Sarita and Reggie. Both are middle aged Indian people with nice personalities and having them interact could've functioned to give Sarita some screentime that didn't involve sucking Kenny.
Sarita and Reggie. Both are middle aged Indian people with nice personalities and having them interact could've functioned to give Sarita some screentime that didn't involve sucking Kenny.
Clementine and Carlos. For what it's worth, Carlos did have some resembling character development; its just that its dreadfully underplayed thanks in part to their limited interactions; it's also likely the reason so many people tend to have a negative perception of him in particular. This could've been used to allow players to learn about what caused him to do the things he does, properly develop their contrasting views of Sarah, and potentially getting close to him. The elements for a proper arc for him are there, which oddly enough includes one of the only times a Cabin Group Member got to have a cool moment AND a redemption moment, its just that he wasn't given much screentime.
And I'm still sittin here, wondering what coulda happened with Lee and Carley if not for that "bitch with the itchy trigger finger" as Larry woulda say it.
I haven't done a Carley save game and probably won't. I instantly liked Doug and consequently can't justify not saving him. I thought Lee and Lilly would have been interesting!
And I'm still sittin here, wondering what coulda happened with Lee and Carley if not for that "bitch with the itchy trigger finger" as Larry woulda say it.
That is a good one. Both are shadows/foils to Clementine and Luke respectively and they completely different upbringings from their dad/uncle, so it would've been interesting to see how they get along with each other. Maybe they could've helped each other cope with their loss and/or depression.
One dynamic I can't believe I forgot about was Jane and Arvo.
It will forever baffle me as to how the same episode to introduce Arvo as an antagonist is also the same episode where Sarah(who can be seen as a good counterpart or foil to him) is recovering from her breakdown and knowingly facing the possibility to being abandon by Clementine or purged by Jane --and they do NOTHING with this despite the obvious parallels and the subtle setup for something involving Sarah later. This by extension makes him a foil to Jane, as he represents many things that she (and Carver) doesn't stand for, as their differing appearances, demeanors, and (for the most part)motivations goes against her emphasis on self-reliance and pragmatism. This, possibly in conjunction with her Aggressive Categorism against "liabilities", is probably part of what causes her to attack and threaten him and even attempt to persuade Clementine to rob him of his sister's medicine.
Whereas Sarah is ultimately a benign example of Jane's paranoia(or at least, in the likely intentions it is), Arvo on the other hand becomes something resembling a threat because of Jane's methods. By attacking him, Jane is essentially responsible for every bad thing that would happen after Rebecca dies, including the destruction of Arvo's group and Arvo, punch clock or not, is a villain who would grow worse than he likely ever was by the end of the game, which in a way ends up turning her philosophy on its head. This could'veshould've been used to further develop Jane's Fantastic Racism by showing the flaws and potential consequences of that line of thinking. And the obvious consequence would be the fact she earlier pressured Clementine into determinately leaving Sarah behind because she seemingly couldn't comprehend the idea that someone whose lost what they care for could come to accept it and move on with their life(oh, the irony) would come back to indirectly bite her in the ass when Arvo, who goes through a similar lost, ultimately goes dark after apparently accepting it and shoots Clementine when she intervene's in Mike's plan to getaway; in other words, the same logic that she was willing to have Sarah killed over to protect Clementine nearly ended up getting the kid killed for the opposite reason. This is also an example of how Arvo and Natasha's roles as antagonists in spite of being "liabilities" were wasted for similar reasons.
Another aspect of this dynamic that really should've been capitalized on is to show Jane's positive traits by giving her some Pet the Dog/Son-of-a-bitch moments outside of her interest in Clementine (and to a lesser degree, Luke). It's easy to highlight the opposing traits between Jane and Sarah/Arvo but its also worth noting that their issues and actions come from a relatively similar place: their love and lost concerning a close family member, which is even stronger in Arvo's case because they both lost a sister. And one example of how Arvo's complete lack of menace is the fact that, like everyone else, he seemingly forgets that Jane is the catalyst to his problems while holding a grudge against Clementine for shooting his sister. This logic, coming for a guy who saw firsthand that Jane was encouraging Clementine, whose kindness he acknowledges, to determinately rob him, went as far as to angrily argue with Jane for wanting to take the medicine in spite of knowing about his sister, and begins to panic when he realizes that she isn't with the group during the ambush, is never really explained outside of maybe this one background moment and little to nothing else. If this was indeed the intention, this is an example of Jane demonstrating that she really was changing her ways that would've been useful to for us to see firsthand. The same chick who previously encouraged Clementine to give up on the Cabin Group and not to let them drag her down is now playing mediator between her cellmate with skewed priorities and an angry old man she would later fight concerning their treatment of a kid the "old Jane" was not only immediately repulsed by but probably would've kicked the crap out of for going after Clementine for what the "old Jane" did. If you wanna do character development for two characters who are supposed to be "redeeming" themselves, that's fine and in fact would've addressed one of biggest problems with Jane, but it's called "Show, don't Tell," not "Barely Show and sorta Tell"--we need to see that shit!
One dynamic I can't believe I forgot about was Jane and Arvo.
It will forever baffle me as to how the same episode to introduce Arvo as a… moren antagonist is also the same episode where Sarah(who can be seen as a good counterpart or foil to him) is recovering from her breakdown and knowingly facing the possibility to being abandon by Clementine or purged by Jane --and they do NOTHING with this despite the obvious parallels and the subtle setup for something involving Sarah later. This by extension makes him a foil to Jane, as he represents many things that she (and Carver) doesn't stand for, as their differing appearances, demeanors, and (for the most part)motivations goes against her emphasis on self-reliance and pragmatism. This, possibly in conjunction with her Aggressive Categorism against "liabilities", is probably part of what causes her to attack and threaten him and even attempt to persuade Clementine to rob him of his sister's medicine… [view original content]
Honestly, I would have loved to see some more interaction between season 1 Clementine and Lilly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only time we ever saw them interact with each other was in episode two.
Heck, in Nicki's audition script for Lilly, she calls Clementine a cutie pie. I wanted more of that.
I only remember them directly interacting on Jolene's camera tape. However, Lilly gave Clementine the scrunchies for her hair, so we must assume they interacted off camera and Lilly was thinking of her on supply runs. It is a pity the developers neglected to show the softer side of Lilly.
Honestly, I would have loved to see some more interaction between season 1 Clementine and Lilly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the on… morely time we ever saw them interact with each other was in episode two.
Heck, in Nicki's audition script for Lilly, she calls Clementine a cutie pie. I wanted more of that.
Kenny and Randall. Oh, goodness...the collateral damage.... They'd probably try to kill each other, given that Kenny has a small reputation for rattling cages and Randall has some sort of fascination with killing children.
True. Glenn is a character I didn't get much out of while playing the game (rather than watching the SGB playthrough) and I couldn't really care too much about him outside of the comments there, the sparkplug trick, and the Irene situation because I knew he's essentially an ad for the TV show (which I still haven't watched yet) that has little bearing on the plot, unlike Hershel and originally Lilly. To the point that Lilly apparently wanting to object to him leaving was kinda odd and out of nowhere because I didn't know what he actually did for the group.
True. Glenn is a character I didn't get much out of while playing the game (rather than watching the SGB playthrough) and I couldn't really … morecare too much about him outside of the comments there, the sparkplug trick, and the Irene situation because I knew he's essentially an ad for the TV show (which I still haven't watched yet) that has little bearing on the plot, unlike Hershel and originally Lilly. To the point that Lilly apparently wanting to object to him leaving was kinda odd and out of nowhere because I didn't know what he actually did for the group.
Many people consider him not a total bad guy, they did give choices to side with carver a few times for reasons. Carver explained how people should only get killed or left if they are no help or only bring problems to the group, he doesn't just kill people, that's a moral. They are nothing like kennys morals though although I believe Jane in game tried to convince clem they where, in that case I would take the opposite of what she said as true seeing as she tried to be muniplulative
Mm...I suppose so. It's just that Carver is so full of himself that I have trouble believing he has anything resemble class. And Jane really has no place to talk given that she shares the same Darwinistic beliefs.
Really, the whole Carver=Kenny thing is likely a holdover from what Episode 2 seemed to be setting up and the final product makes it so that being like Carver means being angry, violent, and crazy, at least the way the group seems to define it.
Many people consider him not a total bad guy, they did give choices to side with carver a few times for reasons. Carver explained how people… more should only get killed or left if they are no help or only bring problems to the group, he doesn't just kill people, that's a moral. They are nothing like kennys morals though although I believe Jane in game tried to convince clem they where, in that case I would take the opposite of what she said as true seeing as she tried to be muniplulative
The more I think about it I think the point of having Kenny say what Kenny said at wellington was to show the point of how people manipulated her to see Kenny in a bad view, people kept on worrying he was like carver was the whole point after they escaped from how's but the ending of s2 was to show differently. Carver would have never done what Kenny did. Game made a point
Mm...I suppose so. It's just that Carver is so full of himself that I have trouble believing he has anything resemble class. And Jane really… more has no place to talk given that she shares the same Darwinistic beliefs.
Really, the whole Carver=Kenny thing is likely a holdover from what Episode 2 seemed to be setting up and the final product makes it so that being like Carver means being angry, violent, and crazy, at least the way the group seems to define it.
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Ayyyyyyyyy ; )
But, I also can't say no to lesbians. And two lesbian "mom" types raising little kids. Hot damn talk about ground breaking.
Really? Hmm...well, that sucks.
Sarita and Reggie. Both are middle aged Indian people with nice personalities and having them interact could've functioned to give Sarita some screentime that didn't involve sucking Kenny.
Indeed. Would've given BOTH of them some decent screen time.
That too. Sorry, I thought was obvious.
What about Clementine and Doug if you saved him?
Clementine and Carlos. For what it's worth, Carlos did have some resembling character development; its just that its dreadfully underplayed thanks in part to their limited interactions; it's also likely the reason so many people tend to have a negative perception of him in particular. This could've been used to allow players to learn about what caused him to do the things he does, properly develop their contrasting views of Sarah, and potentially getting close to him. The elements for a proper arc for him are there, which oddly enough includes one of the only times a Cabin Group Member got to have a cool moment AND a redemption moment, its just that he wasn't given much screentime.
...What?
Sarah and Nick
And I'm still sittin here, wondering what coulda happened with Lee and Carley if not for that "bitch with the itchy trigger finger" as Larry woulda say it.
I haven't done a Carley save game and probably won't. I instantly liked Doug and consequently can't justify not saving him. I thought Lee and Lilly would have been interesting!
That is a good one. Both are shadows/foils to Clementine and Luke respectively and they completely different upbringings from their dad/uncle, so it would've been interesting to see how they get along with each other. Maybe they could've helped each other cope with their loss and/or depression.
One dynamic I can't believe I forgot about was Jane and Arvo.
It will forever baffle me as to how the same episode to introduce Arvo as an antagonist is also the same episode where Sarah(who can be seen as a good counterpart or foil to him) is recovering from her breakdown and knowingly facing the possibility to being abandon by Clementine or purged by Jane --and they do NOTHING with this despite the obvious parallels and the subtle setup for something involving Sarah later. This by extension makes him a foil to Jane, as he represents many things that she (and Carver) doesn't stand for, as their differing appearances, demeanors, and (for the most part)motivations goes against her emphasis on self-reliance and pragmatism. This, possibly in conjunction with her Aggressive Categorism against "liabilities", is probably part of what causes her to attack and threaten him and even attempt to persuade Clementine to rob him of his sister's medicine.
Whereas Sarah is ultimately a benign example of Jane's paranoia(or at least, in the likely intentions it is), Arvo on the other hand becomes something resembling a threat because of Jane's methods. By attacking him, Jane is essentially responsible for every bad thing that would happen after Rebecca dies, including the destruction of Arvo's group and Arvo, punch clock or not, is a villain who would grow worse than he likely ever was by the end of the game, which in a way ends up turning her philosophy on its head. This could'veshould've been used to further develop Jane's Fantastic Racism by showing the flaws and potential consequences of that line of thinking. And the obvious consequence would be the fact she earlier pressured Clementine into determinately leaving Sarah behind because she seemingly couldn't comprehend the idea that someone whose lost what they care for could come to accept it and move on with their life(oh, the irony) would come back to indirectly bite her in the ass when Arvo, who goes through a similar lost, ultimately goes dark after apparently accepting it and shoots Clementine when she intervene's in Mike's plan to getaway; in other words, the same logic that she was willing to have Sarah killed over to protect Clementine nearly ended up getting the kid killed for the opposite reason. This is also an example of how Arvo and Natasha's roles as antagonists in spite of being "liabilities" were wasted for similar reasons.
Another aspect of this dynamic that really should've been capitalized on is to show Jane's positive traits by giving her some Pet the Dog/Son-of-a-bitch moments outside of her interest in Clementine (and to a lesser degree, Luke). It's easy to highlight the opposing traits between Jane and Sarah/Arvo but its also worth noting that their issues and actions come from a relatively similar place: their love and lost concerning a close family member, which is even stronger in Arvo's case because they both lost a sister. And one example of how Arvo's complete lack of menace is the fact that, like everyone else, he seemingly forgets that Jane is the catalyst to his problems while holding a grudge against Clementine for shooting his sister. This logic, coming for a guy who saw firsthand that Jane was encouraging Clementine, whose kindness he acknowledges, to determinately rob him, went as far as to angrily argue with Jane for wanting to take the medicine in spite of knowing about his sister, and begins to panic when he realizes that she isn't with the group during the ambush, is never really explained outside of maybe this one background moment and little to nothing else. If this was indeed the intention, this is an example of Jane demonstrating that she really was changing her ways that would've been useful to for us to see firsthand. The same chick who previously encouraged Clementine to give up on the Cabin Group and not to let them drag her down is now playing mediator between her cellmate with skewed priorities and an angry old man she would later fight concerning their treatment of a kid the "old Jane" was not only immediately repulsed by but probably would've kicked the crap out of for going after Clementine for what the "old Jane" did. If you wanna do character development for two characters who are supposed to be "redeeming" themselves, that's fine and in fact would've addressed one of biggest problems with Jane, but it's called "Show, don't Tell," not "Barely Show and sorta Tell"--we need to see that shit!
You lost me a few times, but I can see what you're getting at and I agree.
Honestly, I would have loved to see some more interaction between season 1 Clementine and Lilly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only time we ever saw them interact with each other was in episode two.
Heck, in Nicki's audition script for Lilly, she calls Clementine a cutie pie. I wanted more of that.
I only remember them directly interacting on Jolene's camera tape. However, Lilly gave Clementine the scrunchies for her hair, so we must assume they interacted off camera and Lilly was thinking of her on supply runs. It is a pity the developers neglected to show the softer side of Lilly.
Sorry bout that. Different thoughts about the same basic topic that I had while away from the laptop and thus had to remember in increments.
Glenn and everyone in the drug store.
Randall is Kenny without morals. A Kenny I would not like.
Paige was apparently a lesbian and had a thing for Sam.
True. Glenn is a character I didn't get much out of while playing the game (rather than watching the SGB playthrough) and I couldn't really care too much about him outside of the comments there, the sparkplug trick, and the Irene situation because I knew he's essentially an ad for the TV show (which I still haven't watched yet) that has little bearing on the plot, unlike Hershel and originally Lilly. To the point that Lilly apparently wanting to object to him leaving was kinda odd and out of nowhere because I didn't know what he actually did for the group.
So, that includes Carver and Nate then?
If you have Netflix, you can catch up on past seasons of the show. It's really good.
Nah Carver was different, he had his own morals, randall just had none
Like?
Many people consider him not a total bad guy, they did give choices to side with carver a few times for reasons. Carver explained how people should only get killed or left if they are no help or only bring problems to the group, he doesn't just kill people, that's a moral. They are nothing like kennys morals though although I believe Jane in game tried to convince clem they where, in that case I would take the opposite of what she said as true seeing as she tried to be muniplulative
Mm...I suppose so. It's just that Carver is so full of himself that I have trouble believing he has anything resemble class. And Jane really has no place to talk given that she shares the same Darwinistic beliefs.
Really, the whole Carver=Kenny thing is likely a holdover from what Episode 2 seemed to be setting up and the final product makes it so that being like Carver means being angry, violent, and crazy, at least the way the group seems to define it.
The more I think about it I think the point of having Kenny say what Kenny said at wellington was to show the point of how people manipulated her to see Kenny in a bad view, people kept on worrying he was like carver was the whole point after they escaped from how's but the ending of s2 was to show differently. Carver would have never done what Kenny did. Game made a point