The Truth about the Season 2 and Kenny

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  • They were his group's, and Arvo was part of his group.

    Permaximum posted: »

    They weren't Arvo's.

  • Jane steals Arvo's pistol regardless of whether Clementine wants to take the pills or not. In TWD, not having a weapon can be a death sentence. It's also heavily implied that Carver did rape Rebecca by a comment he made and her having stayed to watch Kenny take his vengeance. As for Kenny mourning Sarita more than his old family: it's called PTSD. He had lost the person who had restored his faith and shown him happiness again.

    Arshei posted: »

    Carver didn't rape Rebecca, if you don't have any solid proof don't say that sort of things. Is like me saying Bruce Wayne is Batman with

  • No. Kenny did nothing bad in my game. And Kenny does nothing worse than what Lilly did in all personal games combined.

    Arshei posted: »

    Lilly also did a lot of things for the group, yet everyone hates her for 1 action, Kenny did a lot worse yet everyone forgives him.

  • edited December 2016

    Carver didn't rape Rebecca, if you don't have any solid proof don't say that sort of things.

    "What the fuck are you looking at, bitch? Don't act like you didn't enjoy every second of it." Then there's him habit of being touchy with her and his viewing of her as a "strong woman".

    Now everything is Luke and Jane fault? where was Kenny before? just crying in his tent and feeling sorry for himself, hell he cried more for Sarita than for Katjaa and Duck.

    Yeah, Clementine, Bonnie, and Mike were the only ones with their heads on straight and their bodies in working order in that episode, if I'm being honest.

    Jane doesn't steal the medicine from Arvo, is Clementine who decides if they should or shouldn't.

    She still tried to do so, pressured Clementine into doing it, threatened him and indirectly his sister, and sent him off without any defense.

    Arshei posted: »

    Carver didn't rape Rebecca, if you don't have any solid proof don't say that sort of things. Is like me saying Bruce Wayne is Batman with

  • What about the other way? What about if you sided with Kenny? Then Kenny acts bold, heroic and saves the day. And saves Lee. If you don't side with him, he simply doesn't act for you in a dangerous sitiuation because he wants to save his family and doesn't want to risk his life for a guy that just put them in danger.

    False. Yes, Kenny acts like a dickhead to you at some points in the game if you sided with Lilly, but to say he will 'let you die' for the r

  • Kenny's racist comments toward Arvo were objectionable, but he brought his group down on us to rob and kill, thanks to Jane.

    I don't know, from the way they acted, I don't think Arvo was planning to kill the group, at least not within his own thoughts. Even the whole "drop your weapons so we can take what we want" thing seemed to be an on the spot decision by Buricko, which Arvo seems to have scruples about no matter how you treated him. Now, that''s not gonna stop Buricko or especially Vitali from doing so anyway should they feel like it, but you get the idea.

    Bon-Bon posted: »

    I agree mostly. Some players want to demonise Kenny without taking in account all the information. I don't think he was wrong to beat Carver

  • There's always a good reason for what Kenny does. I will answer any questions from Jane or Lilly fans with comfort if they have any.

  • I sugest you reread the part on where I remind you that regardless of whether on not you helped him with Larry, Lee still saves his family. Lee is the one who frees Katjaa from Brenda, not Kenny. Lee is the one who frees Duck from Andy, not Kenny. Still, he shows no sign of being grateful for these deeds, only because we wanted to give Larry's life a chance. That is not ok.

    Permaximum posted: »

    What about the other way? What about if you sided with Kenny? Then Kenny acts bold, heroic and saves the day. And saves Lee. If you don't si

  • Arvo: What should we take?

    Buricko: Fuck if I know! Anything they have.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Kenny's racist comments toward Arvo were objectionable, but he brought his group down on us to rob and kill, thanks to Jane. I don't

  • The selfless part unnerved me. Season 1, he was selfless for his family (and Lee if you side with him). To the others, he didn't give a shit. I can understand on Ben though. I don't hate him but he has his faults. Faults that shouldn't even been repeated in Season 2.

  • Cos Kenny was in denial. He couldn't handle the death of his own son. Simple as that. That doesn't make him an evil man, that shows that he is an emotionally unstable person in times of crisis.

    You know if you don't manage to convince him to stop the train, Clem, Katjaa, I think Ben too, and Lee dies because of Zombie Duck?
    Why he can let his own zombie son go kill people but he can't let Lilly father bite some asses?

    When was this? I don't remember this at all.

    I had to play the whole scene just to take the screenshots
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    I don't remember this. If it's true then that's a bit harsh from Kenny, sure. If being denied a spot on a boat which half the community doesnt take seriously is your reason for hating Kenny...

    It is, he got angry when I didn't gave him food, can't I get angry if he doesn't want to invite me to his party boat?

  • No. They probably claimed them. And they lost the right on them when they tried to kill Kenny's group.

    They were his group's, and Arvo was part of his group.

  • Yes, Lee still saves his family because Kenny was shot. And Kenny saves Lee from Danny before that happens. If you side with him.

    I sugest you reread the part on where I remind you that regardless of whether on not you helped him with Larry, Lee still saves his family.

  • We will continue to differ if this goes forward.

    Permaximum posted: »

    No. They probably claimed them. And they lost the right on them when they tried to kill Kenny's group.

  • What are you even implying? It's not a matter of "lose his life for Clem". Sacrifices doesn't always mean death. An example is how he begs the woman at Wellington to take Clem and AJ (and even says to take all the supplies too) to keep them safe while he goes off on his own without anything and anyone. Jane would never do that, she even says to Clem "I can't do this alone" if she leaves her which just goes to show that yeah, she may like Clem, but everything she did on the game was for her own selfish reasons.

    You picked Kenny over Jane because you want to be with somebody who would lose their lives for Clementine, but, if it came to it, would you return Kenny that gratitude and lose Clementine's life for him?

  • Why he can let his own zombie son go kill people but he can't let Lilly father bite some asses?

    At least in the parallel universe where that happens, he learns he was wrong after he got to Savannah and learned that Lee and Duck fell out and anyone who didn't do the same attacks him.
    To be serious though, Duck or Larry biting someone is a no-no either way, so being prepared to do what's necessary if the worst happens would've been for the best.

    Arshei posted: »

    Cos Kenny was in denial. He couldn't handle the death of his own son. Simple as that. That doesn't make him an evil man, that shows that he

  • Funnilly enough, those bags appeared to be the same kind they give away at Wellington. Irony?!

    Anyway, they were technically Arvo's stuff and he offered to let the group use them as a peace offering. He technically never said anything about the truck and Kenny was planning on leaving him behind anyway, with or without any of his supplies. So, Karma?

    Permaximum posted: »

    No. They probably claimed them. And they lost the right on them when they tried to kill Kenny's group.

  • Sacrifices doesn't always mean death.

    That was a misunderstanding on semantics, then. My apologies!

    he goes off on his own without anything and anyone. Jane would never do that, she even says to Clem "I can't do this alone" if she leaves her

    Yes, and then she goes off on her own without anything and anyone.

    which just goes to show that yeah, she may like Clem, but everything she did on the game was for her own selfish reasons.

    …which is why she can decide to allow a family into a safe building at the cost of having less supplies for Clementine and herself; or why she can, albeit immorally, steal from a teenager medicine that will not benefit her in any way.

    pinkytwist posted: »

    What are you even implying? It's not a matter of "lose his life for Clem". Sacrifices doesn't always mean death. An example is how he begs t

  • That is an interesting perspective indeed.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Funnilly enough, those bags appeared to be the same kind they give away at Wellington. Irony?! Anyway, they were technically Arvo's stuff

  • Kenny fixed that truck. It wasn't even working. Some of you really skew the facts. And who says they were Arvo's? There are million reasons for why they weren't Arvo's group but someone elses before the zombie apocalypse.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Funnilly enough, those bags appeared to be the same kind they give away at Wellington. Irony?! Anyway, they were technically Arvo's stuff

  • Because she was trying to win Clementine. You cannot claim a person or win a person by force. Jane fans are so without any emotions and see people as just "things" that I started to think they can be psychopaths too.

    Sacrifices doesn't always mean death. That was a misunderstanding on semantics, then. My apologies! he goes off on his own wit

  • Maybe Arvo's group had been turned away from Wellington for the same reason Kenny and Clem originally were and that is why they had those bags.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Funnilly enough, those bags appeared to be the same kind they give away at Wellington. Irony?! Anyway, they were technically Arvo's stuff

  • edited December 2016

    Because she was trying to win Clementine.

    None of these are done in an attempt to win her.

    Jane fans are so without any emotions and see people as just "things" that I started to think they can be psychopaths too.

    Generalizing, disrespectful and condescending; and inaccurate.

    Permaximum posted: »

    Because she was trying to win Clementine. You cannot claim a person or win a person by force. Jane fans are so without any emotions and see people as just "things" that I started to think they can be psychopaths too.

  • She did that so Clementine would intervene, in the original scene Jane was the one killing Kenny, and even though he was the one losing, Clem had the option to kill Kenny.
    Remember she only got attacked by Kenny when she wasn't using her knife, Jane could have ended Kenny very quickly.

    Permaximum posted: »

    Sorry to disappoint you but you didn't went with the REAL survivor. An unarmed, injured, one-eyed old man Kenny kills armed Jane in a fight to death if the player never intervenes.

  • And if Lee doesn't side with him, Kenny will leave Lee to die, Lee still saves his family and Kenny still shows no sign of being grateful. What's exactly your point?

    Permaximum posted: »

    Yes, Lee still saves his family because Kenny was shot. And Kenny saves Lee from Danny before that happens. If you side with him.

  • PermaximumPermaximum Banned
    edited December 2016

    Lee? Clementine? Christa? Even Ben? Not enough?

    In season 2 he cared for people too. He even cared for Jane until the very last moment. Losing his family again caused such a trauma for him, expectedly, so I was surprised he could get his sanity back with the birth of AJ.

    pr0dz posted: »

    The selfless part unnerved me. Season 1, he was selfless for his family (and Lee if you side with him). To the others, he didn't give a shit

  • Carol from the series lost her daughter and she isn't crazy.

    Permaximum posted: »

    He lost "a son". That's the top point of psychological pain. And he lost his entire family just in front of him, twice! That's very different than what others suffered.

  • edited December 2016

    Yes, and then she goes off on her own without anything and anyone.

    What was she going to do? Force Clem to be with her? She had no choice, but we know it's not what she wanted and she begged. When you choose to leave Kenny and tell him he is dangerous, he straight away agrees with you and asks you to take AJ and keep him safe and encourages Clem to go.

    …which is why she can decide to allow a family into a safe building at the cost of having less supplies for Clementine and herself; or why she can, albeit immorally, steal from a teenager medicine that will not benefit her in any way.

    She doesn't want the family to join them in the first place, it's pretty obvious from her reaction and what she says to Clem if she turns them away. "Thanks for doing that, after looking at that kid I wasn't sure I could do it myself." She just doesn't want to do the dirty job herself. Just like she wanted Clem to be the one to kill Kenny.

    Sacrifices doesn't always mean death. That was a misunderstanding on semantics, then. My apologies! he goes off on his own wit

  • "What the fuck are you looking at, bitch? Don't act like you didn't enjoy every second of it." Then there's him habit of being touchy with her and his viewing of her as a "strong woman".

    Then she would just have told Alvin she got raped, instead of just having sex with him so when she has the baby it makes sense.
    She doesn't even treat or look at Carver as if she hated him. She only hates him when Alvin is killed.

    Yeah, Clementine, Bonnie, and Mike were the only ones with their heads on straight and their bodies in working order in that episode, if I'm being honest.

    As I remember, Bonnie did nothing, she only sent Clementine to get bit so she could open the door where the water was, yes you can tell her to open the door herself, but if Clementine does something Bonnie work is.. doing nothing!

    She still tried to do so, pressured Clementine into doing it, threatened him and indirectly his sister, and sent him off without any defense.

    What a terrible thing to do to a stranger in a zombie-apocalyptic world.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Carver didn't rape Rebecca, if you don't have any solid proof don't say that sort of things. "What the fuck are you looking at, bitc

  • He let's lee die, he doesn't care about looking for Clem when Lee ask to (Of course if you didn't side with him THE WHOLE GAME), and he wanted first Ben to die.

    Permaximum posted: »

    Lee? Clementine? Christa? Even Ben? Not enough? In season 2 he cared for people too. He even cared for Jane until the very last moment. L

  • No. If you don't side with him, Kenny will not leave Lee to die. He just won't risk his life for someone that still can save himself after putting Kenny's family in danger. Especially in a moment where Kenny's family needs him most to survive.

    And if Lee doesn't side with him, Kenny will leave Lee to die, Lee still saves his family and Kenny still shows no sign of being grateful. What's exactly your point?

  • PermaximumPermaximum Banned
    edited December 2016

    He never lets Lee die in any of the playthroughs. I explained it in one of the previous posts. He saved Lee more than once. He still cares about looking for Clem even if you never sided with him ONCE as long as you mentioned the importance of family.

    Arshei posted: »

    He let's lee die, he doesn't care about looking for Clem when Lee ask to (Of course if you didn't side with him THE WHOLE GAME), and he wanted first Ben to die.

  • Katjaa and Duck need Kenny most to survive while they are having a peaceful evening at the Travelier Motel?

    Permaximum posted: »

    No. If you don't side with him, Kenny will not leave Lee to die. He just won't risk his life for someone that still can save himself after putting Kenny's family in danger. Especially in a moment where Kenny's family needs him most to survive.

  • Oh god its 2014 all over again, abandon thread

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  • PermaximumPermaximum Banned
    edited December 2016

    Kenny isn't crazy too although Kenny also lost his wife and his girlfriend too along with Duck, all of them in front of his eyes (or one eye :) ).

    Actually, Carol has become even more cruel then Kenny without any signs of real emotions until the very last episodes.

    Arshei posted: »

    Carol from the series lost her daughter and she isn't crazy.

  • and encourages Clem to go.

    He did, and Jane didn't, because Jane is mentally fit to take care of two children, while Kenny is prove to daily outbursts of recklessness that—more often that not—get in the way of his intentions.

    She doesn't want the family to join them in the first place, it's pretty obvious from her reaction and what she says to Clem if she turns them away. "Thanks for doing that, after looking at that kid I wasn't sure I could do it myself." She just doesn't want to do the dirty job herself. Just like she wanted Clem to be the one to kill Kenny.

    Ignore that she can decide to let them in by herself.

    pinkytwist posted: »

    Yes, and then she goes off on her own without anything and anyone. What was she going to do? Force Clem to be with her? She had no c

  • Kenny's clothes were not his before the apocalypse, so he is a thief¿

    Permaximum posted: »

    Kenny fixed that truck. It wasn't even working. Some of you really skew the facts. And who says they were Arvo's? There are million reasons for why they weren't Arvo's group but someone elses before the zombie apocalypse.

  • Take me with you.

    Plan_R posted: »

    Oh god its 2014 all over again, abandon thread

  • No. If you don't side with him, Kenny will not leave Lee to die.

    Yes, he does. Thankfully, Lilly comes to save Lee's life. Had she not been there, and Lee would've died with Kenny idly standing by, doing nothing.

    I did not put Kenny's family in danger. My Lee and Lilly were willing to take the risk of performing CPR in Larry so he could possibly live. Kenny put his family above Lilly's family and decides that Larry's life is not worth fighting for.

    After he does it, Lee frees him out of the meat locker so they could save his family and still no sign of gratitude.

    Finally, he leaves you to your fate with Danny St. John. when, as we all know, he had a chance to easily intervene and save Lee.

    My point still stands. Even after Lee saved his family, Kenny once again decided to leave him to die. He is despicable and that is not ok.

    Permaximum posted: »

    No. If you don't side with him, Kenny will not leave Lee to die. He just won't risk his life for someone that still can save himself after putting Kenny's family in danger. Especially in a moment where Kenny's family needs him most to survive.

  • Did you just contradict yourself and confirmed what I was trying to prove? lol :D

    Kenny's clothes were not his before the apocalypse, so he is a thief¿

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