Then post on the thread? And if you have not seen the Kenny fans then you have not been looking at the posts. However that is not the point of the thread...there are major issues with season 2. Season 2 is not a bad game and is actually more enjoyable than alot of games that came out during that same time period. But compared to S1 or TWAU that came out at the same period it is interesting to see what things went wrong or could have been done better. I feel that Kenny took away from other characters in the season. Plus I really did not care for how abusive he was. But Kenny was only one part of the game that was a little off.
I have said many times I do not like Kenny the person but loved Kenny the character...but only in S1. My reason are in the many threads and like many people some reasons are biased and some are not. I am human and I admit that. But disliking Kenny is not the point of the thread..and yes I was a little hard in the way I phrased it. More like the writers perhaps started to second guess and had too many characters that were competing for the player's attention.
Now we are on the edge of a new season and I am hoping for really good things and perhaps this is just my nervous nelly way of working through the issues as I saw them and hoping that the writers have learned from S2. I am sure it will be amazing..the Batman game has so far turned out to be way better than my wildest dreams.
My gosh you kenny haters are UNBEARABLE. You guys literally have to mention how much you hate kenny in any time possible. Its hard not to st… moreereotype you guys similar to how vegans got stereotyped, how you always have to imply and show that you hate Kenny. And don't say that jane haters or kenny fans are unbearable aswell because I know someone would say or think that, because yes they are, but certainly not as much as you guys have been doing. I havn't even seen any Kenny fans, they probably are on here but clearly they dont mention they are as they dont have to say in any time they can how much jane is a bad character and how they like kenny, I rarely see any for a while. Take it down a notch, its a character in a video game, and many people like him even if you dont. We get it, you hate kenny, you dont need to prove it countless times. I hope you people dont bring your kenny hate in real life because thats just sad.
Carver...a villain of the week...it is like they read a cliffs notes version of the Governor and that was it.
Even in spite of that, Carver still had more depth as a character than the Governor did, if you ask me. Well, more than the comic Governor, at least.
Comic Gov is the epitome of a mustache-twirling villain. Just about every single everything he did was to remind the reader that he's evil. The only depth comes from the novel series, which is admittedly good (the ones centering on the Governor, at least), but at the same time, it took a novel to even make him interesting. And even then, the novel doesn't focus that heavily on the Governor himself, but rather the people around him.
Very well put, Kenny in season 2 was like a black hole stealing the light from nearby stars and casting the entire sector of space into dark… moreness. We have been over this....his inclusion took important character development from the cabin group because the writers had a character that people liked from S1. The fact that they did not even feel compelled to explain how Kenny escaped points more to the fact that the ready made character was a crutch that they were going to hedge the season on. It always struck me as completely wasted time even meeting the cabin group if we were just going to have the Kenny show. Why not have her find the ski lodge with some random bozo who gets killed on the train bridge than invest time on a group they had no idea what to do with.
Sarah, not a fan of her..however she was so wasted...you might as well not even met her as nothing you say to her in episode 2 seems to matter. She never learns to use a gun...… [view original content]
you having to force your topic sentence under the title as that gives me the reason to say what I say. You replying to me with that obviously tells me you know what your doing, and you know how you have to force on your kenny hating, as so your username aswell.
Then post on the thread? And if you have not seen the Kenny fans then you have not been looking at the posts. However that is not the poin… moret of the thread...there are major issues with season 2. Season 2 is not a bad game and is actually more enjoyable than alot of games that came out during that same time period. But compared to S1 or TWAU that came out at the same period it is interesting to see what things went wrong or could have been done better. I feel that Kenny took away from other characters in the season. Plus I really did not care for how abusive he was. But Kenny was only one part of the game that was a little off.
I have said many times I do not like Kenny the person but loved Kenny the character...but only in S1. My reason are in the many threads and like many people some reasons are biased and some are not. I am human and I admit that. But disliking Kenny is not the point of the thread..and yes I was a little hard … [view original content]
Episode 3... it went downhill from there...
They had a good villain that they killed way way too early, and the main plot was just at tha… moret point lost... and it was still lost, and then it was suddenly remembered in Ep.5...Honestly they rushed this season quite hard, it's noticeable, Hell... they even forget the things like adding the episode title for No Going Back... and I just noticed a couple days ago because some Youtuber used those as thumbnails for his videos, but for No going back he had to make his own... poorly...
I wish we had threads like "Shame on you Telltale" again...
So are you a Kenny fan? And the name came about when I was playing S2...never make a username when you are angry at a character....too late to change the username now.
you having to force your topic sentence under the title as that gives me the reason to say what I say. You replying to me with that obviousl… morey tells me you know what your doing, and you know how you have to force on your kenny hating, as so your username aswell.
Carver...a villain of the week...it is like they read a cliffs notes version of the Governor and that was it.
Even in spite of that,… more Carver still had more depth as a character than the Governor did, if you ask me. Well, more than the comic Governor, at least.
Comic Gov is the epitome of a mustache-twirling villain. Just about every single everything he did was to remind the reader that he's evil. The only depth comes from the novel series, which is admittedly good (the ones centering on the Governor, at least), but at the same time, it took a novel to even make him interesting. And even then, the novel doesn't focus that heavily on the Governor himself, but rather the people around him.
I don't follow the comics at all but the more I hear about the comic version of the Governor, the lamer he sounds. The TV shows version was great though and came in at the right time, when the show needed a break/something a little different from Rick and company. Carver does indeed come across as a bit of an inferior version of the Governor from the show. It's one of the very few things that the show done better.
Carver...a villain of the week...it is like they read a cliffs notes version of the Governor and that was it.
Even in spite of that,… more Carver still had more depth as a character than the Governor did, if you ask me. Well, more than the comic Governor, at least.
Comic Gov is the epitome of a mustache-twirling villain. Just about every single everything he did was to remind the reader that he's evil. The only depth comes from the novel series, which is admittedly good (the ones centering on the Governor, at least), but at the same time, it took a novel to even make him interesting. And even then, the novel doesn't focus that heavily on the Governor himself, but rather the people around him.
Carver...a villain of the week...it is like they read a cliffs notes version of the Governor and that was it.
Even in spite of that,… more Carver still had more depth as a character than the Governor did, if you ask me. Well, more than the comic Governor, at least.
Comic Gov is the epitome of a mustache-twirling villain. Just about every single everything he did was to remind the reader that he's evil. The only depth comes from the novel series, which is admittedly good (the ones centering on the Governor, at least), but at the same time, it took a novel to even make him interesting. And even then, the novel doesn't focus that heavily on the Governor himself, but rather the people around him.
they're both adult women who lost their younger sister due to a physical or mental illness and as a result become independent lone-wolf action females with developed tricks to get past hordes of walkers, but who also have soft spot for clementine, don't get along with Kenny, and leave the group at the end of episode 4, and... that's still very similar, actually.
First of all, Molly's an adult? Second, that's why I said fairly: I know there's a lot of similarities, I just was being brief with the differences.
The main difference between them, I think, is that Molly is entirely anti-Crawford in her ideaology while Jane is not.
You would think I'd remember that considering it's probably the basis of the reason I don't like Jane personally.
I don't agree with your characterization of Molly as a thin light-hearted one-shot character. "Light-hearted" maybe as she tries to crack more jokes than Jane, but she is not light-hearted as a concept.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Adds to the whole comic book-ness of her over Jane's dry humor to her occasional funeral march attitude.
Her background is even more traumatic than Jane's, having to hide her sister's illness from the people who are protecting her, and selling her body in order to keep it that way.
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Then her sister is dragged off and killed and Molly is powerless to stop it - unlike Jane, who was within the power to keep her sister from dying.
Okay, I just brought this up about Jane, but was it explicitly said that she was killed? I just assumed they kicked her out and then she probably died from lack of medicine. Which incidentally is why I almost thought Brie was her sister due to a brain fart just now.
And it's not like Molly being a one-shot character is a bad thing - Jane might have been better off staying a one-shot character too.
Oh don't be mistaken: Molly being a one-shot is not an issue, especially since I don't recall thinking much of her either way. And yeeeah, Jane staying a one-shot as well would've been better than all the baggage that came with her when she came back. "Jaime, Sarah...I don't wanna see it happen to you, too," my ass!
If Clementine didn't have a gaurdian at the time, I think Molly might have been compelled to with her stay too, but since the first Season actually still had focus with thier characters and the story they wanted to tell, Molly served just fine in a supporting role in episode 4 and didn't distract from the main relationship between Lee and Clem in episode 5. But since Season 2 had seemingly less focus, Jane just added another thread of subplot that didn't tie as neatly in to the rest of it.
And that's probably why Molly is so much more appealing than Jane to some people--less baggage, less mind games, less bullshit. Just clean(I hope) fun.
I just don't like it when people call Jane just a ripoff of Molly and nothing else since it ignores the differences.
Ehhhh I'm going to argue with you on the Molly bit. Yeah, I agree they rehashed the concept more than the arc in that they're both adult wom… moreen who lost their younger sister due to a physical or mental illness and as a result become independent lone-wolf action females with developed tricks to get past hordes of walkers, but who also have soft spot for clementine, don't get along with Kenny, and leave the group at the end of episode 4, and... that's still very similar, actually.
The main difference between them, I think, is that Molly is entirely anti-Crawford in her ideaology while Jane is not. I don't agree with your characterization of Molly as a thin light-hearted one-shot character. "Light-hearted" maybe as she tries to crack more jokes than Jane, but she is not light-hearted as a concept. Her background is even more traumatic than Jane's, having to hide her sister's illness from the people who are protecting her, and selling her body … [view original content]
I still don't think Molly is light-hearted. She can be a little flippant sometimes (pretending she didn't have the battery, calling Lee a chicken) but being able to find humor doesn't necessarily make one light-hearted. It's still obvious she has a lot of hardened grudges and personality traits she uses as a defense like Jane does. And yeah, I don't know how old you think Molly is, but I always placed her as a college-aged woman, early 20s.
It's never explicitly stated that her sister was killed but heavily implied. Even if they just kicked her out, obviously they stopped Molly from helping her or ever seeing her again, and that's still an equivalent of killing her.
Jane isn't just a ripoff of Molly, I agree, because of their differing ideologies. At the same time, their similarities are way too many to ignore, and I think Telltale could have been more original when creating Jane for the second season.
they're both adult women who lost their younger sister due to a physical or mental illness and as a result become independent lone-wolf acti… moreon females with developed tricks to get past hordes of walkers, but who also have soft spot for clementine, don't get along with Kenny, and leave the group at the end of episode 4, and... that's still very similar, actually.
First of all, Molly's an adult? Second, that's why I said fairly: I know there's a lot of similarities, I just was being brief with the differences.
The main difference between them, I think, is that Molly is entirely anti-Crawford in her ideaology while Jane is not.
You would think I'd remember that considering it's probably the basis of the reason I don't like Jane personally.
I don't agree with your characterization of Molly as a thin light-hearted one-shot character. "Light-hearted" maybe as she tries to crack more jokes than Jane, but she is not light-… [view original content]
I used to like both Jane and Kenny and in my first (and only) gameplay I nearly shot Kenny to save Jane but Im glad I didnt because now Jane is ruined for me so I just dont like her. I dont like to be called a Kenny fan because although Kenny is one of my favorite characters hes not my number 1 or 2 or 3rd favorite, more like my 4th or 5th. I just prefer him over Jane and try to show that hes not a terrible worst character ever like what most people keep saying.
So are you a Kenny fan? And the name came about when I was playing S2...never make a username when you are angry at a character....too late to change the username now.
I used to like both Jane and Kenny and in my first (and only) gameplay I nearly shot Kenny to save Jane but Im glad I didnt because now Jane… more is ruined for me so I just dont like her. I dont like to be called a Kenny fan because although Kenny is one of my favorite characters hes not my number 1 or 2 or 3rd favorite, more like my 4th or 5th. I just prefer him over Jane and try to show that hes not a terrible worst character ever like what most people keep saying.
I still don't think Molly is light-hearted. She can be a little flippant sometimes (pretending she didn't have the battery, calling Lee a chicken) but being able to find humor doesn't necessarily make one light-hearted. It's still obvious she has a lot of hardened grudges and personality traits she uses as a defense like Jane does.
Not to pick on you here, but I know light-hearted wasn't quite the word; this has been established. I meant that she has this kinda smart-ass attitude that reminds me of characters like Spiderman, Catwoman, and Raven, hence a reason for calling her "comic book-ish." I think the example I remember the most is "Who's the fossil?," said within three feet of Vernon. I'm like, "Rude."
But yeah, she could be "emo" when it counted.
And yeah, I don't know how old you think Molly is, but I always placed her as a college-aged woman, early 20s.
Mmmm...maybe. I always got the idea that she's a teenager given how relatively scrawny she is, not to mention her hair clip and the fact that her sister was somewhere around 14. Plus, angst angst angst angst angst--naw, I'm kidding.
The fact that we had Ben, Travis, and eventually Becca, Sarah, and Arvo kinda adds to that.
It's never explicitly stated that her sister was killed but heavily implied.
Even if they just kicked her out, obviously they stopped Molly from helping her or ever seeing her again, and that's still an equivalent of killing her.
K.
At the same time, their similarities are way too many to ignore, and I think Telltale could have been more original when creating Jane for the second season.
Granted. Again, I wasn't too fond of Jane in Episode 3 because she felt like an obvious gimmick to go along with Kenny in pandering to nostalgia and "fanservice" in a barebones episode. Ah well, at least it's nice to go back and make fun of, especially the goofy camera angles.
I still don't think Molly is light-hearted. She can be a little flippant sometimes (pretending she didn't have the battery, calling Lee a ch… moreicken) but being able to find humor doesn't necessarily make one light-hearted. It's still obvious she has a lot of hardened grudges and personality traits she uses as a defense like Jane does. And yeah, I don't know how old you think Molly is, but I always placed her as a college-aged woman, early 20s.
It's never explicitly stated that her sister was killed but heavily implied. Even if they just kicked her out, obviously they stopped Molly from helping her or ever seeing her again, and that's still an equivalent of killing her.
Jane isn't just a ripoff of Molly, I agree, because of their differing ideologies. At the same time, their similarities are way too many to ignore, and I think Telltale could have been more original when creating Jane for the second season.
Not to pick on you here, but I know light-hearted wasn't quite the word; this has been established.
Okay, I feel like you're giving me a condescending tone now and I'm not really appreciating it. You said "that's what I meant" when I clarified what could have been meant as "light-hearted" but you never said that wasn't the word you would have used.
K.
Cool, why are you even commenting then?
The fact that we had Ben, Travis, and eventually Becca, Sarah, and Arvo kinda adds to that.
Adds to what? I don't understand why so many Telltale characters are understimated in their age. Arvo realistically seems 18ish yet people love to put him at 15 along with Becca and Sarah - it's why so many people were shocked that Sam was actually 22. To me Molly and Sam seem very similar in their ages. Molly also isn't that scrawny; Lee and Kenny mistook her for a dude at first. I agree the clip might throw you off but maybe that's just something she uses to keep her hair out of her eyes. Also the age gap between her and her sister isn't too out there... I was 20 when my sister was 14, and Sam is 22 when her little brothers are around 12 and 8. But this is really not that big of a deal, point is she was at a similar enough maturity level as Jane.
I still don't think Molly is light-hearted. She can be a little flippant sometimes (pretending she didn't have the battery, calling Lee a ch… moreicken) but being able to find humor doesn't necessarily make one light-hearted. It's still obvious she has a lot of hardened grudges and personality traits she uses as a defense like Jane does.
Not to pick on you here, but I know light-hearted wasn't quite the word; this has been established. I meant that she has this kinda smart-ass attitude that reminds me of characters like Spiderman, Catwoman, and Raven, hence a reason for calling her "comic book-ish." I think the example I remember the most is "Who's the fossil?," said within three feet of Vernon. I'm like, "Rude."
But yeah, she could be "emo" when it counted.
And yeah, I don't know how old you think Molly is, but I always placed her as a college-aged woman, early 20s.
Mmmm...maybe. I always got the idea that she's a teenage… [view original content]
Okay, I feel like you're giving me a condescending tone now and I'm not really appreciating it. You said "that's what I meant" when I clarified what could have been meant as "light-hearted" but you never said that wasn't the word you would have used.
Yeah, sorry, must've been thoughts that didn't get typed.
Adds to what?
The idea that Molly might be a teen.
I don't understand why so many Telltale characters are understimated in their age. Arvo realistically seems 18ish yet people love to put him at 15 along with Becca and Sarah -
Huh, interesting. Honestly, I put him around 14-17 specifically because I assumed he was probably older than those two, but not by much. The fact that he has a suspicious amount of similarities with Sarah doesn't help.
it's why so many people were shocked that Sam was actually 22. To me Molly and Sam seem very similar in their ages.
K. Honestly, the only reason I'd thought Sam would be a teenager is because of her voice and personality, which screams "trouble making youth in over her head." Learning she was 22 was interesting, but not that surprising since it's not that far off.
Then again, kids today on dem chicken and milk steroids, so you could still call her a teenager--if you know what I mean.
Molly also isn't that scrawny; Lee and Kenny mistook her for a dude at first.
Well, considering this includes Kenny, I'm not surprised they'd think that. Plus, Samus is a Girl is also a thing.
As for her being scrawny, I probably meant in comparison to Lee and even then, she's wearing bright enough clothes to make out her silhouette from a distance. When Lee was close enough to engage her, I immediately noticed that she was shorter and thinner than he is, making me think this is a teenager.[Watching cutscenes with Molly] Okay, I see what you mean but her proportions are still relatively thin, maybe a little more than Christa. Ah well, Kenny's clearly a lot taller than I remember him being, so I've been wrong before.
I agree the clip might throw you off but maybe that's just something she uses to keep her hair out of her eyes. But this is really not that big of a deal, point is she was at a similar enough maturity level as Jane.
True. And you know what, that might just be it: I'm comparing my memory of Molly's proportions to Jane, who I always thought was a little taller than the average female and definitely thicker.
Not to pick on you here, but I know light-hearted wasn't quite the word; this has been established.
Okay, I feel like you're giving … moreme a condescending tone now and I'm not really appreciating it. You said "that's what I meant" when I clarified what could have been meant as "light-hearted" but you never said that wasn't the word you would have used.
K.
Cool, why are you even commenting then?
The fact that we had Ben, Travis, and eventually Becca, Sarah, and Arvo kinda adds to that.
Adds to what? I don't understand why so many Telltale characters are understimated in their age. Arvo realistically seems 18ish yet people love to put him at 15 along with Becca and Sarah - it's why so many people were shocked that Sam was actually 22. To me Molly and Sam seem very similar in their ages. Molly also isn't that scrawny; Lee and Kenny mistook her for a dude at first. I agree the clip might throw you off but maybe tha… [view original content]
I'm starting to think this thread is going a bit overboard. I get that people are disappointed in S2, and you're free to feel that way, and free to express that. But don't go overboard with it. Don't make it personal, or start taking cheap shots at the people that worked on it. Making insinuations like the writers "gave up" is ultimately doing more harm than good. I can understand your intentions going into making this topic, but it has more negative effects on the forum as a whole than you might realize at first. People wonder why Telltale staff don't post much on here. Well, I hate to say it, but threads like this are part of the reason.
You might not know how bad the situation is, but to give you a slight idea; some of the newer staff members at Telltale have been outright warned by other employees about posting on the forums due to the backlash and negativity. Yeah, the staff are hesitant to post on their own forums because of the environment. Do you guys really want that to be the way they see this place? Take a minute to think about it.
So with that said, I'm gonna go ahead and lock this thread for now. If you want to start up a similar thread, I'm all for it. Just try to make it a bit less hostile/less personal towards the people at Telltale. Threads like this, no matter how you might see them personally, can have a much bigger impact on them than you'd think.
We need to start working towards a more positive environment on the forum overall, and while locking this thread might not be seen as the best course of action by some people, I believe it's a small step towards making this forum more pleasant not only for Telltale staff, but for everyone here. Especially with S3 just around the corner, which will no doubt be bringing in some fresh faces, and perhaps even some familiar ones.
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Then post on the thread? And if you have not seen the Kenny fans then you have not been looking at the posts. However that is not the point of the thread...there are major issues with season 2. Season 2 is not a bad game and is actually more enjoyable than alot of games that came out during that same time period. But compared to S1 or TWAU that came out at the same period it is interesting to see what things went wrong or could have been done better. I feel that Kenny took away from other characters in the season. Plus I really did not care for how abusive he was. But Kenny was only one part of the game that was a little off.
I have said many times I do not like Kenny the person but loved Kenny the character...but only in S1. My reason are in the many threads and like many people some reasons are biased and some are not. I am human and I admit that. But disliking Kenny is not the point of the thread..and yes I was a little hard in the way I phrased it. More like the writers perhaps started to second guess and had too many characters that were competing for the player's attention.
Now we are on the edge of a new season and I am hoping for really good things and perhaps this is just my nervous nelly way of working through the issues as I saw them and hoping that the writers have learned from S2. I am sure it will be amazing..the Batman game has so far turned out to be way better than my wildest dreams.
Even in spite of that, Carver still had more depth as a character than the Governor did, if you ask me. Well, more than the comic Governor, at least.
Comic Gov is the epitome of a mustache-twirling villain. Just about every single everything he did was to remind the reader that he's evil. The only depth comes from the novel series, which is admittedly good (the ones centering on the Governor, at least), but at the same time, it took a novel to even make him interesting. And even then, the novel doesn't focus that heavily on the Governor himself, but rather the people around him.
you having to force your topic sentence under the title as that gives me the reason to say what I say. You replying to me with that obviously tells me you know what your doing, and you know how you have to force on your kenny hating, as so your username aswell.
Eh, a bit of a necessary evil, considering new fans can join every month. Back in June, I was proof of that.
If anyone wants to or thinks it wouldn't hurt anything, feel free.
So are you a Kenny fan? And the name came about when I was playing S2...never make a username when you are angry at a character....too late to change the username now.
Nice save at the end there, cuz you almost told me I probably shouldn't bother with the other stuff.
Well considering his name is the Governor, I'd expect that at some point. Just maybe not the whole time.
I don't follow the comics at all but the more I hear about the comic version of the Governor, the lamer he sounds. The TV shows version was great though and came in at the right time, when the show needed a break/something a little different from Rick and company. Carver does indeed come across as a bit of an inferior version of the Governor from the show. It's one of the very few things that the show done better.
have yet to read the comic...so yeah I guess I need to say tv Govenor, sorry about the confusion.
First of all, Molly's an adult? Second, that's why I said fairly: I know there's a lot of similarities, I just was being brief with the differences.
You would think I'd remember that considering it's probably the basis of the reason I don't like Jane personally.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Adds to the whole comic book-ness of her over Jane's dry humor to her occasional funeral march attitude.
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Okay, I just brought this up about Jane, but was it explicitly said that she was killed? I just assumed they kicked her out and then she probably died from lack of medicine. Which incidentally is why I almost thought Brie was her sister due to a brain fart just now.
Oh don't be mistaken: Molly being a one-shot is not an issue, especially since I don't recall thinking much of her either way. And yeeeah, Jane staying a one-shot as well would've been better than all the baggage that came with her when she came back.
"Jaime, Sarah...I don't wanna see it happen to you, too," my ass!
And that's probably why Molly is so much more appealing than Jane to some people--less baggage, less mind games, less bullshit. Just clean(I hope) fun.
I just don't like it when people call Jane just a ripoff of Molly and nothing else since it ignores the differences.
When Season 1 ended
I still don't think Molly is light-hearted. She can be a little flippant sometimes (pretending she didn't have the battery, calling Lee a chicken) but being able to find humor doesn't necessarily make one light-hearted. It's still obvious she has a lot of hardened grudges and personality traits she uses as a defense like Jane does. And yeah, I don't know how old you think Molly is, but I always placed her as a college-aged woman, early 20s.
It's never explicitly stated that her sister was killed but heavily implied. Even if they just kicked her out, obviously they stopped Molly from helping her or ever seeing her again, and that's still an equivalent of killing her.
Jane isn't just a ripoff of Molly, I agree, because of their differing ideologies. At the same time, their similarities are way too many to ignore, and I think Telltale could have been more original when creating Jane for the second season.
I used to like both Jane and Kenny and in my first (and only) gameplay I nearly shot Kenny to save Jane but Im glad I didnt because now Jane is ruined for me so I just dont like her. I dont like to be called a Kenny fan because although Kenny is one of my favorite characters hes not my number 1 or 2 or 3rd favorite, more like my 4th or 5th. I just prefer him over Jane and try to show that hes not a terrible worst character ever like what most people keep saying.
As someone who hates Jane on a personal level, might I inquire why you lost interest in her?
Also, yeah Kenny's probably not of the worst characters all things considered, but I'm personally kinda indifferent on a mood ring level.
Not to pick on you here, but I know light-hearted wasn't quite the word; this has been established. I meant that she has this kinda smart-ass attitude that reminds me of characters like Spiderman, Catwoman, and Raven, hence a reason for calling her "comic book-ish." I think the example I remember the most is "Who's the fossil?," said within three feet of Vernon. I'm like, "Rude."
But yeah, she could be "emo" when it counted.
Mmmm...maybe. I always got the idea that she's a teenager given how relatively scrawny she is, not to mention her hair clip and the fact that her sister was somewhere around 14. Plus, angst angst angst angst angst--naw, I'm kidding.
The fact that we had Ben, Travis, and eventually Becca, Sarah, and Arvo kinda adds to that.
Even if they just kicked her out, obviously they stopped Molly from helping her or ever seeing her again, and that's still an equivalent of killing her.
K.
Granted. Again, I wasn't too fond of Jane in Episode 3 because she felt like an obvious gimmick to go along with Kenny in pandering to nostalgia and "fanservice" in a barebones episode. Ah well, at least it's nice to go back and make fun of, especially the goofy camera angles.
Okay, I feel like you're giving me a condescending tone now and I'm not really appreciating it. You said "that's what I meant" when I clarified what could have been meant as "light-hearted" but you never said that wasn't the word you would have used.
Cool, why are you even commenting then?
Adds to what? I don't understand why so many Telltale characters are understimated in their age. Arvo realistically seems 18ish yet people love to put him at 15 along with Becca and Sarah - it's why so many people were shocked that Sam was actually 22. To me Molly and Sam seem very similar in their ages. Molly also isn't that scrawny; Lee and Kenny mistook her for a dude at first. I agree the clip might throw you off but maybe that's just something she uses to keep her hair out of her eyes. Also the age gap between her and her sister isn't too out there... I was 20 when my sister was 14, and Sam is 22 when her little brothers are around 12 and 8. But this is really not that big of a deal, point is she was at a similar enough maturity level as Jane.
Yeah, sorry, must've been thoughts that didn't get typed.
The idea that Molly might be a teen.
Huh, interesting. Honestly, I put him around 14-17 specifically because I assumed he was probably older than those two, but not by much. The fact that he has a suspicious amount of similarities with Sarah doesn't help.
K. Honestly, the only reason I'd thought Sam would be a teenager is because of her voice and personality, which screams "trouble making youth in over her head." Learning she was 22 was interesting, but not that surprising since it's not that far off.
Then again, kids today on dem chicken and milk steroids, so you could still call her a teenager--if you know what I mean.
Well, considering this includes Kenny, I'm not surprised they'd think that. Plus, Samus is a Girl is also a thing.
As for her being scrawny, I probably meant in comparison to Lee and even then, she's wearing bright enough clothes to make out her silhouette from a distance. When Lee was close enough to engage her, I immediately noticed that she was shorter and thinner than he is, making me think this is a teenager.[Watching cutscenes with Molly] Okay, I see what you mean but her proportions are still relatively thin, maybe a little more than Christa. Ah well, Kenny's clearly a lot taller than I remember him being, so I've been wrong before.
True. And you know what, that might just be it: I'm comparing my memory of Molly's proportions to Jane, who I always thought was a little taller than the average female and definitely thicker.
Thanks for the enlightenment!
Your OP is literally a sentence with less than 10 words in it, I don't think he's the only one that needs to expand on his opinion, lol.
I'm starting to think this thread is going a bit overboard. I get that people are disappointed in S2, and you're free to feel that way, and free to express that. But don't go overboard with it. Don't make it personal, or start taking cheap shots at the people that worked on it. Making insinuations like the writers "gave up" is ultimately doing more harm than good. I can understand your intentions going into making this topic, but it has more negative effects on the forum as a whole than you might realize at first. People wonder why Telltale staff don't post much on here. Well, I hate to say it, but threads like this are part of the reason.
You might not know how bad the situation is, but to give you a slight idea; some of the newer staff members at Telltale have been outright warned by other employees about posting on the forums due to the backlash and negativity. Yeah, the staff are hesitant to post on their own forums because of the environment. Do you guys really want that to be the way they see this place? Take a minute to think about it.
So with that said, I'm gonna go ahead and lock this thread for now. If you want to start up a similar thread, I'm all for it. Just try to make it a bit less hostile/less personal towards the people at Telltale. Threads like this, no matter how you might see them personally, can have a much bigger impact on them than you'd think.
We need to start working towards a more positive environment on the forum overall, and while locking this thread might not be seen as the best course of action by some people, I believe it's a small step towards making this forum more pleasant not only for Telltale staff, but for everyone here. Especially with S3 just around the corner, which will no doubt be bringing in some fresh faces, and perhaps even some familiar ones.