Did Kenny VS Jane ruin season 2?
Even though it happens less, a thread still pops up bringing it up. Its gotten to the point where I can't think of season 2 without thinking about the Kenny/Jane controversy (I already didn't love it to begin with) Does anyone else feel this way? When I think of season 2 my mind goes to this more then any cool or emotional moments.
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Carver not playing as big of a role as he should of in the entire Season is what ruined Season 2.
I think it was kind of dumb, because telltale were hyping since Episode 2 this Kenny vs Luke thing. It actually would have made more sense if it were to be Kenny vs Luke.
What changed? Its probably been discussed but I dont have a clear picture of why they didnt do Luke v. Kenny. Something about pizza vs ice cream wasnt it?
Telltale probably just didn't want to have a predictable finale.
Some people also think that it may be because of Cluke, but I highly doubt it.
Predictable is not always a bad thing.
Don't get me wrong! I totally agree. TellTale just seems to think otherwise.
It wouldn't of been a major problem if the rest of the season was better.
Well Kenny vs Jane only really happened in one episode, so no.
Yes. Season 2 was shit to begin with, but the Kenny vs. Jane fight, more specially how it was handled, made it even worse. I don't just mean in terms of the game either I also mean in a meta sense. You literally cannot talk about either of these characters anymore without a fight breaking out. Also, season 2 didn't have any cool or emotional moments aside from the Kenny endings, so that's part of the problem.
Kenny vs Jane didn't ruin Season Two for me, but the constant back and forth bickering between both fan bases have made conversation about them less appealing.
Yes it would've but the fact is Luke vs Kenny would've been far too much of a one-sided choice imo, Jane vs Kenny was more of a heart vs brain kind of choice whereas Luke vs Kenny would've been a heart and brain vs heart kind of choice. Obviously some people won't see Kenny and Luke as a heart choice but that seems like the general consensus.
I never noticed a Luke vs Kenny conflict, just Kenny being a jerk to everyone conflict like he normally does.
I know it was only one episode, I'm talking about the controversy.
It seems to me like that's the most memorable thing about the season, with everything else being sorta forgettable.
When I think about Season Two, I think mostly of Luke's entire group dying, and how cool it was playing as Clem. Kenny vs Jane is the most undesirable and memorable topic in TWD forum though. For me, at least.
I don't necessarily think Jane v.s Kenny ruined the season. They literally start hating eachother 30 minutes into No Going Back. When Amid The Ruins concluded, not once did I believe Jane v.s Kenny would take place the next episode. There was no warning, no animosity between them before. I thought it would be down to Luke v.s Kenny. Overall, it was inconsistent writing the screwed S2 up.
Kenny VS Jane Flame wars ruined Season Two threads. As for it ruining the game? I'd have to say no. Ppl were mainly ticked that Ken "Got Real Lucky" instead of having Lee "Roll away a stone" or even the story we got just with Omid Jr instead of AJ! I loved season 2 but it did come off as a bit messy story wise! Basicly just being the follow-up to a super popular orignal "Ruined" S2. Now then somone plz grab a firehose before....... geeze here we go flame on! "Swear"
For me, yes, it was a major factor. The quality of the episodes were hit and miss towards the finale, such as Carver's camp being a bit of a lackluster, the 400 Days cast not getting much of a show, no Christa and several characters developments and deaths being questionable, but I could never say they were things that were enough make me quit and be done with it.
Kenny vs Jane, it could've worked. I'm not going to rule that out by being stubborn over how much I disliked the finale, because it's true, it's a concept that could've worked, but I simply wish I hadn't they hadn't done it, nor did I like at all how it was handled. I know it's very likely I would've been complaining if instead it had been Kenny vs Luke with the determinant roles still in there [which is another reason the Kenny vs Jane didn't work to me] but the plot twist made it even worse and ruined the pay off after following the season for nine months, only to reach that conclusion and with that showdown. The very first time I saw the Kenny vs Jane business all go down, I was angry; I didn't enjoy any of it.
So yes, it ruined the game for me at what should've been the most crucial part of the whole season, and that's what killed it. The things that drew me in from the earlier episodes became relevant when they swapped out Luke [the only survivor left except for Clementine to appear in those earlier episodes] for Jane, who hadn't been present during that time in the game and couldn't relate to any of that large chuck in the story to Clementine, where as Kenny could with Season 1 and the 4 episodes that he is in Season 2. Combined with that, Kenny became increasingly unlikable despite me caring for him in the previous season and Episode 2 when he returned on the scene.
I understand that there was a lot that was going on behind the scenes we don't even know about, but it saddens the hell out of me how much potential that season had which got wasted, even when taking the Kenny vs Jane business out of the equation. Season 2 could've easily been as good as Season 1 if they'd only been allowed more time with it
The battle itself I don't think is what ruined Season 2, at least not for me, what ruined Season 2 for me is how characters were overshadowed and lacked in development, characters were treated like crap - almost being nonexistent/barely saying a word if they're determinant and dumb moves like how Sarah gets magically stuck in a pile of planks. I also felt a bias towards Kenny throughout the Season and I didn't like the game making my Clementine like people I didn't want her to or hate people I didn't want her to etc. at least with Lee we could express dislike/like towards each character in the game and they'd have some memory of it. I didn't like the inconsistency, starting from the end of Episode 4 when the Walkers come up to the Observation Deck, I'd say that's when Season 2 was partially ruined for me, I still enjoyed it allot but I felt there was much more that could've been and alternative ways of solving problems could've been made. I hope Season 3 does everything better.
It didn't ruin the game but it kinda ruined some of season 2 threads. There are tons of Kenny vs Jane threads and they are the same thing over and over and over. Like I can't bring up Kenny in a positive light on any thread without getting hounded with people telling me I'm wrong. It's made people feel like it's a completion on whose better when it's not. It's all preference. There's no right or wrong answer. It has completely over shadowed topics about season 2 and upcoming seasons.
I didn't get the feeling of bias, it honestly felt like you couldn't like or dislike anyone except for Carver. Season 1 had polarizing things, but they didn't dominate the game and are honestly hard to remember.
I really liked Kenny and did't like Jane, but I didn't need Kenny VS Jane. I didn't feel they had to be enemies., at least not on the level they where made to be.
Sorry for the double post.
I do wish people would stop with the constant attacking of Season Two.
Yes it had its faults, but everyone on here was waiting for the next episode with baited breath.
Everyone at the time was saying how good it was.
Even when Kenny returned, most was pleased about that and were praising telltale.
Everyone was chuffed about the different endings and can't wait for the resolution.
Most were pleased as punch to have Clementine as the protagonist.
Seems to me though, those very same people that were praising Season Two are now the very same ones slagging it off.
If you don't like it, then delete it off your pc or whatever and don't play it. Let the rest of us enjoy the game.
Yes... Yes it did for me anyways. we were all geared up for Luke v. Kenny. Which is why I originally joined this sight, was to discuss the infamous pizza vs ice cream debate. But then you through Jane into the season and it all just went crazy. I would've totally gone with Luke, Kenny vs Jane was like choosing the lesser of two evils.
Tbh season 2 sent me overboard into my first major bout of depression. The overall story was just too sad. Too much happened to Clem, and the Kenny v. Jane debates caused a lot of fights and animosity.
I am not gonna play season 3 of it's about Clem, I'm cautious to pick it up even if it is not about Clem. Telltale is an amazing video game company and they have delivered amazing games and story's and incredibly memorable characters, but S2 was just too much, too sad...
Yes, it did. I don't hate Kenny, but I kinda wish he stayed dead in Season 1 because it was more heroic than his death in Season 2. The cabin survivors, the real main characters in Season 2, were a big waste of time, all of them died randomly, their deaths meant nothing for Clem and they will never affect Season 3 (Just my thought). Season 2 was bad written as hell, I wish Season 1 writers didn't leave.
Some people didn't like season 2, if you liked it fine but a lot of people where really disappointed. I can't speak to your experience but from what I've seen people liked it in the beginning but become disenfranchised after episode 3. Nobody is keeping you from enjoying the game, you don't have to go threads where its criticized. People who where disappointed want to voice there opinion so it doesn't happen again. Most of season 2's critics aren't blind haters, they where fans of season 1.
It didn't. It was a great scene. Just because there are immature members that can't hear the words Jane and Kenny without throwing a tantrum doesn't mean it was a bad scene.
I honestly felt it was dumb and pointless.
I think it kind of did.
The tension between Luke and Kenny was literally planned out thoroughly through the season. I can't replay the game without noticing more and more between the two. That's why I don't believe Telltale when they said that Jane vs. Kenny was planned all along, it seemed like a last minute decision to bring her back in Episode 5.
So you're saying that people who thought the scene was bad = immature? No offence, but you're opinion isn't gospel and just because you think it was a great scene doesn't make it a great scene.
Well, it certainly ruined the forums.
I don't really blame season 2's problems on the writers as much as I used to. 400 Days was done by the season 1 team and it was exactly the same as season 2.
90 minutes long
No puzzles or hubs
Many characters' potential was wasted and didn't last long enough for us to care about them
No narrative focus or theme
Choices didn't matter until the ending
In hindsight, 400 Days was indicative of what to expect from season 2.
No that's not what I meant. I'm just a little frustrated with the way people act when it comes to Kenny amd Jane. I personally like both characters so many comments have annoyed me. I once saw a member literally try to convince another that Kenny's a monster because he/she liked him. And people outright saying their opinion is wrong.
You don't have to like the scene, I'm just annoyed about how certain members are acting.
Sorry for misunderstanding, thanks for clearing it up. And yes, I totally agree. I absolutely hate how people won't accept the fact that someone likes a character for their own reasons. As long as they can understand who the characters they like are, and don't try to shove some misconception about the character as in they're literally Jesus, then I'm content.
A thread still shouldn't ruin an individual's experience. It didn't ruin the game at all, and outside of the individual, it created very interesting discussion.
To be honest, the different endings should be one of the reasons to be hyped for Season 3, not to destroy Season 2's worth like some people do. I understand completely what you mean, and that's most likely true.
400 Days was a waste of time. Worst DLC ever existed. I assume no one ever plans replaying that since we know they do nothing but say Hi.
The alternate endings mean either there both gonna die or season 3 will have nothing to do with them, I don't think they have the manpower to make storylines for all the endings. It is already apparently taxing on them to do just one.