamers are white. The games just represent the majority of gamers the same way the number of blacks in the NBA represent the greater number of blacks who try to be basket ball players vs the number of whites. I see nothing wrong with that, but when whites are the majority the progressive left can't except it. Everything is about racism to them even if it's not.
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Tha… morenk you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
I think what they're saying is more along the lines of 'Okay, the white, straight male has had his run, maybe explore other options?'.
Edit: Anthorn has said this already. Guess I should have finished reading before trying to speak. :P
The points that whites are better than black people? That it's double standard white people can't call ethnic minorities racist for thinking they're equal to white people? Seriously the only thing you can argue against is Shyamalan. Really?
Not the media being a white male dominated industry with ethnic minorities barely getting a look In. Not your double standard bullshit You're really like. You were wrong he was in charge of casting so All my arguments are right and you are wrong? Wow.
And you started going on about racism. And yes. The casting of Airbender can be considered racism since the characters were clearly ethnic in the anime.
Actually Shyamalan was in charge of casting. Thanks for proving my point. Not only do you not know what you're talking about, but you sprea… mored lies to prove your point by saying that Shyamalan wasn't behind casting because it didn't support your argument. Hahaha You just want to see racism wherever you go. You keep proving my point over and over. Thank you.
So you don't think it's unfair that whites are represented over people of ethnicity? You don't see a correlation that for video games the white person is the default guy and maybe that's why white people are the so called majority? Maybe, if they were represented more than just a Tolkien side kick and if they were marketed for black people there would be more black video games players. Do you not understand that?
Fine we get it. It's racist for people of colour to expect to be treated as equally as white people. We get it. You've made your point.
Notice how his examples were of how games, and movies are dominated by white's and how unfair it is? If I said the NBA was dominated by bla… morecks do you think he'd agree, or try to explain how it is not the same thing? That's how reverse discrimination works. An all white college would be racist, but they have all black colleges. In their eyes it is completely fair, and are unable to see that it's still discrimination. He said that 90% of the games have white people as leads..... Well the vast majority of gamers are white. The games just represent the majority of gamers the same way the number of blacks in the NBA represent the greater number of blacks who try to be basket ball players vs the number of whites. I see nothing wrong with that, but when whites are the majority the progressive left can't except it. Everything is about racism to them even if it's not.
So you don't think it's unfair that whites are represented over people of ethnicity? You don't see a correlation that for video games the wh… moreite person is the default guy and maybe that's why white people are the so called majority? Maybe, if they were represented more than just a Tolkien side kick and if they were marketed for black people there would be more black video games players. Do you not understand that?
Fine we get it. It's racist for people of colour to expect to be treated as equally as white people. We get it. You've made your point.
Sounds a bit like you with your forced politic bullcrap.
Thus, wanting more people of color in stories that focus on mythology for a predominantly white culture doesn't work the other way. Wanting white people in spaces dedicated to people of color ignores that stories of white people already dominate this and other creative industries.
It's "what about me?" when everything is already about you.
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/video-games-dominated-by-whites-3561
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/52-perce… morent-people-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/52-percent-people-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/09/gamer-to-game-makers-wheres-the-diversity.php
Which refutes your whites play more so it's racist to expect blacks to have an equal share of display theory.
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Tha… morenk you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
I think what they're saying is more along the lines of 'Okay, the white, straight male has had his run, maybe explore other options?'.
Edit: Anthorn has said this already. Guess I should have finished reading before trying to speak. :P
No, the game is based in the comic book universe don't forget that, for me S2 felt like a spin off as there was no connection to the comic at all and it felt like the game decided to go it's own way which then ultimately disappointed.
S3 should get back to the comic in some way or form even if it's just references, Clementine as a protagonist failed so it's time they produced someone else like a grown up again which is what the majority want and rightly so!
For me is Clem or nothing.
Comic and TV show are about Rick, videogame is about Clem. If there´s no continuation of the story then there´s no season 3, it´s a spin off.
Well, personally I didn´t see the comicbook connection besides the Clem cameo, it´s obviously taking place in the comicbook universe rather than in the TV show one, but I do not expect that many interactions with the story. Even with the Michone DLC coming I feel that would be it´s own thing, even less relevant to the whole plot line than 400 days.
I don´t think Clementine as a protagonist failed at all. I´m the kind of grumpy guy that hates kids in movies, TV shows and all forms of media, yet Clementine was one of my favorite videogame leads of that year, I would even say that she´s more interesting than tons of characters in all the walking dead franchise. The show has some serious problems with pacing and character development, and while I love the comicbook Kirkman can really suck the joy out of characters when he doesn´t know what else to do with them.
Clementine in season 3 is just bound to happen, I can she her not as a playable character in season 4 maybe, but on 3 right now as things ended? No way men, I´m invested in that story, and suddenly coming with somebody new I don´t know about is not what I expect. Again, the name itself, season 3, implies a continuation of the previous story.
No, the game is based in the comic book universe don't forget that, for me S2 felt like a spin off as there was no connection to the comic a… moret all and it felt like the game decided to go it's own way which then ultimately disappointed.
S3 should get back to the comic in some way or form even if it's just references, Clementine as a protagonist failed so it's time they produced someone else like a grown up again which is what the majority want and rightly so!
No, the game is based in the comic book universe don't forget that, for me S2 felt like a spin off as there was no connection to the comic a… moret all and it felt like the game decided to go it's own way which then ultimately disappointed.
S3 should get back to the comic in some way or form even if it's just references, Clementine as a protagonist failed so it's time they produced someone else like a grown up again which is what the majority want and rightly so!
To be honest, we are playing as 11 old girl. In s1 we played as lee, a grown man who had to do so much work than chem, but I still enjoyed both, but s1 was more enjoyable than s2. I still hope that chem is still the character we will play as, because in s2 at the end, we can build an empire, because chem is start to show more leadership and starting understand what she feeling. But then again, it is a game so I can actually be wrong about this. I hope you can understand my opinion about how I understand the game
So am I and my perspective has still not changed. This would be my third play-through and I'm on episode 3. and typically I don't do a play-… morethrough of season 2 without first having done a complete play-through of season 1+400 Days.. The same level of heart and soul just doesn't seem to be within season 2 as with season 1 and the S2 episodes are far more brief than S1 episodes and far less engaging than S1 since you had more puzzles to solve in S1 like with finding a way into the pharmacy, figuring a way out the meat locker, starting the train, finding a way into the mansion, discover the exit out the sewers and back to the group, investigating the secret Crawford tapes to unlock the safe of supplies, and then finding a way to ring the bell after finding a way out of Vernon's lair from walkers breaking in.. Also more conversations with the characters in season 1. As Lee there was more depth to everything.
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which is what the majority want and rightly so!
If by 'majority' you mean the 40 or so people that still visit this section regularly (and 40's probably being generous), then sure
I would feel very disappointed and somewhat cheated if we didn't get to play as Clem. Since the first 10 minutes of season 1 Clem has been the focal point of the entire series and not continuing with her would be insane. She is widely loved and she is a nice change of pace compared to every other game that doesn't have a main child protagonist. Lee was great, I loved playing as Lee but he's gone. For them to put all this time in effort into Clem and then just start with someone new would just be a waste to an incredible story. I want to see her develop more and become the Clem that everyone has guided her to be since the beginning. Plus all the endings in season 2 were too open ended to conclude her story. To me it just made it more interesting.
NO NO NO please I do NOT want to have to play as a cute baby faced girl in a Walking Dead game ever again! Her accent doesn't even sound anything like an African American and her character sucked anyway along with everything else in S2.
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only if protagonist is not older than 11 years and if story is good i will maybe play season 3
A question you've got to ask yourself is why is "2" the limit of black characters that he wants to play as. And Kennyftw. No one would complain if a gay character or Asian character was represented because you know that almost never happens in video games. There are a hundred games where you can play as a white straight male but maybe only 1 where a gay Asian or black guy is the lead character.
And considering they brought into consideration the ethnicity of the people where they set the walking dead it's not surprising he's black or they will continue black characters.
I don't get all the hate for Clem potentially being the playable character in season 3. Just because she was a child in season 2, it didn't make her annoying or uninteresting. Alongside Luke, she was actually the most mature character in the game, and served as the moral compass in many situations.
Haha, I 'regularly say I don't want characters to be white or male'?
Okay then, I'll bite, give me a quote of mine saying that in the last, say, 4 months. If I do it 'regularly' you should have lots to choose from!
I know that it's trendy these days to say everyone hates white men (p.s. I'm a white man) but I'd appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth.
P.s. I don't care about skin colour or gender either. Otherwise you'd see me arguing against everyone who says they want a white person or a man in season 3. I'd love to play as Jane - I know I won't be able to of course - and she's white. I'd have loved to play as Luke in season 2, and he's white and male. My favourite 400 days protagonist was Wyatt - a white male.
But go on, give me some recent regular quotes where I say I don't want characters to be white or male, I'm really looking forward to your reply
Hmm honestly imo, it wouldn't really be that much more work. Episode one would just be half the guy, half the girl. Then the choice comes up,( Go with Guy to the Forest, Go with Girl to the Camp) The work would probably would just be substituting the characters, and having the voice actors act through both parts. I think Telltale could really pull it off.
So funny because I was telling myself "I know that the next argument against what I said will be that most games have white people" LoL. Thank you! It validates my ability to predict silly non responses from people. It's so predictable. When people say "race doesn't matter" they really mean "Race doesn't matter, as long as it's not white people. If you want white characters you are a racist"
I think I still prefer to play as Clem. I believe TT TWD is her story and if they choose to continue it, nmind as well be her. I found it refreshing we're got to play as something different and obviously familiar.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
So silly responses include those that point out the truth that the video game industry is a white male dominated industry? And no what they mean is they would like to see more main characters of under represented minorities.
Exactly! You brought it up as an argument in the discussion I was having with Flog61 completely invalidating their statement that race DOES NOT MATTER. You injected that it absolutely mattered invalidating Flog's entire argument, and proving that I was right when I said that people would not call the poster a racist if they wanted minorities in the game while insinuating that Kenny/Lee was a racist for asking for white characters proving what a double standard people with regards to calling a person a racist. Thank you for proving my point.
p.s. It's a white male dominated industry because white males are the majority who purchase the games. If the majority of game purchasers were black women the games would be almost entirely about black women. But as with progressives focusing entirely on bigotry the jump to the dumbest, but expected conclusions that it's about racism, and sexism. I will remind you that before computer gaming was popular it was the white nerds getting made fun of for playing the games.
Um.They wouldn't call him racist for wanting minorities to be included because y'know it's not just white people who play video games. A lot of people want to play as Hispanics, or black, or Asian because they're Asian and Hispanic. Or if they're women and want to play as a women, not the default standard white male.
lol... It's going completely over your head. You cannot spot the double standard. It's racist for a person in the majority to want to play someone with their same skin color but not racist for a minority... LOL Did you know women are the majority in the United States? I guess that makes them sexist if they want to play a woman in the game over a guy
No. How can it be racist for a minority to ask for equal representation in the media? I think that's the bit going over my head. Are you saying it's racist for a minority to expect to be able to play of someone of their colour? Kinda sounds like that's what you're saying. "Double standard. If it's racist to ask to play as white majority then it's racist for them minorities to expect equal representation in the games. You're racist for thinking you're as good as a white person!"
Ethnic minorities deserve equal representation in all media and there is no double standard because white people aren't a minority in media. They're treated preferably in all media. But if you think it's racist that ethnic minorities are asking to play as characters that represent them, then fine. That's your belief.
No. It makes them WANT TO BE REPRESENTED FOR A CHANGE. TO BE IN A VIDEO GAME AS A CHARACTER AND NOT EYE CANDY. THE SAME WAY MINORITIES WANT REPRESENTATION IN VIDEO GAMES AND MEDIA BEYOND STERIOTYPES. But fine, if Minorities wanting a fair deal for ONCE is a double standard then it is.
You're talking bullshit. When white people are treated as second class citizens, blocked from film auditions, and shot for being black or whatever, then we'll talk.
Let me ask you this. Avatar the Last Airbender having and all white cast. Was that racist? Was it racist to white wash a film based on a material that all their main characters were ethnic minorities, turn them all white, and then ban ethnic minorities from auditioning for those parts?
And that's the ONLY TIME I've brought up RACISM. I am just saying that minorities have never been equal in video games and it's not racist to ask they get to be a main character. Neither is it racist to ask if a white guy can be a racist. IT IS RACIST to suggest that it's double standard that minorities should ask to be treated the same as white people.
No it wasn't. Do you think Manoj Shyamalan, an Indian holds white racism?
The topic was about a person wanting to play a white character, not a minority asking to play a minority character. How did you get to that? I was pointing out the double standard that wanting to play as your own race, in this case white is racist, while it's ok for any other race to make the same request without being called a bigot. I think anyone should be able to play as any race they wish and shouldn't be called a racist or bigot for simply wanting to play as your own race. Do you think a white person wanting to play a white person is racist? Do you consider that person a bigot for that?
God. Who can take you seriously. Yes it was racism. Changing a character's race when it's clearly ethnic and then banning ethnic people from auditioning is racist. And Shyamalan was the director, not the guy who cast the film. Okay I get it. You don't think ethnic characters should be afforded the same opportunities as white people. And no one was calling him a racist or bigot. You started the whole racism trend. And yes. People should play whatever race they want but the TRUTH is that Media WANTS YOU TO PLAY ONLY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS NOT RACIST FOR A MINORITY CHARACTER TO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL BE AFFORDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS WHITE PEOPLE.
IT IS RACIST TO DENY THEM THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ETHNIC.
IT IS A KNOWN AND WIDELY KNOWN FACT THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE 90% WHITE MAN AND 10% ETHNIC MINORITIES AND WOMEN.
https://usfacingrace.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/last-airbender-whitewash-race.jpg
See above. White people heroes Asian or ethnic evil.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/racebending-the-last-airbender-casting-controversy
Our primary concerns regarding The Last Airbender were:
•The outdated and discriminatory practice of casting white actors to depict Asian characters.
•Casting calls indicating a preference for white actors for leads; people of color for villains, secondary characters, and background extras.
•Culturally ignorant language used by members of the production (e.g. “If you’re a Korean, wear a kimono” and “I definitely need a tan”)
•The colorist implications of featuring a villainous nation with dark-skinned actors and heroic nations led by white heroes who liberate the “Asian and African” nation.
•Cultural appropriation of Pacific Rim cultures and the franchise’s core Asian concepts, despite a glass ceiling blocking off Asian American actors from playing lead protagonists.
Casting characters of color with white actors sends the message that white people are more qualified to represent people of color than people of color themselves.
Clem will be the playable character of s3. I mean, in s2 E5 you can end up just alone with AJ.. And I don't see you play as aj.
season 2 was alright but i did not want to kill kenny but you have to do what you have to do. but who really made me mad was jane i thought aj died but she lied i shoulda killed jane
Actually Shyamalan was in charge of casting. Thanks for proving my point. Not only do you not know what you're talking about, but you spread lies to prove your point by saying that Shyamalan wasn't behind casting because it didn't support your argument. Hahaha You just want to see racism wherever you go. You keep proving my point over and over. Thank you.
I think what they're saying is more along the lines of 'Okay, the white, straight male has had his run, maybe explore other options?'.
Edit: Anthorn has said this already. Guess I should have finished reading before trying to speak. :P
Notice how his examples were of how games, and movies are dominated by white's and how unfair it is? If I said the NBA was dominated by blacks do you think he'd agree, or try to explain how it is not the same thing? That's how reverse discrimination works. An all white college would be racist, but they have all black colleges. In their eyes it is completely fair, and are unable to see that it's still discrimination. He said that 90% of the games have white people as leads..... Well the vast majority of gamers are white. The games just represent the majority of gamers the same way the number of blacks in the NBA represent the greater number of blacks who try to be basket ball players vs the number of whites. I see nothing wrong with that, but when whites are the majority the progressive left can't except it. Everything is about racism to them even if it's not.
The points that whites are better than black people? That it's double standard white people can't call ethnic minorities racist for thinking they're equal to white people? Seriously the only thing you can argue against is Shyamalan. Really?
Not the media being a white male dominated industry with ethnic minorities barely getting a look In. Not your double standard bullshit You're really like. You were wrong he was in charge of casting so All my arguments are right and you are wrong? Wow.
And you started going on about racism. And yes. The casting of Airbender can be considered racism since the characters were clearly ethnic in the anime.
So you don't think it's unfair that whites are represented over people of ethnicity? You don't see a correlation that for video games the white person is the default guy and maybe that's why white people are the so called majority? Maybe, if they were represented more than just a Tolkien side kick and if they were marketed for black people there would be more black video games players. Do you not understand that?
Fine we get it. It's racist for people of colour to expect to be treated as equally as white people. We get it. You've made your point.
http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/video-games-dominated-by-whites-3561
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/52-percent-people-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/52-percent-people-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/09/gamer-to-game-makers-wheres-the-diversity.php
Which refutes your whites play more so it's racist to expect blacks to have an equal share of display theory.
https://medium.com/@cainejw/diversity-statistics-and-minority-representation-c46a66d4141f#.1ckdc9p2k
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem
Sounds a bit like you with your forced politic bullcrap.
Thus, wanting more people of color in stories that focus on mythology for a predominantly white culture doesn't work the other way. Wanting white people in spaces dedicated to people of color ignores that stories of white people already dominate this and other creative industries.
It's "what about me?" when everything is already about you.
Yes. But some people, like Kennyftw don't like the idea of exploring other options, cause it's racist.
Alright that's enough fellas, the thread has been derailed enough.
For me is Clem or nothing.
Comic and TV show are about Rick, videogame is about Clem. If there´s no continuation of the story then there´s no season 3, it´s a spin off.
No, the game is based in the comic book universe don't forget that, for me S2 felt like a spin off as there was no connection to the comic at all and it felt like the game decided to go it's own way which then ultimately disappointed.
S3 should get back to the comic in some way or form even if it's just references, Clementine as a protagonist failed so it's time they produced someone else like a grown up again which is what the majority want and rightly so!
Well, personally I didn´t see the comicbook connection besides the Clem cameo, it´s obviously taking place in the comicbook universe rather than in the TV show one, but I do not expect that many interactions with the story. Even with the Michone DLC coming I feel that would be it´s own thing, even less relevant to the whole plot line than 400 days.
I don´t think Clementine as a protagonist failed at all. I´m the kind of grumpy guy that hates kids in movies, TV shows and all forms of media, yet Clementine was one of my favorite videogame leads of that year, I would even say that she´s more interesting than tons of characters in all the walking dead franchise. The show has some serious problems with pacing and character development, and while I love the comicbook Kirkman can really suck the joy out of characters when he doesn´t know what else to do with them.
Clementine in season 3 is just bound to happen, I can she her not as a playable character in season 4 maybe, but on 3 right now as things ended? No way men, I´m invested in that story, and suddenly coming with somebody new I don´t know about is not what I expect. Again, the name itself, season 3, implies a continuation of the previous story.
If by 'majority' you mean the 40 or so people that still visit this section regularly (and 40's probably being generous), then sure
To be honest, we are playing as 11 old girl. In s1 we played as lee, a grown man who had to do so much work than chem, but I still enjoyed both, but s1 was more enjoyable than s2. I still hope that chem is still the character we will play as, because in s2 at the end, we can build an empire, because chem is start to show more leadership and starting understand what she feeling. But then again, it is a game so I can actually be wrong about this. I hope you can understand my opinion about how I understand the game
Not all people that play the game are forum members. Only about a tenth.
I hope we get to play as Clem
I read that in Kennys voice.
I want to play as clem again
I would feel very disappointed and somewhat cheated if we didn't get to play as Clem. Since the first 10 minutes of season 1 Clem has been the focal point of the entire series and not continuing with her would be insane. She is widely loved and she is a nice change of pace compared to every other game that doesn't have a main child protagonist. Lee was great, I loved playing as Lee but he's gone. For them to put all this time in effort into Clem and then just start with someone new would just be a waste to an incredible story. I want to see her develop more and become the Clem that everyone has guided her to be since the beginning. Plus all the endings in season 2 were too open ended to conclude her story. To me it just made it more interesting.
has to be clem all the way
NO NO NO please I do NOT want to have to play as a cute baby faced girl in a Walking Dead game ever again! Her accent doesn't even sound anything like an African American and her character sucked anyway along with everything else in S2.
Time for a fresh start!