Its cool. People just lump in the Cabin Group as a whole as being bad without taking the time to consider any of their positives.(Alvin wanting to help Clementine, Luke trying to do right by everyone, Pete being the standout to many, etc.)
You bring a valid point—both of those characters are some of the most relevant ones in "A House Divided" or a subsequent episode. This went through my head and that's why I said "generally speaking."
Haha indeed so as does a determinant Mr Everett lol. It would have been interesting to see if Kenny would try and help her if walkers hadn't shown up and she just appeared. And Lee of course
Well, crap, you are right, Dan.
Unless I take an ace from under my sleeve.
What about Beatrice? It might have been out of pragmatism b… moreecause she was going to die anyway, and I completely understand that stand, but he did leave her behind if Lee doesn't do anything.
Kenny.......truth be told .. has always bothered me as a character to some degree. The troupe of the idiot redneck is so overused everywhere. And here it is at its worst. It's like writers never think that stupid people can be nice or carring. Heck Mrs. St. John comes off as a better person than Kenny! That just feels like a scripting mistake that they doubled down on in S2. The character of Kenny should have died trying to save Ben. However, I love his voice actor so...
If you don't want Kenny in Season 3, then shoot him or leave him in Season 2. Fans of his character deserve to see more of him as much as fans of Clementine, Jane or AJ do to see more of their beloved character.
Kenny.......truth be told .. has always bothered me as a character to some degree. The troupe of the idiot redneck is so overused everywhe… morere. And here it is at its worst. It's like writers never think that stupid people can be nice or carring. Heck Mrs. St. John comes off as a better person than Kenny! That just feels like a scripting mistake that they doubled down on in S2. The character of Kenny should have died trying to save Ben. However, I love his voice actor so...
Well...he wasnt. I mean in season 1 he definitely wasnt, he did some harsh things but none had any evil intentions. Season 2 he gradually got there but he was still helping babies and other people, he didn start hurting others till episode five
Kenny had gone full anti hero
Implying he wasn't one beforehand.
maybe something with them finding arvo
Wouldn't it b… moree some shit if Kenny marched up to Arvo, who is in no position to defend himself...only to decide that's not his fight to fight or who he is anymore?
And like I said this is just a massive 180, Kenny's whole attitude in season 2 is that of denial and him gradually getting more and more okay with doing horrible things for supposed good intentions. I've played the whole two seasons together and this scene just sticks out like a sore thumb and feels out of place. The only way it slightly makes sense if clementine really lays into Kenny after Jane and tells him he is dangerous and threatens to leave. However even then, this ending doesnt feel right.
Personally i think Kenny shows remorse for what he did to Jane and all the other bad things he's done without actually saying so. I say this… more because of what he wants for Clem, the fact he said himself that he doesn't trust himself anymore to keep her safe and he said this to Clem in the Wellington ending:
"You'll meet people. You'll make friends. People better than me. Good people that don't have to look at you and feel ashamed at what they've put you through"
Its like i said, we could also look at this final scene as a way of seeing Kenny open up (as in really letting out his true emotions compared to previous times) for the first time in a powerful way. It may seem like it doesn't feel right but at the same time I feel it is something he'd do anyway.
Ah well, I can't say enough how much I loved this scene though. From a feels point of view, it was probably the only good part of season 2 IMO
And like I said this is just a massive 180, Kenny's whole attitude in season 2 is that of denial and him gradually getting more and more oka… morey with doing horrible things for supposed good intentions. I've played the whole two seasons together and this scene just sticks out like a sore thumb and feels out of place. The only way it slightly makes sense if clementine really lays into Kenny after Jane and tells him he is dangerous and threatens to leave. However even then, this ending doesnt feel right.
Well it wouldn't surprise me if they did what i said because think of the work they need to put in to make it work with 3-4 scenarios. I hope i'm wrong though.
This is my thoughts exactly! I wanna keep Kenny around my Clem as long as possible, it's as respectable as someone who doesn't want him around anymore. That's why our endings should matter. Kudos to you!
If you don't want Kenny in Season 3, then shoot him or leave him in Season 2. Fans of his character deserve to see more of him as much as fans of Clementine, Jane or AJ do to see more of their beloved character.
WRONG. I did not say that Kenny would never desert anyone. I said that Kenny would not desert YOU. Meaning Clementine seeing as how we're talking about Season 2 here. When you have a bond, he will stick his neck out for you no matter the cost. If you're an asshole to him then obviously he isn't going to put his life on the line, especially when he's barely known you for any length of time and you nearly let his son die. Whereas Jane deserted even her own family. That's weak as sh*t and I don't want someone like that in my corner, I'd rather a brash dude like Kenny than a flake like Jane.
he'll also never desert you
Though he advocated to leave Lilly behind at the motel, after she had saved the group by killing the ban… moredit leader by surprise and therefore confusing the rest of robbers. He also left a trapped Lee to fend for himself because of a determinant grudge that he held for over seven days.
Motivations, circumstances and reasoning do not come into play. You said that Kenny would never desert anyone, which has been proven twice to be false.
like Jane did to not only you but her sister too.
Jane could not physically save Jaime without the latter's cooperation, and it is clear that her sister did not want to keep going due to depression. Hence, without being able to convince Jaime, Jane could not make her leave through the skylight, so she decided to continue living instead of dying.
It is common practice to use the word you instead of one in English, so I rightfully understood that you were speaking in general, as in saying that he would never desert anyone. This is proven to be a misunderstanding, so everything is fine—there is no need for excessive capitalization nor extreme insults against a character who has nothing to with what we were discussing.
WRONG. I did not say that Kenny would never desert anyone. I said that Kenny would not desert YOU. Meaning Clementine seeing as how we're ta… morelking about Season 2 here. When you have a bond, he will stick his neck out for you no matter the cost. If you're an asshole to him then obviously he isn't going to put his life on the line, especially when he's barely known you for any length of time and you nearly let his son die. Whereas Jane deserted even her own family. That's weak as sh*t and I don't want someone like that in my corner, I'd rather a brash dude like Kenny than a flake like Jane.
Don't backtrack because you tried to twist my words. 'You' and 'Anyone' are not commonly used as interchangeable words, that's weird of you to try and say. I capitalized for emphasis, there's nothing wrong with that, and Jane was brought into the conversation in the OP, so I then carried on that trend making her part of my branch of conversation.
It is common practice to use the word you instead of one in English, so I rightfully understood that you were speaking in general, as in say… moreing that he would never desert anyone. This is proven to be a misunderstanding, so everything is fine—there is no need for excessive capitalization nor extreme insults against a character who has nothing to with what we were discussing.
I hate Kenny the person, love Kenny the character....if he and Jane are in season 3...they should have the same screen time. Kensplainers are people too!
Don't backtrack because you tried to twist my words. 'You' and 'Anyone' are not commonly used as interchangeable words, that's weird of you … moreto try and say. I capitalized for emphasis, there's nothing wrong with that, and Jane was brought into the conversation in the OP, so I then carried on that trend making her part of my branch of conversation.
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Its cool. People just lump in the Cabin Group as a whole as being bad without taking the time to consider any of their positives.(Alvin wanting to help Clementine, Luke trying to do right by everyone, Pete being the standout to many, etc.)
Haha indeed so as does a determinant Mr Everett lol. It would have been interesting to see if Kenny would try and help her if walkers hadn't shown up and she just appeared. And Lee of course
Kenny.......truth be told .. has always bothered me as a character to some degree. The troupe of the idiot redneck is so overused everywhere. And here it is at its worst. It's like writers never think that stupid people can be nice or carring. Heck Mrs. St. John comes off as a better person than Kenny! That just feels like a scripting mistake that they doubled down on in S2. The character of Kenny should have died trying to save Ben. However, I love his voice actor so...
If you don't want Kenny in Season 3, then shoot him or leave him in Season 2. Fans of his character deserve to see more of him as much as fans of Clementine, Jane or AJ do to see more of their beloved character.
Well, I would'nt call him an idiot, per say; just someone who makes rash decisions without fully reviewing the consequences.
Well, that could be because she is, but that's just the opinion of someone who really enjoyed her.
Well...he wasnt. I mean in season 1 he definitely wasnt, he did some harsh things but none had any evil intentions. Season 2 he gradually got there but he was still helping babies and other people, he didn start hurting others till episode five
And like I said this is just a massive 180, Kenny's whole attitude in season 2 is that of denial and him gradually getting more and more okay with doing horrible things for supposed good intentions. I've played the whole two seasons together and this scene just sticks out like a sore thumb and feels out of place. The only way it slightly makes sense if clementine really lays into Kenny after Jane and tells him he is dangerous and threatens to leave. However even then, this ending doesnt feel right.
Its like i said, we could also look at this final scene as a way of seeing Kenny open up (as in really letting out his true emotions compared to previous times) for the first time in a powerful way. It may seem like it doesn't feel right but at the same time I feel it is something he'd do anyway.
Ah well, I can't say enough how much I loved this scene though. From a feels point of view, it was probably the only good part of season 2 IMO
Well it wouldn't surprise me if they did what i said because think of the work they need to put in to make it work with 3-4 scenarios. I hope i'm wrong though.
This is my thoughts exactly! I wanna keep Kenny around my Clem as long as possible, it's as respectable as someone who doesn't want him around anymore. That's why our endings should matter. Kudos to you!
WRONG. I did not say that Kenny would never desert anyone. I said that Kenny would not desert YOU. Meaning Clementine seeing as how we're talking about Season 2 here. When you have a bond, he will stick his neck out for you no matter the cost. If you're an asshole to him then obviously he isn't going to put his life on the line, especially when he's barely known you for any length of time and you nearly let his son die. Whereas Jane deserted even her own family. That's weak as sh*t and I don't want someone like that in my corner, I'd rather a brash dude like Kenny than a flake like Jane.
It is common practice to use the word you instead of one in English, so I rightfully understood that you were speaking in general, as in saying that he would never desert anyone. This is proven to be a misunderstanding, so everything is fine—there is no need for excessive capitalization nor extreme insults against a character who has nothing to with what we were discussing.
Don't backtrack because you tried to twist my words. 'You' and 'Anyone' are not commonly used as interchangeable words, that's weird of you to try and say. I capitalized for emphasis, there's nothing wrong with that, and Jane was brought into the conversation in the OP, so I then carried on that trend making her part of my branch of conversation.
I hate Kenny the person, love Kenny the character....if he and Jane are in season 3...they should have the same screen time. Kensplainers are people too!
I am not interested in discussing this any further.
I wish you a nice day.