Stop talking about Kenny like that
No guideline is being broken and this thread is the place to talk about it, so @DabigRG and every… morebody else can do so as long as they want.
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I thought you were telling @DabigRG to stop describing Kenny negatively, but I am confused now, since the rest of posts in your profile suggest that you dislike him.
Also, you can see how distressed that actually made her. In a world like this when do you actually see someone get that distressed for trying to make sure they are keeping their people safe?
That's a great point!
She's also distressed when she kills Vitali to save Kenny, and that indeed is more than Kenny ever expressed toward a stranger.
You do realize that if Kenny had his way he would have originally dropped him to his death or bashed his head in right? Jane just threaten h… moreim to get him away from the group. Also, you can see how distressed that actually made her. In a world like this when do you actually see someone get that distressed for trying to make sure they are keeping their people safe?
Okay, you actually spark an excellent point: Jane thought she was doing something that would help Clementine out at the cost of stooping to … morethe level of a thief. That's fine and all, but she's also intentionally screwing someone else over in the process, even with Clementine's own morality determinately being against it. And I don't just mean Natasha, but both groups in general: by threatening/deciding to take the medicine, she pissed Arvo's group off and caused them to come looking for her and Clementine, which caused the standoff that escalated into a firefight when Rebecca turned.
When all this was said and done, Rebecca, Natasha, Buricko, and Vitali were dead/deader, Mike and especially Luke were injured, and Arvo became Kenny's prisoner. By making that one unnecessary move against Arvo, Jane caused pretty much everything thing that went wrong in that final episode and yet she refused to accept responsibility for instigating the confl… [view original content]
Pretty much. At the barest minimum, Sarah had prove a few times that she could act as a lookout and/or danger detector since the mere thought of walkers causes her to become uncomfortable.
Also, you can see how distressed that actually made her. In a world like this when do you actually see someone get that distressed for tryin… moreg to make sure they are keeping their people safe?
That's a great point!
She's also distressed when she kills Vitali to save Kenny, and that indeed is more than Kenny ever expressed toward a stranger.
Look up what a psychopath actually is before labelling Kenny as one please because he definitely is not one. Psycho's don't have a conscience. Kenny does. He may have showed psychopathic traits but he always had a reason for his actions. I'm not saying that was right or a good thing because it wasn't but trust me, he's not an actual psychopath.
Stop talking about Kenny like that
Huh. You know what, you're not wrong, but I'd probably call him a psychopath in No Going Back, at… more the absolute worst. He's just not very smart in general, but he clearly cares about how other people feel about something; he just tries to ignore it if it conflicts with his idea.
Are you that unwillingly to clump Kenny in there?
Honestly, yes. If only because one of the things I legitimately don't like about him is the fact that there's always confusion and arguments where he's concerned. Plus, why would I drag him into something when I'm talking about Jane and Jane alone?
Then I really want to see how you justify all of Kenny's actions.
I don't. Not much anyway; more like Kenny is the lesser of two evils from my perspective since he's not too smart and kinda predictable. His treatment of Larry, Ben, Mike, and Arvo is where I try to draw the line, since those are examples o… [view original content]
True, but still having Jane avoid responsibility for causing all that in the first place and then turn around and get genuinely angry when Kenny beats the boy to a pulp is a bit hypocritical. It's nice that she actually gives a shit every once in a while, but at the same time, her hands aren't exactly clean.
Jane didn't kill Sarah or Jaime. Jaime killed Jaime and Sarah killed Sarah. It doesn't matter for how many different prespectives you look at those situations. Jane didn't make Sarah nor Jaime go estatic.
Jaime had lost the will do much of anything at some point, which meant Jane had to constantly motivate her to keep going. Eventually, they in a situation where they were stuck on a adjacent rooftop with a horde of walkers coming after them and Jane couldn't get Jaime to jump to safety. So she finally just gave up and left her behind, assuming the worst when Jaime never followed her.
Troy was apparently supposed to be seen harassing her at some point but the scenes in question got cut and that brief conversation between the two didn't really indicate anything suggesting this had happened, at least as far as I can tell. Not sure if it were a completely removed element or not, but considering what we got, I kinda prefer it that way. Jane was constantly being built up as this stoic gimmickbadass throughout the episode, so the idea that Troy wasn't harassing her but actually being carefully manipulated by her over time gives her that much more credit. Plus, it brilliantly foreshadows her more darker traits with most players not giving it much thought due to Troy just being a grumpy hick.
Sarah had the misfortune of being frozen from PTSD in a trailer surrounded, a situation that caused Jane to have flashbacks of her own(Not so different?) and panic. With Walkers finally breaking open the front door and everyone else in a position to leave through the skylight, Jane then tried to pressure Clementine into leaving Sarah to save herself, ironically doing the same thing by trying to convince Clementine at her own risk. Assuming Clementine successfully gets Sarah to move, Jane insists on the walk back that Sarah isn't safe: that she's dangerous, uncaring about the lives of anyone including herself, and is liable to get someone killed. Which is technically the opposite of what actually happens: Sarah is constantly seen keeping an eye out for Rebecca out of concern and forces herself out of her funk to warn the group about the approaching herd and it is in fact Jane who risked everyone's life by distracting Luke from his guard duty and eventually gets Sarah killed when she hesitates due to deciding she won't be able to free her and determinately gets distracted when a loose plank hits her in the face, leaving her with little time to protect Sarah from the herd and causing her to run away the moment she recovers.
When she asks "How is beating a kid half to death help anything?"to Kenny. Right when she questioned his motive was the breaking point I think. When Luke died, their spirits had been pushed to far to handle and it was time to snap at anyone who posed a threat. After that, just kept snowballing downhill from there even worse as our adventure went on.
Like @IronWoodLover explains, she had no choice but to either leave Jaime behind or die next to her; and Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
That was the point.
Jaime had lost the will do much of anything at some point, which meant Jane had to constantly motivate her to keep go… moreing. Eventually, they in a situation where they were stuck on a adjacent rooftop with a horde of walkers coming after them and Jane couldn't get Jaime to jump to safety. So she finally just gave up and left her behind, assuming the worst when Jaime never followed her.
Troy was apparently supposed to be seen harassing her at some point but the scenes in question got cut and that brief conversation between the two didn't really indicate anything suggesting this had happened, at least as far as I can tell. Not sure if it were a completely removed element or not, but considering what we got, I kinda prefer it that way. Jane was constantly being built up as this stoic gimmickbadass throughout the episode, so the idea that Troy wasn't harassing her but actually being carefully manipulated by her over time gi… [view original content]
I've stated before that I agree that she was wrong to have avoided responsability for the ambush; because she clearly set events in motion by threatening him, regardless of her subsequent guilt and regret. For others reading that might disagree—it's just a fact; cause and effect.
Quite honestly, I have the impression that you're avoiding speaking about Kenny's responsibility on Arvo being taken hostage, Dabig.
True, but still having Jane avoid responsibility for causing all that in the first place and then turn around and get genuinely angry when K… moreenny beats the boy to a pulp is a bit hypocritical. It's nice that she actually gives a shit every once in a while, but at the same time, her hands aren't exactly clean.
Jane didn't kill Sarah or Jaime. Jaime killed Jaime and Sarah killed Sarah. It doesn't matter for how many different prespectives you look at those situations.
She might as well have. Granted, I brought up recently that Jaime may not have actually died, but Sarah definitely has Jane's finger prints on her, particular the "canon" death, where Jane distracting Luke and putting off helping her guaranteed it. And while Jaime is certainly debatable given what else Jane described about her, its kinda hard for Sarah to kill herself when 1. she and Jane were just a little too slow when the deck collapsed, and 2. she had little to no say in what happened, which is stupid for multiple reasons, but that's a topic for another day.
Jane didn't kill Sarah or Jaime. Jaime killed Jaime and Sarah killed Sarah. It doesn't matter for how many different prespectives you look at those situations. Jane didn't make Sarah nor Jaime go estatic.
Admittedly, Jaime is a bit of conjecture since we don't know for sure and it's more like I hold Jane responsible for what happened in those cases. The Troy thing is probably workable, especially if I missed something.
Like @IronWoodLover explains, she had no choice but to either leave Jaime behind or die next to her; and Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
Technically, you just as easily say that shooting him in the dick was an easy way to neutralize him at that range and establish Jane as this cold/manipulative badass(like I do), but I see your point.
Ugh...
Oh boy, I know I'm about to open up a can of worms when I say this and a lot of Jane fans are probably gonna be pissed but...can I just say that I don't like the idea of Jane being seen as this "feminist" icon?
that brief conversation between the two didn't really indicate anything suggesting this had happened, at least as far as I can tell.
She shoots him in the cock instead of anywhere else.
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and a deep moral conflict within her.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
Technically, you just as easily say that shooting him in the dick was an easy way to neutralize him at that range and establish Jane as this… more cold/manipulative badass(like I do), but I see your point.
Ugh...
Oh boy, I know I'm about to open up a can of worms when I say this and a lot of Jane fans are probably gonna be pissed but...can I just say that I don't like the idea of Jane being seen as this "feminist" icon?
Since you mention that your point on Jaime is a bit of a conjecture, I feel the need to ask—do you doubt Jane's story regarding her sister and the latter's potential death?
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Speaking about conjectures, Michonne Miniseries's entire conflict was ignited by a series of conjectures and misunderstandings.
Admittedly, Jaime is a bit of conjecture since we don't know for sure and it's more like I hold Jane responsible for what happened in those cases. The Troy thing is probably workable, especially if I missed something.
Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
Really, you can't say that's fact, considering it's never actually implied in the game. It may once have been, but it was cut, so it's technically not canon unless some Telltale staff turn around and say that it is.
If you ask me, I think it's more likely to suspect that Jane was manipulating Troy, as a means to find an escape.
Like @IronWoodLover explains, she had no choice but to either leave Jaime behind or die next to her; and Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and a deep moral conflict within her.
Cool.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
Oh, so you do get what I meant when I included the quotations marks? Good, cause that's how Jane can come across where Troy, Clementine, and Kenny are concerned.
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and… more a deep moral conflict within her.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and… more a deep moral conflict within her.
Cool.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
Oh, so you do get what I meant when I included the quotations marks? Good, cause that's how Jane can come across where Troy, Clementine, and Kenny are concerned.
A little bit, but only due to recent cutscene rewatching.
Jane had established herself as being stoic, logical, and pragmatic from day one, to the point of outright encouraging the deaths of the Howe's Ski Cabin Group at various points; however, when they were in the trailer park with Sarah on the floor and walkers at the door, Jane suddenly acts uncharacteristically emotional, to the point of stuttering when trying to decide what they should do and angrily pressuring Clementine to leave Sarah when she insisted on trying to talk with her. As Clementine points out on the walk back, Jane changed her stance suspiciously quickly given her stoicness, so this leads me to believe that when she says she tried to help her sister keep going until they got in that situation with the rooftop, she's telling the truth.
However, as recent rewatching reveals, Jane specifically notes that she didn't have the guts to go back and check, so she just assumed the worse when Jaime didn't follow her over and just told herself it was for the best. Given what happened with Kenny, this leads me to suspect that there's a chance that Jaime did actually survive that situation but never linked back up with Jane for whatever reason, with the latter carrying that guilt-based pragmatism with her from that day forward. The fact that Jane was so quick to throw Sarah under the bus despite not knowing her or Clementine for as long as they know each other shows that she never really recovered from doing this.
Since you mention that your point on Jaime is a bit of a conjecture, I feel the need to ask—do you doubt Jane's story regarding her sister a… morend the latter's potential death?
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Speaking about conjectures, Michonne Miniseries's entire conflict was ignited by a series of conjectures and misunderstandings.
Really, you can't say that's fact, considering it's never actually implied in the game. It may once have been, but it was cut, so it's technically not canon unless some Telltale staff turn around and say that it is.
If you ask me, I think it's more likely to suspect that Jane was manipulating Troy, as a means to find an escape.
Yeah, that's my thought too. Since 1. shooting him in the dick is just an easy way to neutralize him from that range and 2. I honestly prefer the idea that she was seducing him since the other way around kinda goes against the basic idea of her character and this way makes her seem that much more competent.
Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
Really, you can't say that's fact, considering it's never actuall… morey implied in the game. It may once have been, but it was cut, so it's technically not canon unless some Telltale staff turn around and say that it is.
If you ask me, I think it's more likely to suspect that Jane was manipulating Troy, as a means to find an escape.
I'm talking about those that think he could do no wrong and excuse every single thing. Just like how some are critical of Jane they should be with Kenny. You can't call Jane manipulative and not call Kenny the same. You can't criticize Jane for leaving her sister to what she wanted. To only excusing Kenny for wanting Lee to drop Ben to his death.
I don't agree with this point at all as I am going more by the world they are currently living through. This isn't like some very beginning stages where there is some ounce of society left. Everything is basically gone..including people in various ways. When I point out the contrast between Kenny and Jane to show how they would handle the situation. It is obvious to me that Jane is a lot more knowingly compassionate compared to Kenny. At the same time she is very cautious as to not put herself and anyone she is with in danger. So, when you have Arvo come up with the gun and all that medicine. Jane had a valid reason to want that stuff as it meant potentially saving their group. She even list off why they need this stuff and it is obvious she is kind of desperate. People like to throw blame on Jane for wanting to take that stuff. Yet, try and draw a difference with Kenny wanting to take stuff out of that car in season one.
Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions. Unfortunately, Jane's blamelessness helped to make her look worse than she probably needed to, as her list of callous actions no doubt benefit.
This whole entire section describes Kenny completely. Sure Jane in hindsight seeing Arvo's group ambush them made most go "oh shouldn't have done that". Yet, its the damn zombie outbreak and everyone is royally fucked. The fact that Jane only had it in her mind to threaten him is pretty remarkable. That is why I made that statement that Kenny would have just killed him. Now, some might argue that would be good as Arvo's people might not have found them. Well, if some have that argument then I don't even know what to say to them.
Okay, you actually spark an excellent point: Jane thought she was doing something that would help Clementine out at the cost of stooping to … morethe level of a thief. That's fine and all, but she's also intentionally screwing someone else over in the process, even with Clementine's own morality determinately being against it. And I don't just mean Natasha, but both groups in general: by threatening/deciding to take the medicine, she pissed Arvo's group off and caused them to come looking for her and Clementine, which caused the standoff that escalated into a firefight when Rebecca turned.
When all this was said and done, Rebecca, Natasha, Buricko, and Vitali were dead/deader, Mike and especially Luke were injured, and Arvo became Kenny's prisoner. By making that one unnecessary move against Arvo, Jane caused pretty much everything thing that went wrong in that final episode and yet she refused to accept responsibility for instigating the confl… [view original content]
That was the point.
Jaime had lost the will do much of anything at some point, which meant Jane had to constantly motivate her to keep go… moreing. Eventually, they in a situation where they were stuck on a adjacent rooftop with a horde of walkers coming after them and Jane couldn't get Jaime to jump to safety. So she finally just gave up and left her behind, assuming the worst when Jaime never followed her.
Troy was apparently supposed to be seen harassing her at some point but the scenes in question got cut and that brief conversation between the two didn't really indicate anything suggesting this had happened, at least as far as I can tell. Not sure if it were a completely removed element or not, but considering what we got, I kinda prefer it that way. Jane was constantly being built up as this stoic gimmickbadass throughout the episode, so the idea that Troy wasn't harassing her but actually being carefully manipulated by her over time gi… [view original content]
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and… more a deep moral conflict within her.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
They could have easily had it that Jane had the baby and didn't make it back in time. Kenny see's Luke and blames him as he got close to Jane. They start arguing and then fight and you get the choice. Afterwards you hear the baby crying. You then find Jane and the baby together. They could have also had it determinant that Jane leaves the baby in the car.
Though, how I would have liked it was Jane/Luke were basically together. If you choose Luke then you basically will go into the family ending with Jane/Luke taking care of Clementine and AJ. The family ending they had for Jane just seemed kinda underwhelming.
Yeah I don't think Luke would hide AJ and pretend that he was dead like Jane did, maybe telltale would have actually killed AJ and then Kenny would blame Luke and then they would have the fight
The feminist movement often demonizes men and relies on misandry, and I do not want to associate myself with it. The double standards you can find are so noticeable that it can get ridiculous quickly.
I'd rather advocate for equality for both sexes, period.
I'm talking about those that think he could do no wrong and excuse every single thing. Just like how some are critical of Jane they should b… moree with Kenny. You can't call Jane manipulative and not call Kenny the same. You can't criticize Jane for leaving her sister to what she wanted. To only excusing Kenny for wanting Lee to drop Ben to his death.
I think Jane and Troy had a sexual relationship. Troy probably wanted to sleep with Jane and Jane was desperate for food and water decided to sleep with him. However once she saw how determined Clem and her group were to escape Howe's she decided to get revenge on Troy when she saw him and shot his dick. Just my opinion on this topic.
Really, you can't say that's fact, considering it's never actually implied in the game. It may once have been, but it was cut, so it's techn… moreically not canon unless some Telltale staff turn around and say that it is.
If you ask me, I think it's more likely to suspect that Jane was manipulating Troy, as a means to find an escape.
Yeah, that's my thought too. Since 1. shooting him in the dick is just an easy way to neutralize him from that range and 2. I honestly prefer the idea that she was seducing him since the other way around kinda goes against the basic idea of her character and this way makes her seem that much more competent.
However once she saw how determined Clem and her group were to escape Howe's she decided to get revenge on Troy when she saw him and shot his dick. Just my opinion on this topic.
Jane:How dare you risk your job to sneak me extra food in exchange for some cuchi-- take this, dickhead! I'm sorry, but that last part got a laugh outta me.
I think Jane and Troy had a sexual relationship. Troy probably wanted to sleep with Jane and Jane was desperate for food and water decided t… moreo sleep with him. However once she saw how determined Clem and her group were to escape Howe's she decided to get revenge on Troy when she saw him and shot his dick. Just my opinion on this topic.
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The second they met each other.
He/she was being sarcastic. Basically, me describe a sociopath in reference to Jane felt more appropriate to Kenny in their perspective.
That's a great point!
She's also distressed when she kills Vitali to save Kenny, and that indeed is more than Kenny ever expressed toward a stranger.
This in particular, in my opinion, is Kenny's responsibility.
I do. He's my 3rd favorite character in all of the games.
That's a curious way to look at it, but I suppose it makes sense!
Thats because Jane had never killed anyone who hadn't wronged her in some way before
Look up what a psychopath actually is before labelling Kenny as one please because he definitely is not one. Psycho's don't have a conscience. Kenny does. He may have showed psychopathic traits but he always had a reason for his actions. I'm not saying that was right or a good thing because it wasn't but trust me, he's not an actual psychopath.
True, but still having Jane avoid responsibility for causing all that in the first place and then turn around and get genuinely angry when Kenny beats the boy to a pulp is a bit hypocritical. It's nice that she actually gives a shit every once in a while, but at the same time, her hands aren't exactly clean.
.cough Jaime .coughcough Troy .coughcoughcough Sarah .cough
Lol good point but did any of them "wrong" her in any way? Maybe Troy but that's it
Jane didn't kill Sarah or Jaime. Jaime killed Jaime and Sarah killed Sarah. It doesn't matter for how many different prespectives you look at those situations. Jane didn't make Sarah nor Jaime go estatic.
That was the point.
Jaime had lost the will do much of anything at some point, which meant Jane had to constantly motivate her to keep going. Eventually, they in a situation where they were stuck on a adjacent rooftop with a horde of walkers coming after them and Jane couldn't get Jaime to jump to safety. So she finally just gave up and left her behind, assuming the worst when Jaime never followed her.
Troy was apparently supposed to be seen harassing her at some point but the scenes in question got cut and that brief conversation between the two didn't really indicate anything suggesting this had happened, at least as far as I can tell. Not sure if it were a completely removed element or not, but considering what we got, I kinda prefer it that way. Jane was constantly being built up as this stoic gimmickbadass throughout the episode, so the idea that Troy wasn't harassing her but actually being carefully manipulated by her over time gives her that much more credit. Plus, it brilliantly foreshadows her more darker traits with most players not giving it much thought due to Troy just being a grumpy hick.
Sarah had the misfortune of being frozen from PTSD in a trailer surrounded, a situation that caused Jane to have flashbacks of her own(Not so different?) and panic. With Walkers finally breaking open the front door and everyone else in a position to leave through the skylight, Jane then tried to pressure Clementine into leaving Sarah to save herself, ironically doing the same thing by trying to convince Clementine at her own risk. Assuming Clementine successfully gets Sarah to move, Jane insists on the walk back that Sarah isn't safe: that she's dangerous, uncaring about the lives of anyone including herself, and is liable to get someone killed. Which is technically the opposite of what actually happens: Sarah is constantly seen keeping an eye out for Rebecca out of concern and forces herself out of her funk to warn the group about the approaching herd and it is in fact Jane who risked everyone's life by distracting Luke from his guard duty and eventually gets Sarah killed when she hesitates due to deciding she won't be able to free her and determinately gets distracted when a loose plank hits her in the face, leaving her with little time to protect Sarah from the herd and causing her to run away the moment she recovers.
When she asks "How is beating a kid half to death help anything?"to Kenny. Right when she questioned his motive was the breaking point I think. When Luke died, their spirits had been pushed to far to handle and it was time to snap at anyone who posed a threat. After that, just kept snowballing downhill from there even worse as our adventure went on.
Like @IronWoodLover explains, she had no choice but to either leave Jaime behind or die next to her; and Troy had indeed wronged her in the past by sexually molesting her.
She shoots him in the cock instead of anywhere else.
I've stated before that I agree that she was wrong to have avoided responsability for the ambush; because she clearly set events in motion by threatening him, regardless of her subsequent guilt and regret. For others reading that might disagree—it's just a fact; cause and effect.
Quite honestly, I have the impression that you're avoiding speaking about Kenny's responsibility on Arvo being taken hostage, Dabig.
She might as well have. Granted, I brought up recently that Jaime may not have actually died, but Sarah definitely has Jane's finger prints on her, particular the "canon" death, where Jane distracting Luke and putting off helping her guaranteed it. And while Jaime is certainly debatable given what else Jane described about her, its kinda hard for Sarah to kill herself when 1. she and Jane were just a little too slow when the deck collapsed, and 2. she had little to no say in what happened, which is stupid for multiple reasons, but that's a topic for another day.
Um...
Admittedly, Jaime is a bit of conjecture since we don't know for sure and it's more like I hold Jane responsible for what happened in those cases. The Troy thing is probably workable, especially if I missed something.
Technically, you just as easily say that shooting him in the dick was an easy way to neutralize him at that range and establish Jane as this cold/manipulative badass(like I do), but I see your point.
Ugh...
Oh boy, I know I'm about to open up a can of worms when I say this and a lot of Jane fans are probably gonna be pissed but...can I just say that I don't like the idea of Jane being seen as this "feminist" icon?
I don't see her as a feminist icon, honestly. I consider Jane to be a complex, realistic and rich character with an assortment of traits and a deep moral conflict within her.
Feminist icons are, to me, women who can do everything better than any male character ever could, because, of course, they're superior, and they don't love anybody unless it's another woman; they do not fall for the game of them filthy patriarchal pigs.
Since you mention that your point on Jaime is a bit of a conjecture, I feel the need to ask—do you doubt Jane's story regarding her sister and the latter's potential death?
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Speaking about conjectures, Michonne Miniseries's entire conflict was ignited by a series of conjectures and misunderstandings.
Really, you can't say that's fact, considering it's never actually implied in the game. It may once have been, but it was cut, so it's technically not canon unless some Telltale staff turn around and say that it is.
If you ask me, I think it's more likely to suspect that Jane was manipulating Troy, as a means to find an escape.
Cool.
Oh, so you do get what I meant when I included the quotations marks? Good, cause that's how Jane can come across where Troy, Clementine, and Kenny are concerned.
I just don't see it.
A little bit, but only due to recent cutscene rewatching.
Jane had established herself as being stoic, logical, and pragmatic from day one, to the point of outright encouraging the deaths of the Howe's Ski Cabin Group at various points; however, when they were in the trailer park with Sarah on the floor and walkers at the door, Jane suddenly acts uncharacteristically emotional, to the point of stuttering when trying to decide what they should do and angrily pressuring Clementine to leave Sarah when she insisted on trying to talk with her. As Clementine points out on the walk back, Jane changed her stance suspiciously quickly given her stoicness, so this leads me to believe that when she says she tried to help her sister keep going until they got in that situation with the rooftop, she's telling the truth.
However, as recent rewatching reveals, Jane specifically notes that she didn't have the guts to go back and check, so she just assumed the worse when Jaime didn't follow her over and just told herself it was for the best. Given what happened with Kenny, this leads me to suspect that there's a chance that Jaime did actually survive that situation but never linked back up with Jane for whatever reason, with the latter carrying that guilt-based pragmatism with her from that day forward. The fact that Jane was so quick to throw Sarah under the bus despite not knowing her or Clementine for as long as they know each other shows that she never really recovered from doing this.
Yeah, that's my thought too. Since 1. shooting him in the dick is just an easy way to neutralize him from that range and 2. I honestly prefer the idea that she was seducing him since the other way around kinda goes against the basic idea of her character and this way makes her seem that much more competent.
I'm talking about those that think he could do no wrong and excuse every single thing. Just like how some are critical of Jane they should be with Kenny. You can't call Jane manipulative and not call Kenny the same. You can't criticize Jane for leaving her sister to what she wanted. To only excusing Kenny for wanting Lee to drop Ben to his death.
I don't agree with this point at all as I am going more by the world they are currently living through. This isn't like some very beginning stages where there is some ounce of society left. Everything is basically gone..including people in various ways. When I point out the contrast between Kenny and Jane to show how they would handle the situation. It is obvious to me that Jane is a lot more knowingly compassionate compared to Kenny. At the same time she is very cautious as to not put herself and anyone she is with in danger. So, when you have Arvo come up with the gun and all that medicine. Jane had a valid reason to want that stuff as it meant potentially saving their group. She even list off why they need this stuff and it is obvious she is kind of desperate. People like to throw blame on Jane for wanting to take that stuff. Yet, try and draw a difference with Kenny wanting to take stuff out of that car in season one.
This whole entire section describes Kenny completely. Sure Jane in hindsight seeing Arvo's group ambush them made most go "oh shouldn't have done that". Yet, its the damn zombie outbreak and everyone is royally fucked. The fact that Jane only had it in her mind to threaten him is pretty remarkable. That is why I made that statement that Kenny would have just killed him. Now, some might argue that would be good as Arvo's people might not have found them. Well, if some have that argument then I don't even know what to say to them.
Kind of reaching by just trying to blame Jane for that.
Isn't being a feminist basically just the struggle of being equal to men?
Why are we always pushing it as trying to be "superior" than men?
They could have easily had it that Jane had the baby and didn't make it back in time. Kenny see's Luke and blames him as he got close to Jane. They start arguing and then fight and you get the choice. Afterwards you hear the baby crying. You then find Jane and the baby together. They could have also had it determinant that Jane leaves the baby in the car.
Though, how I would have liked it was Jane/Luke were basically together. If you choose Luke then you basically will go into the family ending with Jane/Luke taking care of Clementine and AJ. The family ending they had for Jane just seemed kinda underwhelming.
The feminist movement often demonizes men and relies on misandry, and I do not want to associate myself with it. The double standards you can find are so noticeable that it can get ridiculous quickly.
I'd rather advocate for equality for both sexes, period.
Yes I can: Jane is manipulative, Kenny is pigheaded. See?
Uh, yes you can and almost certainly will.
Yeeeah, you got me there. That was goin a little too far for my tastes.
I think Jane and Troy had a sexual relationship. Troy probably wanted to sleep with Jane and Jane was desperate for food and water decided to sleep with him. However once she saw how determined Clem and her group were to escape Howe's she decided to get revenge on Troy when she saw him and shot his dick. Just my opinion on this topic.
Jane:How dare you risk your job to sneak me extra food in exchange for some cuchi-- take this, dickhead!
I'm sorry, but that last part got a laugh outta me.