Of course she was wrong about cheating on her beloved husband, but responsible for showing his worst side? It was a part of him, of his person, not her, so he was definitely overreacting when he went to kill that man.
I believe most of us would get a 'worst side' if we were put in situations from hell.
Lee's ex-wife. Because she was responsible for showing the worst side of a really nice guy. Also, I believe that if you are not happy enough with someone, you should simply leave this person.
He is a liability, he had a lot of time to show his development through the game but he ended up like an idiot in episode 4 and 5 and caused his own death.
No, yeah, of course, I meant that she was INDIRECTLY responsible, I know it was not her fault, Lee just lost it. But what I really wanted to state is that she "drawned" him, and then Clem becomes his redemption, bringing him up, that links those two characters through Lee, kind of, do not you think? I was just thinking about it. Anyway, as for your statement, I could not agree more, except that if the situation keeps pushing, everyone tends to "get a worst side" as you said yourself. So I do not buy the "it is 100% on him" thing, once that it is too subjective, people tend to respond to what they experience, anyhow, on THIS particular case I agree with you.
Of course she was wrong about cheating on her beloved husband, but responsible for showing his worst side? It was a part of him, of his pers… moreon, not her, so he was definitely overreacting when he went to kill that man.
I believe most of us would get a 'worst side' if we were put in situations from hell.
The liability who saved Sarah and kept the group together until Episode 5, right? Oh, and also saved Clem's life in Episode 1. Oh, and leads the group until they reach the mountains. And also the only reason Clem was allowed to stay in the cabin group in the first place.
Pff, what do I know? Fuck Luke! Afterall, look how well things turned out after he died!
He is a liability, he had a lot of time to show his development through the game but he ended up like an idiot in episode 4 and 5 and caused his own death.
Season One: bandits
400 Days: Dee
Season Two: Winston (formerly Michelle)
Michonne: I'm trying to think of someone, but nobody really comes to mind
Season Three: nobody (yet, at least)
So you hate Luke for being a liability, yet hate it when someone hates Sarah because they consider her a liability (I am very aware that she has anxiety issues, unlike Luke, but still..)?
He is a liability, he had a lot of time to show his development through the game but he ended up like an idiot in episode 4 and 5 and caused his own death.
No, yeah, of course, I meant that she was INDIRECTLY responsible, I know it was not her fault, Lee just lost it. But what I really wanted to… more state is that she "drawned" him, and then Clem becomes his redemption, bringing him up, that links those two characters through Lee, kind of, do not you think? I was just thinking about it. Anyway, as for your statement, I could not agree more, except that if the situation keeps pushing, everyone tends to "get a worst side" as you said yourself. So I do not buy the "it is 100% on him" thing, once that it is too subjective, people tend to respond to what they experience, anyhow, on THIS particular case I agree with you.
I do hate Lilly too, but are you serious about point 2?
Even if, IF, Kenny was right (he wasn't, in my point of view Kenny murdered Larry), even if. Do you really, really expect anyone to agree with someone killing their loved ones before it is absolutely clear he/she is dead? Seriously? Do you really think anyone, ESPECIALLY Kenny, or even Lee, or even you, to do that? To just say, "Yeah, It is not absolutely clear that my dad/child/husband is dead, but let's just kill him"?
If you really do, then damn, you are a cold, cruel person. Have you, or Kenny, tried to see it from her perspective? Her dad just having a heart attack, which does not automatically lead to dead, and Lee trying to save him? Which might even have had succeeded, seeing he started breathing right before Kenny murdered him.
Well, it is different. I also had this discussions a ton of times before. I am sure we all had.
But someone arguing he hates Lilly for not seeing Kenny's point of view, is a new one. People usually just argued that Kenny was right, not that Lilly should have agreed with Kenny. Whether or not Kenny was right, okay, you could argue that, don't agree, but you can. But saying and expecting Lilly to agree or see Kenny's point, is stupid, in my opinion, and totally unrealistic. Especially given the ambivalent and not-clear situation. Most people, including Kenny, certainly would not.
She had anxiety disorder, I hate her father for not telling her the truth but it's Jane and Luke's fault for her death, they were banging since Luke had a job to spot walkers nearby so he could warn the group to move on. Luke was useless to the story. He died like an idiot, causing his own death. Also, he only cared for Jane and not Nick and Sarah. He reacted when he heard Jane left but didn't to Nick and Sarah's fates.
So you hate Luke for being a liability, yet hate it when someone hates Sarah because they consider her a liability (I am very aware that she has anxiety issues, unlike Luke, but still..)?
The liability who saved Sarah and kept the group together until Episode 5, right? Oh, and also saved Clem's life in Episode 1. Oh, and leads… more the group until they reach the mountains. And also the only reason Clem was allowed to stay in the cabin group in the first place.
Pff, what do I know? Fuck Luke! Afterall, look how well things turned out after he died!
He went after Sarah, chased her, tried to convince her to come with him and even tried to carry her. If he wasn't there you can imagine what would've happened? The walkers who chased her would eventually break in leaving poor young Sarah to be devoured. And I don't remember Luke ever saying to leave Sarah. He actually is pissed at Clem if she does.
What about Pete? What the fuck does Pete have to do with Luke saving Clem? The fact that he was there as well erases what Luke did?
I'm not expecting you to take my points seriously, tho. I've seen how you act when someone tries to make you consider valid points abour characters you hate. I bet you still believe that Jane and Luke getting laid (somehow) got Sarah killed.
The liability who saved Sarah and kept the group together until Episode 5, right?
How did he save Sarah? He was on Jane's side to le… moret her die and wanted to hook up with Jane later which put the group in danger.
And also the only reason Clem was allowed to stay in the cabin group in the first place.
What about Pete?
He went after Sarah, chased her, tried to convince her to come with him and even tried to carry her. If he wasn't there you can imagine what… more would've happened? The walkers who chased her would eventually break in leaving poor young Sarah to be devoured. And I don't remember Luke ever saying to leave Sarah. He actually is pissed at Clem if she does.
What about Pete? What the fuck does Pete have to do with Luke saving Clem? The fact that he was there as well erases what Luke did?
I'm not expecting you to take my points seriously, tho. I've seen how you act when someone tries to make you consider valid points abour characters you hate. I bet you still believe that Jane and Luke getting laid (somehow) got Sarah killed.
I am very aware of her disorder. It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside where Rebecca was or just quickly moving away from the breaking deck.
I can't agree that Luke was useless to the story, because if he really was you wouldn't be making so much different points about him.
Causing his own death? Technically, yes. But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others. Not every death has to have a divine meaning for it. It is the real life.
She had anxiety disorder, I hate her father for not telling her the truth but it's Jane and Luke's fault for her death, they were banging si… morence Luke had a job to spot walkers nearby so he could warn the group to move on. Luke was useless to the story. He died like an idiot, causing his own death. Also, he only cared for Jane and not Nick and Sarah. He reacted when he heard Jane left but didn't to Nick and Sarah's fates.
It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside where Rebecca was or just quickly moving away from the breaking deck.
Blame the plot. Telltale made her death so unrealistic. Those shitheads are heartless as fuck
But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others
Telltale wanted Sarah out in a unrealistic way. Clementine actually got Lee killed and Luke didn't give Nick any weapons to defend himself.
I am very aware of her disorder. It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside … morewhere Rebecca was or just quickly moving away from the breaking deck.
I can't agree that Luke was useless to the story, because if he really was you wouldn't be making so much different points about him.
Causing his own death? Technically, yes. But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others. Not every death has to have a divine meaning for it. It is the real life.
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Yes, he is. You should probably try to rewatch the episode. He never agrees with Jane. He gets to the skylight and waits until someone is there for him to pull up.
I'm talking to you, not Rich (but if he wants to share why he thinks Sarah got killed by Jane and Luke I'm all ears). Let's think about it. If Luke and Jane weren't getting laid what would've gone differently? Luke would spot the walkers being drawn by Rebecca's screams and he would come to the group and say 'Hey! Walkers are coming! We have to find a place for Rebecca to have the baby'. Clem would sugest the observation deck as usual, and everything would play out as it did.
He actually is pissed at Clem if she does.
NO, he isn't. He did agree with Jane.
I bet you still believe that Jane and Luke ge… moretting laid (somehow) got Sarah killed.
Yes, you can ask @RichWalk23. He is the one who makes better points than me.
Unrealistic? How so? It was unexpected, tragic, and it did kinda feel like they just pushed her away after her first "real death". Unrealistic would be more like it had almost no or very little chance of happening. And we all know that Sarah was shaken up after Carlos' death so her being not careful enough wasn't unrealistic. "Shitheads" is a very ugly insult, whether you are joking or not, some of TT members can see it...
Telltale did want Sarah out, obviously, no arguing on that, but realistic or not, I explained that above in my reply just now.
Lee got killed by a walker (the ultimate direct killer so don't say she was the killer because she surely didn't bite his arm). Walker was where Clementine's hat fell. Her hat fel because of the stranger (the so called indirect killer). The stranger manipulated Clementine. Clementine trusted him although Lee told her not to. (by this logic she is the second indirect killer) And so on and on until the big bang happened.
You can blame Telltale on Nick's death too, since it felt like the same cup of tea as Sarah's, but I don't like doing that. So you are saying it is all Luke's fault Nick got killed? It is his fault, but Nick was the one who decided to go outside and get killed just a few meters from the trailer.
It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside where Rebecca was or just quickly… more moving away from the breaking deck.
Blame the plot. Telltale made her death so unrealistic. Those shitheads are heartless as fuck
But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others
Telltale wanted Sarah out in a unrealistic way. Clementine actually got Lee killed and Luke didn't give Nick any weapons to defend himself.
It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside where Rebecca was or just quickly… more moving away from the breaking deck.
Blame the plot. Telltale made her death so unrealistic. Those shitheads are heartless as fuck
But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others
Telltale wanted Sarah out in a unrealistic way. Clementine actually got Lee killed and Luke didn't give Nick any weapons to defend himself.
Well, obviously she, or anyone, would hold a grudge against someone who killed a loved one who might still have been alive. Do you really blame her for that? Would you not do the same when someone kills someone you love, even though there might still have been a chance he/she lived?
Also, where did she not shoot to protect Lee? Does she not do it when you help Kenny? Because ever since Lee tried to help Lilly, in my playthrough, it was Kenny who didn't save Lee even though he could, and instead Lilly saved me form the cannibals. And damn, Kenny didn't even have a good reason for it. Just because I tried to stop Larry from dying, Kenny forgot all Lee did for him, like saving duck and feeding his family, and would have let Lee die not once, but at least 2 times. On the farm, and in the store at the beginning of the episode after the farm. He could have helped me, but he didn't, in situation that could have ended in Lee's dead very quickly. If you hate Lilly for not saving you after you killed her dad, you'd also have to hate Kenny for not saving you when you tried to save Larry, because Kenny is not better at all. Worse even, because he'll just forget everything you ever did for him before, and lets you die for no good reason.
Wouldn't Sarah staying with Kenny and Rebecca make more sense? What is wrong with you? How can you explain Sarah ending up under the rubble when that wasn't supposed to realisticly happen. Telltale made her death unrealistic, ENOUGH SAID!!
Unrealistic? How so? It was unexpected, tragic, and it did kinda feel like they just pushed her away after her first "real death". Unrealist… moreic would be more like it had almost no or very little chance of happening. And we all know that Sarah was shaken up after Carlos' death so her being not careful enough wasn't unrealistic. "Shitheads" is a very ugly insult, whether you are joking or not, some of TT members can see it...
Telltale did want Sarah out, obviously, no arguing on that, but realistic or not, I explained that above in my reply just now.
Lee got killed by a walker (the ultimate direct killer so don't say she was the killer because she surely didn't bite his arm). Walker was where Clementine's hat fell. Her hat fel because of the stranger (the so called indirect killer). The stranger manipulated Clementine. Clementine trusted him although Lee told her not to. (by this logic she is the second indirect killer) And so on and on un… [view original content]
It would, of course, but since it's been only one day after her father's death, she wasn't thinking completely straight. First of all, Telltale has written all characters and all death scenes, so it's all up to them. I was just trying to explain how her death didn't involve being eaten by T-Rex (that is very unrealistic) or anything similar so it can be explained rationally which doesn't necesserily mean it happened exactly because of that. I hope you understand me.
"What is wrong with you" is rather rude, and I hope you won't include any more of insults or whatever this is called in future discussions.
Wouldn't Sarah staying with Kenny and Rebecca make more sense? What is wrong with you? How can you explain Sarah ending up under the rubble when that wasn't supposed to realisticly happen. Telltale made her death unrealistic, ENOUGH SAID!!
Why are you calling him? Nobody is doing anything wrong to you for you to call help. He is a very smart guy, but can't you just voice your sincere thoughts and opinions without calling someone else?
Maybe he had had some anger issues that weren't resolved.
I wouldn't doubt it. Some of the scenes where Lee gets angry have him going a bit overboard, to say the least.
I usually try to stay out of topics like this, but since AronDracula asked for my help, I might as well put my two cents here and be fair as possible in my reasoning.
I wouldn't say that Luke had wanted to get Sarah killed in the trailer as I recognized that he did everything in his power to help her, but it does strike me as odd and frustrating that Luke had wanted to have sex with Jane when he himself was still suffering from the injuries he received from Carver.
He already knows that there is a baby on the way, his group is recovering from the loss of Carlos, Nick, Sarita, and potentially Sarah. Why the two decided to have sex right there and then instead of actually watching out for the group was beyond me.
You are right that Luke would spot a herd of walkers approaching the group from the observation deck, which is why by actually taking advantage of the view would have given everyone more ample time to prepare for upcoming danger and find a place to hide until the herd goes away. The place Luke and Jane stayed in and distracted themselves was called an 'observation deck' for a reason, since it allowed anyone to see miles away from high up and spot any incoming danger when compared to just looking from the ground.
The reason why most are angry at Jane and Luke about Sarah's second death is how their actions indirectly made all that effort to save her from the trailer completely meaningless. Their idea to have sex in the conservatory instead of actually keeping an eye out for their group's well-being meant that the walkers were able to sneak up on them without either Jane or Luke on the lookout, which is ironic when Sarah herself would be the one to spot the walkers and warn the group in time.
To me, that meant that the group had little time to organize themselves and find a place to hide from the walkers, and the shoddy use of using the cannon to block off the stairs caused the floorboards to collapse and allow Sarah to fall to her death. Sure someone could have called out to Sarah to join Kenny inside the building, but everyone was too preoccupied with the walkers right on their tails.
While I don't think that Luke and Jane wanted Sarah to die, their poorly thought out actions had indirectly started a chain of events that led to Sarah dying on the conservatory deck, at least that's what I believe.
Yes, he is. You should probably try to rewatch the episode. He never agrees with Jane. He gets to the skylight and waits until someone is th… moreere for him to pull up.
I'm talking to you, not Rich (but if he wants to share why he thinks Sarah got killed by Jane and Luke I'm all ears). Let's think about it. If Luke and Jane weren't getting laid what would've gone differently? Luke would spot the walkers being drawn by Rebecca's screams and he would come to the group and say 'Hey! Walkers are coming! We have to find a place for Rebecca to have the baby'. Clem would sugest the observation deck as usual, and everything would play out as it did.
I honestly wouldnt bother with this, I've had the exact same conversation with him about how this luke and jane killed sarah thing is just daft and how hating on luke for being a supposed liability but not hating sarah and nick and claiming they are only an issue because of the writers is just odd.
He eventually just starts insulting you or asking for others validation.
Why are you calling him? Nobody is doing anything wrong to you for you to call help. He is a very smart guy, but can't you just voice your sincere thoughts and opinions without calling someone else?
I don't remember him being on her side. The closest he came to siding with Jane is him saying "Listen, Jane may be right..."
After they escape the trailer park, Luke says he's surprised Clementine left her, gets irritated when Jane starts talking about how it might be better this way, and comparing Sarah to Jaime, and expresses anger and guilt at not being able to get Sarah out of the trailer ("We were in there for hours, you know? I should've done something.")
and wanted to hook up with Jane later
I don't remember that, either. Luke was breaking down under the weight of all the death and destruction around him, and Jane took advantage of that. He even says it himself; Jane made an offer to him, and he took it because he wanted a temporary escape from all the shit happening around them. And that's why he was pissed about Jane leaving, because he realized that she pretty much took advantage of him when he was vulnerable.
The liability who saved Sarah and kept the group together until Episode 5, right?
How did he save Sarah? He was on Jane's side to le… moret her die and wanted to hook up with Jane later which put the group in danger.
And also the only reason Clem was allowed to stay in the cabin group in the first place.
What about Pete?
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Of course she was wrong about cheating on her beloved husband, but responsible for showing his worst side? It was a part of him, of his person, not her, so he was definitely overreacting when he went to kill that man.
I believe most of us would get a 'worst side' if we were put in situations from hell.
i dislike Brie from S1 the most.
He is a liability, he had a lot of time to show his development through the game but he ended up like an idiot in episode 4 and 5 and caused his own death.
No, yeah, of course, I meant that she was INDIRECTLY responsible, I know it was not her fault, Lee just lost it. But what I really wanted to state is that she "drawned" him, and then Clem becomes his redemption, bringing him up, that links those two characters through Lee, kind of, do not you think? I was just thinking about it. Anyway, as for your statement, I could not agree more, except that if the situation keeps pushing, everyone tends to "get a worst side" as you said yourself. So I do not buy the "it is 100% on him" thing, once that it is too subjective, people tend to respond to what they experience, anyhow, on THIS particular case I agree with you.
For Season One, it would have to be the Save-Lots bandits.
I would go with Kenny when it comes to Season Two.
Michonne? The ferry scavengers, no doubt.
If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about Lilly?
Lilly, Larry and Carver
She didn't do that on purpose, she meant to kill Ben.
How can you dislike her for something she didn't intend to do though.
The liability who saved Sarah and kept the group together until Episode 5, right? Oh, and also saved Clem's life in Episode 1. Oh, and leads the group until they reach the mountains. And also the only reason Clem was allowed to stay in the cabin group in the first place.
Pff, what do I know? Fuck Luke! Afterall, look how well things turned out after he died!
Awwwwwwww
Can you really say no to that face? I mean look at how ADORABLE he is!
In this pic he's cute even more then Clem
Season One: bandits
400 Days: Dee
Season Two: Winston (formerly Michelle)
Michonne: I'm trying to think of someone, but nobody really comes to mind
Season Three: nobody (yet, at least)
In S3 i hope he's die
I hate Clem!!!!
just kidding lol
So you hate Luke for being a liability, yet hate it when someone hates Sarah because they consider her a liability (I am very aware that she has anxiety issues, unlike Luke, but still..)?
What a sense of humor
Yup, man.
Although I wish we kinda knew what Lee really was like in the past. Maybe he had had some anger issues that weren't resolved..
gosh, I fell for it.
I do hate Lilly too, but are you serious about point 2?
Even if, IF, Kenny was right (he wasn't, in my point of view Kenny murdered Larry), even if. Do you really, really expect anyone to agree with someone killing their loved ones before it is absolutely clear he/she is dead? Seriously? Do you really think anyone, ESPECIALLY Kenny, or even Lee, or even you, to do that? To just say, "Yeah, It is not absolutely clear that my dad/child/husband is dead, but let's just kill him"?
If you really do, then damn, you are a cold, cruel person. Have you, or Kenny, tried to see it from her perspective? Her dad just having a heart attack, which does not automatically lead to dead, and Lee trying to save him? Which might even have had succeeded, seeing he started breathing right before Kenny murdered him.
Well, it is different. I also had this discussions a ton of times before. I am sure we all had.
But someone arguing he hates Lilly for not seeing Kenny's point of view, is a new one. People usually just argued that Kenny was right, not that Lilly should have agreed with Kenny. Whether or not Kenny was right, okay, you could argue that, don't agree, but you can. But saying and expecting Lilly to agree or see Kenny's point, is stupid, in my opinion, and totally unrealistic. Especially given the ambivalent and not-clear situation. Most people, including Kenny, certainly would not.
She had anxiety disorder, I hate her father for not telling her the truth but it's Jane and Luke's fault for her death, they were banging since Luke had a job to spot walkers nearby so he could warn the group to move on. Luke was useless to the story. He died like an idiot, causing his own death. Also, he only cared for Jane and not Nick and Sarah. He reacted when he heard Jane left but didn't to Nick and Sarah's fates.
How did he save Sarah? He was on Jane's side to let her die and wanted to hook up with Jane later which put the group in danger.
What about Pete?
He went after Sarah, chased her, tried to convince her to come with him and even tried to carry her. If he wasn't there you can imagine what would've happened? The walkers who chased her would eventually break in leaving poor young Sarah to be devoured. And I don't remember Luke ever saying to leave Sarah. He actually is pissed at Clem if she does.
What about Pete? What the fuck does Pete have to do with Luke saving Clem? The fact that he was there as well erases what Luke did?
I'm not expecting you to take my points seriously, tho. I've seen how you act when someone tries to make you consider valid points abour characters you hate. I bet you still believe that Jane and Luke getting laid (somehow) got Sarah killed.
NO, he isn't. He did agree with Jane.
Yes, you can ask @RichWalk23. He is the one who makes better points than me.
I am very aware of her disorder. It is indirectly their fault but she could have very easily avoided her own death by staying either inside where Rebecca was or just quickly moving away from the breaking deck.
I can't agree that Luke was useless to the story, because if he really was you wouldn't be making so much different points about him.
Causing his own death? Technically, yes. But so did Sarah, Lee, Nick and many others. Not every death has to have a divine meaning for it. It is the real life.
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Blame the plot. Telltale made her death so unrealistic. Those shitheads are heartless as fuck
Telltale wanted Sarah out in a unrealistic way. Clementine actually got Lee killed and Luke didn't give Nick any weapons to defend himself.
Rebecca
Yes, he is. You should probably try to rewatch the episode. He never agrees with Jane. He gets to the skylight and waits until someone is there for him to pull up.
I'm talking to you, not Rich (but if he wants to share why he thinks Sarah got killed by Jane and Luke I'm all ears). Let's think about it. If Luke and Jane weren't getting laid what would've gone differently? Luke would spot the walkers being drawn by Rebecca's screams and he would come to the group and say 'Hey! Walkers are coming! We have to find a place for Rebecca to have the baby'. Clem would sugest the observation deck as usual, and everything would play out as it did.
Unrealistic? How so? It was unexpected, tragic, and it did kinda feel like they just pushed her away after her first "real death". Unrealistic would be more like it had almost no or very little chance of happening. And we all know that Sarah was shaken up after Carlos' death so her being not careful enough wasn't unrealistic. "Shitheads" is a very ugly insult, whether you are joking or not, some of TT members can see it...
Telltale did want Sarah out, obviously, no arguing on that, but realistic or not, I explained that above in my reply just now.
Lee got killed by a walker (the ultimate direct killer so don't say she was the killer because she surely didn't bite his arm). Walker was where Clementine's hat fell. Her hat fel because of the stranger (the so called indirect killer). The stranger manipulated Clementine. Clementine trusted him although Lee told her not to. (by this logic she is the second indirect killer) And so on and on until the big bang happened.
You can blame Telltale on Nick's death too, since it felt like the same cup of tea as Sarah's, but I don't like doing that. So you are saying it is all Luke's fault Nick got killed? It is his fault, but Nick was the one who decided to go outside and get killed just a few meters from the trailer.
@RichWalk23 please help me.
Well, obviously she, or anyone, would hold a grudge against someone who killed a loved one who might still have been alive. Do you really blame her for that? Would you not do the same when someone kills someone you love, even though there might still have been a chance he/she lived?
Also, where did she not shoot to protect Lee? Does she not do it when you help Kenny? Because ever since Lee tried to help Lilly, in my playthrough, it was Kenny who didn't save Lee even though he could, and instead Lilly saved me form the cannibals. And damn, Kenny didn't even have a good reason for it. Just because I tried to stop Larry from dying, Kenny forgot all Lee did for him, like saving duck and feeding his family, and would have let Lee die not once, but at least 2 times. On the farm, and in the store at the beginning of the episode after the farm. He could have helped me, but he didn't, in situation that could have ended in Lee's dead very quickly. If you hate Lilly for not saving you after you killed her dad, you'd also have to hate Kenny for not saving you when you tried to save Larry, because Kenny is not better at all. Worse even, because he'll just forget everything you ever did for him before, and lets you die for no good reason.
Wouldn't Sarah staying with Kenny and Rebecca make more sense? What is wrong with you? How can you explain Sarah ending up under the rubble when that wasn't supposed to realisticly happen. Telltale made her death unrealistic, ENOUGH SAID!!
It would, of course, but since it's been only one day after her father's death, she wasn't thinking completely straight. First of all, Telltale has written all characters and all death scenes, so it's all up to them. I was just trying to explain how her death didn't involve being eaten by T-Rex (that is very unrealistic) or anything similar so it can be explained rationally which doesn't necesserily mean it happened exactly because of that. I hope you understand me.
"What is wrong with you" is rather rude, and I hope you won't include any more of insults or whatever this is called in future discussions.
You do not ENOUGH SAID a discussion.
I wouldn't doubt it. Some of the scenes where Lee gets angry have him going a bit overboard, to say the least.
Why are you calling him? Nobody is doing anything wrong to you for you to call help. He is a very smart guy, but can't you just voice your sincere thoughts and opinions without calling someone else?
He can be very scary, if he wants to. Though, it would have been better if he had done something about it, or at least tried to..
I usually try to stay out of topics like this, but since AronDracula asked for my help, I might as well put my two cents here and be fair as possible in my reasoning.
I wouldn't say that Luke had wanted to get Sarah killed in the trailer as I recognized that he did everything in his power to help her, but it does strike me as odd and frustrating that Luke had wanted to have sex with Jane when he himself was still suffering from the injuries he received from Carver.
He already knows that there is a baby on the way, his group is recovering from the loss of Carlos, Nick, Sarita, and potentially Sarah. Why the two decided to have sex right there and then instead of actually watching out for the group was beyond me.
You are right that Luke would spot a herd of walkers approaching the group from the observation deck, which is why by actually taking advantage of the view would have given everyone more ample time to prepare for upcoming danger and find a place to hide until the herd goes away. The place Luke and Jane stayed in and distracted themselves was called an 'observation deck' for a reason, since it allowed anyone to see miles away from high up and spot any incoming danger when compared to just looking from the ground.
The reason why most are angry at Jane and Luke about Sarah's second death is how their actions indirectly made all that effort to save her from the trailer completely meaningless. Their idea to have sex in the conservatory instead of actually keeping an eye out for their group's well-being meant that the walkers were able to sneak up on them without either Jane or Luke on the lookout, which is ironic when Sarah herself would be the one to spot the walkers and warn the group in time.
To me, that meant that the group had little time to organize themselves and find a place to hide from the walkers, and the shoddy use of using the cannon to block off the stairs caused the floorboards to collapse and allow Sarah to fall to her death. Sure someone could have called out to Sarah to join Kenny inside the building, but everyone was too preoccupied with the walkers right on their tails.
While I don't think that Luke and Jane wanted Sarah to die, their poorly thought out actions had indirectly started a chain of events that led to Sarah dying on the conservatory deck, at least that's what I believe.
I honestly wouldnt bother with this, I've had the exact same conversation with him about how this luke and jane killed sarah thing is just daft and how hating on luke for being a supposed liability but not hating sarah and nick and claiming they are only an issue because of the writers is just odd.
He eventually just starts insulting you or asking for others validation.
I don't remember him being on her side. The closest he came to siding with Jane is him saying "Listen, Jane may be right..."
After they escape the trailer park, Luke says he's surprised Clementine left her, gets irritated when Jane starts talking about how it might be better this way, and comparing Sarah to Jaime, and expresses anger and guilt at not being able to get Sarah out of the trailer ("We were in there for hours, you know? I should've done something.")
I don't remember that, either. Luke was breaking down under the weight of all the death and destruction around him, and Jane took advantage of that. He even says it himself; Jane made an offer to him, and he took it because he wanted a temporary escape from all the shit happening around them. And that's why he was pissed about Jane leaving, because he realized that she pretty much took advantage of him when he was vulnerable.