Before you mention what an asshole he was to Lee, keep in mind that Lee was a convicted killer who had killed a state senator. This can get you a bad reputation pretty quickly, even if you don't believe it. Acting like that toward Lee probably was a way of telling Lee not to mess with him or his daughter.
Before you mention what an asshole he was to Lee, keep in mind that Lee was a convicted killer who had killed a state senator. This can get … moreyou a bad reputation pretty quickly, even if you don't believe it. Acting like that toward Lee probably was a way of telling Lee not to mess with him or his daughter.
Just imagine, if Larry was the protagonist of Season 1 instead of Lee, and the audience reached the part where Lee breaks inside their safe haven with a child accompanying him, while knowing exactly who he is and what he has done, I doubt they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Yeah and not thank him for risking his own brother to grab the keys from the office to bring medicine. "Claps". What would you say if a criminal saved your life?
Just imagine, if Larry was the protagonist of Season 1 instead of Lee, and the audience reached the part where Lee breaks inside their safe … morehaven with a child accompanying him, while knowing exactly who he is and what he has done, I doubt they would have welcomed him with open arms.
How would Larry know that the trapped walker who held the keys was his own brother? Lee never outright states that he's the son of the owner who owns the shop everyone is hiding in, and the walker who held the keys was a relative of his, because he doesn't want anyone to find out that he's related to the family and that he's on the run from the law. Unless Larry did some extensive research on the criminal that was just advertised on TV before the zombie apocalypse, I doubt he would know anything about his family.
And it depends on the criminal, their crime, and their motivations. One one hand, Lee went out of his way to save your life in spite of having committed a murder, though it did inadvertently end up attracting a mass of walkers towards their way, when he could have easily done nothing. Plus, he's caring for a child who have just lost her parents and is trying his best to console her and to see if he can reunite her supposedly living parents back to their daughter.
On the other hand, Lee is a confirmed murderer by the press, who is the only person in the group who have experienced killing someone and may do it again, is unrecognized by many expect you (and Carley), is seen talking to your only living relative you have left, and is supposedly caring for a random little girl who may not even be related to him, and is also accompanied with a family who gave your group's position away and almost let a few walkers inside the building.
If Larry was the protagonist, and not Lee, then I'd argue that most would agree that they would be very suspicious towards Lee and would naturally assume that he a danger to be around.
Yeah and not thank him for risking his own brother to grab the keys from the office to bring medicine. "Claps". What would you say if a criminal saved your life?
Still though, with all things considered, despite Lee's status as a criminal, the guy has been nothing short of helpful since showing up; saves the girl he's with from a walker inside the store, offers to help get the medicine, goes out to help rescue Glenn and brings him back safely, finds the keys for the pharmacy, helps defend the drugstore when it's attacked, saves the life of one of the people in your group (even if it's at the cost of another), and saves the little girl he is with yet again. Among other things he can do is give food to the kid he's looking after, give food to Lilly, give Larry the benefit of the doubt regarding his attitude, and stand up to Larry in defense of everyone else in the store ("Becuase it's me before anyone else in here!"). Lee can even outright side with Larry in the drugstore and agree to toss Duck out, ergo, never even antagonizing or getting violent with Larry.
Lee showed -- or can show -- practically no signs of being malicious, despite having multiple opportunities to be
I mean, I could understand if he still didn't trust him, sure. But punching him in the face and outright leaving him to die?
How would Larry know that the trapped walker who held the keys was his own brother? Lee never outright states that he's the son of the owner… more who owns the shop everyone is hiding in, and the walker who held the keys was a relative of his, because he doesn't want anyone to find out that he's related to the family and that he's on the run from the law. Unless Larry did some extensive research on the criminal that was just advertised on TV before the zombie apocalypse, I doubt he would know anything about his family.
And it depends on the criminal, their crime, and their motivations. One one hand, Lee went out of his way to save your life in spite of having committed a murder, though it did inadvertently end up attracting a mass of walkers towards their way, when he could have easily done nothing. Plus, he's caring for a child who have just lost her parents and is trying his best to console her and to see if he can reunite her supposedly livin… [view original content]
True, Lee is shown to be genuine and caring at the end of the day, but that's more or less because he's our protagonist and he's written to be a good guy with blood on his hands, or a scumbag with a hidden heart of gold, depending on how the player's choice. He wasn't meant to be written as a irredeemable criminal.
But in my hypothetical scenario with Larry as the protagonist, we don't see much of Lee's history other than that he's has murdered a senator, was on the run, and somehow managed to escape from the law with a child under his wing, and he's now in front of us and indirectly became a part of our group. While he may help rescue Glenn from danger, offer food to everyone, help Larry find medication, oppose the plan to throw a suspected bite victim out of the building, and rescue Clementine from a hidden walker inside the building...but who's to say that it's all a façade? Perhaps he is deliberately painting himself in a positive and sympathetic light to lull everyone in the group in a false sense of security?
While not every criminal is a textbook sociopath or an expert manipulator, would you readily trust a known murderer to go near your only known living relative left, especially when he just so happens to have a random innocent child under his wing who is probably not even his? Would you trust him to not kill again should he get angry and is pushed to the limit?
I wouldn't say that every player would choose the option to [Punch Lee], but I doubt many would be all too eager to allow him to slip under the radar and carry out plans for fear of his actions putting everyone lives at risk. Punching Lee and leaving him to die was wrong, but it was understandable. Lee was a criminal for a good reason, and this occurred before the zombie apocalypse had yet to truly begin, so it shouldn't wash his slate clean.
Still though, with all things considered, despite Lee's status as a criminal, the guy has been nothing short of helpful since showing up; sa… moreves the girl he's with from a walker inside the store, offers to help get the medicine, goes out to help rescue Glenn and brings him back safely, finds the keys for the pharmacy, helps defend the drugstore when it's attacked, saves the life of one of the people in your group (even if it's at the cost of another), and saves the little girl he is with yet again. Among other things he can do is give food to the kid he's looking after, give food to Lilly, give Larry the benefit of the doubt regarding his attitude, and stand up to Larry in defense of everyone else in the store ("Becuase it's me before anyone else in here!"). Lee can even outright side with Larry in the drugstore and agree to toss Duck out, ergo, never even antagonizing or getting violent with Larry.
Lee showed -- or can show -- practically … [view original content]
Before you mention what an asshole he was to Lee, keep in mind that Lee was a convicted killer who had killed a state senator. This can get … moreyou a bad reputation pretty quickly, even if you don't believe it. Acting like that toward Lee probably was a way of telling Lee not to mess with him or his daughter.
When Kenny first joined the pharmacy group, he was carrying a kid who had been seen surrounded by walkers seconds ago, and Kenny stated several times that Duck wasn't bitten, even though Katjaa hadn't even finished cleaning their son from muck. Kenny could even, propelled by Lee, punch Larry in the face, and you could argue that the whole situation caused Larry to have a heart attack in the first place. Three months later, Kenny and Larry's daughter argue non-stop, even though Lilly was the group leader at the time.
Larry hasn't been seen directly interacting with Katjaa or Duck, but Carley, Doug and Lilly weren't either. It can be assumed that he had a passive relationship with them.
Larry has been shown to care about Clementine, or more precisely, worry about her, given that she is under a convicted killer's care. The day Lee and Larry met, the latter even states that Lee should watch his ass if something strange happens to the girl.
I do agree that Larry was an asshole to Carley. He called her a bitch with an "itchy trigger-finger" when she saved Clementine by firing her gun. It's important to note that the shot did attract walkers to the drug store. Can't really remember Larry and Doug ever interacted on-screen, but Doug does seem more saddened than Carley about Larry's death.
Larry was seen excessively pushing Mark and calling him a "pansy". I can't be the only one who felt like Mark had a crush on Lee; that could explain why Larry disliked Mark, while also marking him as a homophobe.
It can be assumed that Larry disliked Ben because joined the group while they were low on food, in the border of inevitable starvation, and that would cause him and his daughter to eat less frequently.
So yeah, while he was a jackass to some, most of those times we can understand why he does, and he didn't talk to some others all that much.
I would have thought that he calls Mark a pansy because of his weaker build, not him being attracted to Lee, which I'm not sure if that is the case to begin with.
Near the end of Episode 2 there's a video footage of Larry and Mark carrying a settee out of one of the Motor Inn rooms, and Mark is seen struggling to lift it, while Larry appears to have no trouble at all.
* When Kenny first joined the pharmacy group, he was carrying a kid who had been seen surrounded by walkers seconds ago, and Kenny stated se… moreveral times that Duck wasn't bitten, even though Katjaa hadn't even finished cleaning their son from muck. Kenny could even, propelled by Lee, punch Larry in the face, and you could argue that the whole situation caused Larry to have a heart attack in the first place. Three months later, Kenny and Larry's daughter argue non-stop, even though Lilly was the group leader at the time.
* Larry hasn't been seen directly interacting with Katjaa or Duck, but Carley, Doug and Lilly weren't either. It can be assumed that he had a passive relationship with them.
* Larry has been shown to care about Clementine, or more precisely, worry about her, given that she is under a convicted killer's care. The day Lee and Larry met, the latter even states that Lee should watch his ass if something strange happens to the girl… [view original content]
* When Kenny first joined the pharmacy group, he was carrying a kid who had been seen surrounded by walkers seconds ago, and Kenny stated se… moreveral times that Duck wasn't bitten, even though Katjaa hadn't even finished cleaning their son from muck. Kenny could even, propelled by Lee, punch Larry in the face, and you could argue that the whole situation caused Larry to have a heart attack in the first place. Three months later, Kenny and Larry's daughter argue non-stop, even though Lilly was the group leader at the time.
* Larry hasn't been seen directly interacting with Katjaa or Duck, but Carley, Doug and Lilly weren't either. It can be assumed that he had a passive relationship with them.
* Larry has been shown to care about Clementine, or more precisely, worry about her, given that she is under a convicted killer's care. The day Lee and Larry met, the latter even states that Lee should watch his ass if something strange happens to the girl… [view original content]
I would have thought that he calls Mark a pansy because of his weaker build, not him being attracted to Lee, which I'm not sure if that is t… morehe case to begin with.
Near the end of Episode 2 there's a video footage of Larry and Mark carrying a settee out of one of the Motor Inn rooms, and Mark is seen struggling to lift it, while Larry appears to have no trouble at all.
I remember that. You could be right, now that I think about it. It would connect with Mark not being able to hold the damn board steady.
… more not him being attracted to Lee, which I'm not sure if that is the case to begin with
I was not shipping them to be clear, LOL!
I meant that I wasn't hoping for them to be together. We knew that Lee had been married, and he was showing interest in Carley. I've never really shipped any pair of characters either.
I meant that I wasn't hoping for them to be together. We knew that Lee had been married, and he was showing interest in Carley. I've never really shipped any pair of characters either.
And yeah, of course.
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LOL, yes
The irony is that he wants to kill Duck but has the same voice of a Duck.
Before you mention what an asshole he was to Lee, keep in mind that Lee was a convicted killer who had killed a state senator. This can get you a bad reputation pretty quickly, even if you don't believe it. Acting like that toward Lee probably was a way of telling Lee not to mess with him or his daughter.
Very well said. A lot of people are forgetting Lee was on his way to prison for felony murder. Larry was being an SOB, but for a very good reason.
No.
I liked Larry
Lmao hell yeah he was. Couldn't wait to kill that block headed busta after he tried to kill me.
Just imagine, if Larry was the protagonist of Season 1 instead of Lee, and the audience reached the part where Lee breaks inside their safe haven with a child accompanying him, while knowing exactly who he is and what he has done, I doubt they would have welcomed him with open arms.
Yeah and not thank him for risking his own brother to grab the keys from the office to bring medicine. "Claps". What would you say if a criminal saved your life?
How would Larry know that the trapped walker who held the keys was his own brother? Lee never outright states that he's the son of the owner who owns the shop everyone is hiding in, and the walker who held the keys was a relative of his, because he doesn't want anyone to find out that he's related to the family and that he's on the run from the law. Unless Larry did some extensive research on the criminal that was just advertised on TV before the zombie apocalypse, I doubt he would know anything about his family.
And it depends on the criminal, their crime, and their motivations. One one hand, Lee went out of his way to save your life in spite of having committed a murder, though it did inadvertently end up attracting a mass of walkers towards their way, when he could have easily done nothing. Plus, he's caring for a child who have just lost her parents and is trying his best to console her and to see if he can reunite her supposedly living parents back to their daughter.
On the other hand, Lee is a confirmed murderer by the press, who is the only person in the group who have experienced killing someone and may do it again, is unrecognized by many expect you (and Carley), is seen talking to your only living relative you have left, and is supposedly caring for a random little girl who may not even be related to him, and is also accompanied with a family who gave your group's position away and almost let a few walkers inside the building.
If Larry was the protagonist, and not Lee, then I'd argue that most would agree that they would be very suspicious towards Lee and would naturally assume that he a danger to be around.
Still though, with all things considered, despite Lee's status as a criminal, the guy has been nothing short of helpful since showing up; saves the girl he's with from a walker inside the store, offers to help get the medicine, goes out to help rescue Glenn and brings him back safely, finds the keys for the pharmacy, helps defend the drugstore when it's attacked, saves the life of one of the people in your group (even if it's at the cost of another), and saves the little girl he is with yet again. Among other things he can do is give food to the kid he's looking after, give food to Lilly, give Larry the benefit of the doubt regarding his attitude, and stand up to Larry in defense of everyone else in the store ("Becuase it's me before anyone else in here!"). Lee can even outright side with Larry in the drugstore and agree to toss Duck out, ergo, never even antagonizing or getting violent with Larry.
Lee showed -- or can show -- practically no signs of being malicious, despite having multiple opportunities to be
I mean, I could understand if he still didn't trust him, sure. But punching him in the face and outright leaving him to die?
True, Lee is shown to be genuine and caring at the end of the day, but that's more or less because he's our protagonist and he's written to be a good guy with blood on his hands, or a scumbag with a hidden heart of gold, depending on how the player's choice. He wasn't meant to be written as a irredeemable criminal.
But in my hypothetical scenario with Larry as the protagonist, we don't see much of Lee's history other than that he's has murdered a senator, was on the run, and somehow managed to escape from the law with a child under his wing, and he's now in front of us and indirectly became a part of our group. While he may help rescue Glenn from danger, offer food to everyone, help Larry find medication, oppose the plan to throw a suspected bite victim out of the building, and rescue Clementine from a hidden walker inside the building...but who's to say that it's all a façade? Perhaps he is deliberately painting himself in a positive and sympathetic light to lull everyone in the group in a false sense of security?
While not every criminal is a textbook sociopath or an expert manipulator, would you readily trust a known murderer to go near your only known living relative left, especially when he just so happens to have a random innocent child under his wing who is probably not even his? Would you trust him to not kill again should he get angry and is pushed to the limit?
I wouldn't say that every player would choose the option to [Punch Lee], but I doubt many would be all too eager to allow him to slip under the radar and carry out plans for fear of his actions putting everyone lives at risk. Punching Lee and leaving him to die was wrong, but it was understandable. Lee was a criminal for a good reason, and this occurred before the zombie apocalypse had yet to truly begin, so it shouldn't wash his slate clean.
Again, this is just my hypothetical scenario.
The think is, he acted like that to everyone except for his daughter :P
So yeah, while he was a jackass to some, most of those times we can understand why he does, and he didn't talk to some others all that much.
I would have thought that he calls Mark a pansy because of his weaker build, not him being attracted to Lee, which I'm not sure if that is the case to begin with.
Near the end of Episode 2 there's a video footage of Larry and Mark carrying a settee out of one of the Motor Inn rooms, and Mark is seen struggling to lift it, while Larry appears to have no trouble at all.
Yeah, we can understand some of those, but he could still be nice to people even trough they aren't 100% likeable.
We agree on that—we can all say that Larry was an asshole.
YEAH! :P
I remember that. You could be right, now that I think about it. It would connect with Mark not being able to hold the damn board steady.
I was not shipping them to be clear, LOL!
obviously.
Hey now, a little shipping never hurts anyone.
Well, as long as you don't mention you-know-what, then you're in the clear.
I meant that I wasn't hoping for them to be together. We knew that Lee had been married, and he was showing interest in Carley. I've never really shipped any pair of characters either.
And yeah, of course.
I know, I know, I was just joking around.
I don't really pair up any characters myself.
No! It was Duck ofc!
Look at the las thing that happened when Larry was an asshole to somoney in the pre-apocalypticworld. Observe!
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