* Doug or Omid: Omid
* Ben or Sarah: Sarah
* Chuck or Pete: Chuck
* Carley or Lilly: Carley
* Katjaa or Sarita: Katjaa
* Christa or Mol… morely: Molly
* Bonnie or Jane: Jane (would rather save neither, but I'll go with the one who knows how to survive)
* Mark or Nick: Nick
* Kenny or Luke: Kenny
* Walter or Reggie: Walter
* Doug or Omid: Omid
* Ben or Sarah: Sarah
* Chuck or Pete: Chuck
* Carley or Lilly: Carley
* Katjaa or Sarita: Katjaa
* Christa or Molly: Molly
* Bonnie or Jane: NEITHER
* Mark or Nick: Nick
* Kenny or Luke: Kenny
* Walter or Reggie: Walter
I'll add my opinions just for fun. Let me know what you think, guys.
Doug or Omid -Doug. Omid is awesome, but I feel like Doug filled a niche. He had a skill set no one else in either season did (or at least that was shown). He was always thinking, always creating.
Ben or Sarah -Ben. Given the choice, I would have saved Sarah every time, but she didn't even try to help herself. Ben at least made an effort. We are given the impression Sarah has a disability, but Carlos didn't do her any favours by sheltering her so much....
Chuck or Pete: -Chuck. I liked Pete, but Chuck gets the edge by sacrificing himself so the group in Savannah can escape the walker horde.
Carley or Lilly: -Lilly. I didn't get to see Carley's character development since I saved Doug, so my answer here might be different depending on how Carley's story progressed. Lily was a smart and capable leader, who took a poor turn after her father's death/killing. I would like to see if she has been able to heal and redeem herself.
Katjaa or Sarita -Sarita. Katjaa in a sense was a catalyst in Kenny's going off the deep end in season 2. Had she not killed herself, leaving Kenny alone to deal with the death of their son (and her), he might have been a different person.
Christa or Molly -Christa. Molly flitted in and out. She had potential, but Telltale decided not to follow her story. Christa was nothing if not dutiful and resilient throughout. She lived through so much hardship without losing her mind or becoming unfeeling. She still cared for Clementine's welfare after the death of Omid and her baby.
Bonnie or Jane -Bonnie. Both were very flawed and disappointed me in the end. I still like and forgive them both, but I would choose Bonnie, as I feel her mistakes were made more from emotion and desperation, while Jane's were calculated. She pushed Kenny and wouldn't let up. My Clementine was aware of the inevitability of Kenny's total breakdown, but Jane speeded him along.
Mark or Nick -Mark. This is one of the harder choices for me. I love Nick, but I feel like Mark would be better under pressure. Nick is kind of a hot shot and acts before thinking. Also, Mark deserved so much more than a gruesome, slow death.
Kenny or Luke -Luke. Another really hard one. I didn't want to shoot Kenny, but he had become too unstable and didn't care what anyone else in the group thought was best. Had we had the option to abandon him, he would have given up completely and joined Katjaa and Duck. I don't think Luke is a capable leader though. Out of the people left at the end of episode 4 in season 2, Jane would be the best leader.
Walter or Reggie -Walter. Walter would have been a good addition to the group. He proved he could use a gun, but also that he still had faith in humans and the future of humanity. He had a perspective the others did not.
Doug or Omid - Omid: I honestly like them both, but I like Omid more since he doesn't feel like a bland character as Doug is. I'm not saying Doug is entirely bland, I get that it's his character to be the shy, nerdy type, but I just rub well more with the "funny guy" that knows his stuff as well, rather than the guy who's a lot more timid, but smart. Doug kind of feels like a shell of a character to me.
Ben or Sarah - Sarah: I really like Ben, but I can't help but like Sarah more. Not really much reasoning, sorry.
Chuck or Pete - Pete: I feel more connected to Pete than I do with Chuck. To be honest, I liked his advice, but I really just didn't like him in general. Pete, although a person, felt more "home like" than Chuck did to me. His personality was really likable as well.
Carley or Lilly - Lilly: Gotta love my girl Lilly. My broken down, mentally unstable girl. No but seriously, I have nothing against Carley. I just didn't like her as much as everyone else did. I just thought of her as an ordinary woman, nothing "great" about her, nothing bad. To me, she was just... there. Lilly had quite the personality to her, I loved how she had the natural instinct of leadership, how she was stern, and show she knew what to say to piss people off. I felt so bad for her when Larry died, it made her do something she wouldn't of done in her right mind. Over all, she was a really complex character, and I love those types.
Katjaa or Sarita - Katjaa: Honestly, both were the "push over" type when it came to Kenny (not in general), Sarita more than Katjaa. Although Katjaa wasn't introduced to the mentally unstable Kenny (considering her death is what triggered it), she didn't really have to deal with what Sarita did, like picking up the broken pieces, I can't really say she's as much as a push over like Sarita is. I respect whatever Sarita had to deal with when she first met Kenny, and even fell in love with him, but as we see in the game, she barely tries to tame Kenny's temper. I acknowledge that she has, like when he gets loud or speaks to her in a bad way, but there's other times like in the truck where she barely tried to stop Kenny from getting himself possibly killed (ambushing Carver's men when the door opened), all she really did was tell him to "listen to them" a few times and stay silent. She was even silent when he was swearing at Rebecca over what name they use for Carver (a little, petty, and unnecessary thing to get worked up about) and when Kenny was pressuring Clementine to accompany him in ambushing armed guards. That's why I'd like to pick Katjaa over Sarita, since what we saw from her when it came to handling Kenny, was better in my opinion. Had she had to handle him when he was as broken as he was in Season 2, I think she'd do a good job at trying to tame him.
Christa or Molly - Christa: Now I like both of these characters, each for different reasons. I like Christa because of her motherly instinct, despite not even having a kid when we first met her. Almost immediately did she care about Clementine's well-being and sniff out Lee (figuratively of course) for any warning signs of him not treating her right. She took care of Clementine for almost 2 years when it wasn't her responsibility to, even after Clem indirectly got her boyfriend killed and after the death of her baby. She kept her head together, which is more that what we can say for most people in the apocalypse. Where as when we first met Molly, she was going to leave Lee, Kenny, and Clementine to fend off a herd of walkers by themselves. After a little bit of convincing and puppy eyes from Clem did she actually bother to reluctantly help. And when they were back at the mansion, she came off rude to Lee when he asked her where Clementine was.
Bonnie or Jane - Jane: I kinda like these characters. Again, for their own reasons. I feel like Bonnie has a really nice side to her, and Jane, although her actions are extreme, has good motives and reasoning as to why she does them. Bonnie got a little confusing nearing the end of her arc, because before that she surely did have a soft spot for Clementine. She promised to Clem that she wouldn't screw the group over and even apologized to her. She gave her a jacket, something that surely went against the rep she was trying to keep up at Carver's camp. So if you choose to help Luke, which is what Bonnie prefers you do, then why would she abandon you at the house? Why wouldn't she try to convince Clementine to come with them? And if you choose to cover Luke instead, why the hell does she blame his death on you? Despite her being the one that broke the ice even more? At least when Jane said she cared for Clementine, she stuck to it.
Mark or Nick - Nick: Oh, Nick, definitely. A cupcake like that can't go unloved.
Kenny or Luke - Luke: lmao as if this is even a choice for me.
Walter or Reggie - Walter: Reggie, although I kinda like him, I found a bit annoying. Walter was kind, smart, good with a gun too. He really did have a more intellectual outlook on the world than others had.
* Doug or Omid : Doug. Should've got more Important parts plus Omid and christa almost ruined the game.
* Ben or Sarah : Ben. Could've been… more big had they kept him and way better then Sarah.
* Chuck or Pete : Chuck. Close one as I like both but chuck deserved more and was a great character.
* Carley or Lily : Carley. Just as they both good characters, Carley was killed off way to early.
* Katjaa or Sarita : Katjaa. Better character.
* Christa or Molly : Molly. Christa like Omid butchered the game and Molly was a great character who should've had more screen time.
* Bonnie or Jane : Hate both but if I had to choose, Bonnie.
* Mark or Nick : very hard. Nick only just.
* Kenny or Luke : Kenny.
* Walter or Reggie : Walter.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, I haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want.
Ben: I need an extra gun hand, and he's the closest thing to it. I'd honestly leave them both, but a decision must be made.
Pete: I honestly would rather pick Chuck but he seems older, so just for longevity sake I'd take Pete. They are both really great guys and I'd take them both over a Sarah or Ben, but a decision.
Carley: She was supposed to be with my Lee!!! MY LEE!! And it's Lily's fault that she's not. She was the most level headed one in the camp and ever since we lost her Kenny has gone crazy. We need a reporter to keep people in check.
Sarita: I can't trust someone that can't handle death well. And I get it, it's your son you don't wanna do it. Hell idk if I could do it. But that is the deciding factor and Katjaa you are off the island. Would take neither tbh
Christa and Molly: this one is not fair. They are so different that I'd rather it have been Christa or Bonnie, and then Molly or Jane. But I'm taking both of them and killing (not leaving behind, killing in cold blood) Bonnie and Jane.
Bonnie, it should be obvious why. She betrays you more than once for no good reason other than she's weak and doesn't like to stick through the tough times. You can try and say she redeemed herself by saving you, but what happens in the last episode. Yeah fuck you Bonnie.
And why Jane? Cause Jane is all about being a lone wolf, and as hipster as that is, it's not good for anyone that isn't her. I don't expect her to immediately try and just steal our stuff, but the way she's lived would not work well in the community id be building. And I'd also remember what she did to AJ in the alternate timeline that wouldn't exist and would shoot her for it.
Mark: Mark was the guy who we almost ate his leg, right? He was way more interesting than Nick to me and offered more to the group, before the plot happened. Would love to learn more about him.
Luke: Kenny is honestly better off by himself, and if Luke wasn't always injured he would've been a much bigger help in the long run. Plus he's not a maniacal asshole that is only worried about himself. So that only benefits the group.
Walter: Reggie had one arm.. And he didn't look like he ever shot a gun. Also Walters moment was very telling of what kinda leader he was and could be. If he stayed alive he honestly would've been a tremendous help to Clem and the group, especially mentally.
Have no problem trading Mark for Kenny though. If I have a Kenny and a Luke, with a Walter to keep everyone calm.. We'd be the best community honestly. I'm pretty happy with my lineup, they could probably take out Negan..
Doug or Omid: BrOmid! Great personality. Got on amazingly with Lee and provided some much needed humor. Died far too soon.
Ben or Sarah: Sarah. This was tough as but Ben was older and kept messing up. Sarah had been shelted and thus had an excuse. I had hope for Sarah... until her dad died (which I hoped would force her to a reality check and become stronger) and all hope was lost.
Chuck or Pete: Pete. Both were great and died too soon sacrificing themseleves but Pete made a better first impression.
Carley or Lilly: Carley! Easiest decision ever. She was such a nice girl, level-headed and good with a gun, kept Lee's secret, helped protect Clem. She and Lee were meant to be and Lily ruined that!
Katjaa or Sarita: Katjaa. I don't dislike either but I feel like we got to know katjaa better and if Sarita hadn't come along then we might not have had to cope with another 4 episodes of Kenny grating on me.
Christa or Molly: Molly. As much as I want Clem to be reuinted with Christa, Christa took a while to warm to and Molly made a better first impression.
Bonnie or Jane: Bonnie. I liked her in 400 days but felt her story was too short, Season 2 corrected that. Disappointed she abadoned Clem as I would have stuck with her if I could. I never really felt any connection to Jane but she's still better than Kenny.
Mark or Nick: Mark. This was tough as I don't feel we got to know either of them as well as we could but Mark's better with a gun and he didn't deserve his fate.
Kenny or Luke: Luke! Another easy one. I was never really a big Kenny fan and he only annoyed me more in Season 2. Luke I liked straight away. Completely understood why he panicked at first but he quickly redeemed himself IMO. I was going to stick with Luke and Bonnie but I didn't get that choice!
Walter or Reggie: Reggie. Just because I had to think "Which one was Walter again?"
Pretty happy with my group though I'd happily swap Katjaa for Christa.
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, then trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that's it. Season two, Omid dies in the first 10 minutes, Christa is around another 10 minutes and is never seen from again. What was their purpose? Nothing. And because of them, they almost destroyed the game. Chuck was pushed aside as soon as they were introduced, He had important dialogue, was actually relevant and then as soon as they came a long what happened? He was barely seen in episode 3 after they came, episode 4 his only there at the start fighting off walkers to protect the group, and ends up dying. Ben could've redeemed himself by admitting what he had done and grown into a much more mature, stronger character, but because they came in, he was killed off, had they not off been there, he would've probably had a better role but Omids leg being dodgy, Christa sooking about everything got in the way of the other characters. Think about it, who were the other characters besides Lee and Clementine at the end/ That's right, Christa and Omid, It could've been Ben or Kenny or even Chuck, but no because they wanted Christa and Omid, all those others were killed off or had a escape that didn't make sense and was never fully explained. Obviously, you will disagree, but there's my reason why, now please enlighten me and tell me how they didn't ruin the game.
Ooh, snarky. That's adorable.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, … moreI haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want.
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, th… moreen trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that'… [view original content]
Um yes, their story arcs were kind of underwhelming, but people have different personalities and roles to fill. Not everyone can be the dynamic, charismatic hero or the tortured soul. I don't feel it's fair to say other characters got "pushed aside" because of Christa and Omid. There was bro time with Lee and Kenny looking for boats, Molly's introduction, meeting the support group, the whole Crawford thing, during which time Christa and Omid were mostly chilling at the house. Christa being attacked by the scavengers at the beginning of season 2 set up the season for Clem to meet new characters and grow as a person making decisions for and fending for herself for the first time. You're entitled to your opinion. In my opinion the primary mistake the writers made was forcing us to choose between manipulative Jane, off the rails Kenny, or going it alone with a baby!!! I'll take Luke and Bonnie any day.
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, th… moreen trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that'… [view original content]
First of all, stop trying to make things personal. Talk about the topic at hand, not about whether my friends are going to read this and reply or not. Lucky for you, I don't control them. I don't have them on a leash, and they also don't come on the forums as much anymore. So you can rest easy.
Now, I pretty much explained to you as to why I can't give you a reason as to why they didn't ruin it, because the thought wouldn't of came up that they did unless someone else brought it up. And I've never seen someone say that they ruin it, which is why barely any one can form an opinion countering it. We don't know what there is to counter.
And how does Christa and Omid being low-impacting characters (I'm being generous here) have to do with the game being ruined? You're taking it to an extreme.
And as if you know that Christa and Omid's appearance silenced other characters like Chuck. For all we know, Chuck could've been implemented just to give Lee advice and that's it. I don't see how you know what the writers chose to do when it hasn't been elaborated on and you're actually one of few people who probably think this.
Honestly, reading your post leads me to think that you're pissed because the characters you like/could have liked weren't there until the end. How am I supposed to counter an opinion like that?
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, th… moreen trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that'… [view original content]
Agreed. As far as I can remember, it wasn't said whether Chuck even intended to stay with the group after they got to Savannah. Kenny got plenty of screen time in season 2, and all the drama over Ben was starting to grate on me. Like or dislike whoever you want @Mrwalto69 , but remember it's just a game. :-)
First of all, stop trying to make things personal. Talk about the topic at hand, not about whether my friends are going to read this and rep… morely or not. Lucky for you, I don't control them. I don't have them on a leash, and they also don't come on the forums as much anymore. So you can rest easy.
Now, I pretty much explained to you as to why I can't give you a reason as to why they didn't ruin it, because the thought wouldn't of came up that they did unless someone else brought it up. And I've never seen someone say that they ruin it, which is why barely any one can form an opinion countering it. We don't know what there is to counter.
And how does Christa and Omid being low-impacting characters (I'm being generous here) have to do with the game being ruined? You're taking it to an extreme.
And as if you know that Christa and Omid's appearance silenced other characters like Chuck. For all we know, Chuck could've been implemented just t… [view original content]
I think you already made it personal by trying to be a smart ass when I asked a simple question remember? And then when the mods came on here, you played the innocent role. You're a baiter, trying to see if you can suck people in, and most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false? Are you hearing yourself right now?
Did you not read what I responded to you/ Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off? Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long.
Yes, I am annoyed that certain characters didn't make it because they were better characters then Christa and Omid, but as I have said already, Ben could've developed into a better character, Chuck could've filled a Pete style role for Clementine but they chose to kil lthem off so Christa and Omid could be more focused on and I think we both can agree that Christa and Omid were wasted in season two, so what was the point of keeping them just to kill them off in the first act of season 2 episode 1?
First of all, stop trying to make things personal. Talk about the topic at hand, not about whether my friends are going to read this and rep… morely or not. Lucky for you, I don't control them. I don't have them on a leash, and they also don't come on the forums as much anymore. So you can rest easy.
Now, I pretty much explained to you as to why I can't give you a reason as to why they didn't ruin it, because the thought wouldn't of came up that they did unless someone else brought it up. And I've never seen someone say that they ruin it, which is why barely any one can form an opinion countering it. We don't know what there is to counter.
And how does Christa and Omid being low-impacting characters (I'm being generous here) have to do with the game being ruined? You're taking it to an extreme.
And as if you know that Christa and Omid's appearance silenced other characters like Chuck. For all we know, Chuck could've been implemented just t… [view original content]
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
I thought Ben could've been good in a sense of maturing or Chuck as a father figure but hey that's my opinion.
Well, I could be like Lexi Porter if you like? (- ;
Agreed. As far as I can remember, it wasn't said whether Chuck even intended to stay with the group after they got to Savannah. Kenny got pl… moreenty of screen time in season 2, and all the drama over Ben was starting to grate on me. Like or dislike whoever you want @Mrwalto69 , but remember it's just a game. :-)
Well before they came a long, the characters who got pushed aside had better roles.
Chuck actually meant something, Ben had just confessed about the bandits, and then they came a long and those 2 got barely nothing. Chuck was killed off straight away, Ben's only screen time besides being in the back was talking to Lee about confessing to Kenny or being clumsy. We didn't need Christa and Omid, they bought nothing to the table. So killing Omid and Christa at the start of season two was good? All that character building in season 1, all the good characters killed off for them 2 was just so Clementine could mature? Wow, funny way of putting it. Yeah well Luke and Bonnie died in my playthrough, Bonnie was untrustworthy that got Walter and Alvin killed. You can argue it was Kennys fault for shooting, but who was the one who acted all innocent and took supplies then conned the group by being captured by Carver? Bonnie can apologize all she wants, it won't take back what she did.
Um yes, their story arcs were kind of underwhelming, but people have different personalities and roles to fill. Not everyone can be the dyna… moremic, charismatic hero or the tortured soul. I don't feel it's fair to say other characters got "pushed aside" because of Christa and Omid. There was bro time with Lee and Kenny looking for boats, Molly's introduction, meeting the support group, the whole Crawford thing, during which time Christa and Omid were mostly chilling at the house. Christa being attacked by the scavengers at the beginning of season 2 set up the season for Clem to meet new characters and grow as a person making decisions for and fending for herself for the first time. You're entitled to your opinion. In my opinion the primary mistake the writers made was forcing us to choose between manipulative Jane, off the rails Kenny, or going it alone with a baby!!! I'll take Luke and Bonnie any day.
Why are you always so antsy and aggressive? We are all just discussing a game.
Anyway to your points I know christa and omid were not that interesting but a group needs a few of those people or people who its just nice to talk to or rely on, having a whole dysfunctional group isnt fun (and part of the reason a lot of people dont like the cabin group). Plus Omid's injury was a bit plot point late into season1. Season 2 they were wasted however I feel the writers did this as they didnt want people asking about them in the future so rather than them just never come back they brought them back and seemingly killed them both.
I think you already made it personal by trying to be a smart ass when I asked a simple question remember? And then when the mods came on her… moree, you played the innocent role. You're a baiter, trying to see if you can suck people in, and most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false? Are you hearing yourself right now?
Did you not read what I responded to you/ Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off? Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long.
Yes, I am annoyed that certain characters didn't make it because they were better characters then Christa and O… [view original content]
Because every time I state me opinion. People like you ridicule me off it, you've done it in the past, I'm allowed to defend myself am I not?
The thing is that they added nothing to the story. Christa was only there too be nosy and to give off hints that she was pregnant, which meant nothing because we skipped her pregnancy/birth and child dying. Omid spent the majority of the episode off screen and had hardly anything in episode 5. They were useless.
Yeah well if they were going with that idea for season two, they should've kept Ben at least and watched him mature up. Guess killing Omid and Christa early was the better idea.
Why are you always so antsy and aggressive? We are all just discussing a game.
Anyway to your points I know christa and omid were not tha… moret interesting but a group needs a few of those people or people who its just nice to talk to or rely on, having a whole dysfunctional group isnt fun (and part of the reason a lot of people dont like the cabin group). Plus Omid's injury was a bit plot point late into season1. Season 2 they were wasted however I feel the writers did this as they didnt want people asking about them in the future so rather than them just never come back they brought them back and seemingly killed them both.
You can defend yourself but you often seem really angry about it and escalate things. You also seem to take counterpoints very personally. I guess I dont understand getting angry so easily.
Because every time I state me opinion. People like you ridicule me off it, you've done it in the past, I'm allowed to defend myself am I not… more?
The thing is that they added nothing to the story. Christa was only there too be nosy and to give off hints that she was pregnant, which meant nothing because we skipped her pregnancy/birth and child dying. Omid spent the majority of the episode off screen and had hardly anything in episode 5. They were useless.
Yeah well if they were going with that idea for season two, they should've kept Ben at least and watched him mature up. Guess killing Omid and Christa early was the better idea.
If the truth means that I'm angry then I am angry.
You asked why I get "angry", I tell you and the you back off and change subject ?
If you want me to be honest--- I'm sorry angry. Let me enlighten you.
I state my opinion, you come on a ridicule me. I stand up for my opinion, you claim I'm angry. So if you state your opinion, and someone challenges yours as false. And you explain your opinion, it means you're angry? Lol logic ?
You can defend yourself but you often seem really angry about it and escalate things. You also seem to take counterpoints very personally. I guess I dont understand getting angry so easily.
If the truth means that I'm angry then I am angry.
You asked why I get "angry", I tell you and the you back off and change subject ?
If y… moreou want me to be honest--- I'm sorry angry. Let me enlighten you.
I state my opinion, you come on a ridicule me. I stand up for my opinion, you claim I'm angry. So if you state your opinion, and someone challenges yours as false. And you explain your opinion, it means you're angry? Lol logic ?
We all have our own personality. I might come off aggressive to you, but maybe that's because you're shy or never experienced a confrontational person. I've been bought up that if someone is insulting you or talking shit, give it back to them. Ask infinite dawn when I asked a friendly question about a plot error and she insulted me. I bet you'd find her reponse acceptable .
Mrwalto69: "Do tell how they didn't almost ruin the game.... put a gif in the response to if you want."
InfiniteDawn: "Ooh, snarky. That's adorable.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, I haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want."
On basic analysis, neither of you are taking the high road here. Still, it's difficult to convey tone and meaning on the internet. @Firewallcano has a point. Maybe you should be more mindful of how you come off? Everybody gets offended so easily over nothing though. Sheesh! Can weall agree to disagree and please stop arguing on my post?
I think you already made it personal by trying to be a smart ass when I asked a simple question remember? And then when the mods came on her… moree, you played the innocent role. You're a baiter, trying to see if you can suck people in, and most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false? Are you hearing yourself right now?
Did you not read what I responded to you/ Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off? Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long.
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I didn't want an argument on your post. You posted a yes or no thread with people to choose from, I posted my opinion like everyone else, and then infinite dawn came on and put a stupid gif of a gay guy from top model acting like what I posted was bad. If anything, she should be lectured, not me. But, it's not the first time she has done it. But no, I never wanted an argument, I came here, posted my choices, and planned to leave it at that.
Mrwalto69: "Do tell how they didn't almost ruin the game.... put a gif in the response to if you want."
InfiniteDawn: "Ooh, snarky. That'… mores adorable.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, I haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want."
On basic analysis, neither of you are taking the high road here. Still, it's difficult to convey tone and meaning on the internet. @Firewallcano has a point. Maybe you should be more mindful of how you come off? Everybody gets offended so easily over nothing though. Sheesh! Can weall agree to disagree and please stop arguing on my post?
We don't know the writers' intentions. Are you saying they should have wrote the game differently?....because it's entirely possible that in those few scenes Chuck fulfilled the the role they intended for him. I will agree Ben's ending was kind of anticlimactic. Kenny made his peace with him (kind of). Was that what the writers planned for him all along?...to tie up loose ends, then dispose of him? We'll never know. It did seem a waste of character development, and season 2 could have been better. I get what you're saying, I really do, but some of us liked Christa and Omid. One could also argue there several characters who "brought nothing to the table", were one-dimensional, and were most likely there to up the body count. Here's looking at you Carlos, Alvin, Rebecca, and Mike (who was determinant in the original version of season 2). A lot of people hate Bonnie and Jane, but to me they are interesting because they are relatable and multi-faceted. Bonnie has a capacity for kindness and cares what people think, yet she has a weak will and will put herself first when the going gets tough. Jane is used to being alone and she puts up walls to not get attached to people, but she came back anyway for Clementine. Two sides to the coin, but I digress. Have a good day. :-)
Well before they came a long, the characters who got pushed aside had better roles.
Chuck actually meant something, Ben had just confessed… more about the bandits, and then they came a long and those 2 got barely nothing. Chuck was killed off straight away, Ben's only screen time besides being in the back was talking to Lee about confessing to Kenny or being clumsy. We didn't need Christa and Omid, they bought nothing to the table. So killing Omid and Christa at the start of season two was good? All that character building in season 1, all the good characters killed off for them 2 was just so Clementine could mature? Wow, funny way of putting it. Yeah well Luke and Bonnie died in my playthrough, Bonnie was untrustworthy that got Walter and Alvin killed. You can argue it was Kennys fault for shooting, but who was the one who acted all innocent and took supplies then conned the group by being captured by Carver? Bonnie can apologize all she wants, it won't take back what she did.
I'm not saying my opinion is right, it's my opinion. We all have different opinions. Mine is I thought they were the reason other characters got pushed aside. Is it 100% spot on? No, because as you said, we will never know. The characters in season two weren't as developed as good as season ones characters. I guess that's why a lot of people didn't connect with season two as much as season one.
If you like bonnie, that's fine, we are all allowed to like bonnie and a lot of people did forgive her. I didn't because what happened after her lies was a lot to take in that can't be forgiven with a simple sorry.
But none of us is wrong, it's just what we think (-:
We don't know the writers' intentions. Are you saying they should have wrote the game differently?....because it's entirely possible that in… more those few scenes Chuck fulfilled the the role they intended for him. I will agree Ben's ending was kind of anticlimactic. Kenny made his peace with him (kind of). Was that what the writers planned for him all along?...to tie up loose ends, then dispose of him? We'll never know. It did seem a waste of character development, and season 2 could have been better. I get what you're saying, I really do, but some of us liked Christa and Omid. One could also argue there several characters who "brought nothing to the table", were one-dimensional, and were most likely there to up the body count. Here's looking at you Carlos, Alvin, Rebecca, and Mike (who was determinant in the original version of season 2). A lot of people hate Bonnie and Jane, but to me they are interesting because they are relatable and multi-fa… [view original content]
I liked Christa and Omid (to a lesser extent) but you've made some good points. Both felt like side characters (especially Omid). I've always said that Lee, Kenny, Clementine, Lilly and Ben were the main characters of the game, all to a different extent of course. They all had proper arcs and development (even though Lilly was written out early, her development and importance to the story was still good imo). I guess Omid and Christa's main importance was to take care of Clementine after Lee died, which was basically the set up for season 2. I wanted Kenny to be the one to take care of Clementine but after he "died" they were the only ones left.
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, th… moreen trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that'… [view original content]
Lily was pretty developed. And she had good storylines as well. The whole Carley/doug thing was done for shock value, more so for Carley because it was sudden and no one thought she was going to be killed like that.
It just seems like christa and omid had no importance when season two started. I'm only annoyed because of that was what they were destined for, why not keep some of the other more developed characters like Ben or chuck or even lily or Carley. I think it's only see because imo, other characters could've had better roles but were pushed aside for christa and omid hence why besides clementine, they were the only season one characters to make it out alive until Kenny returned.
I liked Christa and Omid (to a lesser extent) but you've made some good points. Both felt like side characters (especially Omid). I've alway… mores said that Lee, Kenny, Clementine, Lilly and Ben were the main characters of the game, all to a different extent of course. They all had proper arcs and development (even though Lilly was written out early, her development and importance to the story was still good imo). I guess Omid and Christa's main importance was to take care of Clementine after Lee died, which was basically the set up for season 2. I wanted Kenny to be the one to take care of Clementine but after he "died" they were the only ones left.
I wasn't a smart ass, actually. My first response was a harmless gif. Boo hoo. Your reply was more smart ass than the gif itself, so let's not get pissy when you start shit and don't want to finish it.
And a baiter? lol. I like have discussions and debates, what I don't like is you trying to be a smart ass over the most simplest things because you want to try and one up me. Get over it, you got yourself banned because you flipped out. Not my problem that you didn't control yourself.
most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
It's a public fucking forum lmao. Every discussion has something to do with everyone. Forums were built for peoples discussions, opinions, and conversations. Not so you can try and shame me for getting into discussions.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false?
I didn't say it was false, but thank you for putting words in my mouth. Really. It's charming. 10/10 down to earth aussie bloke.
anyway, I guess I'm gonna have to spell it out for you.
I've never heard anyone besides you say that Christa and Omid ruined the game.
And had I not heard you say it, I wouldn't of given that a thought. Because I don't see any possible ways that they could "ruin the game". Like if someone said that Ben was a liability, I could see what they mean given his actions, but I'd have to disagree. In this case, I couldn't see where you were coming from before you explained.
Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
All you did was piss and moan about how your favourite characters didn't get to the end of the game because Christa and Omid were introduced. I can't reply to that at all, it's an extreme opinion. And I'm barely fans of them. I like them, yeah, but I'm not a die-hard fangirl.
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off?
Ooooh my God, you're kidding right? That's like saying Ben's presence impacted Chuck getting killed off. Literally any character could take Christa and Omid's spot as "the impact that killed off Chuck" lmao. Sorry, but are you listening to yourself right now? You don't like them, I can see that. But don't single them out for the most absurd shit like that.
Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long
"Hey Lee, you gotta teach your girl how to fend for herself. Age doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter. Literally nothing matters, just cut her hair and teach her to shoot a gun. Now you go do that, I'll just be here at the front of the train drinking."
Dude, after the advice he gave Lee, he didn't do anything after that besides getting himself killed because Ben fucked up. I don't see any other role or impact he had in the time being besides those two things.
Yes, I am annoyed that certain characters didn't make it because they were better characters then Christa and Omid
ok and im pissed that chet didnt make it to the end of season 1
such a better character than clem
gosh darnit
Ben could've developed into a better character
If you keep Ben alive in Episode 4, and decide to take him along with you to find Clem, he basically says how he's going to redeem himself and be there for Clem because she was there for him.
Then he dies.
Sure, if you used your imagination to think of Ben exceeding his two death points, then there was hope for Ben if he bucked up. But clearly the writers were done with his story. For a quite unrealistic game, they still grasp at those real moments like how life won't end when you want it to. It won't always end with you going out heroically, or after making amends. It can literally end with a blink, and as unfair as it will be.
Chuck could've filled a Pete style role for Clementine but they chose to kil lthem off so Christa and Omid could be more focused on
Okay, hold up. The entire reason why Lee died was so Clementine was forced out into the harsh world by herself. And this time, without her trusting guardian. It basically sets us up for Season 2 to expand on Clem's story as she grows and learns. There wouldn't be any point to have Chuck fill a "Pete style role" so early after Lee's death since it'll just erase what the writers were trying to build. And that being, Clementine's independence.
And so Christa and Omid could be focused on??????
what???????????
How can you even say that so surely, I don't understand why you think that? I don't get why you like to single them out so much when any other character could've been in their position.
I think we both can agree that Christa and Omid were wasted in season two, so what was the point of keeping them just to kill them off in the first act of season 2 episode 1?
Character growth, obviously. Season 2 is Clementine's story, now. Omid's death affected Christa (and most likely her pregnancy), which made Christa's grief affect Clementine. Again, this goes back to my point about life ending suddenly in the game, and even when it isn't fair. Clem surely would've developed a good relationship with both of them before they died/got lost, so it was obviously gonna impact her and grow her character. That's basically the point of everyone in Season 2, to affect Clementine's character as she lived through the ZA.
I think you already made it personal by trying to be a smart ass when I asked a simple question remember? And then when the mods came on her… moree, you played the innocent role. You're a baiter, trying to see if you can suck people in, and most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false? Are you hearing yourself right now?
Did you not read what I responded to you/ Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off? Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long.
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It seems strange that I'd save 9/10 of those people.
We'd save the same people
I'll add my opinions just for fun. Let me know what you think, guys.
Doug or Omid -Doug. Omid is awesome, but I feel like Doug filled a niche. He had a skill set no one else in either season did (or at least that was shown). He was always thinking, always creating.
Ben or Sarah -Ben. Given the choice, I would have saved Sarah every time, but she didn't even try to help herself. Ben at least made an effort. We are given the impression Sarah has a disability, but Carlos didn't do her any favours by sheltering her so much....
Chuck or Pete: -Chuck. I liked Pete, but Chuck gets the edge by sacrificing himself so the group in Savannah can escape the walker horde.
Carley or Lilly: -Lilly. I didn't get to see Carley's character development since I saved Doug, so my answer here might be different depending on how Carley's story progressed. Lily was a smart and capable leader, who took a poor turn after her father's death/killing. I would like to see if she has been able to heal and redeem herself.
Katjaa or Sarita -Sarita. Katjaa in a sense was a catalyst in Kenny's going off the deep end in season 2. Had she not killed herself, leaving Kenny alone to deal with the death of their son (and her), he might have been a different person.
Christa or Molly -Christa. Molly flitted in and out. She had potential, but Telltale decided not to follow her story. Christa was nothing if not dutiful and resilient throughout. She lived through so much hardship without losing her mind or becoming unfeeling. She still cared for Clementine's welfare after the death of Omid and her baby.
Bonnie or Jane -Bonnie. Both were very flawed and disappointed me in the end. I still like and forgive them both, but I would choose Bonnie, as I feel her mistakes were made more from emotion and desperation, while Jane's were calculated. She pushed Kenny and wouldn't let up. My Clementine was aware of the inevitability of Kenny's total breakdown, but Jane speeded him along.
Mark or Nick -Mark. This is one of the harder choices for me. I love Nick, but I feel like Mark would be better under pressure. Nick is kind of a hot shot and acts before thinking. Also, Mark deserved so much more than a gruesome, slow death.
Kenny or Luke -Luke. Another really hard one. I didn't want to shoot Kenny, but he had become too unstable and didn't care what anyone else in the group thought was best. Had we had the option to abandon him, he would have given up completely and joined Katjaa and Duck. I don't think Luke is a capable leader though. Out of the people left at the end of episode 4 in season 2, Jane would be the best leader.
Walter or Reggie -Walter. Walter would have been a good addition to the group. He proved he could use a gun, but also that he still had faith in humans and the future of humanity. He had a perspective the others did not.
Doug or Omid - Omid: I honestly like them both, but I like Omid more since he doesn't feel like a bland character as Doug is. I'm not saying Doug is entirely bland, I get that it's his character to be the shy, nerdy type, but I just rub well more with the "funny guy" that knows his stuff as well, rather than the guy who's a lot more timid, but smart. Doug kind of feels like a shell of a character to me.
Ben or Sarah - Sarah: I really like Ben, but I can't help but like Sarah more. Not really much reasoning, sorry.
Chuck or Pete - Pete: I feel more connected to Pete than I do with Chuck. To be honest, I liked his advice, but I really just didn't like him in general. Pete, although a person, felt more "home like" than Chuck did to me. His personality was really likable as well.
Carley or Lilly - Lilly: Gotta love my girl Lilly. My broken down, mentally unstable girl. No but seriously, I have nothing against Carley. I just didn't like her as much as everyone else did. I just thought of her as an ordinary woman, nothing "great" about her, nothing bad. To me, she was just... there. Lilly had quite the personality to her, I loved how she had the natural instinct of leadership, how she was stern, and show she knew what to say to piss people off. I felt so bad for her when Larry died, it made her do something she wouldn't of done in her right mind. Over all, she was a really complex character, and I love those types.
Katjaa or Sarita - Katjaa: Honestly, both were the "push over" type when it came to Kenny (not in general), Sarita more than Katjaa. Although Katjaa wasn't introduced to the mentally unstable Kenny (considering her death is what triggered it), she didn't really have to deal with what Sarita did, like picking up the broken pieces, I can't really say she's as much as a push over like Sarita is. I respect whatever Sarita had to deal with when she first met Kenny, and even fell in love with him, but as we see in the game, she barely tries to tame Kenny's temper. I acknowledge that she has, like when he gets loud or speaks to her in a bad way, but there's other times like in the truck where she barely tried to stop Kenny from getting himself possibly killed (ambushing Carver's men when the door opened), all she really did was tell him to "listen to them" a few times and stay silent. She was even silent when he was swearing at Rebecca over what name they use for Carver (a little, petty, and unnecessary thing to get worked up about) and when Kenny was pressuring Clementine to accompany him in ambushing armed guards. That's why I'd like to pick Katjaa over Sarita, since what we saw from her when it came to handling Kenny, was better in my opinion. Had she had to handle him when he was as broken as he was in Season 2, I think she'd do a good job at trying to tame him.
Christa or Molly - Christa: Now I like both of these characters, each for different reasons. I like Christa because of her motherly instinct, despite not even having a kid when we first met her. Almost immediately did she care about Clementine's well-being and sniff out Lee (figuratively of course) for any warning signs of him not treating her right. She took care of Clementine for almost 2 years when it wasn't her responsibility to, even after Clem indirectly got her boyfriend killed and after the death of her baby. She kept her head together, which is more that what we can say for most people in the apocalypse. Where as when we first met Molly, she was going to leave Lee, Kenny, and Clementine to fend off a herd of walkers by themselves. After a little bit of convincing and puppy eyes from Clem did she actually bother to reluctantly help. And when they were back at the mansion, she came off rude to Lee when he asked her where Clementine was.
Bonnie or Jane - Jane: I kinda like these characters. Again, for their own reasons. I feel like Bonnie has a really nice side to her, and Jane, although her actions are extreme, has good motives and reasoning as to why she does them. Bonnie got a little confusing nearing the end of her arc, because before that she surely did have a soft spot for Clementine. She promised to Clem that she wouldn't screw the group over and even apologized to her. She gave her a jacket, something that surely went against the rep she was trying to keep up at Carver's camp. So if you choose to help Luke, which is what Bonnie prefers you do, then why would she abandon you at the house? Why wouldn't she try to convince Clementine to come with them? And if you choose to cover Luke instead, why the hell does she blame his death on you? Despite her being the one that broke the ice even more? At least when Jane said she cared for Clementine, she stuck to it.
Mark or Nick - Nick: Oh, Nick, definitely. A cupcake like that can't go unloved.
Kenny or Luke - Luke: lmao as if this is even a choice for me.
Walter or Reggie - Walter: Reggie, although I kinda like him, I found a bit annoying. Walter was kind, smart, good with a gun too. He really did have a more intellectual outlook on the world than others had.
I almost spewed when you said "foursome."
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Do tell how they didn't almost ruin the game....
put a gif in the response to if you want.
Ooh, snarky. That's adorable.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, I haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want.
You want an explanation on how they didn't ruin the game?
Alright, here you go:
They didn't.
Play nice, children!
Omid: I mean cmon, you can't say no to that face
Ben: I need an extra gun hand, and he's the closest thing to it. I'd honestly leave them both, but a decision must be made.
Pete: I honestly would rather pick Chuck but he seems older, so just for longevity sake I'd take Pete. They are both really great guys and I'd take them both over a Sarah or Ben, but a decision.
Carley: She was supposed to be with my Lee!!! MY LEE!! And it's Lily's fault that she's not. She was the most level headed one in the camp and ever since we lost her Kenny has gone crazy. We need a reporter to keep people in check.
Sarita: I can't trust someone that can't handle death well. And I get it, it's your son you don't wanna do it. Hell idk if I could do it. But that is the deciding factor and Katjaa you are off the island. Would take neither tbh
Christa and Molly: this one is not fair. They are so different that I'd rather it have been Christa or Bonnie, and then Molly or Jane. But I'm taking both of them and killing (not leaving behind, killing in cold blood) Bonnie and Jane.
Bonnie, it should be obvious why. She betrays you more than once for no good reason other than she's weak and doesn't like to stick through the tough times. You can try and say she redeemed herself by saving you, but what happens in the last episode. Yeah fuck you Bonnie.
And why Jane? Cause Jane is all about being a lone wolf, and as hipster as that is, it's not good for anyone that isn't her. I don't expect her to immediately try and just steal our stuff, but the way she's lived would not work well in the community id be building. And I'd also remember what she did to AJ in the alternate timeline that wouldn't exist and would shoot her for it.
Mark: Mark was the guy who we almost ate his leg, right? He was way more interesting than Nick to me and offered more to the group, before the plot happened. Would love to learn more about him.
Luke: Kenny is honestly better off by himself, and if Luke wasn't always injured he would've been a much bigger help in the long run. Plus he's not a maniacal asshole that is only worried about himself. So that only benefits the group.
Walter: Reggie had one arm.. And he didn't look like he ever shot a gun. Also Walters moment was very telling of what kinda leader he was and could be. If he stayed alive he honestly would've been a tremendous help to Clem and the group, especially mentally.
Have no problem trading Mark for Kenny though. If I have a Kenny and a Luke, with a Walter to keep everyone calm.. We'd be the best community honestly. I'm pretty happy with my lineup, they could probably take out Negan..
Hahahahahahaha
Pretty happy with my group though I'd happily swap Katjaa for Christa.
More Info people D.....
Oh I see ID, this is going to be like our last encounter isn't it? You and me arguing about something, you bringing your friends into it, then trying to get me banned lol okay, I see where it's going.
But seeing how I am actually a down to earth aussie, i'll tell you why, after all I did ask you to prove to me how they didn't but like you and Deltino down there, you say they didn't, but don't explain why, so i'll explain how they did.
The group was fine the way it was, we had good storylines and good characters being built i.e Kenny's depression with the loss of his family, Clementine growing more mature into the ZA (at least until the end of episode 4) Ben and his confession about the bandits and Lee as the player character, and then Christa and Omid came a long and ruined it. What good were they? Christa's only storyline was that she was pregnant but wasn't fully told but was obvious, Omid hurt his leg and was a practical joker. And that's it. Season two, Omid dies in the first 10 minutes, Christa is around another 10 minutes and is never seen from again. What was their purpose? Nothing. And because of them, they almost destroyed the game. Chuck was pushed aside as soon as they were introduced, He had important dialogue, was actually relevant and then as soon as they came a long what happened? He was barely seen in episode 3 after they came, episode 4 his only there at the start fighting off walkers to protect the group, and ends up dying. Ben could've redeemed himself by admitting what he had done and grown into a much more mature, stronger character, but because they came in, he was killed off, had they not off been there, he would've probably had a better role but Omids leg being dodgy, Christa sooking about everything got in the way of the other characters. Think about it, who were the other characters besides Lee and Clementine at the end/ That's right, Christa and Omid, It could've been Ben or Kenny or even Chuck, but no because they wanted Christa and Omid, all those others were killed off or had a escape that didn't make sense and was never fully explained. Obviously, you will disagree, but there's my reason why, now please enlighten me and tell me how they didn't ruin the game.
I would save
You know, I was being facetious in that post
Like I am in about 65% of everything I post here
i blame the writters
Um yes, their story arcs were kind of underwhelming, but people have different personalities and roles to fill. Not everyone can be the dynamic, charismatic hero or the tortured soul. I don't feel it's fair to say other characters got "pushed aside" because of Christa and Omid. There was bro time with Lee and Kenny looking for boats, Molly's introduction, meeting the support group, the whole Crawford thing, during which time Christa and Omid were mostly chilling at the house. Christa being attacked by the scavengers at the beginning of season 2 set up the season for Clem to meet new characters and grow as a person making decisions for and fending for herself for the first time. You're entitled to your opinion. In my opinion the primary mistake the writers made was forcing us to choose between manipulative Jane, off the rails Kenny, or going it alone with a baby!!! I'll take Luke and Bonnie any day.
Nah nah don't go coward on me,
I want to hear how they didn't ruin the game.
First of all, stop trying to make things personal. Talk about the topic at hand, not about whether my friends are going to read this and reply or not. Lucky for you, I don't control them. I don't have them on a leash, and they also don't come on the forums as much anymore. So you can rest easy.
Now, I pretty much explained to you as to why I can't give you a reason as to why they didn't ruin it, because the thought wouldn't of came up that they did unless someone else brought it up. And I've never seen someone say that they ruin it, which is why barely any one can form an opinion countering it. We don't know what there is to counter.
And how does Christa and Omid being low-impacting characters (I'm being generous here) have to do with the game being ruined? You're taking it to an extreme.
And as if you know that Christa and Omid's appearance silenced other characters like Chuck. For all we know, Chuck could've been implemented just to give Lee advice and that's it. I don't see how you know what the writers chose to do when it hasn't been elaborated on and you're actually one of few people who probably think this.
Honestly, reading your post leads me to think that you're pissed because the characters you like/could have liked weren't there until the end. How am I supposed to counter an opinion like that?
Agreed. As far as I can remember, it wasn't said whether Chuck even intended to stay with the group after they got to Savannah. Kenny got plenty of screen time in season 2, and all the drama over Ben was starting to grate on me. Like or dislike whoever you want @Mrwalto69 , but remember it's just a game. :-)
I think you already made it personal by trying to be a smart ass when I asked a simple question remember? And then when the mods came on here, you played the innocent role. You're a baiter, trying to see if you can suck people in, and most of the time, you get into a discussion that has nothing to do with you.
So in other words, because you never seen anyone put it up, it's false? Are you hearing yourself right now?
Did you not read what I responded to you/ Or is because you are a Christa and Omid fan, whatever negative comments they get, you care to block out?
He could've been, many have speculated that Chuck was only in the game to give Lee that advice on the train, but then again, how do you know that Christa and Omids presence didn't impact him being killed off? Seem strange how he had a decent role until they came a long.
Yes, I am annoyed that certain characters didn't make it because they were better characters then Christa and Omid, but as I have said already, Ben could've developed into a better character, Chuck could've filled a Pete style role for Clementine but they chose to kil lthem off so Christa and Omid could be more focused on and I think we both can agree that Christa and Omid were wasted in season two, so what was the point of keeping them just to kill them off in the first act of season 2 episode 1?
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
I thought Ben could've been good in a sense of maturing or Chuck as a father figure but hey that's my opinion.
Well, I could be like Lexi Porter if you like? (- ;
Well before they came a long, the characters who got pushed aside had better roles.
Chuck actually meant something, Ben had just confessed about the bandits, and then they came a long and those 2 got barely nothing. Chuck was killed off straight away, Ben's only screen time besides being in the back was talking to Lee about confessing to Kenny or being clumsy. We didn't need Christa and Omid, they bought nothing to the table. So killing Omid and Christa at the start of season two was good? All that character building in season 1, all the good characters killed off for them 2 was just so Clementine could mature? Wow, funny way of putting it. Yeah well Luke and Bonnie died in my playthrough, Bonnie was untrustworthy that got Walter and Alvin killed. You can argue it was Kennys fault for shooting, but who was the one who acted all innocent and took supplies then conned the group by being captured by Carver? Bonnie can apologize all she wants, it won't take back what she did.
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oh no you didn't
you did NOT just call me a coward over the internet
it's on now motherfucker, the gloves are coming off
Don't hit below the belt now, lets have a fair fight (!)
Why are you always so antsy and aggressive? We are all just discussing a game.
Anyway to your points I know christa and omid were not that interesting but a group needs a few of those people or people who its just nice to talk to or rely on, having a whole dysfunctional group isnt fun (and part of the reason a lot of people dont like the cabin group). Plus Omid's injury was a bit plot point late into season1. Season 2 they were wasted however I feel the writers did this as they didnt want people asking about them in the future so rather than them just never come back they brought them back and seemingly killed them both.
Because every time I state me opinion. People like you ridicule me off it, you've done it in the past, I'm allowed to defend myself am I not?
The thing is that they added nothing to the story. Christa was only there too be nosy and to give off hints that she was pregnant, which meant nothing because we skipped her pregnancy/birth and child dying. Omid spent the majority of the episode off screen and had hardly anything in episode 5. They were useless.
Yeah well if they were going with that idea for season two, they should've kept Ben at least and watched him mature up. Guess killing Omid and Christa early was the better idea.
You can defend yourself but you often seem really angry about it and escalate things. You also seem to take counterpoints very personally. I guess I dont understand getting angry so easily.
If the truth means that I'm angry then I am angry.
You asked why I get "angry", I tell you and the you back off and change subject ?
If you want me to be honest--- I'm sorry angry. Let me enlighten you.
I state my opinion, you come on a ridicule me. I stand up for my opinion, you claim I'm angry. So if you state your opinion, and someone challenges yours as false. And you explain your opinion, it means you're angry? Lol logic ?
Its the way you talk/type it just comes across as aggressive whether you intend it to or not.
We all have our own personality. I might come off aggressive to you, but maybe that's because you're shy or never experienced a confrontational person. I've been bought up that if someone is insulting you or talking shit, give it back to them. Ask infinite dawn when I asked a friendly question about a plot error and she insulted me. I bet you'd find her reponse acceptable .
Mrwalto69: "Do tell how they didn't almost ruin the game.... put a gif in the response to if you want."
InfiniteDawn: "Ooh, snarky. That's adorable.
But I can't counter the reasoning you HAVEN'T given me. So surely, I'd need one of those. Because you see, I haven't seen a way that they could have ruined it, which wouldn't lead me to form an opinion on why they didn't. Oh, and put a gif in the reasoning if you want."
On basic analysis, neither of you are taking the high road here. Still, it's difficult to convey tone and meaning on the internet. @Firewallcano has a point. Maybe you should be more mindful of how you come off? Everybody gets offended so easily over nothing though. Sheesh! Can weall agree to disagree and please stop arguing on my post?
I didn't want an argument on your post. You posted a yes or no thread with people to choose from, I posted my opinion like everyone else, and then infinite dawn came on and put a stupid gif of a gay guy from top model acting like what I posted was bad. If anything, she should be lectured, not me. But, it's not the first time she has done it. But no, I never wanted an argument, I came here, posted my choices, and planned to leave it at that.
We don't know the writers' intentions. Are you saying they should have wrote the game differently?....because it's entirely possible that in those few scenes Chuck fulfilled the the role they intended for him. I will agree Ben's ending was kind of anticlimactic. Kenny made his peace with him (kind of). Was that what the writers planned for him all along?...to tie up loose ends, then dispose of him? We'll never know. It did seem a waste of character development, and season 2 could have been better. I get what you're saying, I really do, but some of us liked Christa and Omid. One could also argue there several characters who "brought nothing to the table", were one-dimensional, and were most likely there to up the body count. Here's looking at you Carlos, Alvin, Rebecca, and Mike (who was determinant in the original version of season 2). A lot of people hate Bonnie and Jane, but to me they are interesting because they are relatable and multi-faceted. Bonnie has a capacity for kindness and cares what people think, yet she has a weak will and will put herself first when the going gets tough. Jane is used to being alone and she puts up walls to not get attached to people, but she came back anyway for Clementine. Two sides to the coin, but I digress. Have a good day. :-)
I'm not saying my opinion is right, it's my opinion. We all have different opinions. Mine is I thought they were the reason other characters got pushed aside. Is it 100% spot on? No, because as you said, we will never know. The characters in season two weren't as developed as good as season ones characters. I guess that's why a lot of people didn't connect with season two as much as season one.
If you like bonnie, that's fine, we are all allowed to like bonnie and a lot of people did forgive her. I didn't because what happened after her lies was a lot to take in that can't be forgiven with a simple sorry.
But none of us is wrong, it's just what we think (-:
I liked Christa and Omid (to a lesser extent) but you've made some good points. Both felt like side characters (especially Omid). I've always said that Lee, Kenny, Clementine, Lilly and Ben were the main characters of the game, all to a different extent of course. They all had proper arcs and development (even though Lilly was written out early, her development and importance to the story was still good imo). I guess Omid and Christa's main importance was to take care of Clementine after Lee died, which was basically the set up for season 2. I wanted Kenny to be the one to take care of Clementine but after he "died" they were the only ones left.
Lily was pretty developed. And she had good storylines as well. The whole Carley/doug thing was done for shock value, more so for Carley because it was sudden and no one thought she was going to be killed like that.
It just seems like christa and omid had no importance when season two started. I'm only annoyed because of that was what they were destined for, why not keep some of the other more developed characters like Ben or chuck or even lily or Carley. I think it's only see because imo, other characters could've had better roles but were pushed aside for christa and omid hence why besides clementine, they were the only season one characters to make it out alive until Kenny returned.
I wasn't a smart ass, actually. My first response was a harmless gif. Boo hoo. Your reply was more smart ass than the gif itself, so let's not get pissy when you start shit and don't want to finish it.
And a baiter? lol. I like have discussions and debates, what I don't like is you trying to be a smart ass over the most simplest things because you want to try and one up me. Get over it, you got yourself banned because you flipped out. Not my problem that you didn't control yourself.
It's a public fucking forum lmao. Every discussion has something to do with everyone. Forums were built for peoples discussions, opinions, and conversations. Not so you can try and shame me for getting into discussions.
I didn't say it was false, but thank you for putting words in my mouth. Really. It's charming. 10/10 down to earth aussie bloke.
anyway, I guess I'm gonna have to spell it out for you.
I've never heard anyone besides you say that Christa and Omid ruined the game.
And had I not heard you say it, I wouldn't of given that a thought. Because I don't see any possible ways that they could "ruin the game". Like if someone said that Ben was a liability, I could see what they mean given his actions, but I'd have to disagree. In this case, I couldn't see where you were coming from before you explained.
All you did was piss and moan about how your favourite characters didn't get to the end of the game because Christa and Omid were introduced. I can't reply to that at all, it's an extreme opinion. And I'm barely fans of them. I like them, yeah, but I'm not a die-hard fangirl.
Ooooh my God, you're kidding right? That's like saying Ben's presence impacted Chuck getting killed off. Literally any character could take Christa and Omid's spot as "the impact that killed off Chuck" lmao. Sorry, but are you listening to yourself right now? You don't like them, I can see that. But don't single them out for the most absurd shit like that.
"Hey Lee, you gotta teach your girl how to fend for herself. Age doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter. Literally nothing matters, just cut her hair and teach her to shoot a gun. Now you go do that, I'll just be here at the front of the train drinking."
Dude, after the advice he gave Lee, he didn't do anything after that besides getting himself killed because Ben fucked up. I don't see any other role or impact he had in the time being besides those two things.
ok and im pissed that chet didnt make it to the end of season 1
such a better character than clem
gosh darnit
If you keep Ben alive in Episode 4, and decide to take him along with you to find Clem, he basically says how he's going to redeem himself and be there for Clem because she was there for him.
Then he dies.
Sure, if you used your imagination to think of Ben exceeding his two death points, then there was hope for Ben if he bucked up. But clearly the writers were done with his story. For a quite unrealistic game, they still grasp at those real moments like how life won't end when you want it to. It won't always end with you going out heroically, or after making amends. It can literally end with a blink, and as unfair as it will be.
Okay, hold up. The entire reason why Lee died was so Clementine was forced out into the harsh world by herself. And this time, without her trusting guardian. It basically sets us up for Season 2 to expand on Clem's story as she grows and learns. There wouldn't be any point to have Chuck fill a "Pete style role" so early after Lee's death since it'll just erase what the writers were trying to build. And that being, Clementine's independence.
And so Christa and Omid could be focused on??????
what???????????
How can you even say that so surely, I don't understand why you think that? I don't get why you like to single them out so much when any other character could've been in their position.
Character growth, obviously. Season 2 is Clementine's story, now. Omid's death affected Christa (and most likely her pregnancy), which made Christa's grief affect Clementine. Again, this goes back to my point about life ending suddenly in the game, and even when it isn't fair. Clem surely would've developed a good relationship with both of them before they died/got lost, so it was obviously gonna impact her and grow her character. That's basically the point of everyone in Season 2, to affect Clementine's character as she lived through the ZA.