Ser Royland Degore VS Harys
Who would win ?
Dont just type a name please, Tell me a reason 
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Who would win ?
Dont just type a name please, Tell me a reason
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I dunno. Harys, cause he's huge?
Royland is well trained and have a long experience as master of arms; he also knows some tricks to defeat opponents, just as the one Rodrik learnt from him.
He also managed to survive against three soldiers in my playthrough with an injured hand.
On the other hand, Harys is strong, young, so he's got the physical point over Royland.
It's the same as wondering which of the Mountain or the Viper would win.. Both have advantages, there's no certainty of which one would win.
Still imo I would say it's Royland.
Harys has the size advantage, better armor and most times he fights smartly - tripping Royland from the behind, throwing a spear at Beast instead of coming closer, attacking Forrester brother on a horse and with a warhammer instead of getting into an equal sword fight right away. I'd say, he is more likely to win, of course if Royland doesn't get real lucky and has someone to help him, like the surviving brother did.
I think it'd be pretty close and an awesome fight. In EP6 Asher/Rodrik only varely beat Harys. Granted they were wounded but still.
Royland is more than capable, but Harys has such a size advantage that I have a hard time seeing Royland winning. He would probably wound Harys before dying, but unfortunately Harys would trash him.
Does being knighted by Robert Baratheon count for anything? Royland has fought in wars. Knights>>> Mercenaries or Sellswords
He is huge, huh? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Size isn't everything my friend.
Harys- Strength, Reach, Youth
Royland- Experience, Skill
I say Royland is at a slight disadvantage, he wouldn't be trashed but he'd be fighting the uphill battle. He'd have to do a trick like what he taught Rodrik, and even then he'd have to be very careful.
He is actually...
He's strong and smart as well. Royland is at a disadvantage here.
Smart? How so?
See @Krapinka 's post below
Attacking the beast from far away, fighting on a horse, attacking from behind.. It's basic logic though.
I'm just implying that he's not an idiot.
Honestly, You have to really think about this for putting anything down. There's a lot the Game doesn't show about Royland and we don't have a lot to go on with Harys himself, but conclusions can be made. Objectively, I believe it is quite a close match, they are equally matched and equipped in my opinion. In a way, I think Harys is an Expy of Royland himself, but with minor alterations to his character.
I'll break this down...
I'll start with Royland. He's an older man, I say in his fifties, but still highly able-bodied and strong. What the Game doesn't show, since the player is the one making most of the decisions, is that he's also a Military Genius. This about him, however, is hampered by his tendency for letting his anger get the best of him. We learn of some of his exploits in his Codex. He destroyed some of the Ironborn fleet in the Greyjoy Rebellion by not directly fighting them; he cut their moorings and set the boats on fire, I suspect that any Ironborn who managed to escape were found and killed by the men he was leading. Yet, I shall bring up his age again, if he's in his fifties, he's also fought in Robert's Rebellion, which means he has fought in two very different wars. Royland is also highborn, of a knightly house, meaning he was brought up to be a warrior and taught military expertise and how to handle all types of weaponry. He's also known for helping end the Greyjoy Rebellion at the Siege of Pyke, which I presume, means he helped them plan the attack.
Royland is a seasoned and experienced warrior, yet he's an older man, not by much ( I believe Harys might be in his early forties ) and has a temper issue that can get so bad that he stops thinking. While he is older, this doesn't necessarily mean he's weak; he endures a shot to his solar plexus in Episode One, which should knock people flat and wind them, but he's still standing— that's some impressive pain control, and here, he wasn't even trying to fight anyone... He was just trying to get to Ethan. Later on in Episode Three, when he fights the two Whitehill soldiers and tries to fight Harys, he does so tactically, even when his anger has mostly blinded him for the humiliation that Gryff was dealing on Rodrik. I don't think he was actually expecting Harys at this moment which is why he was surprised and knocked flat by him. Looking back on the scene, I can't seem to find Harys anywhere beforehand until he shows up to knock Royland down.
In the final episode, if you have him as your Sentinel; he's the one dealing with the Whitehills before the whole Army gets into Ironrath after the gate is broken down ( How the smaller force ever got in is beyond me. Especially since the gate was closed the whole time, I believe. Doubt that Ludd/Gryff would know of the side entrance unless shown ). He was apparently handling it well too until the gate is finally broken down by the majority of the Whitehill Army. We lose him in the Siege for a while since we're facing Harys for some time but when we see Royland again, he's covered in blood, which seems to be none of his own as he appears to have no wounds. If you executed Duncan as the traitor, we briefly see him fighting off Whitehill Soldiers after getting Rodrik/Asher out of Ironrath, and in the end, he manages to survive against six or seven Whitehill soldiers and escape an overrun Ironrath to eventually find Talia and later Rodrik without, again, any scratches or wounds, except for his hand due to grabbing the one Whitehill's sword in his hand.
Honestly, it doesn't seem that Royland's age, though we don't exactly know any of their ages besides Asher's and Ryon's, hampers his ability to fight. He's pretty badass for being so old ( Again, likely Fifties in my honest opinion ). So, I wouldn't necessarily say this is a con for him, due to our limited knowledge of certain aspects of the characters. He also trains regularly with his soldiers, which helps keep him sharp and in shape; there are men out there that are called "old" that are lot more physically fit and active than expected of them. Just because he's old doesn't necessarily make it a disadvantage because he could still be physically well off enough to be conditioned in a way that makes him younger in body. And I believe he proves this with escaping from a besieged Ironrath in Episode Six. His strength is up for debate, there's not a true way to determine this. So, this, too, I will say is in neutral territory.
Onwards, onto the subject of Armor... Royland's seems to be a mix of both heavy and light armor. Some of it appears to be leather but it's also plated. Which likely offers him a better sense of mobility ( e.g. his fancy punching and twisting and turning and dodging ) which heavy armor doesn't have due to being made entirely of steel plate, which is what Harys is wearing, which should make his mobility lacking but I'll raise this later on. Royland's armor is steel plate but it's padded underneath by leather, and as a Knight, he likely wears chainmail beneath his armor as well— What I believe he wears as armor consists of a Gambeson ( Leather armor padded with Cloth, absorbs blows beneath the actual armor ), Chainmail, and Scale armor ( Which is a garment with a bunch of plates of steel stitched into it. Sound familiar, right? ). Royland's not burdened by extremely heavy armor. Historically, in all actual Logic, Royland would have the advantage by not wearing heavy steel plate like Harys is. So, I will put this as a pro for him.
I must also mention that actual Armor and the Armor in game varies ( for effect mostly, I mean, we all want to see people die in this world, otherwise it wouldn't be GOT ). In real life, Leather armor can withstand a sword, if it's not thrusted straight at it; however, if a man is sliced in leather armor and hit, it can break ribs but not open a wound. Against Iron or Steel armor? It's not that easy again, either. A Longsword/Greatsword cannot break through iron or steel plate with ease, with strength and expertly placed hits, it will cause damage to bone and muscle beneath but most of the impact is absorbed by layers beneath the outer armor. If Thrusted, it can penetrate, but not as deeply as we all like and are conditioned to think through movies and games. A Longsword/Greatsword was meant to be thrusted at the vulnerable spots in a Knight's armor and as armor developed in the Medieval Era, so did the blades to combat the changes. They got narrower for thrusting, the edges became sharper for slicing; still, it would take an unbelievable amount of human strength ( Which neither Royland or Harys possess. Neither carry Valyrian steel either, so that doesn't negate anything either ) to properly impale a person like Harys did to Rodrik/Asher in his gut... Asher was easier due to wearing cloth but he really had no time to change before the siege began, another example is Elissa. Rodrik should not have been impaled as easily as Harys did to him since he was wearing Steel plate armor himself.
Now, onto Harys, this is going to be shorter due to the lack of knowledge on him. What we know of Harys' background is little and we can only draw conclusions from what is offered in the game.
We first meet him in Episode Three, he was not with the Garrison before, instead coming to Ironrath beside Gryff. This leads me to believe they are close friends due to the respect he seems to hold for Gryff, as well as the way they sometimes seem to silently communicate with each other. Which will bring me to my first thought of Harys... He has a Temper, not as blatant as Royland's, but I believe his temper connects to any perceived slights/threats against Gryff. He's levelheaded until Gryff is brought into the equation. His anger is more controlled and he keeps a level head most of the time but it doesn't seem to actively influence him and certainly wouldn't be something that would affect his ability to fight, so I will put this in neutral territory, though I will mention that people get stronger when they are angry. So, in this proverbial battle, if perhaps Royland taunted him about Gryff, then it would become an advantage for him but if his anger is as bad as Royland's— it can quickly become a disadvantage for him.
Harys does not have a specified age either but I range him to be in his earlier forties, which would make a ten year or so difference between him and Royland age-wise. So, yes, Youth could be a pro but other things can hamper his Youth to make it neither a pro or con.
He is known for his size and his strength which I categorize as both pros. His size can offer him leverage over Royland where he can put more weight forward if they lock swords in this battle. His strength is known too by the Warhammer he wields in Episode six. That's not a light weapon and especially not if he's wielding it with only one hand. However, both the Greatsword he wields and the Warhammer are Heavy weapons, which can prove to disadvantage him whilst Royland wields a sword. He has a bonus in Reach but swinging those around slow people down and take more stamina compared to a simple steel sword. Harys, however, does make up for this in "Battle" smarts, I'll call it, due to his exploits in earlier episodes and in episode six itself. He never faces a person directly head-on if he can help it — he knocks Royland down in Episode Three after appearing out of thin air, he kills the Beast with a spear, and faces Rodrik/Asher on Horseback first before he's forced into close combat; however, Royland too is the same way, so they're equal in this area as Royland does analyze who he's fighting in Episode Three which is why he knocks the two Soldiers flat so quickly and he has expert control over the situation in Episode Six before the gate falls.
Now, though, I will come to the situation of Harys' armor. He's wearing Steel Plate Armor which can weigh up to a hundred pounds/fifty kilograms. It will hamper movement regardless of how strong Harys is because he's likely wearing more armor beneath what he has as well: a Byrnie and likely a Brigandine, which is worn by men-at-arms and this is what Harys is, he's not a master-at-arms or a knight, Harys is merely another soldier. He will be weighed down by the Steel Plate and Brigandine, which is heavier than the Scale Armor and Gambeson.
Royland's Armor has a total weight of: 71 lbs/32 kg
Harys' Armor has a total weight of: 178 lbs/80 kg
Note: Not completely accurate, every source varies about the weight of different pieces of armor.
But Soldiers grow used to their armor the longer they use it and wear it. And historically, it is said that some men in full armor could perform amazing feats but the armor would still wear down on a man after time. The heavier it is, the quicker it takes it out on a person's strength due to the constant movement of fighting, defending, dodging, et cetera. Harys would be disadvantaged by this if he's unable to get in lucky shots in the beginning on Royland. His mobility is lacking, thus, this is proven to be a con.
Honestly, though, in my opinion— This would be a Mountain vs. the Viper situation if it ever occurred. Taller, seemingly stronger man versus the smaller, yet more versatile man. I think it would heavily rely on the environment they fight in to determine who really wins because I believe this is an equal match between both men. It would be the environment that determines it by how they use what is around them to their advantage.
So, TL;DR: Basically, here's Royland & Harys' pros and cons from an objective standpoint.
Royland's Pros:
Neutral Ground:
Cons:
Harys' Pros:
Neutral Ground:
Harys' Cons:
Wow wow, calmn down about it; I like Royland but he isn't as good as that. A dozen don't represent the Iron fleet, and even more it doesn't represent the Ironborn fleet.
Stannis crushed the ironfleet though.
It's in his Codex that he burned some of the fleet that was anchored off of Sea Dragon Point. Yeah, Stannis officially destroyed the Iron Fleet in the war, but looks like he got help in the game world through Royland. Plus, we don't know the exact number of ships that was in the Iron Fleet either. So, could have been half, could have been only twelve, could have only been three. Who knows?
Either way, it's impressive and worth noting.
The iron fleet and the ironborn fleet are two differents things.
The iron fleet had been destroyed by Stannis and Royland has no part about it since Royland destroyed some boats in the North.
Stannis destroyed the iron fleet in the Fair Islands, so in the westerland.
It is a lie to say Royland helped him winning.
Also all ironborn were in that war around Lannisport/westerland
This link says it was a dozen. True of false he didn't have that much of an impact.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Royland_Degore
All of the Longships of the Isles belongs to the Greyjoys as the Greyjoys rule over the Iron Islands and they call themselves "Ironborn". Thus, you have the whole Iron Fleet ruling out their fishing/trading boats. So, part of the Fleet caused havoc in the Westerlands, while another part remained at the North to transport the Ironborn warriors around so they could raid the North.
No, there are some boats which belong to them, making it "the Iron Fleet", like a common fleet.
The Ironborn fleet represents all the boats of the isle.
The whole conflict was about to attack Lannister's lands; there are not one mention of a fleet going north.
So if there were ironborn north, it was just some boats at least.
Awesome post and I completely agree with all of it. (In Rodrik's play through, that Whitehill force was BS). I think it would be very close but would have to give the edge to Harys personally.
(Sorry to niggle, but Royland isn't actually highborn. I believe the codex says Robert knighted him after Balon's Rebellion)
They raided the Riverlands, it's not so farfetched to think they might have possibly moved north. Royland is a Northman; this pulls up some red flags due to inconsistencies which bugs me truly but I've given up on trying to make something plausible out of this. But if his family died, that means that some of the Ironborn warriors had to have raided the North. Anyways, we're not exactly given an extremely detailed summary of the Greyjoy Rebellion ( I use the Book wiki because I trust it far more than the Show since they're so different ).
Raids occurred in the Riverlands. And if you look up where Sea Dragon Point is, it's located in the North, thus some of Raids went there as well.
Yes, Robert Baratheon knighted him; but yes, he is Highborn.
It doesn't specifically mention it but it gives that information in the Codex when it updates or something? Actually, just hold on, there's a page for it, though, not a lot of information because TT doesn't go in depth over personal background for most characters except the Forresters and Whitehills. Also another page for House Degore on the Game's Wiki.
Plus, for the Duncan vs. Royland... It would fit that he's Highborn to match Duncan's lowborn status to make the differences between them clearer.
Dude, it's half the realm away! The story about the war was told and it never mentionned it.
The only logical reason is that some raiders went north, but it never has been an huge army -maybe à la Theon as in S2/aCoK, a lord on his own.
And you're right, aSoIaF's wiki is more truthful.
Honestly, it's just an inconsistency of the game.
I know, I know. Half a World away. I've given up on trying to properly explain how it happened but he did burn those ships and did later participate in the Siege of Pyke, which got him Knighted, etc. It's a fault on Telltale's behalf. If they'd just open up about the other characters more, other than just the Forresters and Whitehills... I've just been studying and writing Royland for too long, so sorry, if at any point I sounded passive-aggressive... Royland just means a lot to me as a character.
No problem. I'm a big fan of his character too and it doesn't make your others points wrong, nor the fact that he played a big role in the siege of Pyke
btw I have the same kind of admiration but for Stannis, so that's why I ground teeth seeing Royland would have destroyed half the fleet.
Yeah, I fixed it earlier, I put down 'some' because it really is conflicting and TT doesn't really give this inconsistency any light, so, I tend to gloss over that part of his life.
Thanks, sorry I didn't know that!
wow
A lot to take in, I'm aware. I apologize for the Wall of text but you did ask for an explanation on our view! uwu
nono, It's AWESOME you wrote that much. And everything makes sense.
You are kinda making that Community better
Thanks. I do my best.