Why did you have the option to shoot Kenny after he killed Jane?
After seeing the ending where Kenny kills Jane, there is an option to shoot him. I don't think it really makes much sense unless the developers really wanted you to get rid of him. I don't exactly understand why you would shoot Kenny after the incident, unless you really hated him. I just want to know the thought process of shooting Kenny after. I don't think it is in Clem's character to just shoot people, so the option didn't make sense. I'm guessing that the reason that it's there is if you're just really mad at Kenny for killing Jane or you just really hate him, but I still don't think that makes much sense considering Clem's character. I think just leaving him is better than killing him, so it makes me think the developers had it out to get rid of Kenny especially if you had the option TWICE to shoot him. I'm just wondering what the logic is in that?
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Um, I think you just unintentionally answered your own question...
I think the real question is why there wasn't an option to shoot Jane after killing Kenny.
umm, because he killed jane?
Probably because Clementine would have to put AJ away, pull out her gun, and aim it at Jane who is standing right in front of her the whole time and could easily disarm her just as soon as she realizes that she was going to kill her.
I honestly think that is the best ending when you play a Hardened Clem.
Lets say in season 1 Lee tells Clem to avoid groups and trust no one.
After a season of dealing with incompetents, psycho's, whimp's and two crazy ass people who would rather have a petty arguement than then tend to an 11 year old with a bullet hole in her. It makes sense for Clem to finally heed Les's advice and kill the man who just killed a woman for failing to protect AJ
There should have at least been an option to try, even if she just disarmed you and left and you got the alone ending. I've read countless experiences from players who essentially felt tricked into killing Kenny and then wished they could have killed her in revenge. Instead you can only tell her she's crazy, you should be able to kill her like you can kill Kenny after the fact.
You basically answered the question yourself. She killed Kenny because he killed Jane. People didn't like that ending because "it's not in Clementine's character". The problem with that is she had NO character in S2. She did what we controlled her to do. We controlled her to be nice, sassy, bitchy, or quiet the whole time. The ending doesn't define her character, we as a player do.
I'm with @VengefulKenny
there's a moment when Clem hears AJ and Jane gives her a sad look. I think it would've worked then to have options like "Punch Jane" "Shoot Jane" "Run to AJ"
This choice is more of a shooting Kenny in anger moment, it's a murder but I don't think it's out of character. Remember what Lee said when explaining Lilly's actions?
"She was sad, Clem, that can make people angry sometimes. Bad things happen to everyone and it's hard to keep being yourself after they do"
You think at the time that it's foreshadowing what Kenny will do but you can interpret it as Clem being sad and angry. Even Lee has been that angry.
Probably because Clementine already shot a member of the group and didn't want to shoot another one?
Dangit, you beat me to it!
I get the idea behind it, that Kenny was gone too far gone and it would be best for everyone to just put him out of his misery. But Season 2 had that problem in general: stuff happening for the sake of a reaction rather than because it makes sense.
Some would say the same for Kenny, oddly enough.
I would say that she absolutely no character, but rather that her character didn't really matter to the story that had been decided on halfway through the Season. Yes, we determined who she was at certain points of the story while going with the flow, but she would occasionally show her own personality even though nothing she did really impacted much for very long.
Choices were made for her, her attempts to care about certain characters was punished, and most of the established initial story made way for a select few to shine while hanging off of strings attached to Clementine.
Technically, the endings are determined by the direction of her character during the final choices.
It is because in that scenario Clementine killed Kenny, not Jane.
We can kill Kenny after he has already killed Jane.
Probably the murderer of Culver St.
Technically, it isn't!
Nobody likes Sleep.
I suppose that varies from player to player, so you are right.
How can that not be considered murder?
Me too.
A killing only qualifies as murder if it was premeditated. If it had not been planned, then it qualifies as manslaughter.
Telltale probably assumed allowing an option where Clem murdered Kenny outright would finally placate his more vitriolic online haters. Sadly, they were wrong.
I always thought manslaughter was if you killed someone accidently.
Accidental, if I remember correctly, is one of the many degrees of manslaughter.
Okay so technically it's not murder but my point still stands. She kills him in a fit of anger and knew exactly what she was doing.
Which I also think should've been an option.
To be clear, I am strictly saying that Kenny was killed by Clementine and not by Jane, not that Clementine killed Kenny instead of killing Jane.
Oh, sorry, I should've been clearer: I meant that Jane killing Kenny and determinately Clementine shooting Jane should've also been an option to keep things even.
I would not have liked the aftertaste of that, to be honest.
...K.
But that should be up to our Clementine.
Again, it is up to the player for what type of character Clementine is.
"Knew exactly what she was doing."
Well... yes and no. Killing in a fit of anger/rage is different than murder (which is through intention/premeditated), and is treated separately in court (it would fit under voluntary manslaughter).
Both murders and manslaughter fit under the category "homicide" but involve different circumstances leading up to one person killing another. (I'm a bit rusty on the legal terms, so sorry if I cause confusion/make mistakes).
Now, for my two cents on the matter...
So Clementine could kill Kenny in the heat of the moment after he kills Jane, but Clementine has no reason to cause Jane any harm until after they find the baby and she explains her intentions. By that point, the player's opinion that Kenny overreacted should still stand, regardless of the aftermath. If that makes any sense? I'm not saying she couldn't still kill Jane, but at that point the conflict has died down, and instead of killing another person (haven't the walkers been killing enough of them?) you can simply choose to walk out on your own.
Yeah but remember, just because we encourage these characters to act in certain ways and do certain things, they still very much have their own character - it's the reason why Lee chooses to refrain from saying certain things to the police officer, it's the reason why Clementine can't outright dislike Kenny, it's the reason why, in certain situations, we are only given the options that those characters think are suitable. At least that's what I think.
I never chose this option, because I absolutely hated it. However, I think the reason it's there is because Clem (the player) thinks Kenny is still a danger after killing Jane and you were too late to save her, because the decision between the two was too much (or Kenny deserves to avenge AJ). With Kenny seeing you point your gun at him, he realizes that too (also thinks AJ's dead) and accepts death.
Even though I more than agree with this, it's unfortunately also one of the Season's major drawbacks, with Kenny's entire prominence, Carver's cliche shtick, and to a lesser extent Jane being products of it.
Not to mention incredibly stupid given all that has happened.
That's one of the Season's major drawbacks, with Kenny's entire prominence, Carver's cliche shtick, and to a lesser extent Jane being products of it: Clementine's character isn't as grounded as Lee's was in Season 1, despite her being a NPC back then.
Also, technically, she gives Kenny enough time to realize what she's about to do and he resigns himself to it.