Sarah. I really don't at all get the hate for her, if anything, she's the most realistic character in the series. She clearly has anxiety an… mored some form of PTSD, severe mental disorders that are very real and very scary, those issues make it hard to be in a public outlet, in a scary situation, or most importantly, a life threatening one. As somebody who has both of these issues and has dealt with them for years, I can 100% relate to Sarah, because she acts in these situations how I act in a bad situation.
I get scared, I shut down, I cry, I give up. Sarah is easily more realistic and definitely more of a tragic character than anyone in Season 2, because what happens to her could happen to millions if a zombie apocalypse were to boot up. And it kind of hurts knowing there's so much hate for her for no reason. She's a scared little girl with a mental sickness, not some asshole who got people killed by being pieces of shit like Kenny or Nick (… [view original content]
Clementine is a young child in the zombie apocalypse who lost her parents, and pretty much most of the people she has cared about. She was forced to grow up to survive. Kenny lost his wife and child at the same time, and he also lost Sarita in Season 2. I refused to leave Kenny in the end of Season 2, because I care for Clem and Kenny so much, and I didn't want them to be separated, as they have been through so much together.
I remembered him sulking and having an attitude every time Lee didn't side with him in Season 1. He can determinately leave Lee to die over a petty disagreement and tries to make him leave Lilly at the motel to be shot by the bandits and Ben at the bell tower to be devoured by walkers.
Most of what you have said above is as you stated "determinant", yet if you actually play the game differently you'll see he's not always volatile and even if you don't side with him on things, there are conversations you can have with him and he isn't 100% volatile as you seem to think:
• On Hershel's farm he isn't volatile at all towards Lee or anyone.
• At the drugstore, he isn't volatile to you when he saves your life after Larry knocks you on your ass.
• At the motor inn in episode 2, Kenny and Lee chat in a civil manner. He may or may not refer back to Hershel's farm but he certainly doesn't act volatile here
• When he is pushing Duck on the swing, Kenny and Lee have a civil discussion about how he was feeling on the journey over to the St Johns. Nothing volatile.
• When Kenny and Kat are discussing about carrying guns in episode 3, Lee and Kenny talk in a civil manner about whatever Lee asks him. Not volatile.
• In episode 4 in the attic after discovering the dead boy, Kenny isn't volatile in anyway here.
• On the hospital roof, if you talk to Kenny, he isn't volatile and the conversation they have here shows how good a person he is and not the asshole some people think he is.
• In the attic when talking to Christa and Lee, he speaks in a calm, civil manner and in no way hostile.
• Kenny isn't volatile when he sacrifices himself for Ben or Christa.
I can probably think of more but my point is, you saying he is "always" volatile is false and not a fact, i'm sorry but it's true. As i said, even siding against him, he still speaks to you in a civil manner at certain times. He is not always horrible though as you labelled him to be.
Anyway that's how you obviously portrayed him, i didn't. That's why we have opinions on his character but i don't agree with you. No harm done i hope
I remembered him sulking and having an attitude every time Lee didn't side with him in Season 1. He can determinately leave Lee to die over … morea petty disagreement and tries to make him leave Lilly at the motel to be shot by the bandits and Ben at the bell tower to be devoured by walkers.
Sarah. I really don't at all get the hate for her, if anything, she's the most realistic character in the series. She clearly has anxiety an… mored some form of PTSD, severe mental disorders that are very real and very scary, those issues make it hard to be in a public outlet, in a scary situation, or most importantly, a life threatening one. As somebody who has both of these issues and has dealt with them for years, I can 100% relate to Sarah, because she acts in these situations how I act in a bad situation.
I get scared, I shut down, I cry, I give up. Sarah is easily more realistic and definitely more of a tragic character than anyone in Season 2, because what happens to her could happen to millions if a zombie apocalypse were to boot up. And it kind of hurts knowing there's so much hate for her for no reason. She's a scared little girl with a mental sickness, not some asshole who got people killed by being pieces of shit like Kenny or Nick (… [view original content]
Kenny, Lilly, Bonnie, Jane, Arvo, Sam Fairbanks, Randall and Norma are the eight sympathetic characters that come to mind.
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And Paige! How could I forget about her!
Perhaps "always" should be replaced with "has a predisposition to be". I don't think Kenny is horrible at all. The point I was trying to make is that he tends to see things only from his point of view and be argumentative/vindictive about it and/or hold a grudge. I apologise if it wasn't worded to your satisfaction, but I feel most people understood what I meant. That predisposition showed itself more frequently after Duck and Katjaa's deaths.
I remembered him sulking and having an attitude every time Lee didn't side with him in Season 1. He can determinately leave Lee to die over … morea petty disagreement and tries to make him leave Lilly at the motel to be shot by the bandits and Ben at the bell tower to be devoured by walkers.
Most of what you have said above is as you stated "determinant", yet if you actually play the game differently you'll see he's not always volatile and even if you don't side with him on things, there are conversations you can have with him and he isn't 100% volatile as you seem to think:
• On Hershel's farm he isn't volatile at all towards Lee or anyone.
• At the drugstore, he isn't volatile to you when he saves your life after Larry knocks you on your ass.
• At the motor inn in episode 2, Kenny and Lee chat in a civil manner. He may or may not refer back to Hershel's farm but he certainly doesn't act volatile here
• When he is pushing Duck … [view original content]
In my own experience, I find Randall to be sympathetic because of how I ultimately found him to appear human. It's an aspect that I found Telltale did really well, despite my initial impression on him.
His role in the massacre to protect the other colonists, Norma's loss of trust over him, his own jealously over Zachary because of Norma's change of mind and some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying are what made go, "oh, they actually handled his character better than I expected," and sure as hell made me sympathize with him.
I know you weren't defending her, and I know it was for comedy and irony. I just really hate Carley and I like to call her out on her bullshit every chance I get.
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I don't know how my comment is interpreted as Carley defense. I've always condemned her accusations over Lilly in t… morehat scene of "Long Road Ahead."
This was supposed to be an irony on how Carley thinks that Lilly is a scared little girl, when we stumble across an actual scared girl in Season Two.
In all fairness, I meant the above post as a joke (Randall's one of my favorite game characters), but even then, I never really saw him as sympathetic. I can understand his intentions to some degree, sure, but not enough to make me feel sympathetic or sorry for him. But to each their own.
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In my own experience, I find Randall to be sympathetic because of how I ultimately found him to appear human. It's … morean aspect that I found Telltale did really well, despite my initial impression on him.
His role in the massacre to protect the other colonists, Norma's loss of trust over him, his own jealously over Zachary because of Norma's change of mind and some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying are what made go, "oh, they actually handled his character better than I expected," and sure as hell made me sympathize with him.
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In my own experience, I find Randall to be sympathetic because of how I ultimately found him to appear human. It's … morean aspect that I found Telltale did really well, despite my initial impression on him.
His role in the massacre to protect the other colonists, Norma's loss of trust over him, his own jealously over Zachary because of Norma's change of mind and some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying are what made go, "oh, they actually handled his character better than I expected," and sure as hell made me sympathize with him.
some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying
So yeah, that is caused just because of some vague hints existing in my mind about him having children that died within the apocalypse.
It's easy to hate Ben because he is a shitbird. But at the same time, if we're honest with ourselves, Ben is a representation of what most of us would look like in a situation like that.
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In my own experience, I find Randall to be sympathetic because of how I ultimately found him to appear human. It's … morean aspect that I found Telltale did really well, despite my initial impression on him.
His role in the massacre to protect the other colonists, Norma's loss of trust over him, his own jealously over Zachary because of Norma's change of mind and some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying are what made go, "oh, they actually handled his character better than I expected," and sure as hell made me sympathize with him.
That's fine and i definitely understand and agree about Kenny being stubborn/argumentative etc. I guess i picked on that word you said as it made it sound like he was always like that when that isn't always the case.. Sorry if there was any offence caused.
Perhaps "always" should be replaced with "has a predisposition to be". I don't think Kenny is horrible at all. The point I was trying to mak… moree is that he tends to see things only from his point of view and be argumentative/vindictive about it and/or hold a grudge. I apologise if it wasn't worded to your satisfaction, but I feel most people understood what I meant. That predisposition showed itself more frequently after Duck and Katjaa's deaths.
That's fine and i definitely understand and agree about Kenny being stubborn/argumentative etc. I guess i picked on that word you said as it… more made it sound like he was always like that when that isn't always the case.. Sorry if there was any offence caused.
I generally have sympathy for these characters due to circumstances that either lead to their instability or their horrific demise in situations where they could have been saved, or for barely getting any recognition for their contribution to the group among the group:
I made a point about how while I didn't like Arvo, I thought it was easy to feel sorry for him since he was at a constant disadvantage. The guy shows up looking like an easy target, gets held up thanks to a (badass) little girl, has his own friends laugh at and push him around, loses his sister in a confrontation he clearly didn't want to be a part of from the getgo, gets abused by Kenny, has all of Carver's former workers take pity on him, and gets treated like this terrible villain in a series of unfortunate events that built up to his one true malicious act when he seemed to just be thrown into situations where he barely had a choice. I even outright called him a plot device after a certain point.
@OneWayNoWay
I can't believe it took me this long for this thread to remind me of my [bombed] Arvo analysis. Might I suggest you do a sequel topic about Characters you felt or feel disdain for...?
In season one I felt sympathy for Lilly after she lost her father even if he was an ass to everyone. Kenny when he lost his family even if I disliked him I liked Katjaa and Duck. Ben despite his many screw-ups. Probably forgot many other characters but those are the most important ones.
In 400 days, the old couple in Russel's story. Eddie when I left him behind. Boyd when he died because I let Roberto go.
In season 2 Nick and Sarah definitively. And Arvo when Kenny treat him like ****.
Michelle. After expressing disbelief that someone with such poor supplies compared to her last "catches" could have lasted so long, stating her belief that you have to be mean in order to survive, and repeatedly demanding that Clementine surrender her hat before boredly dropping the issue, Michelle teases Clementine in a bullying fashion before being startled by Omid unsuccessfully sneaking up on her and accidentally shoots him in the heart, killing him. This causes her to freeze in horror, revealing that her bullying demeanor was just a cover for her true, inexperienced self, and profusely apologizes when Christa barges into the bathroom. I feel bad that she felt like she needed to be mean and hold little girls at gunpoint(despite apparently being taller than Omid) in order to get by. I think she needed someone to be nice to her because it seemed relatively obvious that she was learned bad behavior but didn't really respond much to Clementine's kinder dialogue; at the same time, she seemed to react more nervously to her much crueler behavior.
Greg gets a mention just because he got rapped up in a situation he was too naive to understand. Greg seemed like an anxious boy who followed his sister into danger thinking that they’re the heroes, but didn’t actually have the heart to face it the same way she does;
Fisherman Oak (Michonne). Oak lost his brother and that was the last of his family. He got killed in my playthrough while trying to talk with the antagonist. It was fitting so I kept it.
Kenny. Obvious reasons.
Chuck. He went out like a hero and showed us that good people still existed.
Reggie. I really felt sorry for him only a little by how much torture he had to go through, but in the end he was a coward.
The Stranger. He lost his entire family and went crazy. It was my group's fault, yet I thought that the car was abandoned.
Lee. Lee gets his second chance through the means of an apocalypse. His family disowned him after he was found guilty, then he had to kill his zombie brother in episode 1. His wife divorced him and Clementine is all he has left. He thought he lost his best friend, Kenny, and Lee died as a hero.
Natasha/"Maud". A classic case of We Hardly Knew Ye, Natasha is Arvo’s older sister, who is apparently suffering from what is implied to be sickle cell anemia, and seemingly the voice of reason of the Russian Group. Stated as suffering periodic episodes of pain (most likely through the blockage of tiny blood vessels in the chest and bones), Natasha acts as Arvo's motivation to do what is necessary to help their group get by and keep her in good health, even going as far as to walk a fair distance away from their home alone with some medicine to stash it away. Despite having this sickness, Natasha still accompanies the group to ambush the Howe’s Ski Cabin group, as it was her medicine at stake in the first place and the fact that it and her little brother were threatened by Jane and Clementine no doubt angered her. Natasha casually reveals herself first rather than last if Kenny and Luke calmly tells Arvo that they don’t think he’s alone after being warned that he might be mad at them by Clementine. Confirming with her brother that these are the people that robbed him, she helps her group figure out how to punish them for their offense, encouraging Arvo to stand his ground should Clementine's suggestion that he tell his group to just lower their weapons so they can all calm down causes him to freeze with uncertainty. Sensible enough to recognize how badly this situation will turn out, Natasha shows a no-nonsense side when she hysterically demands Kenny and Bonnie to lower their guns, but unfortunately becomes the second casualty when the recently turned Rebecca causes Clementine/Kenny to unintentionally start the firefight. Due to Arvo's desperate attempts to revive her being interrupted by Kenny attempts to draw out Vitali, Natasha soon turns and, apparently drawn by the baby's crying to ignore Kenny and Arvo's struggle, her walker crawls her way towards Clementine's cover, causing her to be put down by the girl in self-defense. While Natasha's exact nature under normal circumstances is unknown, it is implied that she was a very supportive of Arvo, who gradually falls into grief-fueled state of anger that eventually causes him to shoot Clementine in spite of his previous reluctance to even draw on her.
Do you mind explaining why? I can't see why one would hate Carley, honestly. She saves your life various times and the only bad thing she ever did (if it can even be considered 'bad') was telling Lilly that she was being an asshole in an agressive manner.
Do you mind explaining why? I can't see why one would hate Carley, honestly. She saves your life various times and the only bad thing she ev… moreer did (if it can even be considered 'bad') was telling Lilly that she was being an asshole in an agressive manner.
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Clementine is a young child in the zombie apocalypse who lost her parents, and pretty much most of the people she has cared about. She was forced to grow up to survive. Kenny lost his wife and child at the same time, and he also lost Sarita in Season 2. I refused to leave Kenny in the end of Season 2, because I care for Clem and Kenny so much, and I didn't want them to be separated, as they have been through so much together.
Most of what you have said above is as you stated "determinant", yet if you actually play the game differently you'll see he's not always volatile and even if you don't side with him on things, there are conversations you can have with him and he isn't 100% volatile as you seem to think:
• On Hershel's farm he isn't volatile at all towards Lee or anyone.
• At the drugstore, he isn't volatile to you when he saves your life after Larry knocks you on your ass.
• At the motor inn in episode 2, Kenny and Lee chat in a civil manner. He may or may not refer back to Hershel's farm but he certainly doesn't act volatile here
• When he is pushing Duck on the swing, Kenny and Lee have a civil discussion about how he was feeling on the journey over to the St Johns. Nothing volatile.
• When Kenny and Kat are discussing about carrying guns in episode 3, Lee and Kenny talk in a civil manner about whatever Lee asks him. Not volatile.
• In episode 4 in the attic after discovering the dead boy, Kenny isn't volatile in anyway here.
• On the hospital roof, if you talk to Kenny, he isn't volatile and the conversation they have here shows how good a person he is and not the asshole some people think he is.
• In the attic when talking to Christa and Lee, he speaks in a calm, civil manner and in no way hostile.
• Kenny isn't volatile when he sacrifices himself for Ben or Christa.
I can probably think of more but my point is, you saying he is "always" volatile is false and not a fact, i'm sorry but it's true. As i said, even siding against him, he still speaks to you in a civil manner at certain times. He is not always horrible though as you labelled him to be.
Anyway that's how you obviously portrayed him, i didn't. That's why we have opinions on his character but i don't agree with you. No harm done i hope
Kenny, Lilly, Bonnie, Jane, Arvo, Sam Fairbanks, Randall and Norma are the eight sympathetic characters that come to mind.
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And Paige! How could I forget about her!
Carley disagrees.
She says that the scared little girl is Lilly.
Yeah but Carley is the real stupid one in the game. Shit, she doesn't know how to use bateries!
Also, she's a bitch.
Yeah, well Carley is a shit-tastic character that deserved to die on the side of the road for being a bitch for no reason at the wrong time.
Perhaps "always" should be replaced with "has a predisposition to be". I don't think Kenny is horrible at all. The point I was trying to make is that he tends to see things only from his point of view and be argumentative/vindictive about it and/or hold a grudge. I apologise if it wasn't worded to your satisfaction, but I feel most people understood what I meant. That predisposition showed itself more frequently after Duck and Katjaa's deaths.
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I don't know how my comment is interpreted as Carley defense. I've always condemned her accusations over Lilly in that scene of "Long Road Ahead."
This was supposed to be an irony on how Carley thinks that Lilly is a scared little girl, when we stumble across an actual scared girl in Season Two.
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In my own experience, I find Randall to be sympathetic because of how I ultimately found him to appear human. It's an aspect that I found Telltale did really well, despite my initial impression on him.
His role in the massacre to protect the other colonists, Norma's loss of trust over him, his own jealously over Zachary because of Norma's change of mind and some vague hints that exist in my mind about his children dying are what made go, "oh, they actually handled his character better than I expected," and sure as hell made me sympathize with him.
I know you weren't defending her, and I know it was for comedy and irony. I just really hate Carley and I like to call her out on her bullshit every chance I get.
In all fairness, I meant the above post as a joke (Randall's one of my favorite game characters), but even then, I never really saw him as sympathetic. I can understand his intentions to some degree, sure, but not enough to make me feel sympathetic or sorry for him. But to each their own.
You almost had me until you said "his children dying." Did I miss something?
So yeah, that is caused just because of some vague hints existing in my mind about him having children that died within the apocalypse.
And that's why I should read the sentence twice before commenting. Gotcha!
It's easy to hate Ben because he is a shitbird. But at the same time, if we're honest with ourselves, Ben is a representation of what most of us would look like in a situation like that.
Don't worry about it.
This gif always terrifies me.
I thought the exact same thing!
That's fine and i definitely understand and agree about Kenny being stubborn/argumentative etc. I guess i picked on that word you said as it made it sound like he was always like that when that isn't always the case.. Sorry if there was any offence caused.
Apology accepted. I can see where there may have been a misunderstanding. You did bring up good points.
I generally have sympathy for these characters due to circumstances that either lead to their instability or their horrific demise in situations where they could have been saved, or for barely getting any recognition for their contribution to the group among the group:
Definitely not the old man. Hands down, Lee Everett because every one is looking to him for guidance even thought he doesn't want to be the leader.
I made a point about how while I didn't like Arvo, I thought it was easy to feel sorry for him since he was at a constant disadvantage. The guy shows up looking like an easy target, gets held up thanks to a (badass) little girl, has his own friends laugh at and push him around, loses his sister in a confrontation he clearly didn't want to be a part of from the getgo, gets abused by Kenny, has all of Carver's former workers take pity on him, and gets treated like this terrible villain in a series of unfortunate events that built up to his one true malicious act when he seemed to just be thrown into situations where he barely had a choice. I even outright called him a plot device after a certain point.
lee,Kenny,Clem
I've been a jerk to Sarah....I wish she didn't die.
@OneWayNoWay
I can't believe it took me this long for this thread to remind me of my [bombed] Arvo analysis. Might I suggest you do a sequel topic about Characters you felt or feel disdain for...?
Yeah, sure. I'll do one soon.
Umm....
Huh. And I thought I was the only one.
In season one I felt sympathy for Lilly after she lost her father even if he was an ass to everyone. Kenny when he lost his family even if I disliked him I liked Katjaa and Duck. Ben despite his many screw-ups. Probably forgot many other characters but those are the most important ones.
In 400 days, the old couple in Russel's story. Eddie when I left him behind. Boyd when he died because I let Roberto go.
In season 2 Nick and Sarah definitively. And Arvo when Kenny treat him like ****.
Michelle. After expressing disbelief that someone with such poor supplies compared to her last "catches" could have lasted so long, stating her belief that you have to be mean in order to survive, and repeatedly demanding that Clementine surrender her hat before boredly dropping the issue, Michelle teases Clementine in a bullying fashion before being startled by Omid unsuccessfully sneaking up on her and accidentally shoots him in the heart, killing him. This causes her to freeze in horror, revealing that her bullying demeanor was just a cover for her true, inexperienced self, and profusely apologizes when Christa barges into the bathroom. I feel bad that she felt like she needed to be mean and hold little girls at gunpoint(despite apparently being taller than Omid) in order to get by. I think she needed someone to be nice to her because it seemed relatively obvious that she was learned bad behavior but didn't really respond much to Clementine's kinder dialogue; at the same time, she seemed to react more nervously to her much crueler behavior.
Greg gets a mention just because he got rapped up in a situation he was too naive to understand. Greg seemed like an anxious boy who followed his sister into danger thinking that they’re the heroes, but didn’t actually have the heart to face it the same way she does;
Fisherman Oak (Michonne). Oak lost his brother and that was the last of his family. He got killed in my playthrough while trying to talk with the antagonist. It was fitting so I kept it.
Kenny. Obvious reasons.
Chuck. He went out like a hero and showed us that good people still existed.
Reggie. I really felt sorry for him only a little by how much torture he had to go through, but in the end he was a coward.
The Stranger. He lost his entire family and went crazy. It was my group's fault, yet I thought that the car was abandoned.
Lee. Lee gets his second chance through the means of an apocalypse. His family disowned him after he was found guilty, then he had to kill his zombie brother in episode 1. His wife divorced him and Clementine is all he has left. He thought he lost his best friend, Kenny, and Lee died as a hero.
Pete
Matthew
And Walter.
Natasha/"Maud". A classic case of We Hardly Knew Ye, Natasha is Arvo’s older sister, who is apparently suffering from what is implied to be sickle cell anemia, and seemingly the voice of reason of the Russian Group. Stated as suffering periodic episodes of pain (most likely through the blockage of tiny blood vessels in the chest and bones), Natasha acts as Arvo's motivation to do what is necessary to help their group get by and keep her in good health, even going as far as to walk a fair distance away from their home alone with some medicine to stash it away. Despite having this sickness, Natasha still accompanies the group to ambush the Howe’s Ski Cabin group, as it was her medicine at stake in the first place and the fact that it and her little brother were threatened by Jane and Clementine no doubt angered her. Natasha casually reveals herself first rather than last if Kenny and Luke calmly tells Arvo that they don’t think he’s alone after being warned that he might be mad at them by Clementine. Confirming with her brother that these are the people that robbed him, she helps her group figure out how to punish them for their offense, encouraging Arvo to stand his ground should Clementine's suggestion that he tell his group to just lower their weapons so they can all calm down causes him to freeze with uncertainty. Sensible enough to recognize how badly this situation will turn out, Natasha shows a no-nonsense side when she hysterically demands Kenny and Bonnie to lower their guns, but unfortunately becomes the second casualty when the recently turned Rebecca causes Clementine/Kenny to unintentionally start the firefight. Due to Arvo's desperate attempts to revive her being interrupted by Kenny attempts to draw out Vitali, Natasha soon turns and, apparently drawn by the baby's crying to ignore Kenny and Arvo's struggle, her walker crawls her way towards Clementine's cover, causing her to be put down by the girl in self-defense. While Natasha's exact nature under normal circumstances is unknown, it is implied that she was a very supportive of Arvo, who gradually falls into grief-fueled state of anger that eventually causes him to shoot Clementine in spite of his previous reluctance to even draw on her.
Then I guess it's a good thing that I fucking hate Carley and don't give a shit about what she says.
MFW I click this thread and see that you're a Carley hater.
Do you mind explaining why? I can't see why one would hate Carley, honestly. She saves your life various times and the only bad thing she ever did (if it can even be considered 'bad') was telling Lilly that she was being an asshole in an agressive manner.
Because she's a bland character and also very, very nosey. And unlike Doug, she isn't selfless. I am, and always will be, a member of the...
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(lol sorry for the multiple edits, I'm trying to fix my post as much as possible)