They were still out in the open where zombies could get them, and he knew her water broke( the whole reason he was given his very important job) He doesn't apologize until Kenny tell's them they almost got eaten.
Uh...technically, he didn't know; the herd showed up when Rebecca started screaming her head off, which would've been around the time Jane g… moreot da money. And he clearly felt remorse, since not only does he apologize immediately when he realizes what's happening, tries to help out before being told to lead to defense of the observation deck, and suggests they give her plenty of time to rest after she has the baby, but he specifically notes that they shoulda "done right by her" after the fight with the Russians ends.
That's not to say it wasn't an irresponsible move on his part, but at least he clearly tried to help when he was called on.
After he's caught he doesn't even get that he did something wrong, more mad at Kenny for calling him out than actually feeling bad. Once he … moresee's a bunch of Walker's got past he finally apologizes. Once it's all over he doesn't feel bad anymore and wants to screw Jane again, and is more upset that she left than that he almost got his friends killed.
Actually, I'd say he did get that he did something wrong but had a hard time dealing with the fact that it had some serious repercussions. As I point out in the Kenny vs Jane fight, some people don't like feeling like they're being put on trial, especially if its by someone who either shouldn't have much room to talk or whom they didn't really get along with to begin with. Luke was always acting like someone who wanted to do what was best for everyone else, even if he has to get a raw deal in the process, namely getting his ribs injured by Carver and/or Troy setting up his walkie talkie pl… [view original content]
What were Clementine and Jane and Bonnie and Mike looking for? A place to have the baby....Luke being on patrol would not change the fact that a small herd was coming at them. It could be argued that the promise of sex helped Luke and Jane get the lock off faster...but that is just wild speculation. The facts are....
1. The Deck was always going to be the area to have the baby.
2. That herd was coming no matter what.
3. Kenny was actually useful.
4. Luke and Jane having sex was dumb but in the end...understandable and harmless...unless 9 months down the line Jane had a child.
So no Luke deserves no hate....a smack upside the head...sure.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
And being a woman has nothing to do with disliking Kenny. No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
Explain how "she's" right please? No surprise that you agreed with her though.
If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could hav… moree warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad. There is no way you or anyone can know for sure walkers would have surrounded them at the deck. Things could have been very different.
Well, to be fair, its not like he had much time to apologize anyway. Everyone rushing up onto the deck confused him at first and he and Kenny never got along to begin with, so of course he'd get defensive when he starting yelling at him.
They were still out in the open where zombies could get them, and he knew her water broke( the whole reason he was given his very important job) He doesn't apologize until Kenny tell's them they almost got eaten.
Oh sure, it was sort of a big deal. The distinction is that no one thankfully got hurt and there weren't that many immediate drawbacks besides Jane and Sarah being too slow.
Now if you wanna talk about getting off(lol) too easy, that's Jane!
Objectively, Rebecca was going to undergo labor regardless of external factors, and that means that she would scream like she now does either way, which would consequentially attract nearby walkers even if these were not following our group beforehand.
I only backed up the claims made by @Kennyshouldadiedins1 that walkers would be about surround them either way. Never did I say that these would be more or less than in the canon scenario.
Explain how "she's" right please? No surprise that you agreed with her though.
If Luke had been keeping an eye out for them, he could hav… moree warned the group quietly before hand and maybe things wouldn't have been as bad. There is no way you or anyone can know for sure walkers would have surrounded them at the deck. Things could have been very different.
The Walking Dead: Season 2 itself had signs of inconsistent writing and clichés. I do agree that the direction Telltale was taking for Luke was non-existent. However, his character appeared to be quite interesting to me in Episode 1, he seemed like a nice guy who takes care of his friends and is fun to hang around with. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I like this types of characters, I'm sorry you didn't like him.
His character was bland to me. He was that basic nice guy in episodes 1 and 2. By episode 3 and 4 he becomes all wreckless and unlikeable. B… morey episode 5 he's a nice guy again. His character was all over the place with no direction in my opinion, his atrocious death didn't help at all either.
Where I was getting at is that @JawaEater has replied personally to every person on the thread with a different opinion to his, instead of discussing the topic with a few and letting the others join if they want.
I found it humorous considering that he clarified that he was not intending to start arguments nor debates, in the description of the thread, but he is doing just that. And several times.
They were lucky to make it back to the deck, Luke should've been watching out for zombies(if he was on patrol he would of seen the Zombies) the group could of been eaten before making it back. Luke knew Rebecca was in labour, he knew that he had a job to do, he knew they were in an open environment, and he chose to screw Jane anyway. He chose sex over making sure his friends were safe, it wasn't harmless. It wasn't even a mistake or screw up in the same way other more hated characters like Ben make them.
They would still end up at the deck, but they could of gotten there quicker and before they were being chased, which would've given them more time to plan, maybe things would've gone the same but it's not a guarantee that would it of been as bad.
What were Clementine and Jane and Bonnie and Mike looking for? A place to have the baby....Luke being on patrol would not change the fact t… morehat a small herd was coming at them. It could be argued that the promise of sex helped Luke and Jane get the lock off faster...but that is just wild speculation. The facts are....
1. The Deck was always going to be the area to have the baby.
2. That herd was coming no matter what.
3. Kenny was actually useful.
4. Luke and Jane having sex was dumb but in the end...understandable and harmless...unless 9 months down the line Jane had a child.
So no Luke deserves no hate....a smack upside the head...sure.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
And being a woman has nothing to do with disliking Kenny. No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
They were lucky to make it back to the deck, Luke should've been watching out for zombies(if he was on patrol he would of seen the Zombies) … morethe group could of been eaten before making it back. Luke knew Rebecca was in labour, he knew that he had a job to do, he knew they were in an open environment, and he chose to screw Jane anyway. He chose sex over making sure his friends were safe, it wasn't harmless. It wasn't even a mistake or screw up in the same way other more hated characters like Ben make them.
They would still end up at the deck, but they could of gotten there quicker and before they were being chased, which would've given them more time to plan, maybe things would've gone the same but it's not a guarantee that would it of been as bad.
Objectively, Rebecca was going to undergo labor regardless of external factors, and that means that she would scream like she now does eithe… morer way, which would consequentially attract nearby walkers even if these were not following our group beforehand.
I only backed up the claims made by @Kennyshouldadiedins1 that walkers would be about surround them either way. Never did I say that these would be more or less than in the canon scenario.
I doubt the group could've come up with something to prevent Rebecca from screaming. The only alternative that I see would've been knocking her unconscious somehow, but that would prove to be dangerous for both her and the newborn.
Ah. I'd say there was definitely room for exposition and potential for development, particularly where Nick and Sarah are concerned since they arguably get the most compared to their character focus. But you're right, Season 2 had a recurring issue when it came to not following up on characters and plot elements after they are set up.
Though, to be fair, its not like Duck had the most epic backstory either.
Apologies, you're right i did. I should have said from Season 1 that they were all brilliantly written although everyone I said apart from C… morearver were from season 1. I just felt most of season 2's characters had nothing interesting or memorable about them. I mean what do we know of the backgrounds of say Alvin and Rebecca or Carlos and Sarah? We got some info about Luke and Nick's friendship, even Pete had more background than Alvin, Rebecca, Carlos and Sarah. I just felt the season 2 characters weren't as good as season 1's.
I don't think they were horrifically written though, just not great
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
Really? And where was it Troy was when he first put Clem to work with Kenny and Mike near the start of episode 3? He was standing OUTSIDE on the ROOF!! Yeah that's watching them really closely!
As i said, Clem could easily have slipped past or hid given the fact shes a kid. Call it what you want but it's not bullshit to me.
No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
Haha you see this exactly what you get from a typical Kenny hater.
The guy hurts someone's feelings because he has the balls to speak his mind on what he feels is best (even when sometimes it's not which i as a fan ADMITS) for someone or the group thus showing his "honest asshole" side. And because of his straight forward way of thinking which comes across as "mean" or "rude" or "arrogant"'etc, you get people such as yourself holding grudges forever and a day, never letting something go, never showing people forgiveness for rash actions here and there or even looking at things from another view point instead of the same "my god he killed someone, what a dick" grudge people hold on to or "he said fuck you Lee, bahh gawd i hate this guy"
Let me just say about Larry. Killing is wrong obviously but everyone in the fucking apocalypse has to do it in order to survive and this is Larry we're talking about, you know the guy who knocked Lee on his ass leaving him to die for no good reason except for what he had read or saw on the news most likely. From day one he didn't even give Lee a chance and was literally horrible every single sentence to him AND to everyone else too. Why would you care about what happens to someone like that? Seriously? At least when Kenny is horrible to you it's always for a good reason. I don't intend to sound heartless about Larry and I know that it wasn't a nice scene in the meat locker and Kenny rushed into the decision but it's fucking Larry here lol! Larry wouldn't have tried to save Lee if it was the other way around I can tell you that. And people really should try to understand why he did what he did to Larry instead of a narrow minded view which is because he wanted him dead, or whatever else the anti fans reasonings are. He was scared, thought he was going to turn and wanted to keep himself and everyone else safe. People's feelings are not as important if it comes down to risking your own life and i'm sorry, call me what you like, but if I was in that room with him, i wouldn't want to risk my life even going near him, although I would have done things differently if there was a chance to.
Sorry if you don't like me or what i've said but i feel very strongly on this subject as well as about one of my favourite characters. I am sure you can relate and i hope I have not offended you. Sometimes it's hard to keep quiet
What were Clementine and Jane and Bonnie and Mike looking for? A place to have the baby....Luke being on patrol would not change the fact t… morehat a small herd was coming at them. It could be argued that the promise of sex helped Luke and Jane get the lock off faster...but that is just wild speculation. The facts are....
1. The Deck was always going to be the area to have the baby.
2. That herd was coming no matter what.
3. Kenny was actually useful.
4. Luke and Jane having sex was dumb but in the end...understandable and harmless...unless 9 months down the line Jane had a child.
So no Luke deserves no hate....a smack upside the head...sure.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
And being a woman has nothing to do with disliking Kenny. No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
I doubt the group could've come up with something to prevent Rebecca from screaming.
Gagged her? Lol. I'm sorry but i still think with some advanced warning they could have prevented it. Even if one of the group tried to make the walkers follow him/her to lead them away from the observation deck
I doubt the group could've come up with something to prevent Rebecca from screaming. The only alternative that I see would've been knocking her unconscious somehow, but that would prove to be dangerous for both her and the newborn.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the… more class of bullshit excuse.
Really? And where was it Troy was when he first put Clem to work with Kenny and Mike near the start of episode 3? He was standing OUTSIDE on the ROOF!! Yeah that's watching them really closely!
As i said, Clem could easily have slipped past or hid given the fact shes a kid. Call it what you want but it's not bullshit to me.
No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
Haha you see this exactly what you get from a typical Kenny hater.
The guy hurts someone's feelings because he has the balls to speak his mind on what he feels is best (even when sometimes it's not which i as a fan ADMITS) for someone or the group thus showing his "honest asshole" side. And because of his straight forward way of thinking which comes across as … [view original content]
Even if one of the group tried to make the walkers follow him/her to lead them away from the observation deck
You know, this is actually what I think Kenny, Mike, or Sarah should've done. Granted, only one of those three would actually think in that situation, but still.
I doubt the group could've come up with something to prevent Rebecca from screaming.
Gagged her? Lol. I'm sorry but i still think wi… moreth some advanced warning they could have prevented it. Even if one of the group tried to make the walkers follow him/her to lead them away from the observation deck
He doesn't apologize until Kenny tells him they have a bunch of zombies trying to kill them, before that he doesn't understand what he did w… moreas wrong and is angry at Kenny for calling him out, after all this he acts like everything's normal and just wants to be with Jane again, his second apology(which he's badgered into) is backhanded excuse making one at best.
What's wrong with that? I'm only responding to people who are responding to me, I didn't force anyone to post on this thread and I'm not attacking anyone personally.
Where I was getting at is that @JawaEater has replied personally to every person on the thread with a different opinion to his, instead of d… moreiscussing the topic with a few and letting the others join if they want.
I found it humorous considering that he clarified that he was not intending to start arguments nor debates, in the description of the thread, but he is doing just that. And several times.
It can be perceive as hypocritical, because you discouraged arguments and debates in the description of the thread, but you are igniting discussions and possibly a few arguments when you reply to everyone who doesn't agree with your view.
Other than that, I don't see anything wrong. It could be said that you are doing a great job at hosting this topic.
What's wrong with that? I'm only responding to people who are responding to me, I didn't force anyone to post on this thread and I'm not attacking anyone personally.
The issue isn't that he's nice--that's refreshing. The issue is that they see him a JUST nice. A problem with Luke is that for all he tries to be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that. No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
Characters like Shawn and Matthew get away with it because of their ties to another character, which gives them some implied backstory. Well, that and the fact that they aren't major characters who get decent spotlight.
Sisyphus understood what arguing with Kensplainer is like. I will not change your mind and you will not change mine..
Funnily enough the same can be said for you, arguing with a Janiac or whatever it is you'd like to call yourself. I'm not trying nor have ever tried to change your mind. I'm merely telling you what you don't want to hear or what you choose to ignore that is all as well as giving my opinions.
you are wrong...but that's cool.
Am i though? Lol, the truth hurts doesn't it?
If i am "wrong" then so are you about "Kensplainers"
The issue isn't that he's nice--that's refreshing. The issue is that they see him a JUST nice. A problem with Luke is that for all he tries … moreto be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that. No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
Characters like Shawn and Matthew get away with it because of their ties to another character, which gives them some implied backstory. Well, that and the fact that they aren't major characters who get decent spotlight.
The thread was to find other people who felt the same way, I didn't wanna tell people who disagreed not to post, so I decided replying was better. I'm only replying to people who where replying to me, I don't see anything wrong with replying to multiple people if multiple people respond to you.
It can be perceive as hypocritical, because you discouraged arguments and debates in the description of the thread, but you are igniting dis… morecussions and possibly a few arguments when you reply to everyone who doesn't agree with your view.
Other than that, I don't see anything wrong. It could be said that you are doing a great job at hosting this topic.
The issue isn't that he's nice--that's refreshing. The issue is that they see him a JUST nice. A problem with Luke is that for all he tries … moreto be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that. No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
Characters like Shawn and Matthew get away with it because of their ties to another character, which gives them some implied backstory. Well, that and the fact that they aren't major characters who get decent spotlight.
This is just my opinion. I had high hopes for season 2, yet without Kirkman, it was a mess. Forgettable characters, characters that were horribly written, questionable plot pieces, etc.
I couldn't agree more. Kirkman will be involved with season 3 like he was with season 1. I only liked the return of Kenny, character growth of Clementine, and that's it. I really hated what happened to Christa and Omid because they were still new characters to us. They showed up at the end of episode 3, season 1, and Omid was incapacitated for most of the season only to die in episode 1 of season 2. Christa also showed promise by episode 5.
The Walking Dead: Season 2 itself had signs of inconsistent writing and clichés. I do agree that the direction Telltale was taking for Luke … morewas non-existent. However, his character appeared to be quite interesting to me in Episode 1, he seemed like a nice guy who takes care of his friends and is fun to hang around with. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I like this types of characters, I'm sorry you didn't like him.
You know, this is actually what I think Kenny, Mike, or Sarah should've done.
Why not Bonnie? Or is Clem not capable of helping a pregnant woman on her own despite being able to drag a 37 year old man into a jewellery store? You know just saying haha
Hey I think even Clem should have done that. She would have been more than capable of distracting them
Even if one of the group tried to make the walkers follow him/her to lead them away from the observation deck
You know, this is actu… moreally what I think Kenny, Mike, or Sarah should've done. Granted, only one of those three would actually think in that situation, but still.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
Let's look at it this way. Kenny and Mike, just one day prior, got into a fight and inadvertently caused a breach. Troy comes to a conclusion that these guys are two idiots that can't handle simple tasks without finding a way to screw it up. So he decides to stay in the same room and watch their each and every move. No one leaves that room, and the second one of them so much as looks at the other wrong, he'll put an end to it.
Luke is waiting in the comic store for the walkie-talkie. If Kenny and Mike are being escorted by Troy to and from the work site, and presumably can only leave the work site if Troy allows it, how is Kenny going to manage to get into the comic store?
Troy has zero reason to trust Kenny to be alone under any circumstance; within the first minute they arrive at Howe's, Kenny slips out of his restraints. The next day, he gets in a fight and causes a breach. He's easily the most defiant of all the prisoners. Troy might be an idiot, but there's no way he's dumb enough to let Kenny do so much as take a piss without watching over him.
There is no believable reason Kenny of all people could somehow slip into the comic store, give the radio to Luke, and slip back out without Troy seeing what he's up to and either beating him into the ground, or going to see what he was doing (busting Luke in the process). Actually, knowing Troy, he'd probably do both, but still.
Mike isn't much better, because he's guilty by association. Though not as defiant as Kenny, he was involved in the breach by proxy, so Troy is no doubt lumping him together with Kenny. If Troy won't let Kenny do anything without his say so, he most likely isn't going to let Mike, either.
That leaves us with Clementine, the one that has arguably attracted the least ire out of all three. The worst Clementine has done was go off into the comic store, but even that can be written off as an innocent action; a kid being a kid. Troy has the least reason to be concerned with Clementine. Given that she's just a young kid, Troy's probably convinced he's got her under his thumb; that she'll listen to him when he tells her to do something, and that she wouldn't try to defy him, unlike someone like Kenny that has repeatedly kept trying to cause trouble despite numerous warnings.
None of them are good choices to get the radio to Luke, as all of them have aroused suspicion in at least some way, be it minor or major. But if I had to choose the one that has the most likelihood of pulling it off, I'd honestly go with Clementine. She has the best chance of not only managing to sneak in, but is the only one of the three that could explain it in a believable fashion. If Troy caught Clementine coming out of the comic store, she would just tell him "My friend Sarah wanted a comic to read!" or some child-like excuse. If Troy was to catch Kenny or Mike coming out of the comic store, however, do you really think he'd buy any excuse that came out of their mouth? He'd most likely buy an excuse from Clementine, although given that he warned her once already, he'd probably smack her, but that's about it. He probably wouldn't even bother checking what she was doing in there. Now if it was Kenny that came out of that store, he'd probably be more suspicious of what he was/is up to.
What were Clementine and Jane and Bonnie and Mike looking for? A place to have the baby....Luke being on patrol would not change the fact t… morehat a small herd was coming at them. It could be argued that the promise of sex helped Luke and Jane get the lock off faster...but that is just wild speculation. The facts are....
1. The Deck was always going to be the area to have the baby.
2. That herd was coming no matter what.
3. Kenny was actually useful.
4. Luke and Jane having sex was dumb but in the end...understandable and harmless...unless 9 months down the line Jane had a child.
So no Luke deserves no hate....a smack upside the head...sure.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
And being a woman has nothing to do with disliking Kenny. No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
Good to hear that Kirkman is back on the series. Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah, it was sad to see Christa and Omid disappear when they were still very new.
This is just my opinion. I had high hopes for season 2, yet without Kirkman, it was a mess. Forgettable characters, characters that were horribly written, questionable plot pieces, etc.
For what it's worth, Kirkman had very little involvement in the development of S1. 95% of development was all Telltale. Kirkman only provided oversight; they would run ideas by him and see if he's okay with them, and they ran an early demo of the game past him, but other than that, Telltale pretty much did everything themselves.
This is just my opinion. I had high hopes for season 2, yet without Kirkman, it was a mess. Forgettable characters, characters that were horribly written, questionable plot pieces, etc.
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They were still out in the open where zombies could get them, and he knew her water broke( the whole reason he was given his very important job) He doesn't apologize until Kenny tell's them they almost got eaten.
Fair enough, I guess I just felt like Luke got off too easy and that it was a bigger deal than a lot of people act like is.
I actually liked all the season 2 characters including Luke until episode 4.
What were Clementine and Jane and Bonnie and Mike looking for? A place to have the baby....Luke being on patrol would not change the fact that a small herd was coming at them. It could be argued that the promise of sex helped Luke and Jane get the lock off faster...but that is just wild speculation. The facts are....
1. The Deck was always going to be the area to have the baby.
2. That herd was coming no matter what.
3. Kenny was actually useful.
4. Luke and Jane having sex was dumb but in the end...understandable and harmless...unless 9 months down the line Jane had a child.
So no Luke deserves no hate....a smack upside the head...sure.
Because he and Mike would be noticed?! Unless I was playing another game than you, they were all being watched equally, so I put that in the class of bullshit excuse.
And being a woman has nothing to do with disliking Kenny. No his murder of Larry and his my way or fuck you attitude is the reason
Well, to be fair, its not like he had much time to apologize anyway. Everyone rushing up onto the deck confused him at first and he and Kenny never got along to begin with, so of course he'd get defensive when he starting yelling at him.
Oh sure, it was sort of a big deal. The distinction is that no one thankfully got hurt and there weren't that many immediate drawbacks besides Jane and Sarah being too slow.
Now if you wanna talk about getting off(lol) too easy, that's Jane!
Objectively, Rebecca was going to undergo labor regardless of external factors, and that means that she would scream like she now does either way, which would consequentially attract nearby walkers even if these were not following our group beforehand.
I only backed up the claims made by @Kennyshouldadiedins1 that walkers would be about surround them either way. Never did I say that these would be more or less than in the canon scenario.
The Walking Dead: Season 2 itself had signs of inconsistent writing and clichés. I do agree that the direction Telltale was taking for Luke was non-existent. However, his character appeared to be quite interesting to me in Episode 1, he seemed like a nice guy who takes care of his friends and is fun to hang around with. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I like this types of characters, I'm sorry you didn't like him.
Where I was getting at is that @JawaEater has replied personally to every person on the thread with a different opinion to his, instead of discussing the topic with a few and letting the others join if they want.
I found it humorous considering that he clarified that he was not intending to start arguments nor debates, in the description of the thread, but he is doing just that. And several times.
I will never forget Luke for cheating on Clementine.
They were lucky to make it back to the deck, Luke should've been watching out for zombies(if he was on patrol he would of seen the Zombies) the group could of been eaten before making it back. Luke knew Rebecca was in labour, he knew that he had a job to do, he knew they were in an open environment, and he chose to screw Jane anyway. He chose sex over making sure his friends were safe, it wasn't harmless. It wasn't even a mistake or screw up in the same way other more hated characters like Ben make them.
They would still end up at the deck, but they could of gotten there quicker and before they were being chased, which would've given them more time to plan, maybe things would've gone the same but it's not a guarantee that would it of been as bad.
Thank you JawaEater, you beat me to it! As you said, had Luke warned them all in advance then things could have possibly been avoided.
Being in that position in the wilderness is a lot more dangerous, if they had a head start maybe they could of planned something.
Clementine: You WHORE!
I doubt the group could've come up with something to prevent Rebecca from screaming. The only alternative that I see would've been knocking her unconscious somehow, but that would prove to be dangerous for both her and the newborn.
Such as? With Bekka having the baby they had limited options.
Ah. I'd say there was definitely room for exposition and potential for development, particularly where Nick and Sarah are concerned since they arguably get the most compared to their character focus. But you're right, Season 2 had a recurring issue when it came to not following up on characters and plot elements after they are set up.
Though, to be fair, its not like Duck had the most epic backstory either.
Really? And where was it Troy was when he first put Clem to work with Kenny and Mike near the start of episode 3? He was standing OUTSIDE on the ROOF!! Yeah that's watching them really closely!
As i said, Clem could easily have slipped past or hid given the fact shes a kid. Call it what you want but it's not bullshit to me.
Haha you see this exactly what you get from a typical Kenny hater.
The guy hurts someone's feelings because he has the balls to speak his mind on what he feels is best (even when sometimes it's not which i as a fan ADMITS) for someone or the group thus showing his "honest asshole" side. And because of his straight forward way of thinking which comes across as "mean" or "rude" or "arrogant"'etc, you get people such as yourself holding grudges forever and a day, never letting something go, never showing people forgiveness for rash actions here and there or even looking at things from another view point instead of the same "my god he killed someone, what a dick" grudge people hold on to or "he said fuck you Lee, bahh gawd i hate this guy"
Let me just say about Larry. Killing is wrong obviously but everyone in the fucking apocalypse has to do it in order to survive and this is Larry we're talking about, you know the guy who knocked Lee on his ass leaving him to die for no good reason except for what he had read or saw on the news most likely. From day one he didn't even give Lee a chance and was literally horrible every single sentence to him AND to everyone else too. Why would you care about what happens to someone like that? Seriously? At least when Kenny is horrible to you it's always for a good reason. I don't intend to sound heartless about Larry and I know that it wasn't a nice scene in the meat locker and Kenny rushed into the decision but it's fucking Larry here lol! Larry wouldn't have tried to save Lee if it was the other way around I can tell you that. And people really should try to understand why he did what he did to Larry instead of a narrow minded view which is because he wanted him dead, or whatever else the anti fans reasonings are. He was scared, thought he was going to turn and wanted to keep himself and everyone else safe. People's feelings are not as important if it comes down to risking your own life and i'm sorry, call me what you like, but if I was in that room with him, i wouldn't want to risk my life even going near him, although I would have done things differently if there was a chance to.
Sorry if you don't like me or what i've said but i feel very strongly on this subject as well as about one of my favourite characters. I am sure you can relate and i hope I have not offended you. Sometimes it's hard to keep quiet
Gagged her? Lol. I'm sorry but i still think with some advanced warning they could have prevented it. Even if one of the group tried to make the walkers follow him/her to lead them away from the observation deck
Sisyphus understood what arguing with Kensplainer is like. I will not change your mind and you will not change mine...you are wrong...but that's cool.
You know, this is actually what I think Kenny, Mike, or Sarah should've done. Granted, only one of those three would actually think in that situation, but still.
So basically my point of him apologizing still stands. Thanks.
What's wrong with that? I'm only responding to people who are responding to me, I didn't force anyone to post on this thread and I'm not attacking anyone personally.
It can be perceive as hypocritical, because you discouraged arguments and debates in the description of the thread, but you are igniting discussions and possibly a few arguments when you reply to everyone who doesn't agree with your view.
Other than that, I don't see anything wrong. It could be said that you are doing a great job at hosting this topic.
I never said he didn't apologize, I was said he wasn't really sorry, there's a difference.
The issue isn't that he's nice--that's refreshing. The issue is that they see him a JUST nice. A problem with Luke is that for all he tries to be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that. No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
Characters like Shawn and Matthew get away with it because of their ties to another character, which gives them some implied backstory. Well, that and the fact that they aren't major characters who get decent spotlight.
Funnily enough the same can be said for you, arguing with a Janiac or whatever it is you'd like to call yourself. I'm not trying nor have ever tried to change your mind. I'm merely telling you what you don't want to hear or what you choose to ignore that is all as well as giving my opinions.
Am i though? Lol, the truth hurts doesn't it?
If i am "wrong" then so are you about "Kensplainers"
That's a reason to dislike the writers, not the character.
The thread was to find other people who felt the same way, I didn't wanna tell people who disagreed not to post, so I decided replying was better. I'm only replying to people who where replying to me, I don't see anything wrong with replying to multiple people if multiple people respond to you.
Its basic to me, Pete was nice but he wasn't boring like Luke was.
Exactly.
Luke had sex and I didn't blame him for it.
This is just my opinion. I had high hopes for season 2, yet without Kirkman, it was a mess. Forgettable characters, characters that were horribly written, questionable plot pieces, etc.
I couldn't agree more. Kirkman will be involved with season 3 like he was with season 1. I only liked the return of Kenny, character growth of Clementine, and that's it. I really hated what happened to Christa and Omid because they were still new characters to us. They showed up at the end of episode 3, season 1, and Omid was incapacitated for most of the season only to die in episode 1 of season 2. Christa also showed promise by episode 5.
Why not Bonnie? Or is Clem not capable of helping a pregnant woman on her own despite being able to drag a 37 year old man into a jewellery store? You know just saying haha
Hey I think even Clem should have done that. She would have been more than capable of distracting them
Good to hear that Kirkman is back on the series. Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah, it was sad to see Christa and Omid disappear when they were still very new.
Let's look at it this way. Kenny and Mike, just one day prior, got into a fight and inadvertently caused a breach. Troy comes to a conclusion that these guys are two idiots that can't handle simple tasks without finding a way to screw it up. So he decides to stay in the same room and watch their each and every move. No one leaves that room, and the second one of them so much as looks at the other wrong, he'll put an end to it.
Luke is waiting in the comic store for the walkie-talkie. If Kenny and Mike are being escorted by Troy to and from the work site, and presumably can only leave the work site if Troy allows it, how is Kenny going to manage to get into the comic store?
Troy has zero reason to trust Kenny to be alone under any circumstance; within the first minute they arrive at Howe's, Kenny slips out of his restraints. The next day, he gets in a fight and causes a breach. He's easily the most defiant of all the prisoners. Troy might be an idiot, but there's no way he's dumb enough to let Kenny do so much as take a piss without watching over him.
There is no believable reason Kenny of all people could somehow slip into the comic store, give the radio to Luke, and slip back out without Troy seeing what he's up to and either beating him into the ground, or going to see what he was doing (busting Luke in the process). Actually, knowing Troy, he'd probably do both, but still.
Mike isn't much better, because he's guilty by association. Though not as defiant as Kenny, he was involved in the breach by proxy, so Troy is no doubt lumping him together with Kenny. If Troy won't let Kenny do anything without his say so, he most likely isn't going to let Mike, either.
That leaves us with Clementine, the one that has arguably attracted the least ire out of all three. The worst Clementine has done was go off into the comic store, but even that can be written off as an innocent action; a kid being a kid. Troy has the least reason to be concerned with Clementine. Given that she's just a young kid, Troy's probably convinced he's got her under his thumb; that she'll listen to him when he tells her to do something, and that she wouldn't try to defy him, unlike someone like Kenny that has repeatedly kept trying to cause trouble despite numerous warnings.
None of them are good choices to get the radio to Luke, as all of them have aroused suspicion in at least some way, be it minor or major. But if I had to choose the one that has the most likelihood of pulling it off, I'd honestly go with Clementine. She has the best chance of not only managing to sneak in, but is the only one of the three that could explain it in a believable fashion. If Troy caught Clementine coming out of the comic store, she would just tell him "My friend Sarah wanted a comic to read!" or some child-like excuse. If Troy was to catch Kenny or Mike coming out of the comic store, however, do you really think he'd buy any excuse that came out of their mouth? He'd most likely buy an excuse from Clementine, although given that he warned her once already, he'd probably smack her, but that's about it. He probably wouldn't even bother checking what she was doing in there. Now if it was Kenny that came out of that store, he'd probably be more suspicious of what he was/is up to.
Agreed.
Kirkman's logic: Let's help telltale with Season 1,
Kirkman: Alright, they can make Season 2 without me, I think it will be good.
Kirkman sees Season 2
For what it's worth, Kirkman had very little involvement in the development of S1. 95% of development was all Telltale. Kirkman only provided oversight; they would run ideas by him and see if he's okay with them, and they ran an early demo of the game past him, but other than that, Telltale pretty much did everything themselves.