Revisiting Vernon's Status
Good day, person reading this post!
You might be wondering, why would this thread possibly make a good discussion, am I right? Especially in a time period where there only are threads related to the news on Season 3.
I want to hear your opinions on why Vernon's status should be dead or unknown, as there has recently been some debate, or arguments, in the official The Walking Dead wiki. His status is currently dead, though a fair amount of people are opposed to this, and others have said that "the folks upstairs" are the ones who get the final say in matters like this.
Without further due, here is Joyce's quote.
"The last time we did that… we lost Brie! And then Vernon with that goddamned boat!"
—Joyce about the group's past experiences when trusting strangers.
Now, this could mean a lot of things.
They lost Vernon to walkers in the same way that they lost Brie—therefore, he is dead.
They engaged in an argument with Vernon. Then they parted ways and Boyd, Joyce and Clive found Gil's Pitstop—therefore, he is unknown.
The latter attempted to force them into the boat, to with they refused. They then parted ways and Boyd, Joyce and Clive found Gil's Pitstop—therefore, he is unknown.
Vernon ditched the other three and took off in the boat—therefore, he is unknown.
They were separated by walkers, and lost all contact with Vernon—therefore, he is unknown.
I personally believe that the chances speak by themselves. Why would a wiki that attempts to be objective take their chances and base their information on speculation of a few people?
Again, I am creating this thread to collect the forum's opinions. Maybe some here have theories, or perhaps have noticed details and clues, that some others are not seeing, and which make a good case or convincing argument in favor of Vernon being dead for sure.
"Vernon and the boat are the reason the group fell apart, not trusting strangers! Vernon was out for the boat the whole time! And the second they left the boat unattended, we just stole it! That's when our group fell apart!"
—Boyd, about Vernon and the theft of the boat.
Comments
It should definitely be unknown as we don't know what happened to him. Part of me actually wants to see him again.
Vernon is dead? When did that happen? I swear that wiki page is flawed.
I always felt he was unknown, the old woman changes tone when talking to the others. Lost brie sounds sad and the then vernon sounds sort of angry.
I have always said that if you don't see a character die on screen the chances are that they are alive. Of course if someone plainly says so and so is dead and they saw him/her die then we have to take their word for it unless they have reason to lie. I personally think he should be an unknown status like Christa, Lilly and Molly because it was never officially stated that he was dead. It's like with Kenny's presumed death, "Kenny was lost to the herd", never actually stating he was dead. Vernon should be considered lost.
That m f'er SHOULD die
I think he's unknown. It would be great if Clementine met him again after all this time.
I am honestly glad to hear that, so far, the majority of us believe that his status should be unknown. Seeing how not a single person has opined otherwise—and you are welcomed to do so—that is probably the majority of fans on the internet. What do you reckon should be done in order to convince the staff to allow this change?
Not so long ago went on a wiki and noticed a small argument in the comments about Terry St.Johns status.Some people believe that Brenda's quote ''my husband,miss him every day'' is not enough to prove that he is dead, therefore his status should be changed to unknown too.What do you think about it?
Vernon is the new bad guy in Season 3. Don't ruin it
Some but he's definitely alive. And I was honestly hoping I would see his boat somewhere by michonnes storyline. Whether as just a shipwreck or a survivor.
I believe that Brenda's line all-but-confirms that Terry St. John is dead. It is very likely that he died, but other than Brenda's line, there is no other proof. No grave, no nothing. Unknown is okay by me.
This case is different though, since Joyce didn't even imply that he is dead—just that they lost him, and even in an angry tone, like @Firewallcano pointed out.
If you examine Terry's picture on the wall, then later on when Lee is trying to stop Brenda with the gun, Lee says "think about your husband Brenda, would he have wanted your dairy to have turned into a slaughter house". This to me also implies that he is dead because why would she say she misses him if it was just a case of him being gone? Possible but unlikely
That is a very good point.
On an partially unrelated note, I'll take the chance to ask, what do you understand by an unknown status? This question will probably sound odd and foolish, but I'm really interested on it. Do you take "unknown" as a placeholder, in the sense that we don't know what his status is so we're saying that we don't know it? Or do you take it as a status itself, like "unknown" is his actual status—similar to a "missing" status?
Similar to a missing status, though it could be both. It's either "We actually do not know much about this character's status so we'll put them as unknown for now to avoid confusion" or "A character died/seen/went offscreen and their death was never confirmed from a legitimate source, so they are MIA"
At first, I just said w/e and think that he's dead. But now when I see this thread, it reminded me when they put Kenny as deceased back when Season 1 had ended. So that means until we get another mention of Vernon, he'll just be classified as deceased. I think he should be put as "Presumably Deceased". That would work better.
That is an incredible idea, pr0dz!
I updated the status from "dead" to "presumed dead" under the following explanation:
Hopefully nobody changes it back within the next ten minutes.
I always assumed this, although it probably has a lot to do with me hating Vernon and always thinking the worse of him. He's definitely unknown though, as there's no real indication he's dead...yet.
I always figured he made off with the boat or just died off screen. I didn't put a whole ton of thought into it.
While him being the season 3 antagonist would be a bit of a stretch, I am open to the possibility that he's alive. Vernon is manipulative and that gets you pretty far in the apocalypse. Negan lead an entire faction for the same reason. Well that, and the man is totally jacked.
(!) Some bad language ahead, along with off-topic rant.
After letting that sink in…
I am so utterly done for life with this nonsensical website called WDwikiwhatever and the group of dumbasses who unfortunately constitute the vocal part of the site.
I'd delete my account if there was an option.
Screw expanding their articles and screw correcting grammar and spelling mistakes.
Screw Vernon's article too. Let them write that he was killed by a clown playing the tuba.
And screw their forum games. There. I said it. I can't even believe that Michonne was the first to be voted out while Negan and Tyreese are close to be the winners.
No problem man. Just gotta put my ideas forth |:T
Unknown, because as we've found out; being "lost" is not a death sentence.
There are alot of people throughout the series whose deaths haven't been confirmed and could play a part in season 3
You know, I used to trust the wiki without question, probably because they pretended to know stuff that I had no idea about. But now, after a lot of time spent in the TWD fandom, I can honestly say that they are a bunch of pretentious douchebags. If you so much as dare of thinking to change an article, best watch your ass. I corrected them once or twice, but it was changed back to its wrong state simply because they think they know everything and can't be wrong. Their timeline is also bullshit. I remember that at some point, the listed that Clem was in the shed for ten days.
Another thing that's kind of annoying is how descriptive they are. Some sites are way too big, namely sites for characters like Rick and Daryl. Anyone who just wants to check something will get flooded with overly long sentences and unnecessary details.
So, to wrap up this rant: TWD wikia is an extremely unreliable source run by kindergardeners who can't accept being wrong once in a while, and should not be trusted without question, if at all.
Years ago I was a very active user of the wiki and I can assure you that this argument has long been settled. Kenny's status in the wiki was dead until Telltale in an interview prior to the release of season 2 confirmed that they would "explore Kenny's fate". Vernon will never appear again in the game and all hints and dialogue point to his demise, so his status is definitely dead.
Exactly what I said about Kenny. Glad that I'm not the only one that points this out.