Well, I'm positively neutral on Kenny(though admittedly not as much as I used to be...) and I consider them doing that to be a hasty dick move that could've risked leaving Kenny (and possibly the kids) without any supplies in an incoming blizzard. Yeah, it's technically Arvo's supplies and truck to begin with, but at least leave him enough to store up energy on for a day or two. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean you should be an asshole back! That's the type of thinking that got Carver, eventually Kenny, and/or Jane killed!
Also, as some people brought up, they likely didn't tell Clementine beforehand since not only was it a spur of the moment decision, but she likely has a powerful attachment to Kenny that could ruin their already desperate plan before it's ready, since they didn't even think to look for the keys. If they did successfully convince Clementine to grab AJ and sneak out with them, they would need to get as far away as possible and then keep moving because Kenny would likely come after them for taking the kids. Which just gave me a hilariousmental image.
If Kenny was as bad as they thought, they should've taken the kids by force, or at least not steal all the supplies(they weren't taking a po… morertion but all of them) Between the stealing of the truck and supplies, the group was pretty much guaranteed to die. If you're pro Kenny they stole the truck he fixed and left him Clem to die, if you're anti Kenny they left a bunch of kids with an abusive monster and no supplies(which would surely leave even him more ill tempered and volatile than he was)
It would be easy to take Clementine with them when she asked, that doesn't impress me(what reason would they have to refuse her?) Either way I don't sympathize with them and consider them selfish traitors .
Uh...technically, he didn't know; the herd showed up when Rebecca started screaming her head off, which would've been around the time Jane got da money. And he clearly felt remorse, since not only does he apologize immediately when he realizes what's happening, tries to help out before being told to lead to defense of the observation deck, and suggests they give her plenty of time to rest after she has the baby, but he specifically notes that they shoulda "done right by her" after the fight with the Russians ends.
That's not to say it wasn't an irresponsible move on his part, but at least he clearly tried to help when he was called on.
It did for me, he chose tail over his friends(it would of been one thing if he didn't know they were in danger, but he did) I could've honestly gotten over it if he felt any real remorse.
Not really, "I'm sorry, but I needed it" is a backhanded apology, he wasn't proud of it but he clearly thought it wasn't a big deal. He had … moreto be pressed into an apology, before that he acts like nothing happened, and when he's called out he writes it off as a minor screw up.
After he's caught he doesn't even get that he did something wrong, more mad at Kenny for calling him out than actually feeling bad. Once he see's a bunch of Walker's got past he finally apologizes. Once it's all over he doesn't feel bad anymore and wants to screw Jane again, and is more upset that she left than that he almost got his friends killed.
Actually, I'd say he did get that he did something wrong but had a hard time dealing with the fact that it had some serious repercussions. As I point out in the Kenny vs Jane fight, some people don't like feeling like they're being put on trial, especially if its by someone who either shouldn't have much room to talk or whom they didn't really get along with to begin with. Luke was always acting like someone who wanted to do what was best for everyone else, even if he has to get a raw deal in the process, namely getting his ribs injured by Carver and/or Troy setting up his walkie talkie plan.
As a sign of some of the only major character development that he got, having so many things go wrong despite his attempts to be this heroic leader and brave paragon took its toll on him, and when he was given a offer to take his mind off of everything and enjoy himself for once, he took it. Now the tables have turned and its Kenny, the guy who constantly break rules and engage in reckless behavior in his attempts to protect the people he cares about, who gets to call out Luke talk some sense into him. His being upset at Jane just up and leaving, then going off at Kenny was him not being able to deal with the fact that not only has he failed to protect even his best friend, but he went and selfishly risked everyone's life (but especially Rebecca and determinately Sarah's) for someone who clearly didn't care enough about him to stay. By the time Arvo has become an uneasy "ally" of convenience, Luke admits that he feels like a complete failure because everyone he tried so hard to protect is dead(determinately Alvin), undead (determinately Pete, determinately Nick, Alvin, Carlos, and determinately Sarah), or deader(Pete, Nick, Sarah, Rebecca) but he's not.
I honestly didn't think he was a nice character at all in episode 4, it wasn't even a mistake in the way same way Ben made mistakes. After d… moreoing what he did, he gives the douchiest apology which pretty much amounts to "what I did was bad, but it wasn't a big deal quit picking on me."
Keep in mind he knew Rebecca was in labour, he was given a specific job to do and still went to get laid. It wasn't even really a screw up so much as abandoning his supposed friend(he knew Rebecca was vulnerable) and risking his group's life for pleasure.
After he's caught he doesn't even get that he did something wrong, more mad at Kenny for calling him out than actually feeling bad. Once he see's a bunch of Walker's got past he finally apologizes. Once it's all over he doesn't feel bad anymore and wants to screw Jane again, and is more upset that she left than that he almost got his friends killed.
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I don't "hate" any character in either game, even guys like Carver, Larry, The Stranger or The St John's. All were brilliantly written but I… more don't hate them and i wish people didn't hate anyone really, real or not. There's enough hate in this world.
I liked Luke in Episode 1 and most of Episode 2 until near the end when i felt he abandoned his friends. In Episode 3 he mounted a rescue of his friends (god knows how he made it all the way back to Howe's though?), I appreciated him for doing that. Episode 4 i found him ok up until the sex with Jane thing as it was a very stupid thing to do at the worst possible time. Episode 5 i had no issues with him at all.
I cooled down by the time ep 5 came out, but I cringed at the bit where they brought it up again.
That's because they're joking about the time Jane and Luke caused Rebecca to nearly miscarraged and Sarah to get her face chewed on before being crushed by Clementine because they felt like gettin some. In front of Bonnie, AJ, and Clementine, no less!
Fair enough, I considered Luke's actions more of a betrayal than a harmless screw up, it wasn't like it was generic guard duty and something… more happened the one time he left his post, he knew Rebecca was in labor and was given a specific order related to a crisis situation involving one of his friends and he abandoned it for sex, I cooled down by the time ep 5 came out, but I cringed at the bit where they brought it up again.
Actually, I'd say he did get that he did something wrong but had a hard time dealing with it as a sign of some of the only major character development that he got. Luke was always portrayed as someone attempts to be this heroic leader and brave paragon who wanted to do what was best for everyone else, but circumstances beyond his solo control kept him from being very effective. After having so many things go wrong, even failing to protect his best friend, it took its toll on him, and when he was given a offer to take his mind off of everything and enjoy himself for once, he took it. When it turned out that everyone was put in danger because of this, he immediately apologized and tried to help out by leading defense of the observation deck, and suggesting they give her plenty of time to rest after she has the baby. He had to be "badgered" into apologizing to Kenny after the fact because he wasn't able to deal with the fact that he went and selfishly risked everyone's life (but especially Rebecca and determinately Sarah's) so he could hook up with Jane, someone who clearly didn't care enough about him to stay and just up and left.
As I said, I was able to silently forgive him because, unlike the person who hung him out and left him to dry, Luke has a backlog of going out of his way to help everyone out both in the past and in the future , even doing something like following them when they were taken by Carver without any food or rest so he can bust them out. And I understood his frustrations both before and afterwards considering all the death he tried to help prevent but couldn't do anything about and then having to deal with that on top of his own selfish actions endangering the group. So not only did all these things happen regardless of his input, but he didn't even have much to show for it either. Much like Walter before him, Luke was nice guy who genuinely sought to help others by upholding some virtues and values, a refreshing rarity in this world, but it eventually caught up to him and he started falling into the category of "everyone else".
Honestly, the constant flack I've seen him get regardless of what he does in each individual episode annoys me a bit, hence my exasperated intro in my comment.
Luke had to badgered into an apology, before that he's talking to Clementine like nothing happened and he's more upset that Jane left than that he almost got his friends killed.
It's ok JawaEater, the user that called you nuts (I refuse to say his/her username because of how pathetic i think it is), that person has nothing better to do than be rude to people who like Kenny just because this user is a negative nelly lol. He/she has nothing better to do than talk about the character the person hates most. Laughable really
First no need for insults or personal attacks, second of all I never said Kenny did the right/wrong thing, all that I was saying was Kenny w… moreas trying to rescue his friends, big difference between that and robbing your former friends of there supplies and truck, something that would probably kill them given it's winter time. One's a mistake made while trying to help, the other's betraying your friends.
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
If Kenny had not shot that guy when he did not know.1. How many people where in there. 2. The response of said people to seeing one of their own killed. These are worse lapses in judgment...and there was no apology by Kenneth...at all. And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
The magical blinders you Kensplainers use to keep Saint Kenneth a strategic genius in your minds is awe inspiring.
First no need for insults or personal attacks, second of all I never said Kenny did the right/wrong thing, all that I was saying was Kenny w… moreas trying to rescue his friends, big difference between that and robbing your former friends of there supplies and truck, something that would probably kill them given it's winter time. One's a mistake made while trying to help, the other's betraying your friends.
guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
Oh? And you know this how exactly? The "fact" is that you don't nor will ever know that for sure. If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could have warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad.
And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
Which didn't get spotted by the idiot that was Troy did it? Also I didn't see anyone else in the group trying to do anything in getting the plan in motion. Plus, putting it in her pocket proved right in the end anyway because she ended up going with Bonnie which later allowed her to sneak into the building where she was meant to meet Luke.
There are no "if's or "but's" here and it will always be speculation. Wanna know what would happen if it got spotted in her pocket? Your favourite guy "Kenneth" would still take the blame for it just as he did in the actual game. A selfless act which I don't recall anyone else taking the blame and stepping in to protect Clem.
But of course it's what the majority of anti Kenny fans do which is find anything that could be turned into a negative and nitpick about him. I mean creating a username about him in the negative light in which you have portrayed him speaks volumes really and in my opinion is sad.
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that dec… morek surrounded by walkers.
If Kenny had not shot that guy when he did not know.1. How many people where in there. 2. The response of said people to seeing one of their own killed. These are worse lapses in judgment...and there was no apology by Kenneth...at all. And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
The magical blinders you Kensplainers use to keep Saint Kenneth a strategic genius in your minds is awe inspiring.
Though I will apologise for calling you nuts.
Mike said he would take the walkie to Luke...remember? Also...if Clementine was being taken away from Kenny as she was and Troy had spotted it...she would have been in the torture chair in Carver's office.
guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
Oh? And you know this how exactly? The "fact" is that you d… moreon't nor will ever know that for sure. If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could have warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad.
And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
Which didn't get spotted by the idiot that was Troy did it? Also I didn't see anyone else in the group trying to do anything in getting the plan in motion. Plus, putting it in her pocket proved right in the end anyway because she ended up going with Bonnie which later allowed her to sneak into the building where she was meant to meet Luke.
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I cooled down by the time ep 5 came out, but I cringed at the bit where they brought it up again.
Funnily enough, the campfire scene was probably the only nice thing that happened in the entirety of season 2. That and first arriving at the lodge in Episode 2 and the first 5 minutes of Episode 1 with Omid and Christa
Fair enough, I considered Luke's actions more of a betrayal than a harmless screw up, it wasn't like it was generic guard duty and something… more happened the one time he left his post, he knew Rebecca was in labor and was given a specific order related to a crisis situation involving one of his friends and he abandoned it for sex, I cooled down by the time ep 5 came out, but I cringed at the bit where they brought it up again.
Mike said he would take the walkie to Luke...remember?
In which Kenny says something along the lines of "no offence Mike but i don't know you from Adam" meaning he trusted Clem more to do it. Plus Clem can determinantly agree to it as well.
Also...if Clementine was being taken away from Kenny as she was and Troy had spotted it...she would have been in the torture chair in Carver's office.
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at all for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
Mike said he would take the walkie to Luke...remember? Also...if Clementine was being taken away from Kenny as she was and Troy had spotted it...she would have been in the torture chair in Carver's office.
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that dec… morek surrounded by walkers.
If Kenny had not shot that guy when he did not know.1. How many people where in there. 2. The response of said people to seeing one of their own killed. These are worse lapses in judgment...and there was no apology by Kenneth...at all. And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
The magical blinders you Kensplainers use to keep Saint Kenneth a strategic genius in your minds is awe inspiring.
Though I will apologise for calling you nuts.
He just wanted to have some fun during a bad situation and forget about the whole thing happening, I understand his position. I can't deny that what he did was a mistake, but he apologized and I won't hold a grudge for it. His kindness, bravery and survival skills are valued and outnumber the bad decisions he did.
Well, you said All were brilliant written while saying you don't really hate any character. Characters like Carver and Luke were the reason I said most.
He just wanted to have some fun during a bad situation and forget about the whole thing happening, I understand his position. I can't deny t… morehat what he did was a mistake, but he apologized and I won't hold a grudge for it. His kindness, bravery and survival skills are valued and outnumber the bad decisions he did.
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at all for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
Well no...see Kenny did not know that....amazing that the argument goes both ways. Kenny was putting her at risk when a grown ass man who had just as much desire to escape as anyone was willing to take the risk.
Mike said he would take the walkie to Luke...remember?
In which Kenny says something along the lines of "no offence Mike but i don't… more know you from Adam" meaning he trusted Clem more to do it. Plus Clem can determinantly agree to it as well.
Also...if Clementine was being taken away from Kenny as she was and Troy had spotted it...she would have been in the torture chair in Carver's office.
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at all for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
Well no...see Kenny did not know that...amazing that the argument goes both ways.
Fair enough, so it goes both ways in that sense. So let's agree that neither of us are right but what i said still stands. It's speculation based on what "you" think. Nothing more nothing less.
Kenny was putting her at risk when a grown ass man who had just as much desire to escape as anyone was willing to take the risk.
sigh let's rewind a moment. Who came up with the radio plan? It was Luke right? Word got back to the others and the "whole" group decided on this radio plan, something Kenny was against at first due to the rough shape Luke was in. If anyone was putting her in danger it was Luke and everyone getting her to steal the radio in the first place but of course you don't look at it like that. As i had said, no one else was coming up with anything as to who should take the radio to Luke until Mike and Kenny discussed it. Kenny tells Mike the reasons why Clem should do it:
If Clem asks why Kenny doesn't do it, he responds with this:
And you know what? I agree. I think there's a much bigger chance they'd notice if either the "grown ass man" or Mike "the Lee lookalike" had the radio. The other possibility you ignored or did not consider is that it would be easier for a little girl to slip away unnoticed especially if Mike/Kenny caused a distraction to do so which I think would have been quietly talked about between them had they'd all stayed together if Bonnie hadn't took her away. All of what I said is speculation as i said before but i am giving you my opinions on this and that i disagree with what you said. However, neither of our opinions are wrong.
Oh and the use of boyo....not Irish nor a boy.
Ah say no more. The fact you are saying that you're female has made things clearer to me as to why you don't like Kenny. But that's fine. Sorry for calling you boyo lol
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at a… morell for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
Well no...see Kenny did not know that....amazing that the argument goes both ways. Kenny was putting her at risk when a grown ass man who had just as much desire to escape as anyone was willing to take the risk.
Oh and the use of boyo....not Irish nor a boy.
Explain how "she's" right please? No surprise that you agreed with her though.
If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could have warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad. There is no way you or anyone can know for sure walkers would have surrounded them at the deck. Things could have been very different.
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
Apologies, you're right i did. I should have said from Season 1 that they were all brilliantly written although everyone I said apart from Carver were from season 1. I just felt most of season 2's characters had nothing interesting or memorable about them. I mean what do we know of the backgrounds of say Alvin and Rebecca or Carlos and Sarah? We got some info about Luke and Nick's friendship, even Pete had more background than Alvin, Rebecca, Carlos and Sarah. I just felt the season 2 characters weren't as good as season 1's.
I don't think they were horrifically written though, just not great
Well, you said All were brilliant written while saying you don't really hate any character. Characters like Carver and Luke were the reason I said most.
His character was bland to me. He was that basic nice guy in episodes 1 and 2. By episode 3 and 4 he becomes all wreckless and unlikeable. By episode 5 he's a nice guy again. His character was all over the place with no direction in my opinion, his atrocious death didn't help at all either.
I didn't like any of the new characters in Season 2 except for Pete, Alvin and Kenny's group. Luke and friends were poorly made characters. They let a 11 year old child make the tough choices. They act like children and I also didn't like how Rebecca treated Clem from the start. Pete was killed off way too soon and was a great guy. He reminded me of Chuck from Season 1. I just wanted to stay with Kenny's group from the start as Luke's group are all dead weight. They tried to make Jane like Molly and failed. Molly wasn't selfish or crazy, she just didn't trust many people after Crawford. She did risk her life for Clem and the group. I wanted her to stick around, I didn't feel the same about Jane.
Well it was pretty stupid of him but it was a change from the generic nice guy stuff. I think the writing of his personality would have needed to be changed pretty drastically if he was going to become an interesting character.
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I wasn't mad. Just disappointed.
I'm not gonna hate someone because they had sex.
Well, I'm positively neutral on Kenny(though admittedly not as much as I used to be...) and I consider them doing that to be a hasty dick move that could've risked leaving Kenny (and possibly the kids) without any supplies in an incoming blizzard. Yeah, it's technically Arvo's supplies and truck to begin with, but at least leave him enough to store up energy on for a day or two. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean you should be an asshole back! That's the type of thinking that got Carver, eventually Kenny, and/or Jane killed!
Also, as some people brought up, they likely didn't tell Clementine beforehand since not only was it a spur of the moment decision, but she likely has a powerful attachment to Kenny that could ruin their already desperate plan before it's ready, since they didn't even think to look for the keys. If they did successfully convince Clementine to grab AJ and sneak out with them, they would need to get as far away as possible and then keep moving because Kenny would likely come after them for taking the kids. Which just gave me a hilarious mental image.
Uh...technically, he didn't know; the herd showed up when Rebecca started screaming her head off, which would've been around the time Jane got da money. And he clearly felt remorse, since not only does he apologize immediately when he realizes what's happening, tries to help out before being told to lead to defense of the observation deck, and suggests they give her plenty of time to rest after she has the baby, but he specifically notes that they shoulda "done right by her" after the fight with the Russians ends.
That's not to say it wasn't an irresponsible move on his part, but at least he clearly tried to help when he was called on.
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Actually, I'd say he did get that he did something wrong but had a hard time dealing with the fact that it had some serious repercussions. As I point out in the Kenny vs Jane fight, some people don't like feeling like they're being put on trial, especially if its by someone who either shouldn't have much room to talk or whom they didn't really get along with to begin with. Luke was always acting like someone who wanted to do what was best for everyone else, even if he has to get a raw deal in the process, namely getting his ribs injured by Carver and/or Troy setting up his walkie talkie plan.
As a sign of some of the only major character development that he got, having so many things go wrong despite his attempts to be this heroic leader and brave paragon took its toll on him, and when he was given a offer to take his mind off of everything and enjoy himself for once, he took it. Now the tables have turned and its Kenny, the guy who constantly break rules and engage in reckless behavior in his attempts to protect the people he cares about, who gets to call out Luke talk some sense into him. His being upset at Jane just up and leaving, then going off at Kenny was him not being able to deal with the fact that not only has he failed to protect even his best friend, but he went and selfishly risked everyone's life (but especially Rebecca and determinately Sarah's) for someone who clearly didn't care enough about him to stay. By the time Arvo has become an uneasy "ally" of convenience, Luke admits that he feels like a complete failure because everyone he tried so hard to protect is dead(determinately Alvin), undead (determinately Pete, determinately Nick, Alvin, Carlos, and determinately Sarah), or deader(Pete, Nick, Sarah, Rebecca) but he's not.
Most were brilliantly written. Though I suppose that's up to the individual.
I was pissed at him during it, because of what was happening around him, but honestly I'd accept too.
That's because they're joking about the time Jane and Luke caused Rebecca to nearly miscarraged and Sarah to get her face chewed on before being crushed by Clementine because they felt like gettin some. In front of Bonnie, AJ, and Clementine, no less!
Actually, I'd say he did get that he did something wrong but had a hard time dealing with it as a sign of some of the only major character development that he got. Luke was always portrayed as someone attempts to be this heroic leader and brave paragon who wanted to do what was best for everyone else, but circumstances beyond his solo control kept him from being very effective. After having so many things go wrong, even failing to protect his best friend, it took its toll on him, and when he was given a offer to take his mind off of everything and enjoy himself for once, he took it. When it turned out that everyone was put in danger because of this, he immediately apologized and tried to help out by leading defense of the observation deck, and suggesting they give her plenty of time to rest after she has the baby. He had to be "badgered" into apologizing to Kenny after the fact because he wasn't able to deal with the fact that he went and selfishly risked everyone's life (but especially Rebecca and determinately Sarah's) so he could hook up with Jane, someone who clearly didn't care enough about him to stay and just up and left.
As I said, I was able to silently forgive him because, unlike the person who hung him out and left him to dry, Luke has a backlog of going out of his way to help everyone out both in the past and in the future , even doing something like following them when they were taken by Carver without any food or rest so he can bust them out. And I understood his frustrations both before and afterwards considering all the death he tried to help prevent but couldn't do anything about and then having to deal with that on top of his own selfish actions endangering the group. So not only did all these things happen regardless of his input, but he didn't even have much to show for it either. Much like Walter before him, Luke was nice guy who genuinely sought to help others by upholding some virtues and values, a refreshing rarity in this world, but it eventually caught up to him and he started falling into the category of "everyone else".
Honestly, the constant flack I've seen him get regardless of what he does in each individual episode annoys me a bit, hence my exasperated intro in my comment.
Not at all, I don't see how the situation would've been much different.
Just asking the question mak that's all
It's ok JawaEater, the user that called you nuts (I refuse to say his/her username because of how pathetic i think it is), that person has nothing better to do than be rude to people who like Kenny just because this user is a negative nelly lol. He/she has nothing better to do than talk about the character the person hates most. Laughable really
Exactly
I disliked Luke before and after ep. 4. As I see it, it's Jane I lost respect for after ep.4 because of the Luke incident.
Good question though
Let's look at facts....what Luke did was stupid, but ultimately, even if he was on patrol...guess what....they would still be up on that deck surrounded by walkers.
If Kenny had not shot that guy when he did not know.1. How many people where in there. 2. The response of said people to seeing one of their own killed. These are worse lapses in judgment...and there was no apology by Kenneth...at all. And I have to question the morals of a man who places a stolen walkie talkie in a little girl's jacket without regard to what woulda happened if Troy had spotted it.
The magical blinders you Kensplainers use to keep Saint Kenneth a strategic genius in your minds is awe inspiring.
Though I will apologise for calling you nuts.
Oh? And you know this how exactly? The "fact" is that you don't nor will ever know that for sure. If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could have warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad.
Which didn't get spotted by the idiot that was Troy did it? Also I didn't see anyone else in the group trying to do anything in getting the plan in motion. Plus, putting it in her pocket proved right in the end anyway because she ended up going with Bonnie which later allowed her to sneak into the building where she was meant to meet Luke.
There are no "if's or "but's" here and it will always be speculation. Wanna know what would happen if it got spotted in her pocket? Your favourite guy "Kenneth" would still take the blame for it just as he did in the actual game. A selfless act which I don't recall anyone else taking the blame and stepping in to protect Clem.
But of course it's what the majority of anti Kenny fans do which is find anything that could be turned into a negative and nitpick about him. I mean creating a username about him in the negative light in which you have portrayed him speaks volumes really and in my opinion is sad.
Mike said he would take the walkie to Luke...remember? Also...if Clementine was being taken away from Kenny as she was and Troy had spotted it...she would have been in the torture chair in Carver's office.
Funnily enough, the campfire scene was probably the only nice thing that happened in the entirety of season 2. That and first arriving at the lodge in Episode 2 and the first 5 minutes of Episode 1 with Omid and Christa
Luke and hate don't fit in the same sentence for me.
His timing was poor, but that incident did not define his character, so no.
Most characters were brilliantly written? In season 2??? I highly disagree but season 1 characters IMO were very well written
In which Kenny says something along the lines of "no offence Mike but i don't know you from Adam" meaning he trusted Clem more to do it. Plus Clem can determinantly agree to it as well.
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at all for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
He just wanted to have some fun during a bad situation and forget about the whole thing happening, I understand his position. I can't deny that what he did was a mistake, but he apologized and I won't hold a grudge for it. His kindness, bravery and survival skills are valued and outnumber the bad decisions he did.
Well, you said All were brilliant written while saying you don't really hate any character. Characters like Carver and Luke were the reason I said most.
Seconded.
But not as good as boat
Well no actually because she was taken away by Bonnie in the end after Troy had took her out of the pen. Clem was never alone with Troy at all for him to have even noticed the radio. Kenny would have still stepped in whether you like that or not boyo
Well no...see Kenny did not know that....amazing that the argument goes both ways. Kenny was putting her at risk when a grown ass man who had just as much desire to escape as anyone was willing to take the risk.
Oh and the use of boyo....not Irish nor a boy.
Thank you very much!
Oh really. Now you got a question in one word boat
Fair enough, so it goes both ways in that sense. So let's agree that neither of us are right but what i said still stands. It's speculation based on what "you" think. Nothing more nothing less.
sigh let's rewind a moment. Who came up with the radio plan? It was Luke right? Word got back to the others and the "whole" group decided on this radio plan, something Kenny was against at first due to the rough shape Luke was in. If anyone was putting her in danger it was Luke and everyone getting her to steal the radio in the first place but of course you don't look at it like that. As i had said, no one else was coming up with anything as to who should take the radio to Luke until Mike and Kenny discussed it. Kenny tells Mike the reasons why Clem should do it:
If Clem asks why Kenny doesn't do it, he responds with this:
And you know what? I agree. I think there's a much bigger chance they'd notice if either the "grown ass man" or Mike "the Lee lookalike" had the radio. The other possibility you ignored or did not consider is that it would be easier for a little girl to slip away unnoticed especially if Mike/Kenny caused a distraction to do so which I think would have been quietly talked about between them had they'd all stayed together if Bonnie hadn't took her away. All of what I said is speculation as i said before but i am giving you my opinions on this and that i disagree with what you said. However, neither of our opinions are wrong.
Ah say no more. The fact you are saying that you're female has made things clearer to me as to why you don't like Kenny. But that's fine. Sorry for calling you boyo lol
Explain how "she's" right please? No surprise that you agreed with her though.
If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could have warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad. There is no way you or anyone can know for sure walkers would have surrounded them at the deck. Things could have been very different.
No I disliked him before episode 4.
Apologies, you're right i did. I should have said from Season 1 that they were all brilliantly written although everyone I said apart from Carver were from season 1. I just felt most of season 2's characters had nothing interesting or memorable about them. I mean what do we know of the backgrounds of say Alvin and Rebecca or Carlos and Sarah? We got some info about Luke and Nick's friendship, even Pete had more background than Alvin, Rebecca, Carlos and Sarah. I just felt the season 2 characters weren't as good as season 1's.
I don't think they were horrifically written though, just not great
What are your reasons?
His character was bland to me. He was that basic nice guy in episodes 1 and 2. By episode 3 and 4 he becomes all wreckless and unlikeable. By episode 5 he's a nice guy again. His character was all over the place with no direction in my opinion, his atrocious death didn't help at all either.
I didn't like any of the new characters in Season 2 except for Pete, Alvin and Kenny's group. Luke and friends were poorly made characters. They let a 11 year old child make the tough choices. They act like children and I also didn't like how Rebecca treated Clem from the start. Pete was killed off way too soon and was a great guy. He reminded me of Chuck from Season 1. I just wanted to stay with Kenny's group from the start as Luke's group are all dead weight. They tried to make Jane like Molly and failed. Molly wasn't selfish or crazy, she just didn't trust many people after Crawford. She did risk her life for Clem and the group. I wanted her to stick around, I didn't feel the same about Jane.
Well it was pretty stupid of him but it was a change from the generic nice guy stuff. I think the writing of his personality would have needed to be changed pretty drastically if he was going to become an interesting character.