We get it. You don't like Kenny. You don't need to start repeating yourself and trying to force your view that Jane had the better ending. If you want to actually contribute something to the thread, at least come up with some decent arguments for why you feel that way, instead of just whinging that Kenny was a rabid dog or some other shit.
Yeah and you leave the baby with Jane for 5 seconds she hides him. Next time it would be "hey Clem let's play hide and seek. Oh shit where is AJ hiding...oh well no big loss"
That's the type of person you'd have around. But hey just my opinion, something i am entitled to have
Indeed. She's still a kid with a crying baby.
Going with Jane is the best option as she actually wants Clementine to become a Survivor and to be able to survive even if she, Jane, were to die.
Been on and off with giving a dime about the New Frontier, so I tend to get news when it just happens to catch my eye. I can't help but doubt that number, though..
Yes sir, did you not get the memo?
There are 42 different “starting points”, that include not just your ending but the relationships you had with different characters and the style of player you are.
Nah. I accepted Wellington with the knowledge that I would likely never see Kenny again - that made the ending emotional. I am not a fan of Kenny but I did appreciate his sacrifice. I would be curious to see him again but not at the price of the ending that satisfied the story for my Clementine the most.
First of all, we have to consider that it was a chaotic situation for both Jane and Kenny. Emotions were running high, not only for Kenny but also for Jane, we can see she's angry, and anger clouds rationality. It could be that she just was too into the moment, too focused on not getting killed and in fighting back at Kenny, that the thought never crossed her mind.
But Jane is a very rational person, so let's assume the thought did cross her mind during the fight. Would telling Kenny that she had hidden the baby stop his anger? We know it wouldn't, it would've certainly made him angrier and more thirsty for taking it out on Jane. With the knife so close to her neck (and I think we can assume that Jane never thought that Kenny would go as far as killing before he was actually on top of her and about to stick a knife onto her chest), angering Kenny just a little bit more (and telling Kenny about AJ being hidden in the car would certainly give him that last straw of anger) would give him more strength, more motivation to carry on the killing, which would've been fatal to Jane maybe even taking away the opportunity Clem has to intervene.
Yeah that would have been ideal ending. Another reason why I am hesitant to change ending is in case Kenny did eventually get accepted in and appears in Season 3 in both endings. I'm gonna have to make a decision soon.
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive. Kenny tells Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine, she wanted a fight and the fact is she did, she was prepared for the fight she knew would happen.
Let me ask you this, when has Kenny ever lied to Lee or Clem or any character in either season about anything? I cannot think of any, honestly, if you can please tell me. I personally don't think he would be even more enraged because you make it sound like he really is psychotic when he isn't. I can easily see Kenny suddenly stopping and becoming more concerned about AJ if Jane had said what she did.
If on the other hand he hadn't stopped if Jane had confessed then I would put that down to the fact that he would think she's tricking him into letting his guard down and the fact that she lied the first time so she could be lying again. The point i keep mentioning is, regardless of her intentions, if she hadn't done what she did in the first place, then nothing would have happened between them and AJ wouldn't have been left in danger either
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First of all, we have to consider that it was a chaotic situation for both Jane and Kenny. Emotions were running hi… moregh, not only for Kenny but also for Jane, we can see she's angry, and anger clouds rationality. It could be that she just was too into the moment, too focused on not getting killed and in fighting back at Kenny, that the thought never crossed her mind.
But Jane is a very rational person, so let's assume the thought did cross her mind during the fight. Would telling Kenny that she had hidden the baby stop his anger? We know it wouldn't, it would've certainly made him angrier and more thirsty for taking it out on Jane. With the knife so close to her neck (and I think we can assume that Jane never thought that Kenny would go as far as killing before he was actually on top of her and about to stick a knife onto her chest), angering Kenny just a little bit more (and telling Kenny about AJ being hidden in th… [view original content]
Both Jane and Kenny are just using Clementine as surrogate sister/son. Kenny feels like he has to make up for not being able to protect his family and Jane feel the need to make up for giving up on her sister. People keep bringing up going with Kenny is dangerous because he is unhinged, but they don't mention that Jane has commitment issues. She gave up on her sister and she left the group after feeling the baby and the rest of the group were going to drag her down. There is know telling when she might leave Clem and the baby because she feels like things are getting to inconvenient. Both characters have major problems that could endanger Clem.
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive.
Yes, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his previous volatile reactions to things.
Kenny tells Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished. But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"? Even when we see how he reacts when his emotions take over, over and over again in past situations?
I stand by the position that Kenny would not have controlled his emotions and would've gotten even more angered at Jane had she told him about AJ being alive. There wasn't a single drop of rationality in Kenny in that moment, everyone can see that, and when you consider that all he had to do to satisfy the will of his emotions was just push the knife a little further, something he could do in a fraction of second with little to no difficulty, do you really believe he would be able to resist the temptation?
she wanted a fight and the fact is she did, she was prepared for the fight she knew would happen.
I agree. She knew Kenny would act somewhat violently, but did she know he'd try to kill her? Perhaps she believed she could control all of it. That's not the matter being questioned here, though.
Let me ask you this, when has Kenny ever lied to Lee or Clem or any character in either season about anything? I cannot think of any, honestly, if you can please tell me
"I was only trying to protect you (or something like that)" - Kenny, after he kills Jane, because that was only for Clem's protection!
But anyways, I do agree that Kenny is a very honest man, but being honest doesn't automatically make a person good, especially when said person murders someone because of an assumption.
I personally don't think he would be even more enraged because you make it sound like he really is psychotic when he isn't.
Kenny has mental issues. How can you not see that? He can not see through anger, he proves as much in past situations. He most of the time fails to look further and acts on impulse. Hell, he may not be psychotic, but he is definitely handicapped when it comes to emotion management/control.
I can easily see Kenny suddenly stopping and becoming more concerned about AJ if Jane had said what she did.
And I cannot. I just have a seriously hard time to see Kenny being suddenly able to see through his emotions.
If on the other hand he hadn't stopped if Jane had confessed then I would put that down to the fact that he would think she's tricking him into letting his guard down.
Which would be, once again, a creation of his sick head, an assumption with no basis to it. In short, he'd still be wrong about killing Jane.
The point i keep mentioning is, regardless of her intentions, if she hadn't done what she did in the first place, then nothing would have happened between them and AJ wouldn't have been left in danger either
First of all, AJ was not in any more danger than he would be outside, inside the car.
I agree and you'll never see me denying it, the fight happened because of Jane's actions, but the direct inflictor of the fight was Kenny. He was the one who unreasonably threw the first punch, and he didn't have a good reason to do so.
Jane, on the other hand, has rational reasons behind causing that fight and, in my opinion, valid reasons.
We can't just disregard the intent when analyzing actions.
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive. Kenny tell… mores Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine, she wanted a fight and the fact is she did, she was prepared for the fight she knew would happen.
Let me ask you this, when has Kenny ever lied to Lee or Clem or any character in either season about anything? I cannot think of any, honestly, if you can please tell me. I personally don't think he would be even more enraged because you make it sound like he really is psychotic when he isn't. I can easily see Kenny suddenly stopping and becoming more concerned about AJ if Jane had said what she did.
If on the other hand he hadn't stopped if Jane had confessed then I would put that down to the fact that he would think she's tricking him into letting his guard down and the fact that she lied the first time s… [view original content]
Yes, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his previous volatile reactions to things.
But that doesn't guarantee a 100% certain he would in this situation. This is also an assumption as we don't see it if things were different.
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished.
And yet Jane didn't even attempt to confess what she did. Even if you are right which can never be proved, it's as i said, we'll never know for certain if he'd have stopped or not and i think he would have ok? That is what i think.
But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"?
Yes. You can dislike that opinion as much as you want but i honestly do and it's a shame we can never see that scene differently.
Even when we see how he reacts when his emotions take over, over and over again in past situations?
And Kenny usually comes to his senses in past events when he has people like Lee or Clem to calm him down.
I stand by the position that Kenny would not have controlled his emotions and would've gotten even more angered at Jane had she told him about AJ being alive.
And same goes for me. That's fine, i'm not going to argue anymore with you because we both know how we feel on this. You can hate my opinion all you want. Jane was not rational at all in what she did either, there is no defending her and i am sure you aren't.
I agree. She knew Kenny would act somewhat violently, but did she know he'd try to kill her?
Kenny: "I'LL FUCKIN KILL YOU"
Followed by:
I was only trying to protect you (or something like that)" - Kenny, after he kills Jane, because that was only for Clem's protection!
How is that a lie?? That is exactly what he believed he was doing and was not said in anyway to be a lie.
but being honest doesn't automatically make a person good
Good or not, if i knew the person i was with I'd choose honesty over anyone in a dangerous world like that. Even if the person can be an ass, if i know he or she is an honest that is more important than anything. I never said he was a saint though.
Hell, he may not be psychotic, but he is definitely handicapped when it comes to emotion management/control.
Thank you. He is not "psychotic" but i don't deny that he has issues and is emotionally unstable. Please don't say "how can you not see that" as if i'm an idiot or something. Apologies if that wasn't your intention.
First of all, AJ was not in any more danger than he would be outside, inside the car.
But that's wrong man because if AJ was not in the car and safely with Clem/Kenny or even if Jane turned up with him in her arms, there would be no danger because nothing bad would have happened if she hadn't put on the performance she did.
He was the one who unreasonably threw the first punch, and he didn't have a good reason to do so
And i agree, doing that without evidence is wrong but again and as you acknowledged, she was the reason for the fight to happen and she was the reason he threw that first punch, even if it was an assumption. The "first" punch wouldn't have occurred if she hadn't done what she did.
Jane, on the other hand, has rational reasons behind causing that fight and, in my opinion, valid reasons.
Her reasons may have been rational to an extent but her actions certainly were not and I don't think her reasons should be considered valid after what she ultimately did. She didn't think her plan through properly, something she admits was stupid. She didn't think about AJ's safety properly as anything could have happened to him like freezing to death without someone keeping him warm etc. She knew that Kenny would become dangerous and did not consider Clem's safety either and underestimated even her own safety which should have been even more important for her to consider.
But again, and i am sure you agree, that it wasn't right doing what she did and she had no right forcing that decision or viewpoint on Clem in that way when she could have done something so much better and at a different time when maybe they weren't stranded, lost and hungry etc.
Again i don't want to argue with you on this further. I get so riled up with this scene every time it's brought up. Let's just agree that both of them were wrong ok?
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive.
Ye… mores, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his previous volatile reactions to things.
Kenny tells Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished. But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"? Even when we see how he reacts when his emotions take over, over and over again in past situations?
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Ah yes, this debate will soon be over. Or will it? Sadly, none of S2 endings seemed particularly "correct" to me. Wellington with AJ seemed to fit best for me. But I'm a player who wanted Omid and Christa in S2 longer than a few minutes. So honoring what Christa wanted was a must for me. After all it was mentioned in the last conversation Clem had with Christa. They were going there. Lee didn't give up on finding Clem. So I don't believe Clem would give up on finding Wellington. So regardless of my Clems "feelings" about Jane or Kenny. Christa believed it was a safeish location. So my Clem would believe. this too. If this choice leads her down a path that leads to her death...I will replay and try the other paths. If however it merely loses her finger. Bye bye finger.
You think AJ would have been like "Nah, I never minded you for leaving me in the car" to Jane? Also, if AJ didn't start crying, you think Jane would have told Clem the truth?
I stayed with Kenny my first playthrough, I will never change this.
That being said I'm pretty sure that Wellington will turn out to be a… more bad idea and we will have droves upon droves of players changing their decisions to stay with Kenny.
I personally think every player should own up to their ending and never change it to something else, even if you got the alone ending.
Well, Jane finds them a stronghold and she's open to Clementine's opinion in regards to who they let in and how to run things. Unlike a certain group destroyer like Kenny who tends to hate anyone that isn't the inner circle. Such as how he instantly hated Luke and went out of his way to harass Luke.
I am an advocate for going with Jane, and a defender of the argument that Kenny could hurt somebody abruptly when he became angered, though … moreone of the definite perks of going with Kenny is that he had been a father and knows how to handle babies. With Jane, it will be trial and error, which is oddly alarming, since there is only one baby to test with!
Nonetheless, I went with Jane.
Yeah and you leave the baby with Jane for 5 seconds she hides him. Next time it would be "hey Clem let's play hide and seek. Oh shit where i… mores AJ hiding...oh well no big loss"
That's the type of person you'd have around. But hey just my opinion, something i am entitled to have
For me, Wellington always sounded too good to be true anyway. After the St. John's, Crawford and Carver, there's no way I'd leave Clem and A… moreJ alone in a community they know nothing about. And after I told Kenny to raise AJ the right way (and not repeat the same mistakes he did with Duck) I just couldn't leave him and deny him that chance. So yeah, my ending is with Kenny, BUT I have a Wellington ending for when I replay the first two episodes. I want to see what will change with that ending because I'm curious about Wellington and what happened to it. The alone and Jane endings however, I will watch how it affects ANF on YT because I just can't choose those endings when I play season 2, no matter how I try. But I don't see why you can't have both endings and try them both on ANF? Unless you are not the type of player who likes to replay the episodes.
For me, Wellington always sounded too good to be true anyway. After the St. John's, Crawford and Carver, there's no way I'd leave Clem and A… moreJ alone in a community they know nothing about. And after I told Kenny to raise AJ the right way (and not repeat the same mistakes he did with Duck) I just couldn't leave him and deny him that chance. So yeah, my ending is with Kenny, BUT I have a Wellington ending for when I replay the first two episodes. I want to see what will change with that ending because I'm curious about Wellington and what happened to it. The alone and Jane endings however, I will watch how it affects ANF on YT because I just can't choose those endings when I play season 2, no matter how I try. But I don't see why you can't have both endings and try them both on ANF? Unless you are not the type of player who likes to replay the episodes.
Because she needed to show Clementine the truth about Kenny as Kenny literally just destroyed the last group all by himself and he was flipping out over every little thing.
If Clementine had lost AJ there's no doubt that he would have raged out on her and Clementine has far less chances or surviving than even Jane did.
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First of all, we have to consider that it was a chaotic situation for both Jane and Kenny. Emotions were running hi… moregh, not only for Kenny but also for Jane, we can see she's angry, and anger clouds rationality. It could be that she just was too into the moment, too focused on not getting killed and in fighting back at Kenny, that the thought never crossed her mind.
But Jane is a very rational person, so let's assume the thought did cross her mind during the fight. Would telling Kenny that she had hidden the baby stop his anger? We know it wouldn't, it would've certainly made him angrier and more thirsty for taking it out on Jane. With the knife so close to her neck (and I think we can assume that Jane never thought that Kenny would go as far as killing before he was actually on top of her and about to stick a knife onto her chest), angering Kenny just a little bit more (and telling Kenny about AJ being hidden in th… [view original content]
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First of all, we have to consider that it was a chaotic situation for both Jane and Kenny. Emotions were running hi… moregh, not only for Kenny but also for Jane, we can see she's angry, and anger clouds rationality. It could be that she just was too into the moment, too focused on not getting killed and in fighting back at Kenny, that the thought never crossed her mind.
But Jane is a very rational person, so let's assume the thought did cross her mind during the fight. Would telling Kenny that she had hidden the baby stop his anger? We know it wouldn't, it would've certainly made him angrier and more thirsty for taking it out on Jane. With the knife so close to her neck (and I think we can assume that Jane never thought that Kenny would go as far as killing before he was actually on top of her and about to stick a knife onto her chest), angering Kenny just a little bit more (and telling Kenny about AJ being hidden in th… [view original content]
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive. Kenny tell… mores Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine, she wanted a fight and the fact is she did, she was prepared for the fight she knew would happen.
Let me ask you this, when has Kenny ever lied to Lee or Clem or any character in either season about anything? I cannot think of any, honestly, if you can please tell me. I personally don't think he would be even more enraged because you make it sound like he really is psychotic when he isn't. I can easily see Kenny suddenly stopping and becoming more concerned about AJ if Jane had said what she did.
If on the other hand he hadn't stopped if Jane had confessed then I would put that down to the fact that he would think she's tricking him into letting his guard down and the fact that she lied the first time s… [view original content]
Yes, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his prev… moreious volatile reactions to things.
But that doesn't guarantee a 100% certain he would in this situation. This is also an assumption as we don't see it if things were different.
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished.
And yet Jane didn't even attempt to confess what she did. Even if you are right which can never be proved, it's as i said, we'll never know for certain if he'd have stopped or not and i think he would have ok? That is what i think.
But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"?
Yes. You can dislike that opinion as much as you want but i honestly do and it's a shame we can ne… [view original content]
Yes, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his prev… moreious volatile reactions to things.
But that doesn't guarantee a 100% certain he would in this situation. This is also an assumption as we don't see it if things were different.
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished.
And yet Jane didn't even attempt to confess what she did. Even if you are right which can never be proved, it's as i said, we'll never know for certain if he'd have stopped or not and i think he would have ok? That is what i think.
But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"?
Yes. You can dislike that opinion as much as you want but i honestly do and it's a shame we can ne… [view original content]
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How exactly could he have died?
No but why didn't jane tell them AJ is safe in a car.
Simple. The car door had the window open, he could have frozen to death but he survived because of his plot armor AKA magic blanket.
Because she was stupid. She had a lot of time to tell the truth but she couldn't because she did want Clem to kill him.
We get it. You don't like Kenny. You don't need to start repeating yourself and trying to force your view that Jane had the better ending. If you want to actually contribute something to the thread, at least come up with some decent arguments for why you feel that way, instead of just whinging that Kenny was a rabid dog or some other shit.
There wasn't any wind inside the car, but there was a blizzard outside.
Doesn't change the fact that AJ survived in an unrealistic way.
Yeah and you leave the baby with Jane for 5 seconds she hides him. Next time it would be "hey Clem let's play hide and seek. Oh shit where is AJ hiding...oh well no big loss"
That's the type of person you'd have around. But hey just my opinion, something i am entitled to have
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I agree completely, Aron. Realistically, Alvin Junior would have caught a cold and died even before the encounter with Arvo's group.
Nevermind what I said. This doesn't change the fact that Jane leaving AJ in the frozen car is crazy.
Been on and off with giving a dime about the New Frontier, so I tend to get news when it just happens to catch my eye. I can't help but doubt that number, though..
Yeah, that sounds more likely.
Why is it crazy?
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Nah. I accepted Wellington with the knowledge that I would likely never see Kenny again - that made the ending emotional. I am not a fan of Kenny but I did appreciate his sacrifice. I would be curious to see him again but not at the price of the ending that satisfied the story for my Clementine the most.
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First of all, we have to consider that it was a chaotic situation for both Jane and Kenny. Emotions were running high, not only for Kenny but also for Jane, we can see she's angry, and anger clouds rationality. It could be that she just was too into the moment, too focused on not getting killed and in fighting back at Kenny, that the thought never crossed her mind.
But Jane is a very rational person, so let's assume the thought did cross her mind during the fight. Would telling Kenny that she had hidden the baby stop his anger? We know it wouldn't, it would've certainly made him angrier and more thirsty for taking it out on Jane. With the knife so close to her neck (and I think we can assume that Jane never thought that Kenny would go as far as killing before he was actually on top of her and about to stick a knife onto her chest), angering Kenny just a little bit more (and telling Kenny about AJ being hidden in the car would certainly give him that last straw of anger) would give him more strength, more motivation to carry on the killing, which would've been fatal to Jane maybe even taking away the opportunity Clem has to intervene.
Yeah that would have been ideal ending. Another reason why I am hesitant to change ending is in case Kenny did eventually get accepted in and appears in Season 3 in both endings. I'm gonna have to make a decision soon.
Dude no offence but that is just your opinion and the fact is we DON'T know he would do that if Jane revealed the baby was alive. Kenny tells Clem afterwards that all she had to do to stop what was happening was to say the baby was fine, she wanted a fight and the fact is she did, she was prepared for the fight she knew would happen.
Let me ask you this, when has Kenny ever lied to Lee or Clem or any character in either season about anything? I cannot think of any, honestly, if you can please tell me. I personally don't think he would be even more enraged because you make it sound like he really is psychotic when he isn't. I can easily see Kenny suddenly stopping and becoming more concerned about AJ if Jane had said what she did.
If on the other hand he hadn't stopped if Jane had confessed then I would put that down to the fact that he would think she's tricking him into letting his guard down and the fact that she lied the first time so she could be lying again. The point i keep mentioning is, regardless of her intentions, if she hadn't done what she did in the first place, then nothing would have happened between them and AJ wouldn't have been left in danger either
Both Jane and Kenny are just using Clementine as surrogate sister/son. Kenny feels like he has to make up for not being able to protect his family and Jane feel the need to make up for giving up on her sister. People keep bringing up going with Kenny is dangerous because he is unhinged, but they don't mention that Jane has commitment issues. She gave up on her sister and she left the group after feeling the baby and the rest of the group were going to drag her down. There is know telling when she might leave Clem and the baby because she feels like things are getting to inconvenient. Both characters have major problems that could endanger Clem.
Yes, I don't know for certain, but I can make out a very likely scenario on what would happen based on what we know about Kenny and his previous volatile reactions to things.
Yes, it's very easy for Kenny to say that after Jane's body was already getting cold, and the fight had already finished. But ask yourself, would Kenny have been able to see through his anger? Can you honestly tell me that that answer to that question is a definite "yes"? Even when we see how he reacts when his emotions take over, over and over again in past situations?
I stand by the position that Kenny would not have controlled his emotions and would've gotten even more angered at Jane had she told him about AJ being alive. There wasn't a single drop of rationality in Kenny in that moment, everyone can see that, and when you consider that all he had to do to satisfy the will of his emotions was just push the knife a little further, something he could do in a fraction of second with little to no difficulty, do you really believe he would be able to resist the temptation?
I agree. She knew Kenny would act somewhat violently, but did she know he'd try to kill her? Perhaps she believed she could control all of it. That's not the matter being questioned here, though.
"I was only trying to protect you (or something like that)" - Kenny, after he kills Jane, because that was only for Clem's protection!
But anyways, I do agree that Kenny is a very honest man, but being honest doesn't automatically make a person good, especially when said person murders someone because of an assumption.
Kenny has mental issues. How can you not see that? He can not see through anger, he proves as much in past situations. He most of the time fails to look further and acts on impulse. Hell, he may not be psychotic, but he is definitely handicapped when it comes to emotion management/control.
And I cannot. I just have a seriously hard time to see Kenny being suddenly able to see through his emotions.
Which would be, once again, a creation of his sick head, an assumption with no basis to it. In short, he'd still be wrong about killing Jane.
First of all, AJ was not in any more danger than he would be outside, inside the car.
I agree and you'll never see me denying it, the fight happened because of Jane's actions, but the direct inflictor of the fight was Kenny. He was the one who unreasonably threw the first punch, and he didn't have a good reason to do so.
Jane, on the other hand, has rational reasons behind causing that fight and, in my opinion, valid reasons.
We can't just disregard the intent when analyzing actions.
But that doesn't guarantee a 100% certain he would in this situation. This is also an assumption as we don't see it if things were different.
And yet Jane didn't even attempt to confess what she did. Even if you are right which can never be proved, it's as i said, we'll never know for certain if he'd have stopped or not and i think he would have ok? That is what i think.
Yes. You can dislike that opinion as much as you want but i honestly do and it's a shame we can never see that scene differently.
And Kenny usually comes to his senses in past events when he has people like Lee or Clem to calm him down.
And same goes for me. That's fine, i'm not going to argue anymore with you because we both know how we feel on this. You can hate my opinion all you want. Jane was not rational at all in what she did either, there is no defending her and i am sure you aren't.
Kenny: "I'LL FUCKIN KILL YOU"
Followed by:
How is that a lie?? That is exactly what he believed he was doing and was not said in anyway to be a lie.
Good or not, if i knew the person i was with I'd choose honesty over anyone in a dangerous world like that. Even if the person can be an ass, if i know he or she is an honest that is more important than anything. I never said he was a saint though.
Thank you. He is not "psychotic" but i don't deny that he has issues and is emotionally unstable. Please don't say "how can you not see that" as if i'm an idiot or something. Apologies if that wasn't your intention.
But that's wrong man because if AJ was not in the car and safely with Clem/Kenny or even if Jane turned up with him in her arms, there would be no danger because nothing bad would have happened if she hadn't put on the performance she did.
And i agree, doing that without evidence is wrong but again and as you acknowledged, she was the reason for the fight to happen and she was the reason he threw that first punch, even if it was an assumption. The "first" punch wouldn't have occurred if she hadn't done what she did.
Her reasons may have been rational to an extent but her actions certainly were not and I don't think her reasons should be considered valid after what she ultimately did. She didn't think her plan through properly, something she admits was stupid. She didn't think about AJ's safety properly as anything could have happened to him like freezing to death without someone keeping him warm etc. She knew that Kenny would become dangerous and did not consider Clem's safety either and underestimated even her own safety which should have been even more important for her to consider.
But again, and i am sure you agree, that it wasn't right doing what she did and she had no right forcing that decision or viewpoint on Clem in that way when she could have done something so much better and at a different time when maybe they weren't stranded, lost and hungry etc.
Again i don't want to argue with you on this further. I get so riled up with this scene every time it's brought up. Let's just agree that both of them were wrong ok?
Ah yes, this debate will soon be over. Or will it? Sadly, none of S2 endings seemed particularly "correct" to me. Wellington with AJ seemed to fit best for me. But I'm a player who wanted Omid and Christa in S2 longer than a few minutes. So honoring what Christa wanted was a must for me. After all it was mentioned in the last conversation Clem had with Christa. They were going there. Lee didn't give up on finding Clem. So I don't believe Clem would give up on finding Wellington. So regardless of my Clems "feelings" about Jane or Kenny. Christa believed it was a safeish location. So my Clem would believe. this too. If this choice leads her down a path that leads to her death...I will replay and try the other paths. If however it merely loses her finger. Bye bye finger.
You think AJ would have been like "Nah, I never minded you for leaving me in the car" to Jane? Also, if AJ didn't start crying, you think Jane would have told Clem the truth?
So, you stayed with a Rabid Dog who happily will kill innocents and has destroyed multiple groups due to his rage outs and irrationality.
Well, Jane finds them a stronghold and she's open to Clementine's opinion in regards to who they let in and how to run things. Unlike a certain group destroyer like Kenny who tends to hate anyone that isn't the inner circle. Such as how he instantly hated Luke and went out of his way to harass Luke.
You're being naive. Jane never put the Baby in danger, her actions were meant to protect Clementine and she was right.
Better to have someone willing to save innocent lives like Jane than a rabid dog who indulges in spilling innocent blood like Kenny.
When Kenny fanatics leave. Kenny was a bad person in Season 1, he only got worst in Season 2.
Kenny had many chances.
He failed every single time and his rage outs only got worse with time.
Jane's the one who deserves a chance.
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For valid reasons as Kenny was losing it and literally just destroyed the group like every group he has ever been in.
More crazy than Kenny flipping out over, as far as he knew, an accident and wanting to spill innocent blood?
He's a rabid dog, it's unrealistic and insane for Clementine to back him over Jane.
Because she needed to show Clementine the truth about Kenny as Kenny literally just destroyed the last group all by himself and he was flipping out over every little thing.
If Clementine had lost AJ there's no doubt that he would have raged out on her and Clementine has far less chances or surviving than even Jane did.
She wanted Clementine to admit openly that Kenny was lost and he was, Kenny is the one that pushed things too far.
Finally another rationale person. Darn Kenny Fanatics really have done a number on this board.
Finally another rationale person. Darn Kenny Fanatics really have done a number on this board.
His opinion based upon fact is far better than your Kenny apologist explanation.
Kenny wanted blood, that's a fact. No matter what Jane said he was intent on trying to murder her and spill her innocent blood.
No, it WAS a lie.
Jane was literally no threat to Clementine or even Kenny. Kenny lied to Clementine to try to justify him wanting to spill innocent blood.
No, it WAS a lie.
Jane was literally no threat to Clementine or even Kenny. Kenny lied to Clementine to try to justify him wanting to spill innocent blood.
You mean Kenny is dead and Jane is training Clementine.