Justice: Doing the right thing as best you can, including taking out your enemies/punishing the bad; killing the St Johns, killing the Stranger, abandoning Lilly. However, you don't steal, hurt, or punish the innocent, or people that otherwise aren't purposely malicious, like Ben. You'd let Irene take the gun, you'd shoot the girl in the street, and things like that.
I imagine it's something like
Community: Keeping people alive or with your group (keep Lilly, save Ben, try to save Larry, etc), valuing … morethe life of the people around you more than anything. Every life is precious in its own way, and worth saving.
Justice: Doing the right thing as best you can, including taking out your enemies/punishing the bad; killing the St Johns, killing the Stranger, abandoning Lilly. However, you don't steal, hurt, or punish the innocent, or people that otherwise aren't purposely malicious, like Ben. You'd let Irene take the gun, you'd shoot the girl in the street, and things like that.
Survival: Pretty much all the bad options; killing Larry, dropping Ben, leaving Lilly, stealing food, etc. Everything in the name of survival. The 'Me first, no exceptions' kind of mindset.
Self reliance: Having Clementine shoot the Stranger, having her shoot Lee, praising her and trying to push her to do things on her own, … [view original content]
Justice: Doing the right thing as best you can, including taking out your enemies/punishing the bad; killing the St Johns, killing the Stran… moreger, abandoning Lilly. However, you don't steal, hurt, or punish the innocent, or people that otherwise aren't purposely malicious, like Ben. You'd let Irene take the gun, you'd shoot the girl in the street, and things like that.
You have a... strange definition of justice.
I don't like boiling it down to one thing and leaving it by one word but if I had to pick one, it'd be Community. Sticking together and surviving as a group. Clementine does not believe a group can last forever but she believes having a group can make for a better way of surviving depending on its makeup such as by covering each other's backs and difficulties. Like, say, if someone's good at tinkering or doctoring but poor at hunting then someone else can make up for that shortcoming.
I don't like boiling it down to one thing and leaving it by one word but if I had to pick one, it'd be Community. Sticking together and surv… moreiving as a group. Clementine does not believe a group can last forever but she believes having a group can make for a better way of surviving depending on its makeup such as by covering each other's backs and difficulties. Like, say, if someone's good at tinkering or doctoring but poor at hunting then someone else can make up for that shortcoming.
I don't check the notifications(which I actually didn't know existed for quite some time), I just click on whatever thread has new comments in it and scroll through it. I think the problem here is that we've replied so many times that it's hard to tell who's replying to who due to the similar shades of grey. I also doesn't help that some replies seem to appear under someone else's comment.
I'm also juggling between survival and community. I think I'd go for community... there's no point in surviving if you're not with people you love, or at the very least trust or have a bond with. Since so many people would have lost their families, ones community or people can really bring back at least an inkling of the kinship /support / etc that their individual families did. I feel like in S1 especially that was the case... whilst my actions both reflected a desire for survival and community, the latter mattered more to me.
Really interesting discussion of the four elements. Just to bring a difference of opinion, an argument can be made that the opposite decisions for community could also be accounted for. E.g. Killing Larry was because he could possibly have been a real threat to the rest of your people, leaving lily for the same reason, killing Ben could be for the sake of... removing tension within the group? At that point Kenny was a more integral part of the community and so killing Ben could have allowed for less conflict within the members (idek am I making sense?). Regardless, you bring up interesting points. I guess the way I see it, one could say you favour community even if you harm / abandon / "remove" one member for the sake of the betterment of the group. Just a thought.
I imagine it's something like
Community: Keeping people alive or with your group (keep Lilly, save Ben, try to save Larry, etc), valuing … morethe life of the people around you more than anything. Every life is precious in its own way, and worth saving.
Justice: Doing the right thing as best you can, including taking out your enemies/punishing the bad; killing the St Johns, killing the Stranger, abandoning Lilly. However, you don't steal, hurt, or punish the innocent, or people that otherwise aren't purposely malicious, like Ben. You'd let Irene take the gun, you'd shoot the girl in the street, and things like that.
Survival: Pretty much all the bad options; killing Larry, dropping Ben, leaving Lilly, stealing food, etc. Everything in the name of survival. The 'Me first, no exceptions' kind of mindset.
Self reliance: Having Clementine shoot the Stranger, having her shoot Lee, praising her and trying to push her to do things on her own, … [view original content]
I think we can assume with some certainty that Katjaa called Lee over when the teacher stopped breathing. Within a few seconds of Lee's arri… moreval, the teacher reanimated and tried to grab Katjaa. So 1) he did turn quickly and 2) the walker was not disoriented when it woke up. I also do not think it polite to assume players who helped Kenny did it out of dislike for Larry. And can you explain the medical definition of dead if it is not the heart having stopped? If a person isn't breathing, there is no oxygen being supplied to their brain.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel choosing only one is kind of a weird way to do it.
One idea me and my dad had was having it be a ranking system sort of thing? So, for example, you could have the question be this -
"In The Walking Dead Season One, Clementine met Lee after she lost her family and home. He protected Clem, and taught her vital lessons about surviving in the new world. Rank the following concepts, from lowest to highest, on which lessons Lee felt were most important to Clementine."
And then you could organise them by clicking them in that order, or dragging them into an ascending list, or something.
I feel this is because you can teach "Community" and "Justice" at the same time, or "Survival" and "Self-Reliance". However, it appears you can only pick one of the four. I dunno, this may have already been mentioned, but I feel it's a solution to a potential problem that could arise from people claiming to have taught more than one.
I have not settled solid conceptions for both terms, but I believe that morality is more valuable than justice. In my opinion, the outcome in which humanity as a whole is benefited and kept in balance is preferable to that in which individuals are compensated or punished for their past actions.
I suppose community is as close as it gets to morality.
Kenny did it because he hated Larry and that's a fact !
Do you think he'd have done the same if Lee, Duck ou Katjaa had had a heart attack? I don't think so
Family is an option from seasons 1 and 2. Clem with AJ is yet another reason for that option in season 3. Let's not forget about Javier and his family in season 3.
Probably would have made it more complicated for Telltale to determine the constituents / ordering making up the clusters, but that's a really good idea. Allows for a more comprehensive + accurate version of your Clem.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel choosing only one is kind of a weird way to do it.
One idea me and my dad had was hav… moreing it be a ranking system sort of thing? So, for example, you could have the question be this -
"In The Walking Dead Season One, Clementine met Lee after she lost her family and home. He protected Clem, and taught her vital lessons about surviving in the new world. Rank the following concepts, from lowest to highest, on which lessons Lee felt were most important to Clementine."
[ Community ] - [ Justice ] - [ Survival ] - [ Self-Reliance ]
And then you could organise them by clicking them in that order, or dragging them into an ascending list, or something.
I feel this is because you can teach "Community" and "Justice" at the same time, or "Survival" and "Self-Reliance". However, it appears you can only pick one of the four. I dunno, this may have already been mentioned, but I feel it's a sol… [view original content]
Lee taught Clem the importance of...[community] [justice] [survival] [self reliance]
What... When did Lee taught her that stuff??
Why are they trying to twist Lee into this wise man of the apocalypse, all he did was just protecting Clementine and taught her how to shoot a gun (Not to reload tho, cuz that's not important) and that's it.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel choosing only one is kind of a weird way to do it.
One idea me and my dad had was hav… moreing it be a ranking system sort of thing? So, for example, you could have the question be this -
"In The Walking Dead Season One, Clementine met Lee after she lost her family and home. He protected Clem, and taught her vital lessons about surviving in the new world. Rank the following concepts, from lowest to highest, on which lessons Lee felt were most important to Clementine."
[ Community ] - [ Justice ] - [ Survival ] - [ Self-Reliance ]
And then you could organise them by clicking them in that order, or dragging them into an ascending list, or something.
I feel this is because you can teach "Community" and "Justice" at the same time, or "Survival" and "Self-Reliance". However, it appears you can only pick one of the four. I dunno, this may have already been mentioned, but I feel it's a sol… [view original content]
I helped him played through Season One and Two, as well as Batman recently, because he wanted to see this game I'm so into. He can't use controllers to save his life, so he tells me what he wants me to do and I do that so he can experience the story without having to worry about those pesky QTE's. It's really interesting to see the difference in our choices, and our various interpretations of different scenes. Especially in season one, where we disagreed on loads of choices, but we also agreed on some really minor ones. Weird how these things work out. He really enjoys them, though!
It's honestly so awesome to see his reactions to the various story beats, and to see him get so invested. It's a great way to hang out, considering we don't really get to spend much time together any more. But, uh, yeah. Good times!
That is so cool, I can't get anybody to get into these games with me. I have a young boy (3 years) and I can't wait until the day where I can play Telltale together and talk about his choices and decisions.
Is your father a young dad? That's really awesome that you can at least bond over these amazing stories, I'm sorry that you guys don't spend much time together anymore.
Heh, yeah, it is pretty awesome ^.^
I helped him played through Season One and Two, as well as Batman recently, because he wanted to see … morethis game I'm so into. He can't use controllers to save his life, so he tells me what he wants me to do and I do that so he can experience the story without having to worry about those pesky QTE's. It's really interesting to see the difference in our choices, and our various interpretations of different scenes. Especially in season one, where we disagreed on loads of choices, but we also agreed on some really minor ones. Weird how these things work out. He really enjoys them, though!
It's honestly so awesome to see his reactions to the various story beats, and to see him get so invested. It's a great way to hang out, considering we don't really get to spend much time together any more. But, uh, yeah. Good times!
Thank you for that kind sentiment at the end of your message, that was really thoughtful. It means a lot. I definitely hope your young boy will eventually enjoy the wonder of these games, it's such a delight to sit down and play through a new episode with my dear old man.
My dad's definitely not a young dad, in answer to your question. But he's not old old. Older than most, though ; _ ;
Video games are kind of daunting to him, so it was great to help him play through these adventures. He was gutted when Lee got bit, as well as when there was the Duck situation, and he looked really sorry for me when we had to watch Luke die (He knows I have a bit of a soft spot for him, eheh). It's such a quality way to spend time with him, especially after those defining moments in games - Batman springs to mind, with the end of episodes two and four leaving him desperate for the next episode.
We're both kind of sceptical of A New Frontier, but I'm secretly looking forward to seeing his reactions to the choices again. That's the nicest thing I've ever said, heh.
That is so cool, I can't get anybody to get into these games with me. I have a young boy (3 years) and I can't wait until the day where I c… morean play Telltale together and talk about his choices and decisions.
Is your father a young dad? That's really awesome that you can at least bond over these amazing stories, I'm sorry that you guys don't spend much time together anymore.
You're welcome, my friend. I hope everything works out for the both of you. My son already enjoys watching Minecraft Story Mode but he is still far too young to actually be able to play the game.
Yeah video games can be daunting as hell for older generations (my dad had to look up a guide to help me beat the first boss in Mario 64, took a while haha) but at least with Telltale games it is more about the choices and story that you create as opposed to actual gameplay. I'm glad he enjoyed Batman as well, it took me a few episodes to warm up to it but that might be a series that someone his age can appreciate a lot more than TWD, TFTBL, etc...
Why are you guys skeptical about the new season? Too action-oriented so far?
Thank you for that kind sentiment at the end of your message, that was really thoughtful. It means a lot. I definitely hope your young boy w… moreill eventually enjoy the wonder of these games, it's such a delight to sit down and play through a new episode with my dear old man.
My dad's definitely not a young dad, in answer to your question. But he's not old old. Older than most, though ; _ ;
Video games are kind of daunting to him, so it was great to help him play through these adventures. He was gutted when Lee got bit, as well as when there was the Duck situation, and he looked really sorry for me when we had to watch Luke die (He knows I have a bit of a soft spot for him, eheh). It's such a quality way to spend time with him, especially after those defining moments in games - Batman springs to mind, with the end of episodes two and four leaving him desperate for the next episode.
We're both kind of sceptical of A New Frontier, but I'm … [view original content]
Heh, I'm hoping if I ever have kids I can get them to enjoy the games with me ^.^
The game was also really daunting because of the season two ending, where he was really unhappy with his choice so we went back and re did it, and also with the end of the second episode of Michonne was unhappy with his last choice. It's kinda weird to have my father asking if we can play a little more so he can find out what happens next, too - namely Amid The Ruins, where he begged to just play the first bit to see if everyone would make it. Hee!
We're mostly sceptical because of the amount of action, yeah. The trailer had us both raising our eyebrows, and we both agreed there were loads of weird bits that put us off - the main one for me was Clementine sprinting flat out with a shotgun, out pacing a baseball player and shooting walkers in the face. For him, it was mostly how the characters look too off putting. Neither of us really like the updated graphics, really. But that's a personal gripe. We're both hoping the trailer'll be misleading, and that it'll be awesome, but we're not getting our hopes up. The way we likened it was that, if neither of us had played the series, we would think it was an action game with kinda weird graphics. Dad's also kind of worried he won't see Kenny again :c
You're welcome, my friend. I hope everything works out for the both of you. My son already enjoys watching Minecraft Story Mode but he is … morestill far too young to actually be able to play the game.
Yeah video games can be daunting as hell for older generations (my dad had to look up a guide to help me beat the first boss in Mario 64, took a while haha) but at least with Telltale games it is more about the choices and story that you create as opposed to actual gameplay. I'm glad he enjoyed Batman as well, it took me a few episodes to warm up to it but that might be a series that someone his age can appreciate a lot more than TWD, TFTBL, etc...
Why are you guys skeptical about the new season? Too action-oriented so far?
I'm guessing he chose not to unmask and regretted hurting Alfred? And which choice did he regret from Michonne? IMO Randall had to die, guy was a child killing monster.
Many fair points. I'm also worried that the new visuals don't look very comic book-esque and also that it will lag like Batman did. Hopefully they just used those actiony parts to make a mainstream accepted trailer, I really would love just as much drama and tough choices as action sequences. I'm sure it will be absolutely phenomenal though, this is Telltale and their main series we're talking about here
So your father is a Kenny guy, eh? Did he stay with Kenny all the way until the end? I knew I had a good feeling about him haha
Heh, I'm hoping if I ever have kids I can get them to enjoy the games with me ^.^
The game was also really daunting because of the season… more two ending, where he was really unhappy with his choice so we went back and re did it, and also with the end of the second episode of Michonne was unhappy with his last choice. It's kinda weird to have my father asking if we can play a little more so he can find out what happens next, too - namely Amid The Ruins, where he begged to just play the first bit to see if everyone would make it. Hee!
We're mostly sceptical because of the amount of action, yeah. The trailer had us both raising our eyebrows, and we both agreed there were loads of weird bits that put us off - the main one for me was Clementine sprinting flat out with a shotgun, out pacing a baseball player and shooting walkers in the face. For him, it was mostly how the characters look too off putting. Neither of us really like the updated grap… [view original content]
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And Jane finished teaching her to be a survivor as Lee was unable to finish her training.
You have a... strange definition of justice.
now that I think aout it twice, maybe community is better.
Not really what I'd consider justice, no. I'm just trying to guess what counts as what, that's all.
ok, then?
I don't like boiling it down to one thing and leaving it by one word but if I had to pick one, it'd be Community. Sticking together and surviving as a group. Clementine does not believe a group can last forever but she believes having a group can make for a better way of surviving depending on its makeup such as by covering each other's backs and difficulties. Like, say, if someone's good at tinkering or doctoring but poor at hunting then someone else can make up for that shortcoming.
What... what is this!? You stole my name!
I thought I did
Explain?
Spongebob reference.
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Mf I meant that at the kenny user not you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Is it saying I'm replying to you in your notifications? I clicked on her reply.
I don't check the notifications(which I actually didn't know existed for quite some time), I just click on whatever thread has new comments in it and scroll through it. I think the problem here is that we've replied so many times that it's hard to tell who's replying to who due to the similar shades of grey. I also doesn't help that some replies seem to appear under someone else's comment.
Joined on July 14th, 2012 so the thieving goes the other way XD
Ohhhh Snnnnaaaappp!
I'm also juggling between survival and community. I think I'd go for community... there's no point in surviving if you're not with people you love, or at the very least trust or have a bond with. Since so many people would have lost their families, ones community or people can really bring back at least an inkling of the kinship /support / etc that their individual families did. I feel like in S1 especially that was the case... whilst my actions both reflected a desire for survival and community, the latter mattered more to me.
Survival, and maintaining one's humanity.
If you're looking to retain humanity I'd say community would suit you best.
My Lee most certainly taught Clem the importance of community.
Really interesting discussion of the four elements. Just to bring a difference of opinion, an argument can be made that the opposite decisions for community could also be accounted for. E.g. Killing Larry was because he could possibly have been a real threat to the rest of your people, leaving lily for the same reason, killing Ben could be for the sake of... removing tension within the group? At that point Kenny was a more integral part of the community and so killing Ben could have allowed for less conflict within the members (idek am I making sense?). Regardless, you bring up interesting points. I guess the way I see it, one could say you favour community even if you harm / abandon / "remove" one member for the sake of the betterment of the group. Just a thought.
Kenny did it because he hated Larry and that's a fact !
Do you think he'd have done the same if Lee, Duck ou Katjaa had had a heart attack? I don't think so
I didn't know you! I'm sorry!
Nah, no need. It's a good name. You got good taste.
Lol. Thanks.
Yours is not bad either
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel choosing only one is kind of a weird way to do it.
One idea me and my dad had was having it be a ranking system sort of thing? So, for example, you could have the question be this -
"In The Walking Dead Season One, Clementine met Lee after she lost her family and home. He protected Clem, and taught her vital lessons about surviving in the new world. Rank the following concepts, from lowest to highest, on which lessons Lee felt were most important to Clementine."
[ Community ] - [ Justice ] - [ Survival ] - [ Self-Reliance ]
And then you could organise them by clicking them in that order, or dragging them into an ascending list, or something.
I feel this is because you can teach "Community" and "Justice" at the same time, or "Survival" and "Self-Reliance". However, it appears you can only pick one of the four. I dunno, this may have already been mentioned, but I feel it's a solution to a potential problem that could arise from people claiming to have taught more than one.
Sorry for the long (ish) post!
I have not settled solid conceptions for both terms, but I believe that morality is more valuable than justice. In my opinion, the outcome in which humanity as a whole is benefited and kept in balance is preferable to that in which individuals are compensated or punished for their past actions.
I suppose community is as close as it gets to morality.
Phff I hate nice Clems
I took Kennyshouldadied's comment to mean the players who helped Kenny hated Larry because they were pro-Kenny. That's the way it sounds.
Family is an option from seasons 1 and 2. Clem with AJ is yet another reason for that option in season 3. Let's not forget about Javier and his family in season 3.
Still a badass.
That is the most likely reason, yes.
Probably would have made it more complicated for Telltale to determine the constituents / ordering making up the clusters, but that's a really good idea. Allows for a more comprehensive + accurate version of your Clem.
What... When did Lee taught her that stuff??
Why are they trying to twist Lee into this wise man of the apocalypse, all he did was just protecting Clementine and taught her how to shoot a gun (Not to reload tho, cuz that's not important) and that's it.
You talk to your dad about Telltale? That is awesome!
Heh, yeah, it is pretty awesome ^.^
I helped him played through Season One and Two, as well as Batman recently, because he wanted to see this game I'm so into. He can't use controllers to save his life, so he tells me what he wants me to do and I do that so he can experience the story without having to worry about those pesky QTE's. It's really interesting to see the difference in our choices, and our various interpretations of different scenes. Especially in season one, where we disagreed on loads of choices, but we also agreed on some really minor ones. Weird how these things work out. He really enjoys them, though!
It's honestly so awesome to see his reactions to the various story beats, and to see him get so invested. It's a great way to hang out, considering we don't really get to spend much time together any more. But, uh, yeah. Good times!
That is so cool, I can't get anybody to get into these games with me. I have a young boy (3 years) and I can't wait until the day where I can play Telltale together and talk about his choices and decisions.
Is your father a young dad? That's really awesome that you can at least bond over these amazing stories, I'm sorry that you guys don't spend much time together anymore.
Thank you for that kind sentiment at the end of your message, that was really thoughtful. It means a lot. I definitely hope your young boy will eventually enjoy the wonder of these games, it's such a delight to sit down and play through a new episode with my dear old man.
My dad's definitely not a young dad, in answer to your question. But he's not old old. Older than most, though ; _ ;
Video games are kind of daunting to him, so it was great to help him play through these adventures. He was gutted when Lee got bit, as well as when there was the Duck situation, and he looked really sorry for me when we had to watch Luke die (He knows I have a bit of a soft spot for him, eheh). It's such a quality way to spend time with him, especially after those defining moments in games - Batman springs to mind, with the end of episodes two and four leaving him desperate for the next episode.
We're both kind of sceptical of A New Frontier, but I'm secretly looking forward to seeing his reactions to the choices again. That's the nicest thing I've ever said, heh.
You're welcome, my friend. I hope everything works out for the both of you. My son already enjoys watching Minecraft Story Mode but he is still far too young to actually be able to play the game.
Yeah video games can be daunting as hell for older generations (my dad had to look up a guide to help me beat the first boss in Mario 64, took a while haha) but at least with Telltale games it is more about the choices and story that you create as opposed to actual gameplay. I'm glad he enjoyed Batman as well, it took me a few episodes to warm up to it but that might be a series that someone his age can appreciate a lot more than TWD, TFTBL, etc...
Why are you guys skeptical about the new season? Too action-oriented so far?
Not as badass...
Heh, I'm hoping if I ever have kids I can get them to enjoy the games with me ^.^
The game was also really daunting because of the season two ending, where he was really unhappy with his choice so we went back and re did it, and also with the end of the second episode of Michonne was unhappy with his last choice. It's kinda weird to have my father asking if we can play a little more so he can find out what happens next, too - namely Amid The Ruins, where he begged to just play the first bit to see if everyone would make it. Hee!
We're mostly sceptical because of the amount of action, yeah. The trailer had us both raising our eyebrows, and we both agreed there were loads of weird bits that put us off - the main one for me was Clementine sprinting flat out with a shotgun, out pacing a baseball player and shooting walkers in the face. For him, it was mostly how the characters look too off putting. Neither of us really like the updated graphics, really. But that's a personal gripe. We're both hoping the trailer'll be misleading, and that it'll be awesome, but we're not getting our hopes up. The way we likened it was that, if neither of us had played the series, we would think it was an action game with kinda weird graphics. Dad's also kind of worried he won't see Kenny again :c
Hey, no rush on having kids!! Trust me haha
I'm guessing he chose not to unmask and regretted hurting Alfred? And which choice did he regret from Michonne? IMO Randall had to die, guy was a child killing monster.
Many fair points. I'm also worried that the new visuals don't look very comic book-esque and also that it will lag like Batman did. Hopefully they just used those actiony parts to make a mainstream accepted trailer, I really would love just as much drama and tough choices as action sequences. I'm sure it will be absolutely phenomenal though, this is Telltale and their main series we're talking about here
So your father is a Kenny guy, eh? Did he stay with Kenny all the way until the end? I knew I had a good feeling about him
haha