Of course the blame is telltale since they made it but speaking from the characters. I blame clementine. I went off season one because having lee bit was so stupid and didn't make sense. Lee had overcame and walker cop, escaped and climbed over a fence with a bad leg from walkers, closed a door with multiple walkers pushing it. Running away from bandits, cannibals. A siege of Crawford, and the thing that gets him is a walker hiding behind a bin.
Terrible.
The more and more I think about it, the more mad I get. Why the Fuck did telltale kill Lee like this? As the OP stated they made Lee this … moreintelligent, careful person into a absolute idiot to build up the Finale and to make way for Clementine to be PC in the next season. So no, it's not Clementine fault. Still love S1 one though.
I did agree that kenny and the others taking the supplies, started it. But if you choose not to, the stranger will still come after you for how you "treated" clementine In his eyes.
ive never watched the TV series.
if I was in the ZA, I'd have hope, and I would like to find them, and if the stranger claimed he had my parents. I'd tell the group first instead of not telling anyone and going outside to meet someone I've never met before.
Is Clementine at fault, yes she does bare responsibility for what happened, though I wouldn't say she was entirely at fault.
Remember Ken… moreny and the others took the food out of the station wagon, which caused that man's family to die. So they in essence started the ball rolling.
Plus you have to remember that Clementine's character is a nine year old kid. And like any young child, she would want to find her parents. Can you imagine Carl not wanting to find Rick and Lori?
Imagine if you got separated from your parents in a disaster scenario? Wouldn't you do anything to find them? And don't you think they'd do anything to find you?
I feel season one had to end with lee dying, but the manner in how he died was poorly done.
I would've preferred clementine to be with kenny which at the end of my game. She did.
You eat healthy, get all your shots, don't do drugs, exercise everyday, take self defence classes, get a degree, regularly visit the doctor and the dentist, then one day as you're walking around town you get hit by a drunk driver in his truck and die instantly. You can work hard all your life, you can succeed all your life, but it only takes a single moment going wrong for you to die.
Of course the blame is telltale since they made it but speaking from the characters. I blame clementine. I went off season one because havin… moreg lee bit was so stupid and didn't make sense. Lee had overcame and walker cop, escaped and climbed over a fence with a bad leg from walkers, closed a door with multiple walkers pushing it. Running away from bandits, cannibals. A siege of Crawford, and the thing that gets him is a walker hiding behind a bin.
Terrible.
That type of scenario happens a lot in slasher movies, my point was that lee would never of been that careless earlier in the season. We all know that had to make it happen to set the ending up.
True.
If I was gonna say the truck driver thing, it be like me saying that Lee was always cautious of that stuff, then one occasion, he decides not to be cautious.
But that's how life works isn't it?
You eat healthy, get all your shots, don't do drugs, exercise everyday, take self defence classes, ge… moret a degree, regularly visit the doctor and the dentist, then one day as you're walking around town you get hit by a drunk driver in his truck and die instantly. You can work hard all your life, you can succeed all your life, but it only takes a single moment going wrong for you to die.
clementine is the one to blame, nobody else, she was selfish, negligent and very stupid, i mean seriously, my parents always taught me since a was a child not to speak with strangers and i taught my little sister the same and she never disobeyed. Lee told clementine and she disobeyed, didnt she had parents before the ZA?? didnt they taught her never to speak with strangers?? only a retard like clementine would believe that the stranger had her parents, she could've told the stranger to put his parents on the walkie to speak and check if he was telling the truth, the guy tricked her without any proof and apparently any effort. Puff.... i have a 4 year old nephew smarter than clementine and even he knows that he must not speak with strangers.
Your nephew hasn't been in a position where he finds himself in the middle of an apocalypse, being taken care of by a group of strangers, while a separate stranger that makes him feel good tells him that he has found his parents, over the same walkie-talkie that your nephew clings onto, has he?
I sincerely doubt it. Context is immensely important in cases like this. Where, you know, it is the zombie apocalypse as compared to civilization where we have internet.
clementine is the one to blame, nobody else, she was selfish, negligent and very stupid, i mean seriously, my parents always taught me since… more a was a child not to speak with strangers and i taught my little sister the same and she never disobeyed. Lee told clementine and she disobeyed, didnt she had parents before the ZA?? didnt they taught her never to speak with strangers?? only a retard like clementine would believe that the stranger had her parents, she could've told the stranger to put his parents on the walkie to speak and check if he was telling the truth, the guy tricked her without any proof and apparently any effort. Puff.... i have a 4 year old nephew smarter than clementine and even he knows that he must not speak with strangers.
To comment on your 3rd point, you have to remember that at this stage, Clementine was still naive about certain things, which includedthe dangers of the world. And by the 2nd Season, she had transformed into a little girl who had already seen to much.
But back to my point, I can see a girl her age and in her situation doing what she did out of pure desperation.
I mean think about it, though she had traveled and experienced a lot with Lee, her parents were still a big part of her world. And a world without them was still unimaginable.
Looking for her parents is one of the reasons why she went with Lee in the first place. That and she had nowhere else to go.
And aside from Lee, the hope of finding her parents kept her going. It gave her purpose.
* I did agree that kenny and the others taking the supplies, started it. But if you choose not to, the stranger will still come after you fo… morer how you "treated" clementine In his eyes.
* ive never watched the TV series.
* if I was in the ZA, I'd have hope, and I would like to find them, and if the stranger claimed he had my parents. I'd tell the group first instead of not telling anyone and going outside to meet someone I've never met before.
Your nephew hasn't been in a position where he finds himself in the middle of an apocalypse, being taken care of by a group of strangers, wh… moreile a separate stranger that makes him feel good tells him that he has found his parents, over the same walkie-talkie that your nephew clings onto, has he?
I sincerely doubt it. Context is immensely important in cases like this. Where, you know, it is the zombie apocalypse as compared to civilization where we have internet.
I have to disagree. While Clementine going missing is the catalyst for Lee getting bitten, Clementine isn't directly responsible. Bad writing is what killed Lee. Lee putting his guard down when a zombie can attack at any moment, that's on Lee. Lee needs to find the kid, but first and foremost, he needs to stay alive and his poor judgment call was his demise.
Poor writing yes, but you have to look at what caused it. Clementine leaving the house, if she didn't do that, lee wouldn't of been written to do such a stupid thing.
I have to disagree. While Clementine going missing is the catalyst for Lee getting bitten, Clementine isn't directly responsible. Bad writin… moreg is what killed Lee. Lee putting his guard down when a zombie can attack at any moment, that's on Lee. Lee needs to find the kid, but first and foremost, he needs to stay alive and his poor judgment call was his demise.
He could've still been on his guard while looking for Clementine. I think Lee is responsible for what happened to him. Getting bit like that could've happened at any moment. I think it'still a stretch to blame Clem completely.
Poor writing yes, but you have to look at what caused it. Clementine leaving the house, if she didn't do that, lee wouldn't of been written to do such a stupid thing.
The age should not be relevant. Like chuck said, if you're in a ZA, age can't be a excuse.
Lee helped clementine as best he could. I'm not saying she couldn't grieve, but if you're going to do something so dire, you should at least tell lee first. Lee would never tell her no unless he knew it was bad. And she does blame herself for it.
Well you can choose to say I don't know or be silent when you first meet her abo put her parents and she still will go with him by his comment "I won't leave you a lone" so she was naive at that stage, but by the time she got taken by the stranger, she had seen a lot of stuff and was taught properly. Sometimes when something is lost, we need to accept it. Clementine was told a harsh but true truth and her blindness caused a lot of carnage.
To comment on your 3rd point, you have to remember that at this stage, Clementine was still naive about certain things, which includedthe da… morengers of the world. And by the 2nd Season, she had transformed into a little girl who had already seen to much.
But back to my point, I can see a girl her age and in her situation doing what she did out of pure desperation.
I mean think about it, though she had traveled and experienced a lot with Lee, her parents were still a big part of her world. And a world without them was still unimaginable.
Looking for her parents is one of the reasons why she went with Lee in the first place. That and she had nowhere else to go.
And aside from Lee, the hope of finding her parents kept her going. It gave her purpose.
I'm not disagreeing with you about lee. He was stupid in that situation but like I have said, why was he in that situations? Why did he come outside? Why was the walkie on the ground?
He could've still been on his guard while looking for Clementine. I think Lee is responsible for what happened to him. Getting bit like that could've happened at any moment. I think it'still a stretch to blame Clem completely.
Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Lee getting bitten was bad writing
I mean yes, he let his guard down and it came back to bite him (literally), but come on, people make mistakes, people have lapses of judgement, even in situations where they shouldn't. To assume that'd be any different, even in the middle of an apocalypse, would be ridiculous. Human nature is human nature, and part of human nature is our capacity for fucking up. One of the driving factors for Lee was Clementine. In his eyes, he felt an obligation to take care of her. And when she went missing, emotions trumped logic, like they almost always do in situations like that. He was more worried about her above all else, even his own survival, and let his guard down for a few seconds. And unfortunately, those 10 seconds or so that he let his guard down ended up costing him. And let's not act like he hasn't done things like this in the past when Clementine was in potential danger.
When Clementine gets attacked by the zombie in the bathroom in episode 1, he willingly throws himself at it trying to protect her, and nearly gets himself killed
Although non-canon, there's a death scene in episode 1 where Clementine dies, and Lee just flat-out gives up and lets himself get killed
When Andy threatens Clementine, Lee attempts to charge at him, but is stopped when Danny shoves the gun in his face
When Clementine's surrounded after Ben runs away in episode 4, Lee sprints straight towards danger in an attempt to get to her
Can determinantly threaten various people for making the slightest remarks towards Clementine; threatening to toss Chuck off the train for saying she'd die, threatening to whoop Ben's ass for abandoning her, threatening Ben again later in the episode, pinning Vernon against a wall and vaguely threatening to kill him for offering to take care of Clementine.
Hell, that even extends beyond Clementine at times. When Andy was holding Duck hostage, he charged towards Andy when he was distracted, despite the obvious dangers of doing so.
The point being, he's mindlessly charged into danger or made questionable decisions when Clementine has been threatened before, so is this really all that different?
I have to disagree. While Clementine going missing is the catalyst for Lee getting bitten, Clementine isn't directly responsible. Bad writin… moreg is what killed Lee. Lee putting his guard down when a zombie can attack at any moment, that's on Lee. Lee needs to find the kid, but first and foremost, he needs to stay alive and his poor judgment call was his demise.
That theory works if you loved the direction the game went where it made lee die, so the story could continue through clementine. I personally don't like it because lee was a much more careful intelligent man. What he did when he got bit isn't something he would do. He would make sure the area was secure before doing something stupid like reaching out for a walkie.
the difference between that at when he got bit was that he was aware of the Walker, where as when he got bit, he just threw himself into the deep end without scouting the area.
which one is that? I can't remember. And if that's so, of course, the story can't continue without clementine. I'm sure if it could. He wouldn't give up.
if you go silent, you don't actually do anything. Or does he charge him without saying anything ?
he shoots the walkers with the gun, he doesn't just run into a swarm of them with no protection
how is that reckless? Chuck wouldn't do anything, Ben would be too scared to and vernon wouldn't either unless it was a surprise like when they stole the boat, but they were always going to do that no matter what you do.
Andy either gets shot or lasered, being off balance was the perfect time to charge him. It's not like he ran at him when he was still mobile.
When you put your arm out to grab a walkie when there's a bin next to it, in a ZA, isn't that just a bit careless compared to what you mentioned ?
So that makes everything Clementine's fault? I kindly disagree with you. Honestly, I don't think anyone is to blame. Shit happens. If Clem is to blame then no one should have to take responsibility for whatever happens to them--it's always someone else's fault.
I'm not disagreeing with you about lee. He was stupid in that situation but like I have said, why was he in that situations? Why did he come outside? Why was the walkie on the ground?
Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Lee getting bitten was bad writing
I mean yes, he let his guard down and it came back to b… moreite him (literally), but come on, people make mistakes, people have lapses of judgement, even in situations where they shouldn't. To assume that'd be any different, even in the middle of an apocalypse, would be ridiculous. Human nature is human nature, and part of human nature is our capacity for fucking up. One of the driving factors for Lee was Clementine. In his eyes, he felt an obligation to take care of her. And when she went missing, emotions trumped logic, like they almost always do in situations like that. He was more worried about her above all else, even his own survival, and let his guard down for a few seconds. And unfortunately, those 10 seconds or so that he let his guard down ended up costing him. And let's not act like he hasn't done things like this in the past when Clementine was in pote… [view original content]
I thought they could've done something different. That was predictable. I would've preferred it more so he got shot by the stranger in a scuffle.
At least then it was a lot more originally then what it is.
so Lee and Kenny are strangers now?? Lee.... the guy who cared for her, protected her and saved her so many times?? and she still took her choice when she decided to leave the mansion and go with the stranger.
Your nephew hasn't been in a position where he finds himself in the middle of an apocalypse, being taken care of by a group of strangers, wh… moreile a separate stranger that makes him feel good tells him that he has found his parents, over the same walkie-talkie that your nephew clings onto, has he?
I sincerely doubt it. Context is immensely important in cases like this. Where, you know, it is the zombie apocalypse as compared to civilization where we have internet.
Honestly, even if we go the he is human and makes mistakes route, from a writing perspective it is still bad writing in that there wouldn't be a zombie sitting there in the fetal position behind that piece of cardboard. Zombies don't sit in the fetal position for hours and there is no way the zombie could have gotten behind the cardboard in the first place.
Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Lee getting bitten was bad writing
I mean yes, he let his guard down and it came back to b… moreite him (literally), but come on, people make mistakes, people have lapses of judgement, even in situations where they shouldn't. To assume that'd be any different, even in the middle of an apocalypse, would be ridiculous. Human nature is human nature, and part of human nature is our capacity for fucking up. One of the driving factors for Lee was Clementine. In his eyes, he felt an obligation to take care of her. And when she went missing, emotions trumped logic, like they almost always do in situations like that. He was more worried about her above all else, even his own survival, and let his guard down for a few seconds. And unfortunately, those 10 seconds or so that he let his guard down ended up costing him. And let's not act like he hasn't done things like this in the past when Clementine was in pote… [view original content]
i think everyone knew this, just no one wanted to look like a total d-bag blaming an 8/9 year old girl who accidently is responsible for someone's death.
Lee and Kenny were strangers at some point, too. That is what I'm saying.
You partially evaded my comment—the part where I talk about the reasons why Clementine could've decided to leave with the stranger. Please take that as my reply to your newest comment.
(…) A position where [she] finds himself in the middle of an apocalypse, being taken care of by a group of strangers, while a separate stranger that makes [her] feel good tells [her] that he has found [her] parents, over the same walkie-talkie that [Clementine] clinges onto. (…)
so Lee and Kenny are strangers now?? Lee.... the guy who cared for her, protected her and saved her so many times?? and she still took her choice when she decided to leave the mansion and go with the stranger.
I think it's also her status.
She's the most popular character in the game and was built up apon being innocent and need of protection.
And that scene where lee tells her she can't look for her parents anymore and her crying, really made people feel for her. I didn't feel anything personally because it was the right thing to do. But you are right too in the sense of age. I mean, look when Ben deserts her in episode 4 at the start, all the people thought he was an asshole, yet clementine is the main source of lee getting bit, and people hardly care.
i think everyone knew this, just no one wanted to look like a total d-bag blaming an 8/9 year old girl who accidently is responsible for someone's death.
I was thinking about this recently and looked it up to see if anyone else had thought the same, sure enough 4.3k people had.
Yes it's her fault and Lee didn't deserve to die, she should've trusted the man that had saved her and kept her safe for all the time they were together, but its also that sack of s*** kidnappers fault for manipulating an innocent Clementine. She could not have possibly known better. Do I still think that Lee could be alive? yeah nah, I hope in my heart but know in my head, I know its stupid and I know you've heard it before, but what if she missed or Lee is immune, haha I should keep on dreaming...
I was thinking about this recently and looked it up to see if anyone else had thought the same, sure enough 4.3k people had.
Yes it's her… more fault and Lee didn't deserve to die, she should've trusted the man that had saved her and kept her safe for all the time they were together, but its also that sack of s*** kidnappers fault for manipulating an innocent Clementine. She could not have possibly known better. Do I still think that Lee could be alive? yeah nah, I hope in my heart but know in my head, I know its stupid and I know you've heard it before, but what if she missed or Lee is immune, haha I should keep on dreaming...
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Of course the blame is telltale since they made it but speaking from the characters. I blame clementine. I went off season one because having lee bit was so stupid and didn't make sense. Lee had overcame and walker cop, escaped and climbed over a fence with a bad leg from walkers, closed a door with multiple walkers pushing it. Running away from bandits, cannibals. A siege of Crawford, and the thing that gets him is a walker hiding behind a bin.
Terrible.
It's a classic way to go in The Walking dead. You don't get enough time to say goodbye. It's sudden.
To each his own tho
But that's how life works isn't it?
You eat healthy, get all your shots, don't do drugs, exercise everyday, take self defence classes, get a degree, regularly visit the doctor and the dentist, then one day as you're walking around town you get hit by a drunk driver in his truck and die instantly. You can work hard all your life, you can succeed all your life, but it only takes a single moment going wrong for you to die.
That type of scenario happens a lot in slasher movies, my point was that lee would never of been that careless earlier in the season. We all know that had to make it happen to set the ending up.
True.
If I was gonna say the truck driver thing, it be like me saying that Lee was always cautious of that stuff, then one occasion, he decides not to be cautious.
clementine is the one to blame, nobody else, she was selfish, negligent and very stupid, i mean seriously, my parents always taught me since a was a child not to speak with strangers and i taught my little sister the same and she never disobeyed. Lee told clementine and she disobeyed, didnt she had parents before the ZA?? didnt they taught her never to speak with strangers?? only a retard like clementine would believe that the stranger had her parents, she could've told the stranger to put his parents on the walkie to speak and check if he was telling the truth, the guy tricked her without any proof and apparently any effort. Puff.... i have a 4 year old nephew smarter than clementine and even he knows that he must not speak with strangers.
Your nephew hasn't been in a position where he finds himself in the middle of an apocalypse, being taken care of by a group of strangers, while a separate stranger that makes him feel good tells him that he has found his parents, over the same walkie-talkie that your nephew clings onto, has he?
I sincerely doubt it. Context is immensely important in cases like this. Where, you know, it is the zombie apocalypse as compared to civilization where we have internet.
To comment on your 3rd point, you have to remember that at this stage, Clementine was still naive about certain things, which includedthe dangers of the world. And by the 2nd Season, she had transformed into a little girl who had already seen to much.
But back to my point, I can see a girl her age and in her situation doing what she did out of pure desperation.
I mean think about it, though she had traveled and experienced a lot with Lee, her parents were still a big part of her world. And a world without them was still unimaginable.
Looking for her parents is one of the reasons why she went with Lee in the first place. That and she had nowhere else to go.
And aside from Lee, the hope of finding her parents kept her going. It gave her purpose.
The users on this forum are experts on exactly what would happen during the zombie apocalypse and whether or not something a child does is realistic.
I have to disagree. While Clementine going missing is the catalyst for Lee getting bitten, Clementine isn't directly responsible. Bad writing is what killed Lee. Lee putting his guard down when a zombie can attack at any moment, that's on Lee. Lee needs to find the kid, but first and foremost, he needs to stay alive and his poor judgment call was his demise.
Poor writing yes, but you have to look at what caused it. Clementine leaving the house, if she didn't do that, lee wouldn't of been written to do such a stupid thing.
He could've still been on his guard while looking for Clementine. I think Lee is responsible for what happened to him. Getting bit like that could've happened at any moment. I think it'still a stretch to blame Clem completely.
The age should not be relevant. Like chuck said, if you're in a ZA, age can't be a excuse.
Lee helped clementine as best he could. I'm not saying she couldn't grieve, but if you're going to do something so dire, you should at least tell lee first. Lee would never tell her no unless he knew it was bad. And she does blame herself for it.
Well you can choose to say I don't know or be silent when you first meet her abo put her parents and she still will go with him by his comment "I won't leave you a lone" so she was naive at that stage, but by the time she got taken by the stranger, she had seen a lot of stuff and was taught properly. Sometimes when something is lost, we need to accept it. Clementine was told a harsh but true truth and her blindness caused a lot of carnage.
I'm not disagreeing with you about lee. He was stupid in that situation but like I have said, why was he in that situations? Why did he come outside? Why was the walkie on the ground?
Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Lee getting bitten was bad writing
I mean yes, he let his guard down and it came back to bite him (literally), but come on, people make mistakes, people have lapses of judgement, even in situations where they shouldn't. To assume that'd be any different, even in the middle of an apocalypse, would be ridiculous. Human nature is human nature, and part of human nature is our capacity for fucking up. One of the driving factors for Lee was Clementine. In his eyes, he felt an obligation to take care of her. And when she went missing, emotions trumped logic, like they almost always do in situations like that. He was more worried about her above all else, even his own survival, and let his guard down for a few seconds. And unfortunately, those 10 seconds or so that he let his guard down ended up costing him. And let's not act like he hasn't done things like this in the past when Clementine was in potential danger.
When Clementine gets attacked by the zombie in the bathroom in episode 1, he willingly throws himself at it trying to protect her, and nearly gets himself killed
Although non-canon, there's a death scene in episode 1 where Clementine dies, and Lee just flat-out gives up and lets himself get killed
When Andy threatens Clementine, Lee attempts to charge at him, but is stopped when Danny shoves the gun in his face
When Clementine's surrounded after Ben runs away in episode 4, Lee sprints straight towards danger in an attempt to get to her
Can determinantly threaten various people for making the slightest remarks towards Clementine; threatening to toss Chuck off the train for saying she'd die, threatening to whoop Ben's ass for abandoning her, threatening Ben again later in the episode, pinning Vernon against a wall and vaguely threatening to kill him for offering to take care of Clementine.
Hell, that even extends beyond Clementine at times. When Andy was holding Duck hostage, he charged towards Andy when he was distracted, despite the obvious dangers of doing so.
The point being, he's mindlessly charged into danger or made questionable decisions when Clementine has been threatened before, so is this really all that different?
That theory works if you loved the direction the game went where it made lee die, so the story could continue through clementine. I personally don't like it because lee was a much more careful intelligent man. What he did when he got bit isn't something he would do. He would make sure the area was secure before doing something stupid like reaching out for a walkie.
Andy either gets shot or lasered, being off balance was the perfect time to charge him. It's not like he ran at him when he was still mobile.
When you put your arm out to grab a walkie when there's a bin next to it, in a ZA, isn't that just a bit careless compared to what you mentioned ?
So that makes everything Clementine's fault? I kindly disagree with you. Honestly, I don't think anyone is to blame. Shit happens. If Clem is to blame then no one should have to take responsibility for whatever happens to them--it's always someone else's fault.
I don't necessarily think Lee getting bit was bad writing. I think they way it happened was bad writing.
I thought they could've done something different. That was predictable. I would've preferred it more so he got shot by the stranger in a scuffle.
At least then it was a lot more originally then what it is.
so Lee and Kenny are strangers now?? Lee.... the guy who cared for her, protected her and saved her so many times?? and she still took her choice when she decided to leave the mansion and go with the stranger.
Honestly, even if we go the he is human and makes mistakes route, from a writing perspective it is still bad writing in that there wouldn't be a zombie sitting there in the fetal position behind that piece of cardboard. Zombies don't sit in the fetal position for hours and there is no way the zombie could have gotten behind the cardboard in the first place.
i think everyone knew this, just no one wanted to look like a total d-bag blaming an 8/9 year old girl who accidently is responsible for someone's death.
Lee and Kenny were strangers at some point, too. That is what I'm saying.
You partially evaded my comment—the part where I talk about the reasons why Clementine could've decided to leave with the stranger. Please take that as my reply to your newest comment.
I think it's also her status.
She's the most popular character in the game and was built up apon being innocent and need of protection.
And that scene where lee tells her she can't look for her parents anymore and her crying, really made people feel for her. I didn't feel anything personally because it was the right thing to do. But you are right too in the sense of age. I mean, look when Ben deserts her in episode 4 at the start, all the people thought he was an asshole, yet clementine is the main source of lee getting bit, and people hardly care.
I was thinking about this recently and looked it up to see if anyone else had thought the same, sure enough 4.3k people had.
Yes it's her fault and Lee didn't deserve to die, she should've trusted the man that had saved her and kept her safe for all the time they were together, but its also that sack of s*** kidnappers fault for manipulating an innocent Clementine. She could not have possibly known better. Do I still think that Lee could be alive? yeah nah, I hope in my heart but know in my head, I know its stupid and I know you've heard it before, but what if she missed or Lee is immune, haha I should keep on dreaming...
Agreed, it was her fault.
It was Clem's fault.
But Lee could have died anyway, bitten somewhere else.
It's the fucking zombie apocalypse where people get bitten daily.