Explain it away how ever you want, I don't really care, your opinion on this matter is garbage. And hope that outside of this game, you understand that the only thing that truly matters in this world is life and how precious it is, especially the young lives.
Looks like that's on me because I see no problem. I only see people offering their opinions on a debatable topic, which for me, is perfectly… more normal and certainty not out of ordinary. If you a disagree with someone, that's fine, but to say that a lot of people have a 'severe disconnect' because you can't figure out that not everyone has the same view on AJ as you, is a bit condescending.
Are we going in circles here?
Yes I would kill the baby. AJ would die by my hands. I would shoot him in the head.
Jesus it's not hard to understand. Already said I'm selfish. And cowards survive the longest in the ZA.
Ask Morgan
He's admitted he's morally deficient. I think we can leave it at that and consider it a win.
It's the loud, morally deficient vocal minority here that wants to leave a baby to die.
Yes he is fictional we are all aware of this. But even so such games do teach about philosophical and moral situations and implications of them. There is a moral behind it, that is the point your failing to realize.
It shows that we know when and where reality disconnects.
AJ can be a baby to you guys all you want.. But he's always just been an idea.
The ones trying to humanize the fictional character are closer to crazy then anyone else is.
Explain it away how ever you want, I don't really care, your opinion on this matter is garbage. And hope that outside of this game, you unde… morerstand that the only thing that truly matters in this world is life and how precious it is, especially the young lives.
TWD isn't nihilistic. It has a very clear morally objective message. You're basically the governor and/or Negan if you're for leaving or killing a baby.
TWD isn't nihilistic. It has a very clear morally objective message. You're basically the governor and/or Negan if you're for leaving or killing a baby.
Well he may or may not have killed thoe people by the lake and it looks likely considering he was camped not far from there and poor reggie who did nothing to him
He has no character. He's a blank slate. So there is nothing about him to dislike other than the fact that finding food for him could be difficult or walkers might be drawn when he cries. Yea, that would suck, but it's not a matter of not liking him. What you're saying is you're okay with leaving or killing a BABY. If it was simply someone you didn't like ie: an adult or older child, at least they would have a chance of defending themselves.
Get rid of the thread and you get rid of the truth. There's nothing wrong with this thread... Unless you have a problem disagreeing with people and seeing outlandish moral compasses.
I think it shows our true colors.
Get rid of the thread and you get rid of the truth. There's nothing wrong with this thread... Unless you have a problem disagreeing with people and seeing outlandish moral compasses.
I think it's a good thing.
Well he may or may not have killed thoe people by the lake and it looks likely considering he was camped not far from there and poor reggie who did nothing to him
Where's the hate for him coming from? People who hate him :P. Seriously though I don't like him because he's used as a plot device plot foil for forced conflict throughout the last two episodes of the second season
Where's the hate for him coming from? People who hate him :P. Seriously though I don't like him because he's used as a plot device plot foil for forced conflict throughout the last two episodes of the second season
Yes he is fictional we are all aware of this. But even so such games do teach about philosophical and moral situations and implications of them. There is a moral behind it, that is the point your failing to realize.
I suppose so but the characters themselves most of the time are interesting enough on their own they serve their purpose so well you forget they are. AJ doesn't he has no character as he's just a child and the later plot revolves around him unexpectedly
Well he may or may not have killed thoe people by the lake and it looks likely considering he was camped not far from there and poor reggie who did nothing to him
A newborn rarely says much. What on earth do you expect? The plot only involves him insofar as Jane using him as an instigator to get at Kenny. The plot focuses around Kenny and Jane's conflict and Clementine's reaction. Yes, Clem wants to protect the baby. Because she's not a sadist.
THe writers WANT you to want to protect AJ. That's the point! He IS a plot device insofar as you're supposed to want to protect him. Because they assume most people playing the game will be pretty well adjusted and not sadists.
Clem was that SAME plot device in TWD S1. She was the AJ of season 1.
I suppose so but the characters themselves most of the time are interesting enough on their own they serve their purpose so well you forget … morethey are. AJ doesn't he has no character as he's just a child and the later plot revolves around him unexpectedly
Fair enough, but if we're to apply this to some other forum members it would probably work, because the overwhelming part of this fandom seems to love Clementine, so in theory a large part of people disliking AJ loves Clem as well. And don't mistake Season 2's sensational writing for a common theme, all things considered very few people died in Season 1.
Well, I don't dislike Clem, but I certainty don't love her that much either. I liked her in S1, but I felt she was a bit emotionless in S2, so I couldn't bring myself to care much for her. Anyway, I agree that S2 is very sensational, but the theme of cruelty in the world is very prominent throughout both seasons, not just through death. As I said previously other things show what the world has become, such as the cannibalism, children being forced to ditch their childhood and innocence, the unavoidable reality that most people will become Walkers, etc. It not just in S2, it's seen in the entire series of the Walking Dead.
He really wasn't. I won't argue that it's likely that the writers always had that idea in the back of their heads, but he also serves other purposes. AJ's a ray of hope for all the people present. You could argue he's also a symbol of society slowly (very slowly) going back to a state that one would consider normal. After all, rebuilding society is a big theme in the series and new people like AJ are who are going to be the first in a new generation of survivors.
Is he really a ray of hope? He's being brought into a world, which is undeniably, over. I mean if TT were going to be realistic and continue with the running theme they've shown, AJ should die. I'm not saying that because I'm some viciously evil psychopath with no regard for the lives of babies, I'm saying that because I believe from a writing standpoint, it makes more sense than him surviving by being raised by an 11 year girl with either two clearly mentally unstable individuals, or on her own.
I cannot capitalise this enough, but AJ is a newborn baby. He can hardly go around spouting life wisdoms like Chuck, and he can't be useful in other ways like fighting walkers and finding supplies...yet. Ignoring the fact that he's a baby for a second, he has been in two episodes, only prominently in one. Even most adult characters don't really change the story or characters in that time, some don't at all. Give AJ time to actually grow up to be someone. Arguably he also changes Kenny, if for what better or worse is debatable. And fair enough about you not blaming AJ. Again, I gathered that this is what most people who are against AJ do.
If AJ isn't useful in the story, TT should of never created the character. I get he's a baby and he wouldn't be able to do anything physically, but that's not the point. I just really see no purpose of his creation, other than to highlight the harshness of the world theme. But they don't do that, they instead decide to just use him, so they can force a big, dramatic choice in the end to try and make up for S2's lack of choice, but in my opinion, it doesn't work and neither does AJ's so call "purpose". Also he doesn't change Kenny at all. He's just another excuse to have Kenny constantly lash out, which is seen hundreds of times throughout the season, even before AJ's birth.
I suggest you read my comment again, as I never said anything about loving Clementine, AJ's lack of purpose, or Clem leaving AJ. All I said … morewas that I'd prefer if TT killed AJ to illustrate a common theme seen throughout the game. So please, don't make assumptions.
Fair enough, but if we're to apply this to some other forum members it would probably work, because the overwhelming part of this fandom seems to love Clementine, so in theory a large part of people disliking AJ loves Clem as well. And don't mistake Season 2's sensational writing for a common theme, all things considered very few people died in Season 1.
But, he was only made just to further the whole Kenny vs Jane fight.
He really wasn't. I won't argue that it's likely that the writers always had that idea in the back of their heads, but he also serves other purposes. AJ's a ray of hope for all the people present. You could argue he's also a symbol of society… [view original content]
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Explain it away how ever you want, I don't really care, your opinion on this matter is garbage. And hope that outside of this game, you understand that the only thing that truly matters in this world is life and how precious it is, especially the young lives.
Welcome to The Walking Dead
Or better yet, the Internet
You sound a lot like carver
@zeke10 I originally said I'd kill the baby before I could put my self in a position where AJ would get eaten. End it before it begins.
But it seems like I didn't clarify that in my comments. I said I would kill him. Nothing else.
It makes it extremely invalid...morally. It's sick and you should seek help. I rest my case.
Yes he is fictional we are all aware of this. But even so such games do teach about philosophical and moral situations and implications of them. There is a moral behind it, that is the point your failing to realize.
And Carver was pretty successful.. If it wasn't for the Plot making him inconsistent and untactful in his main episode.
Morals are subjective.
I don't need to seek help.
Have a nice day
I rest my case.
Ehh he treated his people like shit wouldn't be surprised if a coup happened after a while
Lol and we need to seek help apparently @OneWayNoWay
i sometimes forget who uses these forums. From parents to lil kids.. Of course
Reminds me of Kenny...
Can't judge Carver when we barely know what happened or why it happened.
TWD isn't nihilistic. It has a very clear morally objective message. You're basically the governor and/or Negan if you're for leaving or killing a baby.
What happened doesn't justify killing innocent people
Lol Morals being subjective is a fact.
That's the only thing that can be put to rest. Because everything else is all opinion. So there's no case to be made. Only your point and my point.
Keep up the name calling tho...
I mean those here advocating harm to AJ are. Not TWD it'self.
That's what I mean.
TWD is just a story describing certain fictional events. But it has a very clear morally objective undertone to it.
Besides (forgot his name, the guy with Kenny and Sarita) Who was innocent?
How many ppl did Luke and Co. Indirectly kill when they escaped?
the walking dead is a metaphor for cancer.
Anything else is what we want it to be
This thread is going downhill real fast...
Well he may or may not have killed thoe people by the lake and it looks likely considering he was camped not far from there and poor reggie who did nothing to him
He has no character. He's a blank slate. So there is nothing about him to dislike other than the fact that finding food for him could be difficult or walkers might be drawn when he cries. Yea, that would suck, but it's not a matter of not liking him. What you're saying is you're okay with leaving or killing a BABY. If it was simply someone you didn't like ie: an adult or older child, at least they would have a chance of defending themselves.
I think it shows our true colors.
Get rid of the thread and you get rid of the truth. There's nothing wrong with this thread... Unless you have a problem disagreeing with people and seeing outlandish moral compasses.
I think it's a good thing.
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Oh the guy who was in on the attack on Christa? Those guys?
And reggie did nothing? He helped Luke and them escape causing if not one death, multiple deaths. He's lucky he even had a cameo in the episode.
Just cause he's brutish doesn't mean he wasn't justified.
Where's the hate for him coming from? People who hate him :P. Seriously though I don't like him because he's used as a plot device plot foil for forced conflict throughout the last two episodes of the second season
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Stop commenting on my posts. You don't wanna debate you just wanna attack my character.
If that's not against the forum rules I don't know what is.
You're not exactly making it any better.
Just accept that people have different morals and opinions and move on.
Every character is a plot device. This is terrible reasoning.
No I think he knows that. That's what's frightening.
No, accept that there are objective moral values, and murdering babies is clearly wrong and move on.
You're advocating baby murder. I'm attacking that. I'm fine with any warnings I get for doing that.
People are kids for saying it's fucked up you would leave a baby to die?
I suppose so but the characters themselves most of the time are interesting enough on their own they serve their purpose so well you forget they are. AJ doesn't he has no character as he's just a child and the later plot revolves around him unexpectedly
zeke, you won man. The guy is defending Carver. You won.
I prefer not to enforce my belief on other people, it's not worth my time.
A newborn rarely says much. What on earth do you expect? The plot only involves him insofar as Jane using him as an instigator to get at Kenny. The plot focuses around Kenny and Jane's conflict and Clementine's reaction. Yes, Clem wants to protect the baby. Because she's not a sadist.
THe writers WANT you to want to protect AJ. That's the point! He IS a plot device insofar as you're supposed to want to protect him. Because they assume most people playing the game will be pretty well adjusted and not sadists.
Clem was that SAME plot device in TWD S1. She was the AJ of season 1.
Well, I don't dislike Clem, but I certainty don't love her that much either. I liked her in S1, but I felt she was a bit emotionless in S2, so I couldn't bring myself to care much for her. Anyway, I agree that S2 is very sensational, but the theme of cruelty in the world is very prominent throughout both seasons, not just through death. As I said previously other things show what the world has become, such as the cannibalism, children being forced to ditch their childhood and innocence, the unavoidable reality that most people will become Walkers, etc. It not just in S2, it's seen in the entire series of the Walking Dead.
Is he really a ray of hope? He's being brought into a world, which is undeniably, over. I mean if TT were going to be realistic and continue with the running theme they've shown, AJ should die. I'm not saying that because I'm some viciously evil psychopath with no regard for the lives of babies, I'm saying that because I believe from a writing standpoint, it makes more sense than him surviving by being raised by an 11 year girl with either two clearly mentally unstable individuals, or on her own.
If AJ isn't useful in the story, TT should of never created the character. I get he's a baby and he wouldn't be able to do anything physically, but that's not the point. I just really see no purpose of his creation, other than to highlight the harshness of the world theme. But they don't do that, they instead decide to just use him, so they can force a big, dramatic choice in the end to try and make up for S2's lack of choice, but in my opinion, it doesn't work and neither does AJ's so call "purpose". Also he doesn't change Kenny at all. He's just another excuse to have Kenny constantly lash out, which is seen hundreds of times throughout the season, even before AJ's birth.