Cannon choices?

TheDerpGod · December 2016

So here is something that has bothered me for 2 days...

     So you know how Robert  Kirkmen, I'm pretty sure that's how you spell his name, said that "The games are very much in the same universe of the comics." Pretty sure that's how he said it. Something I want to know, what are the cannon choices? Choices that affect stuff... like Carley or Doug, Kenny or Jade, cut lee's arm or naw, drop Ben or pick him up, stuff like that, choices that affect more that just character dialog. Also... also... 


  people have been speculating that because of a bat covered in barbed wire was an emoji in some telltales tweets, there might be Negan in season 3... so how would that affect the comic universe, would characters in the game be in the comics? If the comics had events from this, Robert would have to choose cannon choices. So if an admin or whatever sees this, could you please ask telltale and make a list of the choices and bring it on over here? Thanks!

Dont_Look_Back · December 2016

Not sure if there are any "canon" choices, since all choices end up not really affecting the ending. The only thing they affect is dialogue (sometimes).

Also, due to the very fact that they're in the same universe as you mentioned, it's physically impossible for Negan to be in season 3. Sorry to burst your bubble.

TheDerpGod · December 2016

Sorry about the way it came out, Unless it just shows on my screen, but it makes each paragraph just one line going of the screen, and I have to scroll all the way to the right to see it.

Nikolaj-11 · December 2016

Wooo, I can scroll all the way out to the right

Telltale_Luke · December 2016

Every choice is canon, because every player has their own canon unique to them.

Deltino · December 2016

Cannon choices?

Well, there was that scene in episode 4 when walkers were attacking the deck...

DabigRG · December 2016

Kenny and Jade

Oh fuck yeah, I'm picking Jade!

This is an interesting topic though. Might consider starting a serious discussion here.

megamike15 · December 2016

well i see clem shooting lee at the end canon.

Hawkes · December 2016

I always thought of the option to save Carley as the cannon one, and Doug as the secondary option just to make replaying the game interesting (no offense to Doug fans)
But Carley: - Is in the image of Ep 1

Saves your group and specially Duck's life when you arrive to Macon
Supports your group and is shown as an interesting character while Doug is in the back doing nothing
Saves your life or Clementine life from the walker in the bathroom
You have a lot of conversations with her and you can offer her an energy bar
Knows about your past and instead of telling everyone about it, she trusts in you
She goes with you to save Glenn at the hotel

Not to mention she later becomes a "romance" option, the only character that supports Lee as the leader of the group, her interactions with the group are a much more active, and she has a lot of content in Ep 3.

While Doug... gets one small scene in EP 1, talks about his laser point, eats half the food that Brenda gives you, and in Ep 3 he only feels useless and to get rid of him they made him save Ben's life.

sony12 · December 2016

Yeah there is no possible way Negan will be in season 3. Negan is in a prison in Alexandria at the time season 3 takes place.

Handsome Lee · December 2016

Wasn't she "Jane"?

Nevermind, I got the joke.

wrestlingdead12 · December 2016

Technically, when we play as Clem ,we change the Walking Dead universe infinite of ways. We are somewhat creating alternate timelines in a sense, if the Walking Dead universe believed in the butterfly effect.

prink34320 · December 2016

Was that really a choice though? Didn't we have to do it in order to break the deck as planned?

AronDracula · December 2016

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DabigRG · December 2016

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TheDerpGod · December 2016

Mutha fucka... I thought it was Jade for a LOOOOOOOOONG time alright, then I is get season 2 for myself and turned on subtitles, I'm gonna put a nerf gun to my head...jhfxjrt31&02&:)gv79,so.80.amsi91

TheDerpGod · December 2016

Yup

TheDerpGod · December 2016

Oh no I noticed this too...

Carley has a gun and saves you when ben's teacher/class mate turns
She lets you tell people about your past so in episode 3 they don't get mad at you
And that's about all I've noticed for Carley,

For Doug we got

UNIVERSAL REMOTE HACKING STUFF!!!

That's it

TheDerpGod · December 2016

But Jesus...

TheDerpGod · December 2016

Y u do dis?

TheDerpGod · December 2016

So I feel now as if I already know the answer, the choices most players choose, is probably cannon choices... SO IT HAS MORE PURPOSE THAN TO GUILT YOU!!!

Anthorn · December 2016

Cannon choices are any variation of Clementine alone at the end of season 2

Nick dying in Episode 2 of season 2.

Being nice to Rebecca in Episode 1 of season 2.

DabigRG · January 2017

Gonna go ahead and repost this here. Sorry for the bump.

Basically, "canon" in these games means what are the choices and events with the widest area of effect, or at least that's the best way I can describe it. If someone can survive a situation that determinately kills them, that's canon as far as I'm concerned; interestingly enough, Season 1 has the greatest variation because of this. Here's my basic list:

Lee finds Clementine
They met Shawn and his friend before driving to Hershel’s farm; Chet is either the friend or has turned depending on when you leave; Andre Mitchell only shows up if you leave at night
Shawn gets bitten by walkers and Hershel gets them off of him
Irene shoots herself
Mr. Parker turns; how he dies is determinate and who chops off his legs was also originally determinate
Mark gets his legs chopped off and he turns; was originally determinate
Kenny kills Larry in the meat locker, causing Lilly to hate him; whether Lee helps either is determinate
Danny and Brenda St. John turns; Andy is determinate but likely ends up dead either way
Lilly kills someone in paranoia and is separated from the group; whether she is kicked out or steals the soon to crap out RV is determinate, though stealing the RV is arguably the most canon
Duck is bitten and Katjaa commits suicide; whether Duck is put down is technically determinate, but I see no real reason why not so I say he gets shot
Chuck tells Lee to cut Clementine's hair and teach her to shoot
Lee and Molly fight and the winner is stopped by Clementine; the winner is determinate
Kenny gets curbstomped by Molly
Lee convinces Vernon not to shoot him because he can't bring himself to do it
Molly lives; it's possible to shoot her(by accident ) at one point, which causes her to exit pursued by walkers to never be seen again, at least as of Season 2
Lee pulls Ben up at the clock tower
The boat gets stolen by Vernon and everyone goes after Clementine
Kenny is lost to the herd putting down Ben
Lee gets bitten and is on the brink of turning when he says his final words to Clementine
Danny the Prisoner ends up Dead; canonically, Vince shoots him, though I swear I heard Vince can go without shooting Danny
Officer Bennett abandons his bus and gets hit by Eddie; him turning or getting put down by Nate is determinate
Wyatt and Eddie are seperated when the one who stayed behind is attacked by Nate and drives off; I forget what determines whether Wyatt goes to Howe's, but he canonically does
Walt and Jean are shot by Nate; whether they both turn or not is apparently determinate
Bonnie kills Dee by accident; whether Leland is told this or not is determinate
Leland leaves Bonnie; when is determinate
Shel and Becca leave Roman to avoid killing Stephanie; see next for reasoning
Taavia actively convinces Russell to come along(I know its technically determinate, but just making sure everyone gets max screentime)
Michelle accidentally kills Omid using Clementine's gun, causing some sort of tenseness between her and Christa
Christa mentions Wellington; this is always brought up and gives Kenny a motivational advantage, so I'll include it for future reference
Clementine is separated from Christa
Sarah gives Clementine peroxide; I think I heard is technically determinate, but I've never seen it confirmed
Clementine goes with Pete instead of Nick; technically determinate, but it gives Pete some more screentime and Nick tells his story later
Sarah shows Clementine her gun and voices a desire to learn how to use it; Clementine can decline showing her anything, so that part's up in the air despite evidence suggesting it should've been canon
"George" sees the dishes, the knife, Carlos's shirt, and Sarah's picture, as well as observing how Clementine handles herself; the details vary a little bit but these all happen to my knowledge
Sarah faces the music about Carver seeing her picture; whether Clementine blames herself or not is determinate
Nick tells Clementine his backstory; this is technically determinate but I'll include it anyway since you hear this if you go with him instead of Pete; giving him Pete's watch is determinate so I won't count it
Clementine choosing a christmas tree topper that Sarah voices her opinion on; it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but I'll include it because "Sarah will remember that"
Kenny tells Clementine, Luke, and Nick about Wellington and calls Clementine Duck; this plot point gets dropped only to be conveniently picked back up in No Going Back, so I'll include it here
Clementine, Luke, and Nick find out that Matthew was the man on the bridge; including Nick despite showing him being determinate to my knowledge becasue drama
Clementine tells Walter Nick is a good man; I still need to test this scene out in differing contexts but I think you may need to say in order for either Nick to own up to what he did to Walter, Walter choosing to save Nick, or both
Walter saves Nick from a walker
Carver tortures Carlos by breaking his fingers; there may be some variation to this depending on whether you listen to Rebecca or Alvin, but I don't think it really matters
Kenny kills Johnny so Carver kills Walter
Clementine saves Alvin from Kenny and Carver’s dick measuring contest; who she stops is determinate, so I'll leave that alone despite her rushing Carver being more dramatic
Carver tortures Alvin in his office
Clementine or Sarah doesn't do their greenhouse work properly; there is no real difference for some reason, so which one is determinate, though I personally say both because "Friendship is Magic"
Carver kills Reggie to make a point to Sarah, who he speaks with in private for an undisclosed period of time; this is a perfect example of how the story clearly had plot points that may have been dropped without getting rid of setup because Sarah suddenly stops being relevant after front-loading the episode until the climax, so I'll include it out of spite
Bonnie finds out that Reggie was killed; how is determinate but Clementine sorta clues her in anyway if you don't tell her
Clementine gets the walkie talkies, with Vince distracting Taavia
Kenny gets his eye messed up by Carver; whether Clementine, Sarita, or neither get butted by Troy is determinate, so just assume Clementine gets hit because of the bruise staying for the rest of the game
Alvin stays behind after Clementine activates the sound system, mutually killing Hank in the process
Kenny kills Carver; Clementine can choose not to watch, but pretty much everyone but a few I seen does so either way
Clementine kills the Walker that bites Sarita; I think cutting off her hand is far more fitting, especially if you watched Carver be murdered, but Sarita gets a little more screentime otherwise so I'll concede
Nick gets shot by Taavia/whoever while following Luke to go after Sarah; kinda redundant, but whatever
Kenny yells at Clementine for what happened to Sarita; why and how angry he gets is determinate
Clementine and Jane loot some walkers before finding Sarah's glasses; I suspect this was no accident at one point in development so I'll include it here
Clementine and Jane find Nick's walker, who she puts down
Clementine eventually slaps Sarah to make her get moving in the trailer despite Jane's urging; Sarah's mood, what they talk about, how much Sarah responds to it, and whether she puts her glasses on before or after leaving is determinate
Clementine, Luke, and Sarah hear Jane's backstory during the walk back; there's some interesting tidbits and implications here, so I'll include it
Clementine talks to Kenny in the tent and gets him to leave it and Sarita's corpse; what they talk about if anything, how they respond to each other, and why Kenny leaves the tent has a surprising amount of variation to it
Clementine helps Jane, Mike, and Bonnie get things in order for Rebecca's birthing; what order she does it in is determinate and comes with a character establishing moment for Mike if you forgo hanging with Jane(which I didn't both playthroughs because I didn't give the option itself much thought), so I'll leave it vague with a preference for Mike and Bonnie
Clementine or Bonnie reaches through the ticket booth and gets grabbed by a walker, forcing Mike to save them; which one is determinate, so I'll say Bonnie because she gets a bruise on her face from the rest of the game
Arvo shows up at the deck, gets stuckup and threatened by Jane, and leaves without his gun; how Clementine treats him here and whether she takes the medicine is determinate and ultimately pretty insignificant, so vague with a preference for giving him the medicine back; also, Jane tossing his gun to the floor is another piece of evidence of potentially dummied out material so I'll mention it
Luke takes Jane up on her offer; when this happens is technically determinate, but you always catch them in the same way so I'll leave it in the air
Sarah spots the herd incoming and warns the group, causing Kenny and determinately Mike to fight off a few while everyone else runs; what Mike does, whether it be getting the water, getting Sarah to leave, or helping Kenny and getting Sarah to leave, is determinate
Kenny helps Rebecca deliver the baby while everyone else stays outside and defends the observation deck
Jane and Sarah are too slow when Clementine and Luke somehow break the deck with the canon and fall, with Luke catching Jane's hand while Sarah somehow gets trapped under the rubble
Clementine pulls up Jane or has her save Sarah; whichever one you pick ultimately changes how fast Sarah dies, but sending Jane after her is more poetic so I prefer that; also, three things worth noting here because it's me:a. IF Sarah was left in the trailer, the walkers immediately try to grab Jane as soon as she's dangling but ignore her favor of **slowly **creeping on Sarah otherwise...what the hell?, b. Jane getting hit in the face with a loose plank hard enough for there to be a blood splash is the diabolus ex machina ensuring that Sarah dies here, but it doesn't leave a scratch...again, what the hell?, and c. I have yet to confirm this, but I swear there's a variation where not choosing one or the other has Jane immediately drop down to help Sarah, but I can't prove that without replaying that episode myself due to lack of evidence. Now that that derail is over, let's continue
Jane during sunrise(?), offering Clementine her nailfile
Clementine agrees with either Luke or Kenny on when to leave; the most that comes of this is that one gets smart with you the next day depending on who you yell at
Arvo and the Russian Group ambush the group looking for payback; how Arvo approaches the group, when his members reveal themselves, how he feels about Clementine, what she says to him, why everyone raises their guns, and how he learns about the baby is all determinate
Clementine, Kenny, or ...Kenny shoots Rebecca's walker, which is what causes the gunfight; it doesn't really affect anything though and Kenny is the one that shoots Rebecca if Clementine calls for help or simply doesn't--lazy!
Luke gets shot in the leg by Vitali; why/when he does depends on whether Clementine left the baby in the road or not
Kenny is convinced to go along with Arvo’s offer to take the group to his house for shelter and supplies
Jane joins the group around the campfire; Kenny doing the same is determinate
Mike sets Arvo off while they’re staying at the power plant; whether he calms down or Kenny knocks him out is determinate, though Kenny has an interesting character moment if he does so vague with a preference for the latter
Luke falls through the cracking ice lake alongside Clementine or Bonnie and drowns; who goes after him, whether he drowns quickly or gets dragged to the floor, and whether Clementine takes a dip or causes Bonnie to drown is determinate, though Clementine getting wet and Bonnie surviving is technically the canon choice
Clementine or Mike stops Kenny from beating up Arvo; which one is determinate
Clementine talks with Bonnie, which foreshadows the latter’s leaving; the tone of their conversation is determinate to whether Clementine went after Luke or not
Jane warns Clementine about Kenny; whether Clementine agrees with her or not is determinate, though somewhat pointless as far as I know
Kenny gets the Russian’s truck working and has a difference of opinion with everyone; whether Clementine takes his side or not is determinate
Clementine catches Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie getting ready to leave with the supplies, stands off with them while attempting to gauge their motives, and gets shot by Arvo; what Clementine chooses to do with the situation against or for them, Bonnie’s attitude, Arvo attitude, how she responds to Mike, why/when Arvo shoots her, and whether Bonnie or Mike is the one to check on her is determinate; also, Mike was originally able to die here, but that’s non-canon anyway
Kenny and Jane get in a fight in both the truck and in the pitstop; who Clementine sides with is determinate
Kenny ends up on top of Jane with a knife and one/both of them die; Clementine can shoot Kenny, let him kill Jane, choose to forgive/reject the survivor after finding AJ, or kill Kenny immediately after he kills Jane
The ending is determined by who Clementine leaves with if either of them and has determinate choices in them, so I won’t elaborate on any of them

TomaO2 · January 2017

I think there should be a cannon playthrough. When the game talks about setting up what the past was, you can either choose what it was or do a randomized playthrough.

Why not just have a choice to pick the majority decisions? The fans picked Carlie over Doug more often, that's canon. If the fans decided Lee chopped his arm off, so that's canon too.

I think it would be really interesting to have a playthrough of every majority choice that was made in the game.

Cannon choices?

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