That's a hard choice since i felt my Lee taught her several of those things. I want to say Community because i always had Clem see the value in the group when talking to Jane and had her refuse to leave Kenny. I did have Lee leave Lilly on the side of the road but i saw that as an action he took because she harmed a fellow member (Carley) of our community. I didn't give the dying man water either. He was a man who possibly killed Christa and wouldn't give Clem any answers. So i'm all for community unless the person damages the community/is a bad person.
We do not really know how fast he revived because no one was watching him remember? There were probably telltale signs he was reanimating that no one saw because they were gabbing. And you bringing up Larry's anti duck thing sorta proves your agenda for killing Larry...which yes Larry was a dick...btw your heart stops you are not dead...CPR can bring a person back...however...I will admit that the lack of a hospital and such...he was not going to be in good shape lol.
Plus even if it was not going to be successful...the decent thing was to let Lilly have her goodbye and tell Clementine to look away.
When your heart stops, you are dead. CPR is to try and revive you, but there aren't any guarantees. Specially manual CPR. Did you see how fa… morest the guy at the motor inn turned or...? It can be just a couple of minutes. Which is why Kenny made that decision on the spot. He didn't want to risk it. He did it on pure survival instinct. Like I said, you can disagree with him all you want, but you can't deny what he did was to survive. Besides, there isn't a rule of how walkers turn and how they behave. How do you know walker-Larry wouldn't just wake up and lunge at the first person he would see? I mean Larry himself was willing to kill a little kid (who was ALIVE) just because he was covered in walker's blood, so.... But I'm not going into a debate with you about Kenny anyway because I know full well how you feel about him.
We do not really know how fast he revived because no one was watching him remember? There were probably telltale signs he was reanimating that no one saw because they were gabbing.
That doesn't change the fact that he turned after a couple of minutes.
And you bringing up Larry's anti duck thing sorta proves your agenda for killing Larry...which yes Larry was a dick...
I'm pointing out that he wanted to kill Duck because he was afraid he was bitten and didn't want to die. Same with Kenny. The only difference is that, not only was Duck a little kid and still alive, they also didn't even know if he was bitten. Even if he was, he would first need to die before he could turn. So there wasn't an imminent threat which they had to act on the spot. Which was the case with Larry, because he was dead.
btw your heart stops you are not dead...CPR can bring a person back...
I'm not going into a debate about how do you consider a person dead. What we do know is that your body starts to shut down the moment the heart stops so the question here is that we just don't know how fast would Larry's body die and how fast would he turn. In the show/comics there were people who turned within seconds and others within hours. The thing is, Kenny wasn't willing to risk the life of everyone on the meat locker (plus his family) in the hopes that somehow Larry would survive.
Plus even if it was not going to be successful...the decent thing was to let Lilly have her goodbye and tell Clementine to look away.
The point here is that you were saying that "killing" Larry wasn't considered as survival. Which it was. No one is questioning that survival is a good thing. It's not. If you want to survive, you don't take risks. You do anything in your power to make sure you are alive, even if it means killing others/leaving them behind.
We do not really know how fast he revived because no one was watching him remember? There were probably telltale signs he was reanimating t… morehat no one saw because they were gabbing. And you bringing up Larry's anti duck thing sorta proves your agenda for killing Larry...which yes Larry was a dick...btw your heart stops you are not dead...CPR can bring a person back...however...I will admit that the lack of a hospital and such...he was not going to be in good shape lol.
Plus even if it was not going to be successful...the decent thing was to let Lilly have her goodbye and tell Clementine to look away.
Surely it was survival that Lee taught Clem? Learning to shoot (protect herself), hair short, the convo they had in the train station before they got the blow torch, his advice at the end of the game? It's all interesting either way I suppose
My Lee would teach her the importance of community. Gotta keep everyone alive and hear their stories. They're all so damn interesting and that's what makes TWD so awesome.
My Lee would teach her the importance of community. Gotta keep everyone alive and hear their stories. They're all so damn interesting and that's what makes TWD so awesome.
Family. Family is important to Lee and he becomes her adopted dad. Kenny became her adopted uncle and that's why we both stayed at Wellington as a family.
Please watch FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode. It's a perfect example as to why in that situation in wouldnt take the risk and in real life i don't think for a minute you'd think twice about it. You'd be shitting yourself just as Kenny and everyone else was
First off..I am a nurse...the stopping of breathing is what cpr is made for. Also turn times very...they can be minutes to hours...and the … morereanimation is noticeable...case in point Rebecca reanimating...the walker is disoriented for a while. Now I will say...sure...probably he was going to die...but it was not Kenny's call. And if your Lee was helping Lilly then Kenny went against the group's wishes. Something that becomes one of his most damning features in S2. Plus he killed Larry in front of Clementine like that. So in that moment..fuck Kenny...there should have been an option to beat his ass.
Family. Family is important to Lee and he becomes her adopted dad. Kenny became her adopted uncle and that's why we both stayed at Wellington as a family.
It's why I like the game. lol this isn't real life. So getting along with the characters I feel is more important. You listen to their story and they listen to yours. Then you got yourself a team. Just like in both seasons.
I believe my Lee taught Clem how to rely on herself, based on many choices he made:
Feeding himself.
Asking to leave with Lilly.
Planning on separating from Kenny and his fucking stupid boat plan.
Having her stay in the house alone with Omid.
Giving her a gun with which she defends herself and Omid from a walker.
Having her shoot the Stranger.
Having her shoot Lee.
I think it's a good characteristic to be self reliant in the ZA.
You can't have a good Justice system without a community, it also won't keep you and the people you love alive. Once you find an unstable person out there, who will likely kill more people if set free, you won't be able to imprision them, you will be forced with the choice between killing the dangerous person, endanger yourself and try to reason with the person or just not act and leave things to their fate - one is immoral, the other is dangerous and the last is both immoral and dangerous. To be able to perform the correct course of action (which is in my opinion imprisioning the person) you need stability, and that brings us to community.
Communities rise and fall. They are immaterial things that can prosper or get destroyed with the smallest of actions. There's always the lingering possibility of the community being brought down - that much was proved when the stable society the world was in was sudenly brought down by a single virus - and when they do, you either get yourself and those you care about to safety, which forces you to rely yourselves, or you decide to fall with it. Point being, communities are... uncertain things that can disappear and be brought down in a heartbeat, if it ever happens and you don't have self reliability, you're doomed.
I hold the opinion that you should first be self reliant before pursuing the uncertain things above, that way, if they ever fall, you'll manage to stay alive so you can build them back up.
Now this leads me to the most confusing aspect of the option. Doesn't being a good survivor mean that you're self reliant? I think you must be self reliant to be a good survivor, but the problem is that for some reason, choosing "Survival" means that Clementine will prioritise it above all else - becoming a husk - therefore I don't consider it to be the ideal mindset for my Clem.
I focused my Clementine mainly on survival and justice. I'd say Survival as with no survival there is no justice. Anyways i wont have to worry about that since i rebought s1 n s2 of TWD on my xbone
I suppose. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just trying to take a guess at what choices would fall under what. I mean, all four of those values are quite vague, so it's hard to tell what choices and what actions fall under each.
I think you are wrong in your view of survival. Lee showed Clementine that survival is about things like getting along and helping those in… more your group...that you do not have to lower yourself to Kenny's level when he killed Larry. Not to steal. Being aware and spotting dangers. I see Survival as a neutral option. None of these options are wrong.
Please watch FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode. It's a perfect example as to why in that situation in wouldnt take the risk and in real life i d… moreon't think for a minute you'd think twice about it. You'd be shitting yourself just as Kenny and everyone else was
I think we can assume with some certainty that Katjaa called Lee over when the teacher stopped breathing. Within a few seconds of Lee's arrival, the teacher reanimated and tried to grab Katjaa. So 1) he did turn quickly and 2) the walker was not disoriented when it woke up. I also do not think it polite to assume players who helped Kenny did it out of dislike for Larry. And can you explain the medical definition of dead if it is not the heart having stopped? If a person isn't breathing, there is no oxygen being supplied to their brain.
We do not really know how fast he revived because no one was watching him remember? There were probably telltale signs he was reanimating t… morehat no one saw because they were gabbing. And you bringing up Larry's anti duck thing sorta proves your agenda for killing Larry...which yes Larry was a dick...btw your heart stops you are not dead...CPR can bring a person back...however...I will admit that the lack of a hospital and such...he was not going to be in good shape lol.
Plus even if it was not going to be successful...the decent thing was to let Lilly have her goodbye and tell Clementine to look away.
You know, I don't remember what I told Clementine back then. It's been too long. But I'm stuck between survival and community, I think I may have chosen the latter. Because iirc, Kenny asked Clementine what she think Lee would say at a time like this, and she said something to that effect. I prefer Clementine be with a group. It's better than the lone bad ass, you need at least one good reliable partner to help you through everything, and that's not just for a young girl either.
my clem was survival- i think ur description of them was right. i pretty much did whatever i needed to to eliminate threat and get to the next stage of the Apocalypse
I suppose. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just trying to take a guess at what choices would fall under what. I mean, all four of those values are quite vague, so it's hard to tell what choices and what actions fall under each.
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I guess the maid should never have switched his coffee to decaf.
Really?
That's a hard choice since i felt my Lee taught her several of those things. I want to say Community because i always had Clem see the value in the group when talking to Jane and had her refuse to leave Kenny. I did have Lee leave Lilly on the side of the road but i saw that as an action he took because she harmed a fellow member (Carley) of our community. I didn't give the dying man water either. He was a man who possibly killed Christa and wouldn't give Clem any answers. So i'm all for community unless the person damages the community/is a bad person.
We do not really know how fast he revived because no one was watching him remember? There were probably telltale signs he was reanimating that no one saw because they were gabbing. And you bringing up Larry's anti duck thing sorta proves your agenda for killing Larry...which yes Larry was a dick...btw your heart stops you are not dead...CPR can bring a person back...however...I will admit that the lack of a hospital and such...he was not going to be in good shape lol.
Plus even if it was not going to be successful...the decent thing was to let Lilly have her goodbye and tell Clementine to look away.
Indeed
Clem learned that sometimes black dude doesn't die first, sometimes he dies at the end.
You are a monster.
That doesn't change the fact that he turned after a couple of minutes.
I'm pointing out that he wanted to kill Duck because he was afraid he was bitten and didn't want to die. Same with Kenny. The only difference is that, not only was Duck a little kid and still alive, they also didn't even know if he was bitten. Even if he was, he would first need to die before he could turn. So there wasn't an imminent threat which they had to act on the spot. Which was the case with Larry, because he was dead.
I'm not going into a debate about how do you consider a person dead. What we do know is that your body starts to shut down the moment the heart stops so the question here is that we just don't know how fast would Larry's body die and how fast would he turn. In the show/comics there were people who turned within seconds and others within hours. The thing is, Kenny wasn't willing to risk the life of everyone on the meat locker (plus his family) in the hopes that somehow Larry would survive.
The point here is that you were saying that "killing" Larry wasn't considered as survival. Which it was. No one is questioning that survival is a good thing. It's not. If you want to survive, you don't take risks. You do anything in your power to make sure you are alive, even if it means killing others/leaving them behind.
Surely it was survival that Lee taught Clem? Learning to shoot (protect herself), hair short, the convo they had in the train station before they got the blow torch, his advice at the end of the game? It's all interesting either way I suppose
You do need community or self-reliance to have survival!
Lee, in my experience, taught her the importance of community.
Ultimately, you will need community to prosper.
My Lee would teach her the importance of community. Gotta keep everyone alive and hear their stories. They're all so damn interesting and that's what makes TWD so awesome.
So it's the importance of a good narrative?
"Lee taught Clementine that a good story is important"
She is gonna become Varric from Dragon Age after all!
And then two seconds later, he says how he doesn't need it anymore.
Family. Family is important to Lee and he becomes her adopted dad. Kenny became her adopted uncle and that's why we both stayed at Wellington as a family.
Please watch FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode. It's a perfect example as to why in that situation in wouldnt take the risk and in real life i don't think for a minute you'd think twice about it. You'd be shitting yourself just as Kenny and everyone else was
Yep, then he was bitten.
Family isn't an option though.
It's why I like the game. lol this isn't real life. So getting along with the characters I feel is more important. You listen to their story and they listen to yours. Then you got yourself a team. Just like in both seasons.
Clementine can name her shotgun Bianca.
And that says a LOT coming from you.
Or Lee.
I believe my Lee taught Clem how to rely on herself, based on many choices he made:
I think it's a good characteristic to be self reliant in the ZA.
Now this leads me to the most confusing aspect of the option. Doesn't being a good survivor mean that you're self reliant? I think you must be self reliant to be a good survivor, but the problem is that for some reason, choosing "Survival" means that Clementine will prioritise it above all else - becoming a husk - therefore I don't consider it to be the ideal mindset for my Clem.
I think it really depends on what you think is most important to "your Clementine" what defines her.
I focused my Clementine mainly on survival and justice. I'd say Survival as with no survival there is no justice. Anyways i wont have to worry about that since i rebought s1 n s2 of TWD on my xbone
I suppose. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just trying to take a guess at what choices would fall under what. I mean, all four of those values are quite vague, so it's hard to tell what choices and what actions fall under each.
Explain? Why am I a monster for having opposite preference than you?
Justice. No doubt.
@DabigRG Awwwe you do care!
I think you meant to reply to @Kennyshoulddie.
Ya know, these weren't white when I bought em.
Have never seen an episode of FTWD....always meant too..but keep hearing bad things about it.
I think we can assume with some certainty that Katjaa called Lee over when the teacher stopped breathing. Within a few seconds of Lee's arrival, the teacher reanimated and tried to grab Katjaa. So 1) he did turn quickly and 2) the walker was not disoriented when it woke up. I also do not think it polite to assume players who helped Kenny did it out of dislike for Larry. And can you explain the medical definition of dead if it is not the heart having stopped? If a person isn't breathing, there is no oxygen being supplied to their brain.
Using Deltino's explanations as a guide, I am going to say my plays favoured justice.
Leeanca.
You know, I don't remember what I told Clementine back then. It's been too long. But I'm stuck between survival and community, I think I may have chosen the latter. Because iirc, Kenny asked Clementine what she think Lee would say at a time like this, and she said something to that effect. I prefer Clementine be with a group. It's better than the lone bad ass, you need at least one good reliable partner to help you through everything, and that's not just for a young girl either.
Pew pew
my clem was survival- i think ur description of them was right. i pretty much did whatever i needed to to eliminate threat and get to the next stage of the Apocalypse
It's not great but you should definitely check out that one episode