To be honest, I don't think John knew that Sam and Greg had been messing with this community, or even know about its existence, for that matter. Samantha makes it sound like she just snuck in there and took some supplies twice. John says that Sam is the one who "finds supplies," which could be the reason why Sam and Greg initially planned to hide some of the stolen supplies on the ferry to bring them progressively to the house, so that it didn't seem suspicious.
It's never confirmed that he killed those people for no reason.
Sure a dying man said that he killed the whole crew on the ferry. But if … morewe know Randall we also know he lied to get into people's heads. Just like an FBI agent would if they needed to bide time until their crew came to rescue them. Randall is a great actor but he's far from a vindictive murderer.
Why should I trust what Sam says more than what Norma said? Norma seems way more trustworthy than Sam. Yeah the plot makes her get mad at us even when we tell the truth, but she still has a pretty good reason. I mean did Sam not have one of her bags in episode 3 at her frickin house!!!!
Norma and Randall are justified. The only reason we did what we did is because it's not ok to kill kids. Or else Sam should've been beheaded and Sams family shoulda came to work for Norma. It sounds like a prison but it's an actual community compared to where John had his kids.
Dead bodies can be dead bodies. TWD isn't known to be to realistic or to tell you the whole truth for that matter so who's to say that he killed the kids? Maybe he killed the kid's murderers, the truth is we don't know. We can choose to trust Sam or Randall, either way it's a choice.
I'm pretty sure he didn't just shoot John. It's my opinion but I think Randall is as crazy as any one is in the apocalypse. He killed John mostly because he was just in the way, he probably didn't know who he was until he saw the kids. Doesn't make him as bad as everyone seems to make him out to be.
I just don't like hating people that end up on the wrong side of the sword. Everyone has a story. I'm not saying your implying it's all black and white, but this story especially was a bit more layered on purpose and to write him off as just a lunatic and saying he did something that isn't confirmed is detrimental to the story.
It's never confirmed that he killed those people for no reason.
Randall is a great actor but he's far from a vindictive murderer.
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There were children who had been murdered on that boat. Please explain how that makes him not a murderer. And how on earth, even if there weren't children, would he not be a murderer#? He shoots sam's dad out of nowhere not knowing who he was for one thing.
You seem to just like Randall a lot..is that accurate?
I also can't blame Randall for not knowing about their dad or giving a damn. If they're are sick ppl they have to deal with and all they got is Jonas then why should he care about two teens that stole more than one bag (which is more than what two ppl would need) from his community.
To be honest, I don't think John knew that Sam and Greg had been messing with this community, or even know about its existence, for that mat… moreter. Samantha makes it sound like she just snuck in there and took some supplies twice. John says that Sam is the one who "finds supplies," which could be the reason why Sam and Greg initially planned to hide some of the stolen supplies on the ferry to bring them progressively to the house, so that it didn't seem suspicious.
I genuinely apologize. I am having some sort of mental inconcordance right now.
I was sure that my comment had to do with what you said earlier, but I can't seem to connect both now. I also don't really understand how your new comment connects to the one I posted previously.
I also can't blame Randall for not knowing about their dad or giving a damn. If they're are sick ppl they have to deal with and all they got… more is Jonas then why should he care about two teens that stole more than one bag (which is more than what two ppl would need) from his community.
In a sense his family.
What? You should always make a huge deal when someone steals your supplies. Especially when you're in a zombie apocalypse and supplies are incredibly limited.
I don't blame Sam at all. Norma's group made a huge deal out of this, including imprisoning two innocent people. This seemed like another di… morectatorship, a group who wouldn't let people go if they wanted to. And Norma's brother was a psycho, so leaving him in charge for ANYTHING is stupid and dangerous. Norma should've known better if she truly cared. I also think that it was Randall's group who savagely killed the people on the boat. And I think Norma wouldn't give a damn. Not to mention she reminds me a lot of the cannibal mom from season 1. Shudder...
Thats just..... Of course overall its many peoples fault but sam is the one who starts this whole chain of events off, using some ridiculous back peddle example with andrea and michonne and an example is ridiculous.
In a sense it was Michonnes fault for saving Andrea.. If we want to get all the way technical.
No it is not Sam's fault. It's everyone fault. It's even Berto's fault.
Were her and her husband even separated or did she just move away? Even if they were separated she still moved further away than needed.
Also this chain of events exaggeration is getting annoying, yes there were other factors at play but Sam is the main cause of the events of the game, unintentionally or not.
Dead bodies can be dead bodies. TWD isn't known to be to realistic or to tell you the whole truth for that matter so who's to say that he ki… morelled the kids? Maybe he killed the kid's murderers, the truth is we don't know. We can choose to trust Sam or Randall, either way it's a choice.
I'm pretty sure he didn't just shoot John. It's my opinion but I think Randall is as crazy as any one is in the apocalypse. He killed John mostly because he was just in the way, he probably didn't know who he was until he saw the kids. Doesn't make him as bad as everyone seems to make him out to be.
I just don't like hating people that end up on the wrong side of the sword. Everyone has a story. I'm not saying your implying it's all black and white, but this story especially was a bit more layered on purpose and to write him off as just a lunatic and saying he did something that isn't confirmed is detrimental to the story.
Idk that's just me
Because if you don't they'll come back, steal again, burn your home, kill your brother and you too! And somehow they'll still be the heroes of the story.
Were her and her husband even separated or did she just move away? Even if they were separated she still moved further away than needed.
It was under the excuse that she needed to live closer to her job, but I'm not so sure about that. She has remarked that their marriage was in crumbles, and it is known that she had a boyfriend when the apocalypse started—who she used to talk to as a hallucination as well—so she might've been with him when she divorced Dominic, but didn't tell the daughters anything to feel good about herself.
I know your likely joking but
* Were her and her husband even separated or did she just move away? Even if they were separated she stil… morel moved further away than needed.
* Also this chain of events exaggeration is getting annoying, yes there were other factors at play but Sam is the main cause of the events of the game, unintentionally or not.
I completely agree. I didn't like Sam till the end, I was willing to protect her little siblings because they are innocent and I was even sad for her brother and father who got killed, but for Sam I have no liking at all. She got away with stealing once, which was already bad enough because you don't fucking steal from people who have it jsut as hard to survive than you do. And instead of staying away, she actually did it AGAIN! Since episode one I actually wanted to negotiate with Norma to just let me and my friend go and let them keep Sam.
Honestly, I think Sam's problem is that she thinks she's more important than anybody else, she and her family have more right to food, to safety, to survive, she stole from people who did nothing for her, she wanted to kill several people in revenge without thinking about how that would work out for anybody else. She does admit to stealing, yes, but do we really think she felt remorse? No! I think, she would have done the same thing again and again and Norma was quite in her right to capture her and question her.
So yes, of course everybody is somehow involved in how the plot worked out, but basically it is all Sam's fault, she got herself and her brother into this situation, she dragged Michonne and her people into the shit as well, she even wanted to push her shit on innocent people! Her first reaction upon being caught by Randal, was to blame it all on Michonne and her friend. When they needed Randal to negotiate, so Michonne could get her people back, Sam wanted to kill him without thinking of the other people who might get killed because of it. That is why I don't like her. Everybody makes mistakes, but placing yourself and your anger and wish for revenge over other people and their friend's lives, even though they did nothing but try to help although they just were in this situation because of you, that makes you a selfish person in my mind and much worse than Norma.
that aside, I still don't know what happened with the people on the ferry ...
That's the point in the first line. the blame game is absurd.
Sam didn't really start anything because it never stopped. It may be a story to us but if it is reality then they were just going through life and things happened. There's no blame because at the end of the day this plot was unavoidable.
I guess if we want to place blame, it's Petes fault for trying to look for Rashid and Vanessa. Or even for saving Michonne. Cause that's how it all started.
Thats just..... Of course overall its many peoples fault but sam is the one who starts this whole chain of events off, using some ridiculous back peddle example with andrea and michonne and an example is ridiculous.
It is my opinion that Randall is better at acting bad than he is at doing bad things.
Even the scene where (if he's alive) you hand him to Norma and he lunges at you, trying to kill you. Now I don't know about you but I thought that was not only in character but completely sane. The way he panicks is by not giving up. He frames everything in his mind to look like it will work out for him, even with broken hands, no gun and numerous odds against him in michonne. But he's not giving in.
Just like Greg in a sense. See that's why I thought these two sets of brothers and sisters mirrored each other a lot more than ppl think, but with different situations. Randall when he was caught was panicking just like Greg, but he lied with Authority and Malice. He's strong headed kinda like his daddy. Unlike Greg who's more conflicted and more evasive (I mean he tried to lie about their mom). So while Greg tried to lie to get away, Randall lied so he could just get back to his feet. It didn't matter what he said, he was waiting for the opportunity to get out.
Since this is still my opinion, I really don't trust Sam at all. I don't think she has it in her to actually kill people but I definitely think she lied about what happened at the Mobjack. She definitely took from Norma, lied to her and lied to us. As much as I can trust what people say and do, Randall is much more trustworthy.
What I meant to address was (not related to your comment btw) that Randall can't be expected to care about Anyone that lives inside Sams little residence. Just like John was ignorant, so was Randall.
But then I just remembered that Sam told Norma about her family already. So there's that
I genuinely apologize. I am having some sort of mental inconcordance right now.
I was sure that my comment had to do with what you said e… morearlier, but I can't seem to connect both now. I also don't really understand how your new comment connects to the one I posted previously.
That's the point in the first line. the blame game is absurd.
Sam didn't really start anything because it never stopped. It may be a stor… morey to us but if it is reality then they were just going through life and things happened. There's no blame because at the end of the day this plot was unavoidable.
I guess if we want to place blame, it's Petes fault for trying to look for Rashid and Vanessa. Or even for saving Michonne. Cause that's how it all started.
THANK YOU! I'm so glad other people realise this! Heck, Sam all but admits she stole the stuff, after everything that happened, getting Michonne dragged into all of this, her brother dead, and when she's burying her dad she mentions 'duffle bag, should look familiar' - she isn't even sorry about it! She did all of this and we're supposed to be 100% on her side.
I kinda like it that way. Not everything is so black and white, and you don't know who is in the right. Every character had flaws. Sam was impulsive, Randall was a maniac and Norma couldn't reason away that her brother was partially to blame. Norma wasn't pure evil which I enjoyed.
Lee killed the senator which led him to meet Clementine which got Lee to the farm to meet Kenny who took them to Macon where they were saved by the group and subsequently saved Glenn(Rick would have died in Atlanta if not for Glenn). If Rick died the Atlanta group wouldn't have survived under the control of Shane who wanted to stay at the camp. They never would have met Michonne. Michonne would never make it to Alexandria and defeat the Saviors which caused her to run away and meet Pete which led her to the Mobjack where she met Sam. If Lee hadn't killed the senator, then the entire universe would be a different place.
That's the point in the first line. the blame game is absurd.
To be fair, Sam calling through the short-wave does affect the course … moreof the story, whereas Michonne saving Andrea doesn't at all.
As a side note, the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things, that people often seem to mix up.
But the title of this thread literally implies that this whole course of events were caused by Sams mistake. I understand the difference, I'm addressing the topic.
If anything it's Sams fault for stealing from them the second time. She shoulda learned her lesson when they let her go with the stuff. The radio is a what if I guess, but what ifs are not any better.
That's the point in the first line. the blame game is absurd.
To be fair, Sam calling through the short-wave does affect the course … moreof the story, whereas Michonne saving Andrea doesn't at all.
As a side note, the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things, that people often seem to mix up.
Well that's funny. You have a similar avatar as @Deltino.
Is the last line of your post meant to show how it is Sam's fault? Because I agree, partially. She does contribute to the mess by stealing from them and calling through the short-wave, but all responsability shouldn't be put on her. That doesn't not exclude the opinion that her stealing from Monroe is morally-wrong, though.
It's all Lee's fault.
Lee killed the senator which led him to meet Clementine which got Lee to the farm to meet Kenny who took them to Ma… morecon where they were saved by the group and subsequently saved Glenn(Rick would have died in Atlanta if not for Glenn). If Rick died the Atlanta group wouldn't have survived under the control of Shane who wanted to stay at the camp. They never would have met Michonne. Michonne would never make it to Alexandria and defeat the Saviors which caused her to run away and meet Pete which led her to the Mobjack where she met Sam. If Lee hadn't killed the senator, then the entire universe would be a different place.
But yeah, still Sam's fault.
Please accept my apology! Stating that the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things wasn't meant to be directed at you in particular!
I do agree that it is partially Sam's fault for stealing and calling through the shortwave. That doesn't necessarily dictate what is, in my opinion, moral or not. I consider Sam stealing from Monroe immoral, but I believe that her using the shortwave is amoral, i.e, it doesn't have moral value.
But the title of this thread literally implies that this whole course of events were caused by Sams mistake. I understand the difference, I'… morem addressing the topic.
If anything it's Sams fault for stealing from them the second time. She shoulda learned her lesson when they let her go with the stuff. The radio is a what if I guess, but what ifs are not any better.
Well, Sam was not looking for us. Getting caught was just an accident. And also, there is a chance to explain Norma that you and Sam are not togheter, and she will not let you go, wich forces you to escape burning down Monroe.
Yeah, Sam stole and started this chain, but that just leads to Greg's and John's death. Monroe sinking in the water was Norma's fault by not letting Michonne and Pete go
Yeah, I just realized I have the same Avatar. I gotta change that.
I don't blame Sam for everything. Norma all but admits that she killed the people on the ferry when she says: "I'll make what happened on the ferry seem like a fucking picnic!" Stealing from someone like her is the same as stealing from Carver, the bandits, Negan, or the Governor.
Well that's funny. You have a similar avatar as @Deltino.
Is the last line of your post meant to show how it is Sam's fault? Because I ag… moreree, partially. She does contribute to the mess by stealing from them and calling through the short-wave, but all responsability shouldn't be put on her. That doesn't not exclude the opinion that her stealing from Monroe is morally-wrong, though.
Because if you don't they'll come back, steal again, burn your home, kill your brother and you too! And somehow they'll still be the heroes of the story.
Please accept my apology! Stating that the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things wasn't meant to be directed at you in … moreparticular!
I do agree that it is partially Sam's fault for stealing and calling through the shortwave. That doesn't necessarily dictate what is, in my opinion, moral or not. I consider Sam stealing from Monroe immoral, but I believe that her using the shortwave is amoral, i.e, it doesn't have moral value.
Sam calling though the shortwave did cause Pete to decide to turn around—because he thought she could've been Vanessa—which then caused them to shipwreck with a smaller boat, and eventually decide to go to the Mobjack, where they met Sam and Greg in person and got caught. This doesn't mean that Sam was wrong to do it, or that she is a bad person because of it. I don't even consider it morally wrong. The fact is, her actions unfortunately set off the unlikely chain of events that ended with Michonne and Pete included in the mess of the stolen bags. Had she not done it, The Companion would be sailing around.
But what did she cause? Cause apparently Norma didn't even know about the boat emitting a signal until Michonne (determinantly) tells her.
Randall and then came back because the bags from their camp were stolen. And they catch Sam red handed
The fact is, her actions unfortunately set off the unlikely chain of events that ended with Michonne and Pete included in the mess of the stolen bags.
This is the way I see the whole situation, not just stopping at Pete and Michonne getting involved
The destruction of an entire community, the death of your brother and father, and a war between three groups of people that ends with your house getting burned down, all stemming from... a few bags of supplies getting stolen. That is like, the pure definition of worst-case scenario. I don't know how anyone could foresee that happening. That'd be like a city-wide riot managing to break out because you originally stole someone's wallet.
Sam calling though the shortwave did cause Pete to decide to turn around—because he thought she could've been Vanessa—which then caused them… more to shipwreck with a smaller boat, and eventually decide to go to the Mobjack, where they met Sam and Greg in person and got caught. This doesn't mean that Sam was wrong to do it, or that she is a bad person because of it. I don't even consider it morally wrong. The fact is, her actions unfortunately set off the unlikely chain of events that ended with Michonne and Pete included in the mess of the stolen bags. Had she not done it, The Companion would be sailing around.
Not that Norma and her group where good people at all, but there where actually reasonable, it makes you question how truthful Sam's side of the story is.
An elephant in the room is a major plot point or event that the characters dont notice or comment on even though is right there in front of them. In this case sam stealing from norma being the reason they are angry
Norma's no better since she would kill Oak but you are right. I actually hated Sam in Episode 1. That little shit caused so many problems for Michonne >__>
An elephant in the room is a major plot point or event that the characters dont notice or comment on even though is right there in front of them. In this case sam stealing from norma being the reason they are angry
I really feel bad for Norma,her home destroyed,plenty of her people are killed (I don't feel sorry for her bro though),and she died being chomped up by walkers. The least I can do to show her that I feel sorry is that I finished her when she was attacked by those rotters.
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To be honest, I don't think John knew that Sam and Greg had been messing with this community, or even know about its existence, for that matter. Samantha makes it sound like she just snuck in there and took some supplies twice. John says that Sam is the one who "finds supplies," which could be the reason why Sam and Greg initially planned to hide some of the stolen supplies on the ferry to bring them progressively to the house, so that it didn't seem suspicious.
Dead bodies can be dead bodies. TWD isn't known to be to realistic or to tell you the whole truth for that matter so who's to say that he killed the kids? Maybe he killed the kid's murderers, the truth is we don't know. We can choose to trust Sam or Randall, either way it's a choice.
I'm pretty sure he didn't just shoot John. It's my opinion but I think Randall is as crazy as any one is in the apocalypse. He killed John mostly because he was just in the way, he probably didn't know who he was until he saw the kids. Doesn't make him as bad as everyone seems to make him out to be.
I just don't like hating people that end up on the wrong side of the sword. Everyone has a story. I'm not saying your implying it's all black and white, but this story especially was a bit more layered on purpose and to write him off as just a lunatic and saying he did something that isn't confirmed is detrimental to the story.
Idk that's just me
I also can't blame Randall for not knowing about their dad or giving a damn. If they're are sick ppl they have to deal with and all they got is Jonas then why should he care about two teens that stole more than one bag (which is more than what two ppl would need) from his community.
In a sense his family.
In a sense it was Michonnes fault for saving Andrea.. If we want to get all the way technical.
No it is not Sam's fault. It's everyone fault. It's even Berto's fault.
I genuinely apologize. I am having some sort of mental inconcordance right now.
I was sure that my comment had to do with what you said earlier, but I can't seem to connect both now. I also don't really understand how your new comment connects to the one I posted previously.
What? You should always make a huge deal when someone steals your supplies. Especially when you're in a zombie apocalypse and supplies are incredibly limited.
I think the Michonne miniseries is one huge lesson. If you're in a zombie apocalypse and you catch someone stealing from you, kill them.
Thats just..... Of course overall its many peoples fault but sam is the one who starts this whole chain of events off, using some ridiculous back peddle example with andrea and michonne and an example is ridiculous.
I know your likely joking but
Were her and her husband even separated or did she just move away? Even if they were separated she still moved further away than needed.
Also this chain of events exaggeration is getting annoying, yes there were other factors at play but Sam is the main cause of the events of the game, unintentionally or not.
But he talks about enjoying the feeling of beating kid's skulls in?
And they were killed in the same way as the adults on the boat
Because if you don't they'll come back, steal again, burn your home, kill your brother and you too! And somehow they'll still be the heroes of the story.
It was under the excuse that she needed to live closer to her job, but I'm not so sure about that. She has remarked that their marriage was in crumbles, and it is known that she had a boyfriend when the apocalypse started—who she used to talk to as a hallucination as well—so she might've been with him when she divorced Dominic, but didn't tell the daughters anything to feel good about herself.
I completely agree. I didn't like Sam till the end, I was willing to protect her little siblings because they are innocent and I was even sad for her brother and father who got killed, but for Sam I have no liking at all. She got away with stealing once, which was already bad enough because you don't fucking steal from people who have it jsut as hard to survive than you do. And instead of staying away, she actually did it AGAIN! Since episode one I actually wanted to negotiate with Norma to just let me and my friend go and let them keep Sam.
Honestly, I think Sam's problem is that she thinks she's more important than anybody else, she and her family have more right to food, to safety, to survive, she stole from people who did nothing for her, she wanted to kill several people in revenge without thinking about how that would work out for anybody else. She does admit to stealing, yes, but do we really think she felt remorse? No! I think, she would have done the same thing again and again and Norma was quite in her right to capture her and question her.
So yes, of course everybody is somehow involved in how the plot worked out, but basically it is all Sam's fault, she got herself and her brother into this situation, she dragged Michonne and her people into the shit as well, she even wanted to push her shit on innocent people! Her first reaction upon being caught by Randal, was to blame it all on Michonne and her friend. When they needed Randal to negotiate, so Michonne could get her people back, Sam wanted to kill him without thinking of the other people who might get killed because of it. That is why I don't like her. Everybody makes mistakes, but placing yourself and your anger and wish for revenge over other people and their friend's lives, even though they did nothing but try to help although they just were in this situation because of you, that makes you a selfish person in my mind and much worse than Norma.
that aside, I still don't know what happened with the people on the ferry ...
That's the point in the first line. the blame game is absurd.
Sam didn't really start anything because it never stopped. It may be a story to us but if it is reality then they were just going through life and things happened. There's no blame because at the end of the day this plot was unavoidable.
I guess if we want to place blame, it's Petes fault for trying to look for Rashid and Vanessa. Or even for saving Michonne. Cause that's how it all started.
It is my opinion that Randall is better at acting bad than he is at doing bad things.
Even the scene where (if he's alive) you hand him to Norma and he lunges at you, trying to kill you. Now I don't know about you but I thought that was not only in character but completely sane. The way he panicks is by not giving up. He frames everything in his mind to look like it will work out for him, even with broken hands, no gun and numerous odds against him in michonne. But he's not giving in.
Just like Greg in a sense. See that's why I thought these two sets of brothers and sisters mirrored each other a lot more than ppl think, but with different situations. Randall when he was caught was panicking just like Greg, but he lied with Authority and Malice. He's strong headed kinda like his daddy. Unlike Greg who's more conflicted and more evasive (I mean he tried to lie about their mom). So while Greg tried to lie to get away, Randall lied so he could just get back to his feet. It didn't matter what he said, he was waiting for the opportunity to get out.
Since this is still my opinion, I really don't trust Sam at all. I don't think she has it in her to actually kill people but I definitely think she lied about what happened at the Mobjack. She definitely took from Norma, lied to her and lied to us. As much as I can trust what people say and do, Randall is much more trustworthy.
Wow I don't even understand what I wrote.
What I meant to address was (not related to your comment btw) that Randall can't be expected to care about Anyone that lives inside Sams little residence. Just like John was ignorant, so was Randall.
But then I just remembered that Sam told Norma about her family already. So there's that
To be fair, Sam calling through the short-wave does affect the course of the story, whereas Michonne saving Andrea doesn't at all.
As a side note, the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things, that people often seem to mix up.
THANK YOU! I'm so glad other people realise this! Heck, Sam all but admits she stole the stuff, after everything that happened, getting Michonne dragged into all of this, her brother dead, and when she's burying her dad she mentions 'duffle bag, should look familiar' - she isn't even sorry about it! She did all of this and we're supposed to be 100% on her side.
I kinda like it that way. Not everything is so black and white, and you don't know who is in the right. Every character had flaws. Sam was impulsive, Randall was a maniac and Norma couldn't reason away that her brother was partially to blame. Norma wasn't pure evil which I enjoyed.
It's all Lee's fault.
Lee killed the senator which led him to meet Clementine which got Lee to the farm to meet Kenny who took them to Macon where they were saved by the group and subsequently saved Glenn(Rick would have died in Atlanta if not for Glenn). If Rick died the Atlanta group wouldn't have survived under the control of Shane who wanted to stay at the camp. They never would have met Michonne. Michonne would never make it to Alexandria and defeat the Saviors which caused her to run away and meet Pete which led her to the Mobjack where she met Sam. If Lee hadn't killed the senator, then the entire universe would be a different place.
But yeah, still Sam's fault.
But the title of this thread literally implies that this whole course of events were caused by Sams mistake. I understand the difference, I'm addressing the topic.
If anything it's Sams fault for stealing from them the second time. She shoulda learned her lesson when they let her go with the stuff. The radio is a what if I guess, but what ifs are not any better.
Well that's funny. You have a similar avatar as @Deltino.
Is the last line of your post meant to show how it is Sam's fault? Because I agree, partially. She does contribute to the mess by stealing from them and calling through the short-wave, but all responsability shouldn't be put on her. That doesn't not exclude the opinion that her stealing from Monroe is morally-wrong, though.
Please accept my apology! Stating that the blame game and the "what if" game are two different things wasn't meant to be directed at you in particular!
I do agree that it is partially Sam's fault for stealing and calling through the shortwave. That doesn't necessarily dictate what is, in my opinion, moral or not. I consider Sam stealing from Monroe immoral, but I believe that her using the shortwave is amoral, i.e, it doesn't have moral value.
Well, Sam was not looking for us. Getting caught was just an accident. And also, there is a chance to explain Norma that you and Sam are not togheter, and she will not let you go, wich forces you to escape burning down Monroe.
Yeah, Sam stole and started this chain, but that just leads to Greg's and John's death. Monroe sinking in the water was Norma's fault by not letting Michonne and Pete go
Yeah, I just realized I have the same Avatar. I gotta change that.
I don't blame Sam for everything. Norma all but admits that she killed the people on the ferry when she says: "I'll make what happened on the ferry seem like a fucking picnic!" Stealing from someone like her is the same as stealing from Carver, the bandits, Negan, or the Governor.
Typical Telltale
But what did she cause? Cause apparently Norma didn't even know about the boat emitting a signal until Michonne (determinantly) tells her.
Randall and then came back because the bags from their camp were stolen. And they catch Sam red handed
Sam calling though the shortwave did cause Pete to decide to turn around—because he thought she could've been Vanessa—which then caused them to shipwreck with a smaller boat, and eventually decide to go to the Mobjack, where they met Sam and Greg in person and got caught. This doesn't mean that Sam was wrong to do it, or that she is a bad person because of it. I don't even consider it morally wrong. The fact is, her actions unfortunately set off the unlikely chain of events that ended with Michonne and Pete included in the mess of the stolen bags. Had she not done it, The Companion would be sailing around.
This is the way I see the whole situation, not just stopping at Pete and Michonne getting involved
The destruction of an entire community, the death of your brother and father, and a war between three groups of people that ends with your house getting burned down, all stemming from... a few bags of supplies getting stolen. That is like, the pure definition of worst-case scenario. I don't know how anyone could foresee that happening. That'd be like a city-wide riot managing to break out because you originally stole someone's wallet.
Not that Norma and her group where good people at all, but there where actually reasonable, it makes you question how truthful Sam's side of the story is.
I still don't understand what elephant in which room you're talking about.
They told us this with how Boyd died when they let the thief go
That sam stole and started all these problems, its an elephant because none of the cast really addresses it
Yeah I know but what's that have to with elephant in a room?
An elephant in the room is a major plot point or event that the characters dont notice or comment on even though is right there in front of them. In this case sam stealing from norma being the reason they are angry
Norma's no better since she would kill Oak but you are right. I actually hated Sam in Episode 1. That little shit caused so many problems for Michonne >__>
Right. Didn't know that. Thanks.
It would of been nice to have a single line that brought it up.
I really feel bad for Norma,her home destroyed,plenty of her people are killed (I don't feel sorry for her bro though),and she died being chomped up by walkers. The least I can do to show her that I feel sorry is that I finished her when she was attacked by those rotters.
Here you go. GameoverENT made a video about Sam starting all this mess:
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