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Did you leave Rodrik or Asher behind?
I left Rodrik behind.
My reasons:
- I made Rodrik a total badass through out the whole season, and I thought Rodrik would be more of a badass if he stayed behind
- Rodrik's whole goal at the harbor was to save Asher, and if Rodrik left Asher to die, Rodrik going to the harbor would be all for nothing
- Asher's younger
- I love Asher and Beskha's relationship
- It makes more sense in terms of story
- I thought the pit fighters would rather listen to Asher than they would listen to Rodrik
- Oh, and if there's a thread for this already, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Either I didn't know or I forgot
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Both deserve to live !!!
But after everything, I choose Rodrik save Asher. By what Talia, Ethan, Ryon told about Rodrik in ep 1; The way Rodrik talked with Talia and Ryon, the way he talked about Ethan's dead, Ashur's exile, Mira's absence ... I have the feeling he is the kind of man who will do everything for his own brothers (and sisters too). It's not just a responsibility, a duty, they are always deep in his heart. So I choose the eldest watchful brother save his little brother, the one just came back home after years !!!
Sorry for my bad English !!!
Asher saved Rodrik, and stayed behind.
Because Rodrik had to kill every last Whitehill, down to the babes in their beds. And I couldn't lose him before that happened.
I left Asher behind for multiple reasons-
Rodrik was my favourite character.
It didn't feel right having anyone other than Rodrik fight the Whitehills and kill Ludd.
Rodrik is the Lord and should always be the priority. Asher was just a fighter, as blunt as that sounds. You don't sacrifice a king for a knight in chess.
Asher dying for the family who cast him out and finally earning redemption felt more fitting and like GOT.
Rodrik had lost so much already I couldn't give Gryff the satisfaction of being there, smiling over his corpse.
Elaena would be heartbroken just after her brother's death.
Gared said Rodrik was their 'Greatest warrior by far' so it made more sense that he should live to see the last fight.
Beskha would win over the respect of the fighters without Asher.
2 Lord Forresters already died this season, Rodrik would make 3.
Rodrik spent the entire season dealing with Ludd and Gryff at Ironrath and Highpoint. Asher was in Essos the whole time and thus I didn't feel he had the same impact.
Me too, because in my opinion Rodrik is a Badass
I left Asher behind. I have this thing about the TTG games, you know? I love to play them as if the characters are really alive (is not that why it is funny?), so I am not actually "choosing" anything, the characters are. See, remember what Lady Forrester said about Asher? He does not think twice when it comes to his family sake. He is definetly not the younger brother who needs any kind of protection, he would just kick Rodrik out if he did not leave. On the other hand, Rodrik is cold and calm, and understands that as a Lord he can not sacrifice himself like that.
I've gone through the game three times now and I still cannot bear to leave Asher behind. The first time I chose Asher because I liked Asher better. Not only is he the more capable fighter, but he's fearless, smarter than he looks, and most of all "Charming". I never liked the Rodrick character. Mainly because it sounded like Rodrick was never the kind of guy to deal with failure. He probably succeeded at everything he did. So when he became injured it should've been a time for revelations. Instead it was just "Oh he's wounded, but he's still the strongest person in the house". I didn't buy it.
The second time I chose Rodrick to stay because I WAS going to choose Asher to stay to see the other side of the story, but when i moved the mouse over to Asher Beskha called out saying "Don't you do it Asher! Don't you leave me!" I love Beskha. She's the best. I couldn't bear to send her little brother to the gods just yet.
As for the third time I bought a new computer and had to re download the game, and start all over with new save files. So when Season 2 comes along I want Asher to be alive. But at least this time I finally got rid of Ludd Whitehill (It is damn near impossible to do it when you're using Asher. I always ended up killing Griff instead).
To the point of my posting this Asher is the more logical choice. The whole reason Lady Forrester sent Malcolm away was to find Asher because he's a warrior who could lead the house during battle. He's uninjured, and has been fighting as a sellsword in Essos for years. He can be diplomatic when he wants, but he also doesn't take sh*t from people he doesn't like. If Asher were there when Ramsay was cutting up Arthur Glenmore there'd be one less Bolton to worry about. Asher also had the pit fighters which he could lead, and since Rodrick was dead Asher would've become the new lord anyways. Whereas if Asher had died Rodrick would've still had his lordly title but not the respect of the pit fighters. Why risk half your army, especially when it's the better half, when you could have both?
I saved Asher for the same reasons I saved Mira; he has more to live for. Rodrick is [physically] half dead and has nothing else to prove in life. Asher needs redemption. Asher needs to prove himself. Not to mention, it did not make sense for him to lose his life for a family that abandoned him.
Personally, I was entertained by Asher than Rodrick. At times, I found Rodrick to be boring. I would have rather played as Ethan as the Lord.
True....but wouldn't Asher and Rodrick both see that Rodrick was not in as good of shape as Asher and that Asher's style was more needed in the battle to come.
Yes, of course they would. That is a very logical way of thinking, even knowing that would not make Asher leave his brother behind though, also, Rodrik is the Lord, injured or not. So everyone here who play these games, who love these characters, see them in a very particular way. And the way I see it, leaving Rodrik behind means to betray everything Asher represents, everything Rodrik represents, and everything that the very house Forrester represents. You do not abandon your liege Lord just because there is an "easier way". You must endure no matter what, never giving up, as said Lady Forrester:
"Your body may be damaged, but your spirit must be like iron. You let nothing get into your way, do you understand? If you have to murder every last Whitehill to the babies in their beds... No matter what you must do it."
True....However, there are lots of things to consider. 1)Though they are his family, Asher was banished from House Forrester; thus he does not serve them. So Rodrick's Lord title shouldn't mean much to him. 2) We aren't talking about a Lord vs a simple sellsword. This is the current Lord vs A- potential-Lord-Who-Should-Have-Been-Lord-To-Begin-With. Even more reason why they would most likely come to an agreement for Asher to be the one that lives. 3) I don't believe that a Lord is given the "king/president treatment". I don't feel that there is some underlying rule that one must sacrifice oneself for their Lord.In fact, many times the Lord puts himself in danger for his people. Example, Lord Forrester did not demand that Gared, a squire, defend him to the very end. He sacrificed himself because Gared, a squire, was in better shape to return home.
1- Does not matter if Asher was banished or not, if he served them or not, he was a Forrester still, also, he came back all the way for his family, it is not about Rodrik being his Lord or not, it is all about the Asher character, there was nothing to think, there was nothing to discuss, Asher only acts (I am considering the pressure and time to take that decision). People use to talk about how his family abandoned him, but it was not like that, it was not like if the whole family agreed to that, also, his father did what he thought was right, and he regreted that. I simply can not see Asher like such a crying baby about that. He was not like that, if he were pissed about it, he would not have left Essos at all. Rodrik is his brother, and that was all he needed to know.
2- Why do you think that Asher should have been Lord to begin with? Rodrik was the one who was prepared for that all his life, and is the older son. Also, Lordship does not fit Asher, Rodrik was a better Lord than him even wounded. Asher himself knew that, he knew that he was not prepared, he was afraid of screwing everything up. He never wanted to be a Lord. What misleads you here (and most people) is nothing but how good it looked to make him Lord at that moment, something that I do agree, but still can not see as the right thing to do.
3- In fact there is an underlying rule about it, since the Lord is the leader, and any good leader knows that he can not do such a thing. In Gregor's case he knew he was too hurt to keep going, also, he knew that asking Gared for protection would only have them both killed.
1) Okay, but you are not taking into consideration Rodrick's personality. Would Rodrick allow Asher to sacrifice himself knowing a) his own physical condition b) how much Asher's fighting style is needed c) how important the battle was d) how House Forrester was already way over their heads? Lord or not, Asher was far more needed than Rodrick.
2) Rodrick was trained for the same reason Prince William is being trained to be king; he is the oldest. Under normal circumstances, Prince Harry and Asher would never take over because once the Lord in training produce an heir, the child becomes next in line(not the brother). Neither Ryon nor Ethan were trained as well.
However, in this case, Asher would have been Lord had he been present at home. When Lord Forrester fell and Rodrick was presumed dead, Asher not Ethan would have been declared Lord
3) So why is a Lord present at battle???
1- I think that we will have to agree to desagree on this one. You really have some good points, as I stated before, one can easily assume that Asher is the "logical choice", I do realize that Rodrik would have considered all this points, but my main point here is that one of the bales of being a leader is not being ever alowed to sacrifice yourself like that, even if it is for someone you love. You are confused about how good of a choice letting Asher rule appears to be and the choice itself. Yes, these are two different things. I do consider Rodrik's personality, he is cold, he is a true leader, he is intelligent, he is a warrior, the way I see him, even being sad about it, he would have taken matters into his hands, would have taken responsibility, and finally, would have let Asher do the sacrifice. There is something even more important, lets suppose that Rodrik would not let Asher do it. Asher simply would not leave, Rodrik would realize that both would have ended up dying, and with no condition of doing anything about his stubborn brother, would be forced to leave either way.
2- Now I understand what you meant when you said that Asher "should have been Lord to begin with". I understand how the line of succession works, still, I can not see that as a primordial factor to save Asher rather than Rodrik, also, I think that despite the advantages of saving Asher, this is a more personal decision, as I stated above, Asher simply would not have run while his brother died.
3- A Lord must be a good warrior as any (the best, if he can). He must give his men the example, he must risk his life for their cause as well (risk, not give it up if he is not entirely sure that the house will prevail) he must command his house in and out of the battlefield. Always on the front, always the first to swing the sword, but not reckless, not naive, if he must sacrifice some men for the greater good of the house then he sacrifices them. I think that answering this to you can also show you some qualities that in my opinion Rodrik has while Asher lacks as a leader. Which is also the reason that make me think that Rodrik was more needed than Asher.
There are certainly pros and cons to both, a reason why I have two save files that are identical up until the Asher/Rodrik choice because I knew I still needed an Asher playthrough after saving Rodrik in my main file.
Reasons to Save Rodrik:
Reasons to Save Asher:
Then there is just a preference for their characters. I chose Rodrik as my main file because I preferred him and for the reasons above, I felt is storyline was not yet finished.
That was the main reason for me. Going there to save Asher and then Rodrick just being like "welp, byeeeee" would just not make sense. Even without that context, it seemed out of character for Rodrick to let Asher stay behind. In general, the whole game feels like it's building up to bring Asher home. It felt like Rodrick, Ethan, and Mira were all just trying keeping the family afloat so that Asher could come in and kick ass. Rodrik's story seems purposeful no matter who you choose; everything he did was for his family in the present. But if you don't save Asher, almost everything Asher did would seem like it lead to a dead end (pun intended), save for Beskha being in Westeros now, I guess.
"Let me save your life, and our house"
Why?
Clearly the little brother that came to save his family and risked it already in the cave with Drogon, in the Mereen liberation, then with Bloodsong, after being exiled and in peril for four goddamn years in Essos needs to live. Did he actually come to save his older brother that came himself to save Asher? Saling to Westeros to die?
My Rodrik said "Prepare the horses. We're going to defend my brother". And he did. ;(
I did have a walkthru with Rodrik. Felt like a bastard for leaving my little brother die. So no. Asher lives. And Rodrik... Poor Rodrik. Rodrik the Savior. The savior that could save his little brother. I did so even though I prefer Rodrik. He fits me better. A no nonsense fighting Lord. Grim and imposing to face. Also if you let Asher die, Gryff mutilates his body. Unless you want to feel bad for the rest of the week, avoid letting him behind. Nuff said
1) True, I agree. However, isn't another important position of a leader is to map out the best strategy for victory?? Again, this is not Rodrick vs some sellsword. Asher is possibly the best fighter they had. Not to mention the length they took to gain is services. Why would a wounded leader sacrifice his best warrior (and possibly the entire battle) for himself???
2) Neither would Rodrick. Especially knowing his own condition and understanding Asher's worth. And lets not even get into what seems logical from a writer's standpoint.
3) I don't believe anyone can dispute the fact that Rodrick is the "better" Lord. The problem is, House Forrester did not need a Lord at this time. They needed a killer. A ruthless warrior with a name. Asher Forrester was that guy. That is one of the reasons why they sent for him. I doubt the Whitehills would have even attempted to pull the same stunts they pulled on Rodrick with Asher. And giving what happens in the end, having a ruthless Asher, a vengeful Talia, and a cunning Mira works best for house Forrester.No place for Rodrick.
I disagree with R6 and R7.... House Forrester does not need a Lord at this moment, they need a warrior. Rodrick was failing his house. As a matter of his physical shape? This story does not take place over a few days, but weeks/months. He was by no way at the physical level a fighter should be
From a writer's glance; Rodrick's story is closed. The character completed everything he sat out to do. Asher, however, has not.
The Lord/Warrior thing I think is a matter of personal opinion. Warriors don't always make great leaders, leaders don't always make great warriors. In the end it turned out nearly the same for them both, so it didn't much matter. Rodrik failed his house just as much as Asher, in that way.
The fact the story takes place over weeks/months helps Rodrik's case in this sense? It gave him enough time to recover from most of his physical disability. He's not as strong as he could be but he can still fight at a level rivaling Asher.
From a writer's glance, I find it's the opposite. Asher's only established goal at that point was to find an army, and that story was closed. Rodrik had much more left to do to deal with the Whitehills, a goal for him from the beginning of his story. The goal to protect Asher only came about in the last half of that episode.
1- Appearances can be deceiving. Everything depends on the point of view. For instance, to me, Rodrik is more needed than Asher. Also, a leader can not give his life over supposition. Even very helpful Asher was not a "must choose". Remember, you do not sacrifice a King for a Queen, even though it appears t be good, believe me, it is not.
2- Neither would YOUR Rodrik. There is certainly no more to add on this point, since I really do not care about how Rodrik would thought that having Asher as a Lord would be an advantage, as I said before, the benefits of a choice and the choice itself are two different things.
3- Wow, take it easy, first of all, what "works better for house Forrester" depends on who is playing, TTG gave us characters, and we are responsible for creating some parts of them ourselves. I must houever attend to two points here: First, I agree that Asher is a killer rather than Rodrik, but Rodrik is also a warrior, a good one, even damaged (Asher was also hurt, even if less than Rodrik). Second, a house always, I said ALWAYS, need a Lord. So why not someone intelligent and cold who can lead and fight rather than the hot-headed? There is something that I want you to know, I prefer Asher over Rodrik, but if Asher did not sacrificed himself for his brother, to me, he is simply not Asher, that is way I have him stayed behind. People use to say that Asher had more to live for, I not only disagree with that, as I also think that, it was more like a question about having more what to die for.
I wouldn't call that Asher's story or his personal goal. Asher's overall story is a story of redemption. He was born in a noble family, but he lives like a savage. To people of importance, the name Asher Forrester is a joke. People fear him, but they don't respect him. He needs to proves himself worthy of the Forrester name. He needs to prove himself to his family as well. That's why his story is not over because he has not completed all of his task(at least to achieve the classic Hollywood type of ending)
What exactly is Rodrick's story??
Son trained to become Lord? Completed
Protected House Forrester until an army arrives? Completed
Bring the Glenmores and Forresters together? Some what completed
Bring Asher back? Completed
Secure victory over the Whitehills? Fails regardless
Maybe I've missed it, but outside of those things, what is Rodrick's purpose??? What is his overall story??? Gared has one, Mira has one and Asher has one.
Well, yeah, in the end both "failed". However, up until that point, Asher was not given a chance. Not to mention, Rodrick allowed things to get as bad as it did. If Asher was there(with all his recklessness), I doubt things would have got that far. Hell, I doubt Snow could even test Asher the way he tested Rodrick and the rest the Forresters.
But he didn't recover. All 6 episodes, he looked weak
Asher was never considered a joke except to maybe the Whitehills, but Rodrik was considered a joke too. If anything the Whitehills respected Asher more than Rodrik in his ending. While redemption is something he can earn, that can be earned through either being lord or dying to protect the lord. But redemption itself wasn't much at the forefront of his story as much as getting an army for the Forresters.
Rodrik's story is that of a man who had everything - his physical ability, guidance of his lord father, and backing of the Starks - and now has to rely on his mental strength as he recovers from physical disability, the death of his lord father and brother, and the taunts of the Bolton-backed Whitehills. His whole story is based on preserverance and rising above his situation for a player-determined reason, whether that means peace or revenge. It's to make calculated decisions to hold the Forrester house together while in an inferior position. You can argue that one of those decisions is to sacrifice himself for Asher, in which case I suppose that would complete his goal. But Rodrick definitely has a story, even if it is muddled with so many characters influencing it.
Asher goal is to aid in that effort and bring an army, and it had been his main goal since Episode 2. He learns to prioritize who he believes to be family, whether that's Rodrick or Malcolm or Beskha. He personally seemed cared more for the acceptance from his family than full-on redemption, though redemption is what he can have now. Even if you see that as Asher's goal, that wasn't what Asher sought as his goal.
Well, Asher didn't have to deal with a crippling disabilty with nothing but a weak army. If Asher were exactly in Rodrik shoes as far as physical stength and house army goes, I don't think he could have done much better either. Even if Rodrik wanted to retaliate, it's not like they had the manpower to do that. He had enough to fight against Gryff's men with the Glenmores, but it's not like he can fight House Bolton with them when Ramsay arrived. That's was why they needed Asher to be a warrior and rally an army. Rodrik was still the Lord they needed to lead whatever little they had.
Just because Rodrik "looked weak" (which at that point was only shown through the scars on his face), doesn't mean he still was. I'm sure he still has scars but if he can match Asher in fighting what difference does it make? Now that they're both severely injured in their endings I imagine it puts them on an even level physically.
1) Again, a Lord is not viewed as a King or Queen(hence why they are placed in battle and in dangerous settings). Lord is viewed more like a Captain of a ship. They are both important but not above doing the hard and dangerous stuff.
2) So, you're saying YOUR Rodrick would have not only let his younger more healthier brother die, but also risk losing the battle?
3) Rodrick is a good fighter, but their is a differences in the type of styles. Rodrick was mostly taught through training. Asher learned through experience. When your army is outnumbered, you need someone like Asher more so than someone like Rodrick.
In no way shape or form am I saying Asher would make the better Lord. I'm just saying that what they needed at that time was a warrior more than a Lord. Asher being a heir to the Lordship was just sweeten the deal for selecting him.
I don't think it's about doing "better" but doing it differently. Rodrick did things the right way, Asher would have done things the easy way. When it comes to battle, Asher is much smarter. Asher probably would have taken Lady Forrester up on the offer to kill them all in their sleep.
Asher is injured, but I doubt he is in the shape Rodrick was in
1- The king is not above it either. Also, I never mentioned that a Lord should not risk himself. What I meant was, a good leader does not sacrifice himself like that, I mean, I can see why you see advantage on keeping Asher, I can see that too, but in my conception, Asher was too stubborn to leave while Rodrik is a true leader and know what must be done on that kind of situation. So things just make sense.
2- Since that the way I see it Rodrik was more needed and would not be risking the battle, yes, he would. My Rodrik is a leader, not a poethic hero. As I see it, he did what he should, not saying that was easy for him, but if his house needed him (as the Lord he already is) more than Asher. Yes, he would sacrifice his brother on that extreme situation. That is why I think that Asher would never fit for the job, he would give his life for anyone without hesitate. A leader can not be like that, to me, Rodrik is ice and Asher is fire. That is the biggest difference between them.
3- I agree that given Rodrik's physical conditions at the time, Asher was a better warrior, even more needed on that aspect. I think that you underestimate the need for a Lord like Rodrik though. In fact, I realize that even our conceptions about Lordship are way too different. Having Asher you may more likely win the war, so what after that? I do not know, even not fighting like Asher, Rodrik still can do the job, I mean, that is the whole thing about the character, he is Rodrik The Unbreakable. In the end, that is a really personal matter, to you, Asher is more needed, to me, Rodrik is the one. He is a more capable leader than Asher as a whole. He also fights on Asher's level (when not injured).
So in other words, Rodrick does not have his own personal story??? Outside of his current situation(feud with Whitehills) he has nothing going on story-wise???
1) But is it really uncommon for a leader to sacrifice himself??? Especially if it was for someone who has a better shot at carrying out the mission.
2) The house needed Asher, not him. Rodrick was in way over his head. The house had him and he was of no use. As stated before, they didn't need a Lord, they needed a warrior. A Lord must have morals and do things by the books. They needed someone that would bend the rules a bit.
3) As I said, Rodrick would make a better Lord than Asher. So I agree with that theory of what would happened after the war was won. However, they could not afford to think about that. The war is their biggest concern. If they lose the war, there would be no house to run. There would be no need for a Lord. Asher's importance was greater AT THAT TIME.
And I disagree. I do not believe that Rodrick is on Asher's level when it comes to battle. Not even on his best days. Asher is ruthless and pretty much fights for a living. Rodrick is just technically trained. Pretty sure he does not have that much experience
How did you get that from what I said? I just said he had a story, which was keeping the Forrester House together during the fued with the Whitehills while also overcoming his personal injuries. His story is the main story. Everybody else's story revolves around helping him.
1- That is the whole point, Asher does not have necessarily a better shot at carrying anything. He is a warrior, and so is Rodrik, but he is not a leader, Rodrik on the other hand is. You say that Asher fighting style is more needed, but we are not talking about killing ruthlessly only by itself, we are at war, Rodrik has been down that hole before, if he can fight well enough and is ALSO a better battle commander than Asher. I do not see why not choosing him. My main point though, is the essence of these characters, Asher simply would not leave, and Rodrik would be capable of letting him sacrifice himself, if both stay the house is doomed after all.
2- A Lord only have to follow one book mate: The house sake. I would have done anything to secure the house safety. Asher is only one man, being a better fighter (at that moment) will never make me give a true Lord like Rodrik for him. I am sure that he would not have want that neither. You say the house did not need a Lord, that they need a warrior, well, Rodrik is both, you underestimates him due to his injueries.
3- Rodrik has experienced war before, he survived war, thinking that Asher is the solution only because he fights ruthlessly is a illusion. He is not fit to command an army, this is not even his type of fight. You are taking into consideration only ONE man over the whole picture of things. The way I see it if they are not tied as fighters then Rodrik would win. (both at their best of course) But that is only a matter of opinion, it seems that in your opinion any fighter from Essos would win over any Westerosi. One more thing, being Lord, sometimes, is no different from being a warrior. Rodrik could do both just fine, can not say the same about Asher though.
That's THE story for the game. Beyond the scope of the game, what is HIS purpose???
Well, that's up for you to define. Either he's the lord who holds his house together, until passing the mantle over to his brother. (Purpose ends).
Or he's the unbreakable lord of the house, who's destiny it is to bring about the ruin and destruction of House Whitehill. (Purpose continues).
Either way, ruling House Forrester is his purpose (and an important, if not the most important one) just like Asher's purpose is finding an army, Gared's purpose is finding the North Grove, and Mira's purpose is to gather coin, and conduct diplomacy for her family in King's Landing.
Asher has nothing to prove to anyone nor seek any redemtion. In my walkthrough, he will avenge me.
That's exactly what I though, exactly how I felt, and exactly what I did.
1) Once again, you are leaving out Rodrick's personality as well. I doubt he would have left Asher knowing how weak he was and how badly they needed Asher, They didn't sail the seas and wait on Asher for nothing. They needed him. Probably more so than Rodrick. As said before, had Asher been there, I doubt the situation would have made it this far.
2) No, I undervalue him due to his failure to actually lead. In fact, I think you all overestimate his leadership skills. Where/When did Rodrick display his great leadership??? He may have been trained to become Lord, but outside the events of the game, Rodrick has NEVER acted as Lord. From what I've seen, he wasn't that good. What makes yall think he is so great??? He could barely put together an army over the course of some months. Mira and Asher brought more to the table. And even Gared showed better leadership skills carrying his small group to the Grove.What is so great about Rodrick???
3) Wait....what??? Asher lead the pit fighters. Whom are which, are MUCH stronger fighters than the army Rodrick "lead". And you are delusional if you think Rodrick is on Asher's level. Asher fights for a living. He has the heart of a fighter. Rodrick is just a simple trained fighter.
1- I DO consider Rodrik's personality, again, I have to say that my Rodrik is different from yours, also, I have to point out that they were expecting the army that Asher was supposed to bring. And once more, I have to tell you again that in my opinion Rodrik is more needed. I will not enter the discussion about "what if Asher had been there..." since it is hard to say, they are way different (Asher and Rodrik), Asher being more reckless. I do not think that my Rodrik failed the house, he did what he could, the best way he could, I am pretty sure that he will kick ass in Season Two as well.
2- If you really played as Rodrik from episode two to five (in your case) and could not see what is so great about him, I guess I could never make you understand.
3- Rodrik was at War, so, yeah, I know what you mean with "fight for a living" but, yeah, no, they both have prove themselves on the battlefield. Look mate, who is a better fighter is subjective, to me it is Rodrik, for you it is Asher, ok. Now to answer you, leading men into sacking and killing ruthlessly with no real army confrontation does not make Asher a proper battle commander for the War in Episode Six. Asher can inspire more than Rodrik, he was also more physically fit for the fight. But Rodrik is a better leader and strategist. In the end, it always depends on how we see these facts.