Why are so many people making fun of IDK Some Woman Up There for her appearance?
People are making fun of her because she has commit… moreted actions that warrant making fun of her. If you don't want people to ridicule you, don't act like a jackass. No one on the internet would know of her existence if she hadn't been.
Well, she should take their advice, because being that overweight isn't healthy. Still though, the point stands, if she hadn't done what she did then the internet at large wouldn't know she existed, and wouldn't be making fun of her as a result.
Denigrate people for acting like morons, maybe, but bringing their looks into the whole thing says more about you than them.
I think it says that you have a better sense of humor.
I see people referencing her weight, not her message or her shitty attitude...
Denigrate people for acting like morons, maybe, but bringing their looks into the whole thing says more about you than them.
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I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet, because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is taken, not given, ammirite?
Believe it or not, there's actually a line between being funny and just being a dick and calling it humor.
Well, she should take their advice, because being that overweight isn't healthy. Still though, the point stands, if she hadn't done what she… more did then the internet at large wouldn't know she existed, and wouldn't be making fun of her as a result.
Denigrate people for acting like morons, maybe, but bringing their looks into the whole thing says more about you than them.
I think it says that you have a better sense of humor.
It's a shame no one is around to tell them these things, because if they heard them they might do something to change their unhealthy situations. Nah, who am I kidding, being obese is trendy and fun. Something to feel proud about, and something for us all to aspire to.
I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet,
Being poor is often an uncontrollable matter of circumstance. Being obese is a matter of a controllable circumstance, one that you bring upon yourself, and is extremely unhealthy. There is no comparison between these two things in the sense that you are comparing them, but thank you for attempting to take the moral high ground. Being a virgin is a choice or matter of circumstance that doesn't have the negative health effects of obesity. Once again, one does not equate with the other.
because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is taken, not given, ammirite?
You are right, offense is taken and not given. No one is obligated to be offended by someone else's harsh words. Sticks and stones my friend.
Believe it or not, there's actually a line between being funny and just being a dick and calling it humor.
Comedy is in the eye of the beholder. Unlike the health risks of obesity, which are universal.
Also, it seems like you're assuming that I'm thin and well off financially, and looking at this from the outside in. You would be incorrect. I'm a slightly overweight working class man who has faced ridicule in my life, but the difference is that I know being overweight isn't healthy and I do my best to drop some pounds. I don't strive for mediocrity, and put on a false sense of pride to hide whatever shame I might feel. My advice to others would be to grow some back bone, don't let the words of people you don't know ruin your life, and attempt to make positive changes. And for people that don't care about being overweight, it is a life choice that you're making, so don't let people's words offend you. Truthfully, if they're so happy about their weight, I wouldn't think anyone else's words would.
I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet, because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is t… moreaken, not given, ammirite?
Believe it or not, there's actually a line between being funny and just being a dick and calling it humor.
As to your first statement:
Why do I feel like it's impossible to argue the center anymore...
I'm not in favor of fat acceptance, but I'm not in favor of fat shaming either. Without getting into the issue of how many other factors go into being overweight (no, I'm not talking about gentics, and I'm not saying that means its unchangeable, just that it isn't easy and piling on doesn't help), are you saying its okay to make fun of people only if their choices are unhealthy? Otherwise, your point is irrelevant, because I'm talking about making fun of traits which are considered undesirable in society, and while I'm glad you recognize poverty often has a number of external factors, there are just as many people yelling "get a job."
And really? Is there no middle between D-Day and constant coddling? What happened to common decency and politeness? If offense if taken and not given, if I walk up to a black guy on the street and call him a 'filthy n***,' am I not trying to provoke and offend? And if that person is offended, would an average passerby not find taking offense reasonable? What about people who harass gay classmates until they kill themselves? Are those people just neutrally exercising their free speech and should receive no level of social disapproval? Yes, I'm going to the extreme, but its to illustrate the point that shaking everything off as 'if you got offended, that's your problem,' doesn't fly and that certain expressions of speech should be, while perhaps not banned, certainly met with social disapproval. And, when it comes to the nature of offensiveness, whether the trait is changeable or not is irrelevant.
You're right, comedy is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm not making any assumptions about your status, the only assumption I'm making is that your standards aren't the same as others. But we do, or at least used to, have standards about what is or is not okay to make fun of for somebody you don't know. If you're okay with people making fun of your weight? fine, just like there are friends who tell racial jokes or whatever jokes among each other and they're all having fun. But we generally agree that making fun of those things to a random stranger who you don't know if they are okay with it is just being rude. It is subjective yes, but there used to a be a certain level of social standards regarding these things.
My point isn't that we need to ban speech or institute safe spaces or whatever, I'm just advocating for a certain level of politeness, especially towards strangers, and saying that humor shouldn't be used as an excuse to be cruel.
It's a shame no one is around to tell them these things, because if they heard them they might do something to change their unhealthy situat… moreions. Nah, who am I kidding, being obese is trendy and fun. Something to feel proud about, and something for us all to aspire to.
I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet,
Being poor is often an uncontrollable matter of circumstance. Being obese is a matter of a controllable circumstance, one that you bring upon yourself, and is extremely unhealthy. There is no comparison between these two things in the sense that you are comparing them, but thank you for attempting to take the moral high ground. Being a virgin is a choice or matter of circumstance that doesn't have the negative health effects of obesity. Once again, one does not equate with the other.
because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is taken, not given, ammirite?
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Why are so many people making fun of IDK Some Woman Up There for her appearance?
People are making fun of her because she has commit… moreted actions that warrant making fun of her. If you don't want people to ridicule you, don't act like a jackass. No one on the internet would know of her existence if she hadn't been.
It's a shame no one is around to tell them these things, because if they heard them they might do something to change their unhealthy situat… moreions. Nah, who am I kidding, being obese is trendy and fun. Something to feel proud about, and something for us all to aspire to.
I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet,
Being poor is often an uncontrollable matter of circumstance. Being obese is a matter of a controllable circumstance, one that you bring upon yourself, and is extremely unhealthy. There is no comparison between these two things in the sense that you are comparing them, but thank you for attempting to take the moral high ground. Being a virgin is a choice or matter of circumstance that doesn't have the negative health effects of obesity. Once again, one does not equate with the other.
because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is taken, not given, ammirite?
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And what I said to you was that if she hadn't been acting like a jackass at an event people were trying to attend, that no one on the internet would know who she was. No one would have cared about her existence enough to start ridiculing her in every manner, because she wouldn't have done anything to bring it upon herself. So yes, her looks do have nothing to do with what she said, but she brought this on herself. In my opinion, the bigger the jackass the bigger the needed ridicule. You can't seriously tell me that you think she would have listened to any serious form of debate after watching her throw a temper tantrum, screaming and swinging her arms, rather than listen to one word of what the opposition had to say.
I don't frankly know nor care about her. I've gathered that she said some dumbass shit, ok, people will critize her for thinking and behaving that way. It was just going too much with shitting on her body and face, whatnot.
Of course there are always gonna be people who will start ridicule anyone with whom they don't agree or just do something stupid (I trust you all about this lol), and I am pretty sure she expected that stuff. If she looked like Beyonce no one would have commented her appearance, probably because there is nothing to ìnsult. We are all strangers to her on the internet, and I highly doubt she'll read any of this, but if people feel free to insult somebody's look openly, then the situation ain't the greatest.
And what I said to you was that if she hadn't been acting like a jackass at an event people were trying to attend, that no one on the intern… moreet would know who she was. No one would have cared about her existence enough to start ridiculing her in every manner, because she wouldn't have done anything to bring it upon herself. So yes, her looks do have nothing to do with what she said, but she brought this on herself. In my opinion, the bigger the jackass the bigger the needed ridicule. You can't seriously tell me that you think she would have listened to any serious form of debate after watching her throw a temper tantrum, screaming and swinging her arms, rather than listen to one word of what the opposition had to say.
I'm not in favor of fat acceptance, but I'm not in favor of fat shaming either.
I'm not into fat shaming either. If you look back you'll see that I made no negative comment about her weight outside of saying it's unhealthy, and that was only after I was engaged on the topic. What I did do was excuse other people's assaults on her weight, and here's why. When it comes to arguing with a person like, well I don't know her name so I'll go with what I know, Trigglypuff, logic and calm discussion obviously aren't going to be effective, Hell, not even viable. If you look at the clips with her, she literally throws a temper tantrum that would shame a fussy baby on an airplane every time the opposition opens their mouth. So, with anything reasonable out of the way when it comes to making a point, you're left with ad hominem attacks. Fighting fire with fire.
Without getting into the issue of how many other factors go into being overweight (no, I'm not talking about gentics, and I'm not saying that means its unchangeable, just that it isn't easy and piling on doesn't help), are you saying its okay to make fun of people only if their choices are unhealthy?
Yes, I was essentially saying it's okay to make fun of people who make unhealthy choices. No I don't know her situation, but I'm sure if I looked I would find that she's in her condition for a reason. I'm not someone who finds humor preying upon people for choices they don't make or for things they can't change, but for things they do to themselves. People that eat massive quantities of food are creating their condition, and if their response to their obesity is to create a movement of offended people to try and push acceptance for them, I think that's funny. I think so because all of the effort expended into trying to make people accept their laziness and lack of motivation could be put into lowering their weight. Like I said previously though, if they truly are just proud as could be about being obese, nothing anyone says should have any affect on them anyways. The world isn't a giant safe space, and I don't think it should be. I think people should learn not to be so affected by other people's words.
Otherwise, your point is irrelevant, because I'm talking about making fun of traits which are considered undesirable in society, and while I'm glad you recognize poverty often has a number of external factors, there are just as many people yelling "get a job."
Considering that it was you who originally replied to me, partially mocking me, I would say that it's your point which is irrelevant. It was you who changed the subject after all. As for the people yelling, "get a job," so what? If someone without a job hears someone say "get a job," what does that matter? Truly, what does it matter?
And really? Is there no middle between D-Day and constant coddling?
You posted an extreme example and so did I.
What happened to common decency and politeness?
Ask that to Trigglypuff who was trying to crash an event people most likely paid to see.
If offense if taken and not given, if I walk up to a black guy on the street and call him a 'filthy n***,' am I not trying to provoke and offend? And if that person is offended, would an average passerby not find taking offense reasonable?
In such a case you would be trying to offend, but he would have to take offense in order for offense to be given. I've lived in primarily black areas in my life, and have been looked down upon for being white. I don't take offense when I'm called slurs, I don't care what people say if I don't think it's true. I also don't need groups of people to be offended for me, and blow things way out of proportion, perpetuating them well beyond the scope of my actual care. If physical violence starts, well that's another situation, but just in general, I don't think mob mentality over offensive words solves problems as much as it perpetuates them and creates new ones in the process.
What about people who harass gay classmates until they kill themselves? Are those people just neutrally exercising their free speech and should receive no level of social disapproval?
Having gone to school with people starting from the time I was young and getting to know them as they've aged, as well as having relatives of distant relation grow up in my lifetime, I've decided through observation that being gay isn't a choice. It's a matter of nature and not nurture. I've watched people grow up that were always just a bit queer, even when they were young, despite numerous different household situations. The behavior, later learned by the individuals themselves to be their sexual preference, was incapable of being curbed despite any drastic measures the parents may or may not have taken. Now with this in mind, I've stated prior that I don't think unchangeable things are funny as the butt of jokes rooted in ridicule. Even if it was a choice, it still wouldn't be a butt of my jokes because having a sexual preference to me is not comparable to purposefully putting yourself at risk for a heart attack or diabetes, and being proud to do so. Don't get me wrong, I do use the word faggot when joking around, and I have no intention to stop. I just don't use it maliciously against gay people, or to any gay person in general unless I know they can take a joke.
As for those people "just exercising their right to free speech," I would say yes, basically. Free speech means that crass opinions can be stated, but that doesn't absolve the speaker from social disapproval. If people are calling a gay person gay, there is no libel or slander occurring. If they start making false accusations, that's different. I think most bullying, particularly in school, is preventable if the person being bullied sticks up for themselves, but at the same time, schools are supposed to be an institution of learning. Within the confines of a school you are supposed to follow their rules.
Yes, I'm going to the extreme, but its to illustrate the point that shaking everything off as 'if you got offended, that's your problem,' doesn't fly
I still disagree.
and that certain expressions of speech should be, while perhaps not banned, certainly met with social disapproval.
I don't disagree with this, even if I'll probably still use most of these words when I'm with my friends.
And, when it comes to the nature of offensiveness, whether the trait is changeable or not is irrelevant.
I disagree, as I've stated prior in the post.
You're right, comedy is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm not making any assumptions about your status, the only assumption I'm making is that your standards aren't the same as others.
That's pretty much what "eye of the beholder" means.
But we do, or at least used to, have standards about what is or is not okay to make fun of for somebody you don't know. If you're okay with people making fun of your weight? fine, just like there are friends who tell racial jokes or whatever jokes among each other and they're all having fun. But we generally agree that making fun of those things to a random stranger who you don't know if they are okay with it is just being rude.
I agree, and I don't randomly make fun of strangers. People who have committed no negative action against me or others don't face ridicule from me. I'm not a judgemental person. When I see skinny people, short people, fat people, gay people, whoever, I see people. I don't immediately set out pointing out traits and utilizing them in some vain attempt at humor. Sharing rude humor comes after you've gotten to know someone. In my opinion though, it becomes immediately applicable in certain situations.
It is subjective yes, but there used to a be a certain level of social standards regarding these things.
And this is what I mean. With Trigglypuff, she has gone to a public event with the intention of shutting it down and preventing people that most likely spent their money to go, from seeing what they paid for. At that point all forms of ridicule are now open to her, and this is only exacerbated by the fact that every time someone tries to open their mouth to speak to her she throws a temper tantrum or screams curses. I believe firmly that any ridicule she faces she has invited upon herself, and as I've said before in this thread, if she hadn't done what she did then no one would know she existed and there would be no meme. People didn't make her the butt of the joke, she did that to herself.
My point isn't that we need to ban speech or institute safe spaces or whatever, I'm just advocating for a certain level of politeness, especially towards strangers,
As I've said, random strangers get nothing but politeness from me.
and saying that humor shouldn't be used as an excuse to be cruel.
In the case of Trigglypuff, I wouldn't say that humor is being used as an excuse to be cruel, rather that being cruel is made more amusing by humor. Also as I've stated, for a deserving individual, I don't really mind.
Why do I feel like it's impossible to argue the center anymore...
I'm not in favor of fat acceptance, but I'm not in favor of fat shaming… more either. Without getting into the issue of how many other factors go into being overweight (no, I'm not talking about gentics, and I'm not saying that means its unchangeable, just that it isn't easy and piling on doesn't help), are you saying its okay to make fun of people only if their choices are unhealthy? Otherwise, your point is irrelevant, because I'm talking about making fun of traits which are considered undesirable in society, and while I'm glad you recognize poverty often has a number of external factors, there are just as many people yelling "get a job."
And really? Is there no middle between D-Day and constant coddling? What happened to common decency and politeness? If offense if taken and not given, if I walk up to a black guy on the street and call him a 'filthy n***,' am I not trying to… [view original content]
I'm sure if she was an award winning model people would still manage to ridicule her appearance in some ways. That's just what people do. Now, I do agree with you in general. Ad hominem attacks are not a desirable way to carry out an argument, but like I said, people will resort to them, and sometimes such as in this instance they can be deserved. I highly doubt she'll read any of this as well, but if she did, I imagine her reaction would be more like this:
And less like a serious argument where she addresses points presented to her. As we've already seen.
I don't frankly know nor care about her. I've gathered that she said some dumbass shit, ok, people will critize her for thinking and behavin… moreg that way. It was just going too much with shitting on her body and face, whatnot.
Of course there are always gonna be people who will start ridicule anyone with whom they don't agree or just do something stupid (I trust you all about this lol), and I am pretty sure she expected that stuff. If she looked like Beyonce no one would have commented her appearance, probably because there is nothing to ìnsult. We are all strangers to her on the internet, and I highly doubt she'll read any of this, but if people feel free to insult somebody's look openly, then the situation ain't the greatest.
Is there really a moral panic going on in this thread? It seems to me like this is a thread about a group of people, one of which that has been picked out specifically, that are trying to shut down speakers that are saying things they don't like. And it's not an isolated incident.
I'm sure if she was an award winning model people would still manage to ridicule her appearance in some ways. That's just what people do. No… morew, I do agree with you in general. Ad hominem attacks are not a desirable way to carry out an argument, but like I said, people will resort to them, and sometimes such as in this instance they can be deserved. I highly doubt she'll read any of this as well, but if she did, I imagine her reaction would be more like this:
And less like a serious argument where she addresses points presented to her. As we've already seen.
I'm sure if she was an award winning model people would still manage to ridicule her appearance in some ways. That's just what people do. No… morew, I do agree with you in general. Ad hominem attacks are not a desirable way to carry out an argument, but like I said, people will resort to them, and sometimes such as in this instance they can be deserved. I highly doubt she'll read any of this as well, but if she did, I imagine her reaction would be more like this:
And less like a serious argument where she addresses points presented to her. As we've already seen.
Conservatives have White Supremacist, NRA, Anti Government Groups and other Extremist who hide behind Freedom of Speech to allow their insanity to exist.
Liberals have the NAACP, Feminist, Gay Rights Activist, Hippies, and it's own long list of other extremist who do the same thing.
And then we point fingers at each other saying who is worse? hehe
Being obese is a matter of a controllable circumstance, one that you bring upon yourself, and is extremely unhealthy.
Ahem agreed lies and hate speech are not allowed on muh thread thank you nothing funny at all about this :I
Conservatives have White Supremacist, NRA, Anti Government Groups and other Extremist who hide behind Freedom of Speech to allow their insan… moreity to exist.
Liberals have the NAACP, Feminist, Gay Rights Activist, Hippies, and it's own long list of other extremist who do the same thing.
And then we point fingers at each other saying who is worse? hehe
In matter of perspective yes they are. They often support groups who are themselves extremist so in turn they support extremist and themselves have to be viewed the same.
Not really man. NAACP are liberal moderates in rhetoric and action, that's a widely accepted fact in the political world, regardless of its ties. You could make a strong case for comparing the Nation of Islam or New Black Panther Party to white supremacists, but comparing the NAACP to them is frankly, nuts.
In matter of perspective yes they are. They often support groups who are themselves extremist so in turn they support extremist and themselves have to be viewed the same.
The notion that social justice is ruining higher education and slowly imposing tyrannical political correctness is a moral panic and is at the root of this. These people have marginal influence over higher education, let alone the real world. It's simply a fad that's being blown way out of proportion by the media and the Internet so that it seems like a large and threatening phenomenon. I would that at this point, the anti-SJW crowd has a much larger and increasingly vile platform.
Is there really a moral panic going on in this thread? It seems to me like this is a thread about a group of people, one of which that has b… moreeen picked out specifically, that are trying to shut down speakers that are saying things they don't like. And it's not an isolated incident.
Is it manufactured from essentially nothing though? We see these kinds of protests with growing frequency, as well as things being put into the works like safe spaces, trigger warnings in classrooms, a professor not calling on white people, and professors like George Yancy from Emory and Noel Ignatiev from Harvard promoting anti-white messages just to name a few. Then there are things like people attempting to get the Cecil Rhodes statue taken down at Oxford, which didn't happen, but its just another thing along these lines.
I think you'd find if you looked a bit harder that this isn't just 7 people and a dog at a community college in the hinterlands of North Dakota, but rather that it's a growing movement. The movement against it has only reached the scale it has in response.
The notion that social justice is ruining higher education and slowly imposing tyrannical political correctness is a moral panic and is at … morethe root of this. These people have marginal influence over higher education, let alone the real world. It's simply a fad that's being blown way out of proportion by the media and the Internet so that it seems like a large and threatening phenomenon. I would that at this point, the anti-SJW crowd has a much larger and increasingly vile platform.
It's a manufactured moral panic.
We really need a better term to describe these people. I know exactly who you're talking about. They're SJWs but on the opposite end of the spectrum. "Anti-SJWs" fits, but then people think you're defending SJWs when you say "anti-SJW" negatively. MRA seems too specific, bigot is too broad, etc.
The notion that social justice is ruining higher education and slowly imposing tyrannical political correctness is a moral panic and is at … morethe root of this. These people have marginal influence over higher education, let alone the real world. It's simply a fad that's being blown way out of proportion by the media and the Internet so that it seems like a large and threatening phenomenon. I would that at this point, the anti-SJW crowd has a much larger and increasingly vile platform.
It's a manufactured moral panic.
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I see people referencing her weight, not her message or her shitty attitude...
Denigrate people for acting like morons, maybe, but bringing their looks into the whole thing says more about you than them.
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Well, she should take their advice, because being that overweight isn't healthy. Still though, the point stands, if she hadn't done what she did then the internet at large wouldn't know she existed, and wouldn't be making fun of her as a result.
I think it says that you have a better sense of humor.
I also like making fun of poor people and virgins I don't know over the internet, because it's just a joke bro, and we all know offense is taken, not given, ammirite?
Believe it or not, there's actually a line between being funny and just being a dick and calling it humor.
As to your first statement:
It's a shame no one is around to tell them these things, because if they heard them they might do something to change their unhealthy situations. Nah, who am I kidding, being obese is trendy and fun. Something to feel proud about, and something for us all to aspire to.
Being poor is often an uncontrollable matter of circumstance. Being obese is a matter of a controllable circumstance, one that you bring upon yourself, and is extremely unhealthy. There is no comparison between these two things in the sense that you are comparing them, but thank you for attempting to take the moral high ground. Being a virgin is a choice or matter of circumstance that doesn't have the negative health effects of obesity. Once again, one does not equate with the other.
You are right, offense is taken and not given. No one is obligated to be offended by someone else's harsh words. Sticks and stones my friend.
Comedy is in the eye of the beholder. Unlike the health risks of obesity, which are universal.
Also, it seems like you're assuming that I'm thin and well off financially, and looking at this from the outside in. You would be incorrect. I'm a slightly overweight working class man who has faced ridicule in my life, but the difference is that I know being overweight isn't healthy and I do my best to drop some pounds. I don't strive for mediocrity, and put on a false sense of pride to hide whatever shame I might feel. My advice to others would be to grow some back bone, don't let the words of people you don't know ruin your life, and attempt to make positive changes. And for people that don't care about being overweight, it is a life choice that you're making, so don't let people's words offend you. Truthfully, if they're so happy about their weight, I wouldn't think anyone else's words would.
Why do I feel like it's impossible to argue the center anymore...
I'm not in favor of fat acceptance, but I'm not in favor of fat shaming either. Without getting into the issue of how many other factors go into being overweight (no, I'm not talking about gentics, and I'm not saying that means its unchangeable, just that it isn't easy and piling on doesn't help), are you saying its okay to make fun of people only if their choices are unhealthy? Otherwise, your point is irrelevant, because I'm talking about making fun of traits which are considered undesirable in society, and while I'm glad you recognize poverty often has a number of external factors, there are just as many people yelling "get a job."
And really? Is there no middle between D-Day and constant coddling? What happened to common decency and politeness? If offense if taken and not given, if I walk up to a black guy on the street and call him a 'filthy n***,' am I not trying to provoke and offend? And if that person is offended, would an average passerby not find taking offense reasonable? What about people who harass gay classmates until they kill themselves? Are those people just neutrally exercising their free speech and should receive no level of social disapproval? Yes, I'm going to the extreme, but its to illustrate the point that shaking everything off as 'if you got offended, that's your problem,' doesn't fly and that certain expressions of speech should be, while perhaps not banned, certainly met with social disapproval. And, when it comes to the nature of offensiveness, whether the trait is changeable or not is irrelevant.
You're right, comedy is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm not making any assumptions about your status, the only assumption I'm making is that your standards aren't the same as others. But we do, or at least used to, have standards about what is or is not okay to make fun of for somebody you don't know. If you're okay with people making fun of your weight? fine, just like there are friends who tell racial jokes or whatever jokes among each other and they're all having fun. But we generally agree that making fun of those things to a random stranger who you don't know if they are okay with it is just being rude. It is subjective yes, but there used to a be a certain level of social standards regarding these things.
My point isn't that we need to ban speech or institute safe spaces or whatever, I'm just advocating for a certain level of politeness, especially towards strangers, and saying that humor shouldn't be used as an excuse to be cruel.
I was talking about her appearance, looks, weight. Her words don't have anything to do with the way she looks.
NONONONONONO
Ermegerd! Moral panic! Regressive left!
And what I said to you was that if she hadn't been acting like a jackass at an event people were trying to attend, that no one on the internet would know who she was. No one would have cared about her existence enough to start ridiculing her in every manner, because she wouldn't have done anything to bring it upon herself. So yes, her looks do have nothing to do with what she said, but she brought this on herself. In my opinion, the bigger the jackass the bigger the needed ridicule. You can't seriously tell me that you think she would have listened to any serious form of debate after watching her throw a temper tantrum, screaming and swinging her arms, rather than listen to one word of what the opposition had to say.
I don't frankly know nor care about her. I've gathered that she said some dumbass shit, ok, people will critize her for thinking and behaving that way. It was just going too much with shitting on her body and face, whatnot.
Of course there are always gonna be people who will start ridicule anyone with whom they don't agree or just do something stupid (I trust you all about this lol), and I am pretty sure she expected that stuff. If she looked like Beyonce no one would have commented her appearance, probably because there is nothing to ìnsult. We are all strangers to her on the internet, and I highly doubt she'll read any of this, but if people feel free to insult somebody's look openly, then the situation ain't the greatest.
I'm not into fat shaming either. If you look back you'll see that I made no negative comment about her weight outside of saying it's unhealthy, and that was only after I was engaged on the topic. What I did do was excuse other people's assaults on her weight, and here's why. When it comes to arguing with a person like, well I don't know her name so I'll go with what I know, Trigglypuff, logic and calm discussion obviously aren't going to be effective, Hell, not even viable. If you look at the clips with her, she literally throws a temper tantrum that would shame a fussy baby on an airplane every time the opposition opens their mouth. So, with anything reasonable out of the way when it comes to making a point, you're left with ad hominem attacks. Fighting fire with fire.
Yes, I was essentially saying it's okay to make fun of people who make unhealthy choices. No I don't know her situation, but I'm sure if I looked I would find that she's in her condition for a reason. I'm not someone who finds humor preying upon people for choices they don't make or for things they can't change, but for things they do to themselves. People that eat massive quantities of food are creating their condition, and if their response to their obesity is to create a movement of offended people to try and push acceptance for them, I think that's funny. I think so because all of the effort expended into trying to make people accept their laziness and lack of motivation could be put into lowering their weight. Like I said previously though, if they truly are just proud as could be about being obese, nothing anyone says should have any affect on them anyways. The world isn't a giant safe space, and I don't think it should be. I think people should learn not to be so affected by other people's words.
Considering that it was you who originally replied to me, partially mocking me, I would say that it's your point which is irrelevant. It was you who changed the subject after all. As for the people yelling, "get a job," so what? If someone without a job hears someone say "get a job," what does that matter? Truly, what does it matter?
You posted an extreme example and so did I.
Ask that to Trigglypuff who was trying to crash an event people most likely paid to see.
In such a case you would be trying to offend, but he would have to take offense in order for offense to be given. I've lived in primarily black areas in my life, and have been looked down upon for being white. I don't take offense when I'm called slurs, I don't care what people say if I don't think it's true. I also don't need groups of people to be offended for me, and blow things way out of proportion, perpetuating them well beyond the scope of my actual care. If physical violence starts, well that's another situation, but just in general, I don't think mob mentality over offensive words solves problems as much as it perpetuates them and creates new ones in the process.
Having gone to school with people starting from the time I was young and getting to know them as they've aged, as well as having relatives of distant relation grow up in my lifetime, I've decided through observation that being gay isn't a choice. It's a matter of nature and not nurture. I've watched people grow up that were always just a bit queer, even when they were young, despite numerous different household situations. The behavior, later learned by the individuals themselves to be their sexual preference, was incapable of being curbed despite any drastic measures the parents may or may not have taken. Now with this in mind, I've stated prior that I don't think unchangeable things are funny as the butt of jokes rooted in ridicule. Even if it was a choice, it still wouldn't be a butt of my jokes because having a sexual preference to me is not comparable to purposefully putting yourself at risk for a heart attack or diabetes, and being proud to do so. Don't get me wrong, I do use the word faggot when joking around, and I have no intention to stop. I just don't use it maliciously against gay people, or to any gay person in general unless I know they can take a joke.
As for those people "just exercising their right to free speech," I would say yes, basically. Free speech means that crass opinions can be stated, but that doesn't absolve the speaker from social disapproval. If people are calling a gay person gay, there is no libel or slander occurring. If they start making false accusations, that's different. I think most bullying, particularly in school, is preventable if the person being bullied sticks up for themselves, but at the same time, schools are supposed to be an institution of learning. Within the confines of a school you are supposed to follow their rules.
I still disagree.
I don't disagree with this, even if I'll probably still use most of these words when I'm with my friends.
I disagree, as I've stated prior in the post.
That's pretty much what "eye of the beholder" means.
I agree, and I don't randomly make fun of strangers. People who have committed no negative action against me or others don't face ridicule from me. I'm not a judgemental person. When I see skinny people, short people, fat people, gay people, whoever, I see people. I don't immediately set out pointing out traits and utilizing them in some vain attempt at humor. Sharing rude humor comes after you've gotten to know someone. In my opinion though, it becomes immediately applicable in certain situations.
And this is what I mean. With Trigglypuff, she has gone to a public event with the intention of shutting it down and preventing people that most likely spent their money to go, from seeing what they paid for. At that point all forms of ridicule are now open to her, and this is only exacerbated by the fact that every time someone tries to open their mouth to speak to her she throws a temper tantrum or screams curses. I believe firmly that any ridicule she faces she has invited upon herself, and as I've said before in this thread, if she hadn't done what she did then no one would know she existed and there would be no meme. People didn't make her the butt of the joke, she did that to herself.
As I've said, random strangers get nothing but politeness from me.
In the case of Trigglypuff, I wouldn't say that humor is being used as an excuse to be cruel, rather that being cruel is made more amusing by humor. Also as I've stated, for a deserving individual, I don't really mind.
I'm sure if she was an award winning model people would still manage to ridicule her appearance in some ways. That's just what people do. Now, I do agree with you in general. Ad hominem attacks are not a desirable way to carry out an argument, but like I said, people will resort to them, and sometimes such as in this instance they can be deserved. I highly doubt she'll read any of this as well, but if she did, I imagine her reaction would be more like this:
And less like a serious argument where she addresses points presented to her. As we've already seen.
I'm sorry, I should have known to keep my hate speech off this campus.
Is there really a moral panic going on in this thread? It seems to me like this is a thread about a group of people, one of which that has been picked out specifically, that are trying to shut down speakers that are saying things they don't like. And it's not an isolated incident.
Precisely! Offensive words like obese, controllable circumstance and unhealthy should not have place in safe space called campus!
Someone should shop some drum sticks and a drum kit into that gif.
XD genious! That imagine her on AC/DC concert, the meme is strong with this one...
Well, she looks very enthusiastic.
Eddie just rekting everyone all over this thread so much fun to watch well played sir
Ahem agreed lies and hate speech are not allowed on muh thread thank you nothing funny at all about this :I
Conservatives have White Supremacist, NRA, Anti Government Groups and other Extremist who hide behind Freedom of Speech to allow their insanity to exist.
Liberals have the NAACP, Feminist, Gay Rights Activist, Hippies, and it's own long list of other extremist who do the same thing.
And then we point fingers at each other saying who is worse? hehe
That's amazing, he really does look like Lex Luthor.
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In matter of perspective yes they are. They often support groups who are themselves extremist so in turn they support extremist and themselves have to be viewed the same.
Not really man. NAACP are liberal moderates in rhetoric and action, that's a widely accepted fact in the political world, regardless of its ties. You could make a strong case for comparing the Nation of Islam or New Black Panther Party to white supremacists, but comparing the NAACP to them is frankly, nuts.
The notion that social justice is ruining higher education and slowly imposing tyrannical political correctness is a moral panic and is at the root of this. These people have marginal influence over higher education, let alone the real world. It's simply a fad that's being blown way out of proportion by the media and the Internet so that it seems like a large and threatening phenomenon. I would that at this point, the anti-SJW crowd has a much larger and increasingly vile platform.
It's a manufactured moral panic.
I always wondered how those kind of people fare when they leave their ,,safe space" how they can even survie?
Is it manufactured from essentially nothing though? We see these kinds of protests with growing frequency, as well as things being put into the works like safe spaces, trigger warnings in classrooms, a professor not calling on white people, and professors like George Yancy from Emory and Noel Ignatiev from Harvard promoting anti-white messages just to name a few. Then there are things like people attempting to get the Cecil Rhodes statue taken down at Oxford, which didn't happen, but its just another thing along these lines.
I think you'd find if you looked a bit harder that this isn't just 7 people and a dog at a community college in the hinterlands of North Dakota, but rather that it's a growing movement. The movement against it has only reached the scale it has in response.
We really need a better term to describe these people. I know exactly who you're talking about. They're SJWs but on the opposite end of the spectrum. "Anti-SJWs" fits, but then people think you're defending SJWs when you say "anti-SJW" negatively. MRA seems too specific, bigot is too broad, etc.