The Children of Arkham are a group of people who were fucked over by the Waynes and locked up in Arkham Asylum. Judging by how feminine the leader of the group looked at the end of the episode, I honestly feel like it could be Oswalds mother.
Let me propose a different theory: what if the leader is a woman?
Whoever it is, they're entirely covered up, but the shape seems vaguely feminine looking.
I was thinking the same thing, their body shape was fairly small framed and as they are using a voice changer it's hard to tell if their voice is overly masculine or feminine.
I actually think she might be the masked character. I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that she is plotting against Bruce in some way… more.
In episode one, someone manages to record Bruce and Falcone shaking hands. The only reporter in the scene was Vicki who seemed very interested in Falcone's relation with the Deny campain.
Then at the begining of episode two, the newspaper trashing Bruce's family is... Gotham's Gazzete. She works there.
Later in the episode after Falcone is killed she is the only reporter there. How did she manage to hear about the news before anyone else? You'd think that if word had already spread out the GCPD would already be filled with reporters. She was either involved or she has very good contacts. And lets not forget how ungrateful she is, even if you gave her the data.
Finally, in preview to the next episode she says 'do you really think Bruce Wayne is really worth protecting?'
She's definitely... suspicious.
My first thought is ScareCrow. What with the mind altering drugs and all. It's Batman though, Joker has to atleast be mentioned. Besides no Joker no Harley and that would be tragic......
I'm not entirely sure, but I'm thinking that it could be Jonathan Crane AKA Scarecrow behind that mask. But, there is also the possibility that it could be Lonnie Machin AKA Anarky.
Well, yeah, of course she taped it beforehand but made it seem like a live broadcast. To specifically make people assume it can't be anyone who was at the debate, thus ruling her out.
He pointed a gun at her and then she injected Hill and Dent with the chemicals, then Oz took her hostage holding her in front of him (thus she was protecting him from being shot). She elbowed him in the face to keep up appearances and escaped behind Batman as Oz shot at him. That's all. Alternatively, you're assuming that Oz knows who the masked leader actually is. He may be just as in the dark that it's her as everyone else.
Sadly there wasn't really any huge nuance or depth to the storytelling in Arkham games. There was very little in the way of interesting character dialogue and writing, (other than some interesting villain lines, but that isn't banter) Batman was incredibly stoic and was mostly just a shell for the player to immerse themselves in Gotham. The first two felt like a tour of traditional showings of Batmans villains, and focused a lot on boss fights and set pieces, which was great, because it became one of the best licensed video games of all time (but to be fair, it has very little competition).
I don't feel storytelling was ever a big focus, more so the spectacle of the world of Batman, and seeing outlandish characters. There was some engaging twists, but nothing I personally found shocking or amazing, because I didn't really care about these people, because you aren't given a reason to. Good gameplay, design and atmosphere was what it was popular for, I disagree with people who say it had
"amazing" storytelling, that never seemed to be the point.
I was infuriated by how Ivy was treated in Knight. Batman shows no respect for her, doesn't care that she "died" (she didn't really, because comic books, and there was a plant easter egg apparently), and just uses her for a trivial "gas is everywhere and this is the only way", sort of thing.
There are literally no civilians in the city! It doesn't matter if it is gassed! All that means is the villains goons are going to choke on poisonous fear gas, and then it will dissipate in the atmosphere, truly evil. Ivy made a huge sacrifice for a city she despises, and Batman is just like screw her.
Then there is the fact that Harley was treated like an idiot, again, and was a joke boss, again. And her preorder dlc (shudder) was awful, and completely missing the potential of discussing her and Ivy's relationship. They should have expanded on her character development, now that she was free from Joker, but nope.
Apparently Deathstroke was a car in it as well? Two face sort of did nothing, and Riddler just sort of got an obsession with race tracks.
So yeah, I prefer a more down to earth and nuanced tone of storytelling, not to say supernatural and sci fi occurrences are at all lacking, they are actually really interesting, and not at all opposing. Focusing on closer more detailed aspects of the narrative, and putting effort in to writing, dialogue, and relationships, significantly helps the story in the long run.
I feel like the big problem with the Arkham games was their inability to let Joker not be the focus.
Arkham Asylum was a really good game… more basically an episode of TAS, bringing nostalgia to old fans and bringing a great tribute to the character. So it made perfect sense for him to be the focus.
Arkham City still considered the best by many. Joker was only one of many villains and the game actually killed him off. I still remember the shock and wonder many felt at the ending. What next? How would batman live without the joker?
Well then came Arkham Origins which had Black Mask. Many were excited to see how the relatively minor character would be as a major antagonist. The it turned out it was Joker......... and all others faded into obscurity. Black Mask who had been built up as this huge villain and everyone was excited for....became a footnote in the main story and part of a side mission.
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That's my first thought, and it's what I hope it is. It would explain Oswald's fantical loyalty to this person, what drew him back, and why he said 'Bruce will get what's coming to him' in the trailer. I think.
That's my first thought, and it's what I hope it is. It would explain Oswald's fantical loyalty to this person, what drew him back, and why he said 'Bruce will get what's coming to him' in the trailer. I think.
I know this idea is probably going to get me lynched, but could it be BRUCE'S mother, and not Oswald's? Falcone or Hill could have had a fling with Martha in the past, and somehow helped to fake her death in Crime Alley?
It might sound unthinkable now, but there was a time when Thomas Wayne was supposed to be this great, incorruptible figure too.
I know this idea is probably going to get me lynched, but could it be BRUCE'S mother, and not Oswald's? Falcone or Hill could have had a fli… moreng with Martha in the past, and somehow helped to fake her death in Crime Alley?
It might sound unthinkable now, but there was a time when Thomas Wayne was supposed to be this great, incorruptible figure too.
Bruce was only nine years old at the time. It's easy for a child to have a foggy recollection and what exactly went down, especially in a traumatic moment like that. (Think of Bruce Willis's memory of who released the deadly virus in 12 MONKEYS as a good comparison.)
Also, it's possible Falcone/Hill could have arranged for Joe Chill to fire a rubber bullet or tranquilizer dart at Martha, whereas Thomas got the real deal.
I was going to guess Scarecrow too based on the shape of him. And the drugs.
Seems like a decent guess anyways. It would have to be someone with the knowledge to manipulate the drug we found in the warehouse in ep.1 into the refined product that Cobblepot used on the officer in ep.2.
I'm not really uber fluent in the Batman universe, (my experience comes mostly from the old Adam West show) but who else would be capable of the chemistry? If it is a plant based compound, maybe Ivy? Or what is the Riddler capable of in those respects? Although personality wise, it seems unlikely to be him under the mask.
I have never heard of this! But it seems like it's pretty much a perfect fit.
It also explains why there is such a hate on for Bruce, and why they would go after himas a target in the first place. I mean i get that Cobblepot would be pissed at Bruce's parents for what they did to his family, but i really don't see how that would transfer to Bruce since he was a child when all of this occured and didn't know about any of it at all until after Cobblepot is back in the picture.
But, if Bruce's brother was treated like this by his own parents, just as Cobblepots mother was. That would give those two a strong bond through the similar injustice and it's perpetrators. And it would bring in the jealousy aspect towards Bruce, from his brother Tomas being denied his place and inheritance. Which must seem like Bruce is reaping all of the benefits from.
I think that the Leader is Thomas Wayne Jr., Batman's estranged brother, who in the comics was disinherited from the family due to his insan… moreity and raised in an asylum.
This would tie into the series' themes concerning the Wayne family's secrets, plus it would explain why the Children of Arkham are called Children in the first place, as Thomas Jr would be a child of both Thomas Sr and the Asylum where he was raised. it would also explain why the Leader has such a grudge against Thomas Sr in the first place.
( more info on Thomas Wayne Jr here )
Let me propose a different theory: what if the leader is a woman?
Whoever it is, they're entirely covered up, but the shape seems vaguely feminine looking.
My first thought is ScareCrow. What with the mind altering drugs and all. It's Batman though, Joker has to atleast be mentioned. Besides no Joker no Harley and that would be tragic......
But why would she leave Bruce behind? For someone who goes to all the trouble of setting up private screenings of his favorite movie whenever he wants, it seems like an about face to just abandon him like you've suggested.
Why wouldn't she take him along? Tell him the truth about his father and turn him against him, if all she wanted was for them to be away and safe from Tomas?
Bruce was only nine years old at the time. It's easy for a child to have a foggy recollection and what exactly went down, especially in a tr… moreaumatic moment like that. (Think of Bruce Willis's memory of who released the deadly virus in 12 MONKEYS as a good comparison.)
Also, it's possible Falcone/Hill could have arranged for Joe Chill to fire a rubber bullet or tranquilizer dart at Martha, whereas Thomas got the real deal.
Bruce was only nine years old at the time. It's easy for a child to have a foggy recollection and what exactly went down, especially in a tr… moreaumatic moment like that. (Think of Bruce Willis's memory of who released the deadly virus in 12 MONKEYS as a good comparison.)
Also, it's possible Falcone/Hill could have arranged for Joe Chill to fire a rubber bullet or tranquilizer dart at Martha, whereas Thomas got the real deal.
I was going to guess Scarecrow too based on the shape of him. And the drugs.
Seems like a decent guess anyways. It would have to be someo… morene with the knowledge to manipulate the drug we found in the warehouse in ep.1 into the refined product that Cobblepot used on the officer in ep.2.
I'm not really uber fluent in the Batman universe, (my experience comes mostly from the old Adam West show) but who else would be capable of the chemistry? If it is a plant based compound, maybe Ivy? Or what is the Riddler capable of in those respects? Although personality wise, it seems unlikely to be him under the mask.
I had no idea that character even existed. Given that this series seems to be going about uncovering the Waynes secrets this suggestion seems to be so spot on as that would be one of the biggest Wayne secrets there is. Now I'm hyped for this and will be disappointed if its anybody else.
I think that the Leader is Thomas Wayne Jr., Batman's estranged brother, who in the comics was disinherited from the family due to his insan… moreity and raised in an asylum.
This would tie into the series' themes concerning the Wayne family's secrets, plus it would explain why the Children of Arkham are called Children in the first place, as Thomas Jr would be a child of both Thomas Sr and the Asylum where he was raised. it would also explain why the Leader has such a grudge against Thomas Sr in the first place.
( more info on Thomas Wayne Jr here )
If I had to guess for an existing character, i would guess scarecrow. but I kind of want to see someone new, someone we have not seen before that is special to this series that is either widely unknown or completely new.
Big blue guy is Roland Desmond, better known as Blockbuster. His appearance kind of speaks for itself; big, mean, and strong as shit.
Also, he's voiced by Steve Blum, which is pretty neat.
I never said Martha was necessarily in on the plan. She could have just as easily been abducted against her will following Thomas's murder. I know this is all just speculation on my part.
But why would she leave Bruce behind? For someone who goes to all the trouble of setting up private screenings of his favorite movie wheneve… morer he wants, it seems like an about face to just abandon him like you've suggested.
Why wouldn't she take him along? Tell him the truth about his father and turn him against him, if all she wanted was for them to be away and safe from Tomas?
Hugo Strange would make sense. You'll notice Telltale's approach to Batman's rogue gallery so far seems to be using villains who already have some kind of connection with Bruce Wayne. Strange could easily have been a psychiatrist Bruce visited during his childhood or teenage years to help cope with the trauma in Crime Alley, and considering Strange was one of the first antagonists in the comic book to deduce Batman's true identity, the stage would definitely be set for him to make an appearance.
(Strange also held numerous sessions with the Joker during his incarceration at Arkham in the comics, so Telltale could easily have the good doctor allude to the Joker's presence in this version of the Batverse without revealing him outright.)
Hugo Strange would make sense. You'll notice Telltale's approach to Batman's rogue gallery so far seems to be using villains who already ha… moreve some kind of connection with Bruce Wayne. Strange could easily have been a psychiatrist Bruce visited during his childhood or teenage years to help cope with the trauma in Crime Alley, and considering Strange was one of the first antagonists in the comic book to deduce Batman's true identity, the stage would definitely be set for him to make an appearance.
(Strange also held numerous sessions with the Joker during his incarceration at Arkham in the comics, so Telltale could easily have the good doctor allude to the Joker's presence in this version of the Batverse without revealing him outright.)
All right, so based on what you've said, say Falcone had a fling with Martha, but Hill wanted to kill Thomas (and Martha apparently?), so when Falcone found out, rather than tipping her off, he saved her from Hill by elaborately faking Martha's death (even though Bruce was the only witness?, and has potentially luckily not remembered the death of his parents correctly anyway) by instead of just paying Joe Chill not to shoot her, paying him to shoot her with a tranquilizer or something that would cause paramedics to assume she was dead, I guess, without Martha knowing any of this plan. Falcone (or whoever is faking her death) then switched the body? paid off the cops/coroners, so that Hill wouldn't doubt she was dead. However Martha's obviously been kept away from Bruce all these years, so she either has 'soap opera' style amnesia and has forgotten about her son, or she's actually been abducted long term (and assumedly kept in Arkham with Oswald's mother?) If she was rescued, why would she be kept her away from Bruce? If she was abducted to silence her, why not just kill her in the alley? If she was deliberately locked up and driven insane, that begs the question what was the point of any of it?, and kind of implies someone else did it for a different reason entirely (like revenge or something). And Falcone and Hill are both dead now, so we can't get answers from either of them about it. I don't know, it's just a little too convoluted.
I never said Martha was necessarily in on the plan. She could have just as easily been abducted against her will following Thomas's murder. I know this is all just speculation on my part.
No, I never said that. I'd love the Joker to be used at some point, but not in this season. All I'm suggesting here are a few teasers for the character, that's all. Please don't stuff words into my mouth, and don't have a meltdown every time someone so much as mentions the Joker.
Let me propose a different theory: what if the leader is a woman?
Whoever it is, they're entirely covered up, but the shape seems vaguely feminine looking.
Well, yeah, of course she taped it beforehand but made it seem like a live broadcast. To specifically make people assume it can't be anyone who was at the debate, thus ruling her out.
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The Children of Arkham are a group of people who were fucked over by the Waynes and locked up in Arkham Asylum. Judging by how feminine the leader of the group looked at the end of the episode, I honestly feel like it could be Oswalds mother.
Keyword here is could. It's probably not though.
Yeah, I did think they were really skinny for a guy... Interesting...
Penguin's mother lives?
She was the one being held at gunpoint, so unlikely unless she taped the masked performance ahead of time.
Didn't Oz try to shoot her too?
My first thought is ScareCrow. What with the mind altering drugs and all. It's Batman though, Joker has to atleast be mentioned. Besides no Joker no Harley and that would be tragic......
I'm not entirely sure, but I'm thinking that it could be Jonathan Crane AKA Scarecrow behind that mask. But, there is also the possibility that it could be Lonnie Machin AKA Anarky.
Damn double post.
Well, yeah, of course she taped it beforehand but made it seem like a live broadcast. To specifically make people assume it can't be anyone who was at the debate, thus ruling her out.
He pointed a gun at her and then she injected Hill and Dent with the chemicals, then Oz took her hostage holding her in front of him (thus she was protecting him from being shot). She elbowed him in the face to keep up appearances and escaped behind Batman as Oz shot at him. That's all. Alternatively, you're assuming that Oz knows who the masked leader actually is. He may be just as in the dark that it's her as everyone else.
Sadly there wasn't really any huge nuance or depth to the storytelling in Arkham games. There was very little in the way of interesting character dialogue and writing, (other than some interesting villain lines, but that isn't banter) Batman was incredibly stoic and was mostly just a shell for the player to immerse themselves in Gotham. The first two felt like a tour of traditional showings of Batmans villains, and focused a lot on boss fights and set pieces, which was great, because it became one of the best licensed video games of all time (but to be fair, it has very little competition).
I don't feel storytelling was ever a big focus, more so the spectacle of the world of Batman, and seeing outlandish characters. There was some engaging twists, but nothing I personally found shocking or amazing, because I didn't really care about these people, because you aren't given a reason to. Good gameplay, design and atmosphere was what it was popular for, I disagree with people who say it had
"amazing" storytelling, that never seemed to be the point.
I was infuriated by how Ivy was treated in Knight. Batman shows no respect for her, doesn't care that she "died" (she didn't really, because comic books, and there was a plant easter egg apparently), and just uses her for a trivial "gas is everywhere and this is the only way", sort of thing.
There are literally no civilians in the city! It doesn't matter if it is gassed! All that means is the villains goons are going to choke on poisonous fear gas, and then it will dissipate in the atmosphere, truly evil. Ivy made a huge sacrifice for a city she despises, and Batman is just like screw her.
Then there is the fact that Harley was treated like an idiot, again, and was a joke boss, again. And her preorder dlc (shudder) was awful, and completely missing the potential of discussing her and Ivy's relationship. They should have expanded on her character development, now that she was free from Joker, but nope.
Apparently Deathstroke was a car in it as well? Two face sort of did nothing, and Riddler just sort of got an obsession with race tracks.
So yeah, I prefer a more down to earth and nuanced tone of storytelling, not to say supernatural and sci fi occurrences are at all lacking, they are actually really interesting, and not at all opposing. Focusing on closer more detailed aspects of the narrative, and putting effort in to writing, dialogue, and relationships, significantly helps the story in the long run.
Scarecrow
That's my first thought, and it's what I hope it is. It would explain Oswald's fantical loyalty to this person, what drew him back, and why he said 'Bruce will get what's coming to him' in the trailer. I think.
I'm pretty sure she's dead. Oz says to Hill "That won't bring my poor old mum back"
I know this idea is probably going to get me lynched, but could it be BRUCE'S mother, and not Oswald's? Falcone or Hill could have had a fling with Martha in the past, and somehow helped to fake her death in Crime Alley?
It might sound unthinkable now, but there was a time when Thomas Wayne was supposed to be this great, incorruptible figure too.
I mean, it's an interesting idea, but then who on earth got murdered in the alleyway with his father and why would Bruce misremember it.
Bruce was only nine years old at the time. It's easy for a child to have a foggy recollection and what exactly went down, especially in a traumatic moment like that. (Think of Bruce Willis's memory of who released the deadly virus in 12 MONKEYS as a good comparison.)
Also, it's possible Falcone/Hill could have arranged for Joe Chill to fire a rubber bullet or tranquilizer dart at Martha, whereas Thomas got the real deal.
Nah...
The hint to the leader's identity is the phrase, "Never fear".
Also, what about Hugo Strange? Should he be a likely candidate?
I was going to guess Scarecrow too based on the shape of him. And the drugs.
Seems like a decent guess anyways. It would have to be someone with the knowledge to manipulate the drug we found in the warehouse in ep.1 into the refined product that Cobblepot used on the officer in ep.2.
I'm not really uber fluent in the Batman universe, (my experience comes mostly from the old Adam West show) but who else would be capable of the chemistry? If it is a plant based compound, maybe Ivy? Or what is the Riddler capable of in those respects? Although personality wise, it seems unlikely to be him under the mask.
I have never heard of this! But it seems like it's pretty much a perfect fit.
It also explains why there is such a hate on for Bruce, and why they would go after himas a target in the first place. I mean i get that Cobblepot would be pissed at Bruce's parents for what they did to his family, but i really don't see how that would transfer to Bruce since he was a child when all of this occured and didn't know about any of it at all until after Cobblepot is back in the picture.
But, if Bruce's brother was treated like this by his own parents, just as Cobblepots mother was. That would give those two a strong bond through the similar injustice and it's perpetrators. And it would bring in the jealousy aspect towards Bruce, from his brother Tomas being denied his place and inheritance. Which must seem like Bruce is reaping all of the benefits from.
Ah, things make sense again....
Talia al Ghul?
Not really, it'd be nice actually, sick and tired of him being everywhere. Totally overused.
But why would she leave Bruce behind? For someone who goes to all the trouble of setting up private screenings of his favorite movie whenever he wants, it seems like an about face to just abandon him like you've suggested.
Why wouldn't she take him along? Tell him the truth about his father and turn him against him, if all she wanted was for them to be away and safe from Tomas?
But why fake your death and pointlessly abandon and traumatise your son in the first place? Why not just have Thomas killed when he was on his own?
come to think of it the leader has a somewhat feminine figure so maybe ivy could be it
I had no idea that character even existed. Given that this series seems to be going about uncovering the Waynes secrets this suggestion seems to be so spot on as that would be one of the biggest Wayne secrets there is. Now I'm hyped for this and will be disappointed if its anybody else.
If I had to guess for an existing character, i would guess scarecrow. but I kind of want to see someone new, someone we have not seen before that is special to this series that is either widely unknown or completely new.
Aw, I thought he was Bane x(
I never said Martha was necessarily in on the plan. She could have just as easily been abducted against her will following Thomas's murder. I know this is all just speculation on my part.
See my answer above.
Hugo Strange would make sense. You'll notice Telltale's approach to Batman's rogue gallery so far seems to be using villains who already have some kind of connection with Bruce Wayne. Strange could easily have been a psychiatrist Bruce visited during his childhood or teenage years to help cope with the trauma in Crime Alley, and considering Strange was one of the first antagonists in the comic book to deduce Batman's true identity, the stage would definitely be set for him to make an appearance.
(Strange also held numerous sessions with the Joker during his incarceration at Arkham in the comics, so Telltale could easily have the good doctor allude to the Joker's presence in this version of the Batverse without revealing him outright.)
You REALLY want the Joker to be in this story don't you? Despite how overused and overexposed he's become.
All right, so based on what you've said, say Falcone had a fling with Martha, but Hill wanted to kill Thomas (and Martha apparently?), so when Falcone found out, rather than tipping her off, he saved her from Hill by elaborately faking Martha's death (even though Bruce was the only witness?, and has potentially luckily not remembered the death of his parents correctly anyway) by instead of just paying Joe Chill not to shoot her, paying him to shoot her with a tranquilizer or something that would cause paramedics to assume she was dead, I guess, without Martha knowing any of this plan. Falcone (or whoever is faking her death) then switched the body? paid off the cops/coroners, so that Hill wouldn't doubt she was dead. However Martha's obviously been kept away from Bruce all these years, so she either has 'soap opera' style amnesia and has forgotten about her son, or she's actually been abducted long term (and assumedly kept in Arkham with Oswald's mother?) If she was rescued, why would she be kept her away from Bruce? If she was abducted to silence her, why not just kill her in the alley? If she was deliberately locked up and driven insane, that begs the question what was the point of any of it?, and kind of implies someone else did it for a different reason entirely (like revenge or something). And Falcone and Hill are both dead now, so we can't get answers from either of them about it. I don't know, it's just a little too convoluted.
http://www.strawpoll.me/11286345
Here's a poll for all of you, guess who the leader is!
Who's Harambe?
An internet meme, look him up
No, I never said that. I'd love the Joker to be used at some point, but not in this season. All I'm suggesting here are a few teasers for the character, that's all. Please don't stuff words into my mouth, and don't have a meltdown every time someone so much as mentions the Joker.
secretly hopes for Poison Ivy
Okay seriously though, I noticed that the person seemed to pretty small compared to everyone else. It's kind of strange.
The key here I think is who would the good ol' Oswald Cobblepot allow to be his superior? To get him to come back from the UK?
This person has also probably been harmed by corruption in Gotham, obviously, and most likely has a connection to Arkham Asylum.
Especially since there was no reason why Cobblepot should use Vicki instead of the moderator he killed.