I tried to explain everything about Kenny before. I am not saying Jane deserve to die. But in the the end she had done stupid things for herself more than Clem. Its all about choice matter
I tried to explain everything about Kenny before. I am not saying Jane deserve to die. But in the the end she had done stupid things for herself more than Clem. Its all about choice matter
What do you mean? Did he slapped Clem? His reactions have reasons. I explained that before. He later apologized for those things to Clem. I know it's hard for you to understand that. You better try again to understand that Twd Kenny thread
What do you mean? Did he slapped Clem? His reactions have reasons. I explained that before. He later apologized for those things to Clem. I know it's hard for you to understand that. You better try again to understand that
Twd Kenny thread
The doctrine of the Kennyists will not be defined by the corrupt morality of Jane and her followers. Those who have witnessed the divine transformation of Kenny know the ultimate truth for themselves.
Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the constant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
Rescues the drowning child, risking her own life.
Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
Looks after the newborn baby.
Advocates for driving to a place with baby formula for the newborn baby, instead of a place who ultimately would not have let the adults in.
Saves the life of the wounded child along with the unstable man.
Carries out a plan that would prevent a probable future death of the unstable man, the child and the newborn baby, at the cost of leaving the unstable man behind and risking her own life. The plan does not work, and either she or the unstable man dies.
Looks after the child and the newborn baby for nine days.
Allows a desperate family to take shelter in the same place as her.
The doctrine of the Kennyists will not be defined by the corrupt morality of Jane and her followers. Those who have witnessed the divine transformation of Kenny know the ultimate truth for themselves.
And now please list her negative points because there certainly are those lol. Just saying because you know, if you can list negative things about say Kenny for example, i thought we could even out here as well.
The corrupt morality of Jane—such as when she…
* Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the cons… moretant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
* Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
* Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
* Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
* Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
* Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
* Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
* Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
* Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
* Rescues the drowning child, risking her own life.
* Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
… [view original content]
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reasons you provided are half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath and manipulator.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
The corrupt morality of Jane—such as when she…
* Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the cons… moretant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
* Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
* Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
* Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
* Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
* Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
* Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
* Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
* Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
* Rescues the drowning child, risking her own life.
* Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
… [view original content]
Just imagine if Clem was the one who somehow lost AJ.......keeping in mind what happened after Sarita died.
And that is something you can continue to do...imagine. We will never ever know that for sure and all the negative nellies around here, by all means feel free to think what you like. I disagree of course.
The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt. Her numerous good deeds in her short appearance in the series prevent her morality to be considered deficient.
Time for the immoral acts of Jane.
Helps a group of prisoners escape, contributing to the death of the leader of the community and the multiple innocent inhabitants.
Incapacitates and leaves to be devoured the man who sexually harassed her.
Threatens a handicapped teenager.
Steals the gun from the handicapped teenager.
Prompts the child to steal from the handicapped teenager, in order to calm the suffering of the pregnant woman, the unstable man, and another young man.
Kills an innocent man.
Allows Clementine to have a drink.
Misleads the unstable man about the whereabouts of the newborn baby as a part of her plan, contributing to his rage.
And now please list her negative points because there certainly are those lol. Just saying because you know, if you can list negative things about say Kenny for example, i thought we could even out here as well.
I know I said I wasn't inviting a debate but your rhetoric and reasoning are absolute garbage and are falsely and purposefully misleading, so as a rhetoric major and loyal Kennyist I have decided to destroy your false narrative point by point.
Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the constant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group. Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so that she could escape. She wasn't trying to help the group themselves, she's even really creepy and standoffish with the group.
Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
In the herd you mean? She nearly DOES leave them... it was a close call on that one. Also she lets Sarah die later so you can't say she cares about other people or even children at all. She let her own sister die, you think anyone else matters to this psycho?
Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
And while she's at it, she terrorizes/robs a crippled boy (leading to an ambush on our group) and fucks Luke (resulting in us getting caught unawares by walkers). So she's also the main reason the place and our group was overwhelmed in the first place. Yeah woohoo, you are literally just giving half-truths while completely ignoring her wrongdoing. You deserve a cookie as well.
Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
Uh which one? She definitely lets Sarah die, and she puts Clem in more dangerous situations than she gets her out of.
Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
She came back because she did the wrong thing in the first place and she fucking knew it. Also, WTF??? SAVED the life of an unstable man? You're a bloody fool if you truly believe that.... Jane's actions result in either her or "the unstable man" being killed. Completely false narrative.
Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
Horrified that she saved the group's life, like you just said? Wow, okay. Jane is such a fucking psycho maniac that she feels remorse for a stranger that was going to slaughter her group (because I can't really use the term "friends", can I?), but she will leave her own sister to die or advocate leaving an infant baby to die. F.u.c.k.i.n.g. CRAZY!!!
Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
Uh not really, she just tries to make Clem think Kenny is crazy and is going to snap. And then she runs off with AJ and does the one thing that drives Kenny crazy and makes him snap, when everything could've been okay leading up to that point. She is the reason Kenny DIDN'T recover sooner, stupid false narrative again.
Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
A secure place that she immediately makes unsecure by fucking with Arvo and (literally) fucking Luke. Oh btw that "unstable man" was the one who delivered the baby and saved the goddamned day.
Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
The same teenager who ambushes a group with a baby and who shoots a young girl and leaves her to die. Yeah..... Kenny was right about Arvo and was right to want to kill him. If he killed Arvo then they wouldn't be robbed and Clem wouldn't have gotten shot. Stupid logic that only looks at less than half of the facts.
Looks after the newborn baby.
LOL whatever dude, she can barely stand even holding the damn kid. She also abandons the kid in a car during a walker infested snowstorm just to prove a point... AJ could have frozen, been eaten, or Jane could've died without telling them that AJ was in the car. AJ's safety never mattered to Jane, and even in the Jane ending she only helps for Clem's sake.
Advocates for driving to a place with baby formula for the newborn baby, instead of a place who ultimately would not have let the adults in.
Advocates going back to the place that we led an enormous horde towards and lost several people trying to escape in the first place. And instead of dealing with friendly adults who give us free supplies, we deal with crazy mofo and his family who seems eager to rob you.
Saves the life of the wounded child along with the unstable man.
Kenny saved Clem. If he hadn't gotten the truck working then Clem would've gone into shock or hypothermia and died before the flashback dream was even over. All Jane did leading up to that point was complain about Kenny.
Carries out a plan that would prevent a probable future death of the unstable man, the child and the newborn baby, at the cost of leaving the unstable man behind and risking her own life. The plan does not work, and either she or the unstable man dies.
It wasn't a plan at all, it was mental fuckery and anyone who supports said fuckery is either not thinking straight or just has an incredibly vindictive personal beef with Kenny.
Looks after the child and the newborn baby for nine days.
Clem obviously did most of the looking there. Kenny also does the same thing. Clem also does the same thing by herself in the alone ending. Jane's role in this amounts to leading them to a walker infested hardware store where a dangerous family immediately accosts you.
Allows a desperate family to take shelter in the same place as her
You should seriously consider going into politics. The sketchy family that threatens you and seems ready to pull a gun on you in order to take your home from you is now "a desperate family [trying] to take shelter in the same place as her". That is adorable... you are once again framing the situation in your own terms and completely disregarding any other facts or information that may prove the contrary.
Nice try but all of your reasons are bullshit and about as false and manipulative as Jane's own rhetoric. I'm a rhetoric major from one of the highest academic universities in the world btw so I cut through your rhetoric like butter and I did it properly.
All hail Kenny!!! Those of us who are on the right side of history do not have to be proven so, we know it in our hearts and minds!
The corrupt morality of Jane—such as when she…
* Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the cons… moretant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
* Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
* Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
* Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
* Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
* Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
* Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
* Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
* Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
* Rescues the drowning child, risking her own life.
* Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
… [view original content]
All of the reasons you provided are half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath and manipulator.
Would you mind elaborating? The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
I am not practicing rhetorical strategies.
People who dislike Kenny for what he does are not fake of heart.
I didn't mean for this to become a comparison of Kenny and Jane, but if you already mentioned him, I am interest on hearing about his selfless and brave actions—and then his immoral actions.
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reasons you provided are hal… moref-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath and manipulator.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reasons you provided are mostly half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath who lets her own sister die and nearly leaves an infant child to die.
She was not able to save her according to the laws of physics, unless Jamie cooperated, and we've heard that her sister was depressed and didn't want to live anymore. Jane didn't have any option other than leaving, and staying to die with her.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me especially since they are pretty much stanky bool shit.
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reasons you provided are hal… moref-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath and manipulator.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
Jane didn't have any option other than leaving, and staying to die with her.
Jane could've saved her sister. You know it, I know it, Jane knows it, everybody knows it. That's why Jane struggles with it so much.... because her sister wasn't taken by bad luck or a random walker under some trash, she was taken because Jane gave up on her.
What does this even mean.
Also I edited that last comment out of my reply to make things a bit more intelligent and respectful.
Original comment
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reaso… morens you provided are mostly half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath who lets her own sister die and nearly leaves an infant child to die.
She was not able to save her according to the laws of physics, unless Jamie cooperated, and we've heard that her sister was depressed and didn't want to live anymore. Jane didn't have any option other than leaving, and staying to die with her.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me especially since they are pretty much stanky bool shit.
What does this even mean.
I know I said I wasn't inviting a debate but your rhetoric and reasoning are absolute garbage and are falsely and purposefully misleading, s… moreo as a rhetoric major and loyal Kennyist I have decided to destroy your false narrative point by point.
Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the constant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group. Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so … [view original content]
The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt.
That is exactly my point... you are leaving things very ambiguous to the point where you can frame Jane in a good light, no matter the situation. If you want to prove a point then you should be expected to at least acknowledge Jane's shortcomings in those situations, something which you failed to do.
I am not practicing rhetorical strategies.
By definition rhetorical strategies are strategies that are intended to convey meaning and persuade the audience. By even attempting to prove Jane's good intent and morality, whether right or wrong you are engaging in rhetorical strategies.
Rhetoric can also be misleading, false, and half-true which is why I am calling you out on your own strategies, whether you realize they are ineffectual or not.
All of the reasons you provided are half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath … moreand manipulator.
Would you mind elaborating? The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
I am not practicing rhetorical strategies.
People who dislike Kenny for what he does are not fake of heart.
I didn't mean for this to become a comparison of Kenny and Jane, but if you already mentioned him, I am interest on hearing about his selfless and brave actions—and then his immoral actions.
"It can't happen! He's the hero Clem deserves, but not the one she needs right now. So they'll hurt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Vengeful Kenny."
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group.
This is only your biased speculation, and it doesn't this negate the fact that she was a forced member of this community. I never claimed that she was there in order to help others.
Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Owen Thomas commented in a video of YouTube that Troy was going to be shown harrassing Jane on-screen, but it was taken off the game. However, there is evidence of sexual themes between them, and it is only logical to hold that it took place off-screen.
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so that she could escape. She wasn't trying to help the group themselves, she's even really creepy and standoffish with the group.
Does this negate the fact that she helped a group of prisoners escape a community? I never claimed that she was best friends with everyone within the escapees. She helped, and that is a fact. Please refrain from making her look bad just because you want to make her look like a manipulative person. It would've been far easier to escape by herself while she was on her shift at the rooftop moving soil.
In the herd you mean? She nearly DOES leave them... it was a close call on that one.
This is not even an argument.
Also she lets Sarah die later so you can't say she cares about other people or even children at all. She let her own sister die, you think anyone else matters to this psycho?
She is the one who saves Sarah twice if prompted by Clementine, all while dealing with memories of leaving her sister behind.
Now, to address the Jamie situation, she did not leave her being willingly. They were cornered in a room with a skylight. Jamie was depressed and she did not want to leave. Jane does not have a way of tossing Jamie through a skylight without her physically cooperating. There is none. So she decides to leave instead of dying next to her. How is this so hard to understand?
And while she's at it, she terrorizes/robs a crippled boy (leading to an ambush on our group) and fucks Luke (resulting in us getting caught unawares by walkers). So she's also the main reason the place and our group was overwhelmed in the first place. Yeah woohoo, you are literally just giving half-truths while completely ignoring her wrongdoing. You deserve a cookie as well.
She finds a place for Rebecca to have the baby and you cannot deny it.
I am not ignoring her wrongdoings. I made a list above about them, too, but you are acting like I am being biased and ignoring everything wrong that she did because I like her.
Uh which one? She definitely lets Sarah die, and she puts Clem in more dangerous situations than she gets her out of.
She saves Sarah twice if prompted by Clementine, while everybody else stands watching. You cannot change that no matter how much you want to. She is willing to risk her life twice to save her from walkers.
She came back because she did the wrong thing in the first place and she fucking knew it. Also, WTF??? SAVED the life of an unstable man? You're a bloody fool if you truly believe that.... Jane's actions result in either her or "the unstable man" being killed. Completely false narrative.
Get out. Please. She killed Vitali just before he was going to shoot Kenny with an assault rifle. She prevented Kenny's death.
Horrified that she saved the group's life, like you just said? Wow, okay. Jane is such a fucking psycho maniac that she feels remorse for a stranger that was going to slaughter her group (because I can't really use the term "friends", can I?), but she will leave her own sister to die or advocate leaving an infant baby to die. F.u.c.k.i.n.g. CRAZY!!!
She has a conscience. How does that make her a fucking psycho maniac?
I already addressed Jamie. I will address AJ below.
Uh not really, she just tries to make Clem think Kenny is crazy and is going to snap. And then she runs off with AJ and does the one thing that drives Kenny crazy and makes him snap, when everything could've been okay leading up to that point. She is the reason Kenny DIDN'T recover sooner, stupid false narrative again.
She tells Clementine at the start of "No Going Back" that Kenny is in a dark place, and that Clementine is the one that's going to have to work to pull him back due to the fact that she is close to him.
A secure place that she immediately makes unsecure by fucking with Arvo and (literally) fucking Luke. Oh btw that "unstable man" was the one who delivered the baby and saved the goddamned day.
I am talking about the power station, not the observation deck.
The same teenager who ambushes a group with a baby and who shoots a young girl and leaves her to die. Yeah..... Kenny was right about Arvo and was right to want to kill him. If he killed Arvo then they wouldn't be robbed and Clem wouldn't have gotten shot. Stupid logic that only looks at less than half of the facts.
I am talking about when she comes to the living room of the unfinished house and shows Kenny that Arvo was telling the truth about there being supplies. This happens after he has robbed them, and before Clementine was shot by him.
And don't change the course of the discussion.
LOL whatever dude, she can barely stand even holding the damn kid. She also abandons the kid in a car during a walker infested snowstorm just to prove a point... AJ could have frozen, been eaten, or Jane could've died without telling them that AJ was in the car. AJ's safety never mattered to Jane, and even in the Jane ending she only helps for Clem's sake.
I am talking about when she looks after AJ while the group stays at the unfinished house. At one point, she even moves him to another room so that he can sleep without hearing Mike and Arvo talk.
Advocates going back to the place that we led an enormous horde towards and lost several people trying to escape in the first place. And instead of dealing with friendly adults who give us free supplies, we deal with crazy mofo and his family who seems eager to rob you.
They didn't know where Wellington was or if it existed.
Kenny saved Clem. If he hadn't gotten the truck working then Clem would've gone into shock or hypothermia and died before the flashback dream was even over. All Jane did leading up to that point was complain about Kenny.
Kenny and Jane worked together to stop her bleeding and successfully save her life by bandaging her wound.
It wasn't a plan at all, it was mental fuckery and anyone who supports said fuckery is either not thinking straight or just has an incredibly vindictive personal beef with Kenny.
Recurs to personal insults? Nice.
Clem obviously did most of the looking there. Kenny also does the same thing. Clem also does the same thing by herself in the alone ending. Jane's role in this amounts to leading them to a walker infested hardware store where a dangerous family immediately accosts you.
I never said that Kenny doesn't do the same.
You are not even attempting to comprehend what I say, so I won't bother to go any further.
Nice try but all of your reasons are bullshit and about as false and manipulative as Jane's own rhetoric. I'm a rhetoric major from one of the highest academic universities in the world btw so I cut through your rhetoric like butter and I did it properly.
I wonder how they let you in, seeing that you recur to personal insult and fail to hear what I have to say, along with ignoring the fact that I made a list on Jane's wrongdoings above. You just want to make somebody who explains Jane's moral actions as a stupid jerk.
All hail Kenny!!! Those of us who are on the right side of history do not have to be proven so, we know it in our hearts and minds!
Seriously, you are the one speaking like a politician.
The saddest thing is that the number of likes are the people who fell for the commenter's manipulation.
I know I said I wasn't inviting a debate but your rhetoric and reasoning are absolute garbage and are falsely and purposefully misleading, s… moreo as a rhetoric major and loyal Kennyist I have decided to destroy your false narrative point by point.
Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the constant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group. Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so … [view original content]
Just imagine if Clem was the one who somehow lost AJ.......keeping in mind what happened after Sarita died.
And that is something yo… moreu can continue to do...imagine. We will never ever know that for sure and all the negative nellies around here, by all means feel free to think what you like. I disagree of course.
This is only your biased speculation, and it doesn't this negate the fact that she was a forced member of this community. I never claimed that she was there in order to help others.
Eh it's not a biased speculation. I'll answer with Jane's words: "You guys better hurry up and get to smearing if you wanna live... or you can die here.Doesn't matter to me."
Owen Thomas commented in a video of YouTube that Troy was going to be shown harrassing Jane on-screen, but . However, there is evidence of sexual themes between them, and it is only logical to hold that it took place off-screen.
Didn't look like she was being harassed, more like she used his dick to get out of the prison. And then she shoots it off. Great morality.
Does this negate the fact that she helped a group of prisoners escape a community? I never claimed that she was best friends with everyone within the escapees. She helped, and that is a fact. Please refrain from making her look bad just because you want to make her look like a manipulative person. It would've been far easier to escape by herself while she was on her shift at the rooftop moving soil.
She didn't really do anything except confirm the smearing-guts plan would work. I didn't see her helping anyone with their escape.
She is the one who saves Sarah twice if prompted by Clementine, all while dealing with memories of leaving her sister behind.
Uh no? She wanted to leave Sarah if i recall and it was Clem who had to save Sarah by slapping her. Great help Jane! Oh and later? You mean where she herself didn't even want to help Sarah and had to be convinced by Clem to even try to save her. Oh and she failed.
Get out. Please. She killed Vitali just before he was going to shoot Kenny with an assault rifle. She prevented Kenny's death.
I agree she saved Kenny, however the whole shootout was her fault in the first place. She robbed a crippled kid remember? Great morality!
She tells Clementine at the start of "No Going Back" that Kenny is in a dark place, and that Clementine is the one that's going to have to work to pull him back due to the fact that she is close to him.
And then she proceeds to undermine Clem's every attempt by antagonizing Kenny further and further.
I am talking about the power station, not the observation deck.
And how the hell is that Jane's accomplishment? Arvo's the one who led them there.
I am talking about when she comes to the living room of the unfinished house and shows Kenny that Arvo was telling the truth about there being supplies. This happens after he has robbed them, and before Clementine was shot by him.
We'll have to disagree there cause I actually advocate Kenny's beating of Arvo. Even if you're nice to him the whole episode he still shoots you. And Jane didn't stop his beating. That was either Clem or Mike.
I am talking about when she looks after AJ while the group stays at the unfinished house. At one point, she even moves him to another room so that he can sleep without hearing Mike and Arvo talk.
How noble of her. I guess we can forget the fact she later leaves him in an abandoned car, completely defenseless.
They didn't know where Wellington was or if it existed.
Buuuuut they knew Howe's was overrun by walkers and possibly still remnants of Carver's group. At that point it was the same risk as finding Wellington. (which existed)
Kenny and Jane worked together to stop her bleeding and successfully save her life by bandaging her wound.
Did Jane help Kenny with the truck that saved Clem's life? Oh wait she berated him for it.
Recurs to personal insults? Nice.
Words on the Internet. Nice.
Look you're obviously giving Jane credit for things she didn't do and twisting the truth so it would help Jane's cause. We state the actual truth. We're right.
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group.
This is only y… moreour biased speculation, and it doesn't this negate the fact that she was a forced member of this community. I never claimed that she was there in order to help others.
Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Owen Thomas commented in a video of YouTube that Troy was going to be shown harrassing Jane on-screen, but it was taken off the game. However, there is evidence of sexual themes between them, and it is only logical to hold that it took place off-screen.
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so that she could escape.… [view original content]
Comments
I didn't even have to click this thread to see who made it.
janiac
noun
Term popularly used to describe the person who likes Jane, the character in The Walking Dead: Season Two by Telltale.
Etymology traces back to the noun Jane and the adjective maniac.
kensplainer
noun
Term popularly used to describe the person who likes Kenny, the character in The Walking Dead: Season One and Season Two by Telltale.
Etymology traces back to the noun Ken and the adjective explainer.
Well of course not it had my name under it until you posted.
What I mean was you've been making a lot of threads about people's ending of Season 2.
Touché.
I tried to explain everything about Kenny before. I am not saying Jane deserve to die. But in the the end she had done stupid things for herself more than Clem. Its all about choice matter
Just imagine if Clem was the one who somehow lost AJ.......keeping in mind what happened after Sarita died.
What do you mean? Did he slapped Clem? His reactions have reasons. I explained that before. He later apologized for those things to Clem. I know it's hard for you to understand that. You better try again to understand that
Twd Kenny thread
Just imagine......
Just try to understand instead of giving up on anyone
K
The doctrine of the Kennyists will not be defined by the corrupt morality of Jane and her followers. Those who have witnessed the divine transformation of Kenny know the ultimate truth for themselves.
"Kensplainers, you got some splainin' to do!"
The corrupt morality of Jane—such as when she…
Willingly works in a community while being kept as prisoner, while undergoing the constant sexual harassment of one of the inhabitants.
Helps a group of prisoners escape the man who they consider to be tyrant.
Saves the lives of a child and a pregnant woman.
Finds a place for said pregnant woman to undergo labor.
Saves the lives of a traumatized teenager twice.
Comes back to a group who she doesn't owe anything and saves the life of an unstable man.
Is horrified that she killed one man who did not harm her, which is more than what virtually anybody else has shown in the entire two seasons.
Convinces the child to help said unstable man recover.
Finds a secure place for the group to stay along with the unstable man.
Rescues the drowning child, risking her own life.
Convinces the unstable man to refrain from continuing to punch a teenager.
Looks after the newborn baby.
Advocates for driving to a place with baby formula for the newborn baby, instead of a place who ultimately would not have let the adults in.
Saves the life of the wounded child along with the unstable man.
Carries out a plan that would prevent a probable future death of the unstable man, the child and the newborn baby, at the cost of leaving the unstable man behind and risking her own life. The plan does not work, and either she or the unstable man dies.
Looks after the child and the newborn baby for nine days.
Allows a desperate family to take shelter in the same place as her.
And now please list her negative points because there certainly are those lol. Just saying because you know, if you can list negative things about say Kenny for example, i thought we could even out here as well.
Hahahahaha I was not inviting any Janiacs into a futile debate with a pure Kennyist such as myself. All of the reasons you provided are half-truths and false narratives anyways, typical strategies for a person who follows a known sociopath and manipulator.
True Kennyists are in the right, your rhetorical strategies will not work on me or anyone true of heart, especially since they don't hold any weight compared to the selfless and brave actions of Kenny.
And that is something you can continue to do...imagine. We will never ever know that for sure and all the negative nellies around here, by all means feel free to think what you like. I disagree of course.
Or you could just call them Kenny fans.
For sure, Dan!
The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt. Her numerous good deeds in her short appearance in the series prevent her morality to be considered deficient.
Time for the immoral acts of Jane.
Helps a group of prisoners escape, contributing to the death of the leader of the community and the multiple innocent inhabitants.
Incapacitates and leaves to be devoured the man who sexually harassed her.
Threatens a handicapped teenager.
Steals the gun from the handicapped teenager.
Prompts the child to steal from the handicapped teenager, in order to calm the suffering of the pregnant woman, the unstable man, and another young man.
Kills an innocent man.
Allows Clementine to have a drink.
Misleads the unstable man about the whereabouts of the newborn baby as a part of her plan, contributing to his rage.
.
I know I said I wasn't inviting a debate but your rhetoric and reasoning are absolute garbage and are falsely and purposefully misleading, so as a rhetoric major and loyal Kennyist I have decided to destroy your false narrative point by point.
She worked for her own self-interest in order to escape, not because she wanted to help others or be part of a group. Also, we have no evidence of her undergoing sexual abuse, just that she had plans to escape with Troy by implying that she'd fuck him. Considering she fucks Luke later for no reason, lets keep things in character and assume things were consensual. Also, she shot a man's dick off. MORALITY DEFINED!!!!
Again, she was acting in her own self-interest so that she could escape. She wasn't trying to help the group themselves, she's even really creepy and standoffish with the group.
In the herd you mean? She nearly DOES leave them... it was a close call on that one. Also she lets Sarah die later so you can't say she cares about other people or even children at all. She let her own sister die, you think anyone else matters to this psycho?
And while she's at it, she terrorizes/robs a crippled boy (leading to an ambush on our group) and fucks Luke (resulting in us getting caught unawares by walkers). So she's also the main reason the place and our group was overwhelmed in the first place. Yeah woohoo, you are literally just giving half-truths while completely ignoring her wrongdoing. You deserve a cookie as well.
Uh which one? She definitely lets Sarah die, and she puts Clem in more dangerous situations than she gets her out of.
She came back because she did the wrong thing in the first place and she fucking knew it. Also, WTF??? SAVED the life of an unstable man? You're a bloody fool if you truly believe that.... Jane's actions result in either her or "the unstable man" being killed. Completely false narrative.
Horrified that she saved the group's life, like you just said? Wow, okay. Jane is such a fucking psycho maniac that she feels remorse for a stranger that was going to slaughter her group (because I can't really use the term "friends", can I?), but she will leave her own sister to die or advocate leaving an infant baby to die. F.u.c.k.i.n.g. CRAZY!!!
Uh not really, she just tries to make Clem think Kenny is crazy and is going to snap. And then she runs off with AJ and does the one thing that drives Kenny crazy and makes him snap, when everything could've been okay leading up to that point. She is the reason Kenny DIDN'T recover sooner, stupid false narrative again.
A secure place that she immediately makes unsecure by fucking with Arvo and (literally) fucking Luke. Oh btw that "unstable man" was the one who delivered the baby and saved the goddamned day.
The same teenager who ambushes a group with a baby and who shoots a young girl and leaves her to die. Yeah..... Kenny was right about Arvo and was right to want to kill him. If he killed Arvo then they wouldn't be robbed and Clem wouldn't have gotten shot. Stupid logic that only looks at less than half of the facts.
LOL whatever dude, she can barely stand even holding the damn kid. She also abandons the kid in a car during a walker infested snowstorm just to prove a point... AJ could have frozen, been eaten, or Jane could've died without telling them that AJ was in the car. AJ's safety never mattered to Jane, and even in the Jane ending she only helps for Clem's sake.
Advocates going back to the place that we led an enormous horde towards and lost several people trying to escape in the first place. And instead of dealing with friendly adults who give us free supplies, we deal with crazy mofo and his family who seems eager to rob you.
Kenny saved Clem. If he hadn't gotten the truck working then Clem would've gone into shock or hypothermia and died before the flashback dream was even over. All Jane did leading up to that point was complain about Kenny.
It wasn't a plan at all, it was mental fuckery and anyone who supports said fuckery is either not thinking straight or just has an incredibly vindictive personal beef with Kenny.
Clem obviously did most of the looking there. Kenny also does the same thing. Clem also does the same thing by herself in the alone ending. Jane's role in this amounts to leading them to a walker infested hardware store where a dangerous family immediately accosts you.
You should seriously consider going into politics. The sketchy family that threatens you and seems ready to pull a gun on you in order to take your home from you is now "a desperate family [trying] to take shelter in the same place as her". That is adorable... you are once again framing the situation in your own terms and completely disregarding any other facts or information that may prove the contrary.
Nice try but all of your reasons are bullshit and about as false and manipulative as Jane's own rhetoric. I'm a rhetoric major from one of the highest academic universities in the world btw so I cut through your rhetoric like butter and I did it properly.
All hail Kenny!!! Those of us who are on the right side of history do not have to be proven so, we know it in our hearts and minds!
Would you mind elaborating? The point of my first list was to show that, at most, her morality should be considered ambiguous, not corrupt.
I am not practicing rhetorical strategies.
People who dislike Kenny for what he does are not fake of heart.
I didn't mean for this to become a comparison of Kenny and Jane, but if you already mentioned him, I am interest on hearing about his selfless and brave actions—and then his immoral actions.
She was not able to save her according to the laws of physics, unless Jamie cooperated, and we've heard that her sister was depressed and didn't want to live anymore. Jane didn't have any option other than leaving, and staying to die with her.
What does this even mean.
Jane could've saved her sister. You know it, I know it, Jane knows it, everybody knows it. That's why Jane struggles with it so much.... because her sister wasn't taken by bad luck or a random walker under some trash, she was taken because Jane gave up on her.
Also I edited that last comment out of my reply to make things a bit more intelligent and respectful.
** HAIL KENNETH THE PUNISHED **
Doesn't quite have the ring to it.
That is exactly my point... you are leaving things very ambiguous to the point where you can frame Jane in a good light, no matter the situation. If you want to prove a point then you should be expected to at least acknowledge Jane's shortcomings in those situations, something which you failed to do.
By definition rhetorical strategies are strategies that are intended to convey meaning and persuade the audience. By even attempting to prove Jane's good intent and morality, whether right or wrong you are engaging in rhetorical strategies.
Rhetoric can also be misleading, false, and half-true which is why I am calling you out on your own strategies, whether you realize they are ineffectual or not.
Well neither does Kensplainers and Kenny apologists just sounds like you're putting down Kenny fans.
"It can't happen! He's the hero Clem deserves, but not the one she needs right now. So they'll hurt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Vengeful Kenny."
What were you gonna post lol?
The point by point refutation that I have above. I accidentally posted it as a new comment instead of replying.
Ah.
This is only your biased speculation, and it doesn't this negate the fact that she was a forced member of this community. I never claimed that she was there in order to help others.
Owen Thomas commented in a video of YouTube that Troy was going to be shown harrassing Jane on-screen, but it was taken off the game. However, there is evidence of sexual themes between them, and it is only logical to hold that it took place off-screen.
Does this negate the fact that she helped a group of prisoners escape a community? I never claimed that she was best friends with everyone within the escapees. She helped, and that is a fact. Please refrain from making her look bad just because you want to make her look like a manipulative person. It would've been far easier to escape by herself while she was on her shift at the rooftop moving soil.
This is not even an argument.
She is the one who saves Sarah twice if prompted by Clementine, all while dealing with memories of leaving her sister behind.
Now, to address the Jamie situation, she did not leave her being willingly. They were cornered in a room with a skylight. Jamie was depressed and she did not want to leave. Jane does not have a way of tossing Jamie through a skylight without her physically cooperating. There is none. So she decides to leave instead of dying next to her. How is this so hard to understand?
She finds a place for Rebecca to have the baby and you cannot deny it.
I am not ignoring her wrongdoings. I made a list above about them, too, but you are acting like I am being biased and ignoring everything wrong that she did because I like her.
She saves Sarah twice if prompted by Clementine, while everybody else stands watching. You cannot change that no matter how much you want to. She is willing to risk her life twice to save her from walkers.
Get out. Please. She killed Vitali just before he was going to shoot Kenny with an assault rifle. She prevented Kenny's death.
She has a conscience. How does that make her a fucking psycho maniac?
I already addressed Jamie. I will address AJ below.
She tells Clementine at the start of "No Going Back" that Kenny is in a dark place, and that Clementine is the one that's going to have to work to pull him back due to the fact that she is close to him.
I am talking about the power station, not the observation deck.
I am talking about when she comes to the living room of the unfinished house and shows Kenny that Arvo was telling the truth about there being supplies. This happens after he has robbed them, and before Clementine was shot by him.
And don't change the course of the discussion.
I am talking about when she looks after AJ while the group stays at the unfinished house. At one point, she even moves him to another room so that he can sleep without hearing Mike and Arvo talk.
They didn't know where Wellington was or if it existed.
Kenny and Jane worked together to stop her bleeding and successfully save her life by bandaging her wound.
Recurs to personal insults? Nice.
I never said that Kenny doesn't do the same.
You are not even attempting to comprehend what I say, so I won't bother to go any further.
I wonder how they let you in, seeing that you recur to personal insult and fail to hear what I have to say, along with ignoring the fact that I made a list on Jane's wrongdoings above. You just want to make somebody who explains Jane's moral actions as a stupid jerk.
Seriously, you are the one speaking like a politician.
The saddest thing is that the number of likes are the people who fell for the commenter's manipulation.
The level of intelligent manipulation of VengefulKenny and the amount of foolish people that fell for it has me shaking my head right now.
I thought he was being ironic.
What can you expect from Kensplainers, they drink the kool aid and never look back.
Right. Imagine is the wrong word. I'm predicting according to valid facts.
Eh it's not a biased speculation. I'll answer with Jane's words: "You guys better hurry up and get to smearing if you wanna live... or you can die here. Doesn't matter to me."
She didn't really do anything except confirm the smearing-guts plan would work. I didn't see her helping anyone with their escape.
Uh no? She wanted to leave Sarah if i recall and it was Clem who had to save Sarah by slapping her. Great help Jane! Oh and later? You mean where she herself didn't even want to help Sarah and had to be convinced by Clem to even try to save her. Oh and she failed.
I agree she saved Kenny, however the whole shootout was her fault in the first place. She robbed a crippled kid remember? Great morality!
And then she proceeds to undermine Clem's every attempt by antagonizing Kenny further and further.
And how the hell is that Jane's accomplishment? Arvo's the one who led them there.
We'll have to disagree there cause I actually advocate Kenny's beating of Arvo. Even if you're nice to him the whole episode he still shoots you. And Jane didn't stop his beating. That was either Clem or Mike.
How noble of her. I guess we can forget the fact she later leaves him in an abandoned car, completely defenseless.
Buuuuut they knew Howe's was overrun by walkers and possibly still remnants of Carver's group. At that point it was the same risk as finding Wellington. (which existed)
Did Jane help Kenny with the truck that saved Clem's life? Oh wait she berated him for it.
Words on the Internet. Nice.
Look you're obviously giving Jane credit for things she didn't do and twisting the truth so it would help Jane's cause. We state the actual truth. We're right.
[removed]