Gryff really loves his Father [SPOILER]
You can judge if Asher tries to kill or even manages to kill Ludd, Gryff gets into beast mode, puts up a good fight and even lands a brutal headbutt against Asher. Even when Asher Kills him, he still curses.
At Rodrik he only cries like a baby lol
Do you think he was just scared at Rodrik? Or was it because of his Father?
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i think he did that by instinct
Now that you mention it, Gryff's attitude towards Asher is probably because he was saving his father. I even said in my first playthrough "Say what you will about Gryff, but he died to save his father's life." Gryff is an amazing character, which makes me a little sad that he's dead in my playthrough.
To protect his Family, you mean?
I definitely think he was waaaaaay more scared of Rodrik.
But it was still very noble of him to save his father
yeah, you are right about that.
still... Amazing or not, He kinda deserved his Fate.
But it's interesting to see how he puts up an amazing fight against Asher
Part of it was that Gryff just didn't know Asher as well. If Gryff knew even partly what Asher is capable of, he would have been WAY more scared of him than Rodrik.
I'd say part of it was adrenaline to defend his father, and the other half was hatred of the Forresters.
I understand the crying thing as the fact that he was hit in the guts with a two handed sword (it must hurt a lot I think :P) and knew it was over and that he was dying all alone.
While yeah, while in the ambush Gryff knew that he died for something, and the pain was less strong (but he died quickly though) and there were people around.
I wouldn't say he deserved it. He was a dick yes, but he wasn't evil. Never really hurt anyone until Ramsay forced war on us.
Well, he did actually beat Ortengryn. I'm not saying he deserved to die though, his death scene by Rodrik's hands really broke my heart.
By hurt I meant REALLY hurt. Anything before the war was because of the tense rivalry between Gryff and Rodrik.
Basically he never TOUCHED Ortengryn. He ordered it.. What makes it worse for some people
Yeah, what do you think was happening between Rodrik and Gryff while the Starks were in Power?
That's funny... I was kind of smiling... and maybe laughing...
I'm a horrible person aren't I
To be fair, Gryff beat me into the mud in episode 3 then killed Asher in episode 5. I had no qualms sentencing him to death. Though I wish he could have died with more dignity.
When he started crying my wife was like "hahaha can you cut off his head now?" hahaha
Cocky Rodrik... I can totally see some occasion where they both happen to be, like the harvest feast in Winterfell, those things that happen in peaceful times and where most northern houses meet, and Rodrik, the cool firstborn young lord everyone is fond of & respects jokingly making fun of the fourthborn from a less powerful rival house, who's less strong, less handsome, less lucky... Just some mild teasing from where Rodrik stands, but for a victim of a lifetime of bullying from his brothers with low self-esteem, anger issues and complexes it must make him a villain, deserving of the worst.
Lol, feel free to ignore this, I'm just thinking out loud :Ь It's just, I've had this thing on my mind for a long time, thinking about what events from the past could lead to Gryff making that comment. I have a feeling, that things like this were part of the reason.
Yeah, from where I stand, you kindaaa are... :ь
I think they're just natural rivals. Their personality's clash. The two characters have great chemistry in the rival sort of way.
This sounds Realistic
TBH im fûcking glad he died. After all he did to the Forresters im not going to forgive that çunt.
I think that's why Gryff fights Asher like he does. It's on pure fervor over either the murder--or attempted murder--of his father. He fights a lot more aggressively; head-butting Asher, tackling him to the floor, and so forth. I killed Ludd as Rodrik, however, but I'm very, very interested to see how my maimed-Gryff with Ironrath and no father, with a Gwyn loyal to the Forresters in the wake of Asher's death, develops. All the while knowing Rodrik and his Sentinel Royland are still out there, somewhere. All logic dictates he should become a paranoid, disastrous mess -- not unlike how he does in Badgershite's AU.
But yes, there are plenty of hints throughout the series that Gryff loves his father, and his father loves him. Not to mention, Harys and Gryff even had their own, weird bond. However, do I feel any guilt towards maiming Gryff, killing his father and Harys, and then getting the hell out of dodge with Rodrik the Unbroken and Royland the Tank?
Nope. They still got off lightly compared to what I would have liked to have done.
I totally agree with you about Badgershite's AU.
I never really get that sentiment. Rodrik has been shown to be far more violent than Asher ever can be. That is not a good thing, at least not necessarily. But it is a thing.
How many people has Asher bludgeoned blind? How many heads has Asher ripped off with his hands? How many times has Asher said, he would murder children if need be?
In the end, though, I think it makes sense that Gryff is scared of Rodrik, but not Asher, and Ludd is scared of Asher, but not Rodrik.
Asher is still terrifying although he comes off as a goofy guy. He snaps several necks throughout the season, beats that Whitehill soldier into a pulp, fends off a dragon, and kills pretty much whoever he fights whether slavers, mercenaries, Whitehills, or blood thirsty pitfighters. Ludd is right to be scared of him.
I do agree with you though, Rodrik can be a pretty dark and angry fellow depending on how you play him.
Yeah, Asher is definitely a total badass, who deserves to be feared by the Whitehills. My only point was, I think Rodrik is, in fact, a lot more violent and aggressive than he is--which is kinda funny, considering everyone thinks of it as being the opposite. Both in the game and the fandom.
I believe there was a point where Asher is scarier and darker than Rodrik but during events of the game Rodrik gradually becomes darker and more aggressive.
@AgentZ46 I agree with that.
I imagine, growing up, Asher was more hot-headed, darker, and just generally more intimidating than Rodrik...
However, post-Red-Wedding Rodrik, and especially post-Episode-5-Rodrik, takes the mantle of being the darkest, most violent Forrester. (Which, as has been said before, is hardly a prestigious thing).
Asher mellows out during his time as an exile, while Rodrik does the exact opposite during his time under the Whitehill Occuaption.