Clementine seems like a way more interesting protagonist
Look back in S2 we were complaining about playing a little kid and we finally started playing a adult again... But seriously?
Javiers background feels kinda rushed for me and way to short and than we meet Clementine.
- She let a truck crash
- Has a mystery around here that slowly gets revealed
- Knows the surrounding and characters around her
- Joined ''the New Frontier'' and left
- Keeps a eye out for a baby
Even if I never had played S1 and 2 I still think this is way more interesting than Javiers story arc
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I like playing as Javier.
Personally, those aspects is what make her more interesting as a supporting character.
The entire point of S2 was shaping Clementine the way we want to. At the end of S2, that ending was supposed to dignify what your Clementine was like. If you played as Clem in S2 like you do in ANF, that whole idea would be pointless, because no matter what you did at the end of S2, you'll still have complete control over what she does in ANF, leading to a choice that might contradict a past choice. So the fact that you don't have control over her makes her a much more interesting character imo.
Agreed. You can't get a sense of how your choices shaped a character when the character is your avatar. I also think people seem to forget that Clementine didn't start off as a protagonist.
Now that we're playing as Javier, we not only get to interact with Clem and see how her character has grown, we get to play a part in that continuing growth. I have a feeling that we'll have the chance to become the character that gives Clementine the support and help she needs. Clearly she's starting out this season jaded and nonchalant about killing, and I think we'll get the opportunity to remind her that it's alright to rely on others. It's pretty glaring how miserable, lonely, and untrusting she is. That isn't what anyone wants Clem to be, and no doubt part of the narrative will be changing her outlook again.
I also think it has the potential to be a neat contrast to the Lee and Clem dynamic if Telltale plays its cards right. What does an older Clementine need out of a new friend/group as compared to what she once needed from Lee? What is the line between treating her too much like an adult or too much like a kid? Should that line even exist anymore? Should you try to soften her or would that hurt her in the long run? How much alike should you treat her and Gabe? And how do you reconcile whatever you believe with the fact that Clementine has and will make her own choices, and will undoubtedly continue to do game-changing things, for better or for worse? And so on and so forth.
All of these could be compelling choices we can make as Javier now that we have Clementine as a supporting character instead.
It's funny though that our influence only goes for 2-3 lines in the whole 2 episodes, else it's all the same no matter how you shaped Clementine's personality
Well that's kind of it's own problem, that I hope they address more in the later episodes
While I can't judge Javier's character just yet and if he's good as the leading protagonist (so far hearing mixed responses), I do believe Clementine has and always will be more interesting as a supporting character where we as Javier can see her development and personality that was, hopefully, shaped by the decisions we made in season 2, through interacting with her and forming a relationship.
If Clementine had been made protagonist, everything that making her interesting, all this mystery behind her character, it would all be gone. Are you blind to the fact that all you listed is possible due to her not being playable in the present timeline? If she was a protagonist, everything that makes her interesting, everything you listed right now, would be impossible to insert. Unlike in Season 2 where she was playable, she now has a personality, just like she had in Season 1. Clementine is better when we're not playing as her full time, this Season has proved me that. It even makes playing as her in the brief flashbacks all the more interesting, enjoyable and unique.
Uuuuh, I think you could've found a way to make that work. It would a good amount of effort and subtle writing to do so, though.
Honestly, having her be the wild card to your basically straightforward protagonist is a dynamic that I've enjoyed so far. You're not sure what she is going to do and she is the most compelling character in the game right now, so I think it was a good move to have her as a supporting character. I really hope they handle switching control between Javi and her better over the next episodes, if they choose to keep doing it. The flashbacks were a bit jarring. It's not a bad thing to have situations where they're in different places doing different things.
Honestly, having her be the wild card to your basically straightforward protagonist is a dynamic that I've enjoyed so far. You're not sure what she is going to do and she is the most compelling character in the game right now, so I think it was a good move to have her as a supporting character. I really hope they handle switching control between Javi and her better over the next episodes, if they choose to keep doing it. The flashbacks were a bit jarring. It's not a bad thing to have situations where they're in different places doing different things.
Honestly, having her be the wild card to your basically straightforward protagonist is a dynamic that I've enjoyed so far. You're not sure what she is going to do and she is the most compelling character in the game right now, so I think it was a good move to have her as a supporting character. I really hope they handle switching control between Javi and her better over the next episodes, if they choose to keep doing it. The flashbacks were a bit jarring. It's not a bad thing to have situations where they're in different places doing different things.
Honestly, having her be the wild card to your basically straightforward protagonist is a dynamic that I've enjoyed so far. You're not sure what she is going to do and she is the most compelling character in the game right now, so I think it was a good move to have her as a supporting character. I really hope they handle switching control between Javi and her better over the next episodes, if they choose to keep doing it. The flashbacks were a bit jarring. It's not a bad thing to have situations where they're in different places doing different things.
Yeah. She seems more interesting than Javier, but Javier is not bad.
So do I, and I'm actually someone who was against playing as another protagonist after playing as Clem in Season Two. Thanks to Javi I'm already sold on playing as someone new.
Yeah, and they make Clementine unique for all players, and not make them regret their choices
Please, do tell how. Clementine has been acting based on something which is not known yet for us. Why did she refuse to go to Richmond? Why does she need a ride so bad? What about her revenge? To have us play as Clem, we'd have to know her objectives, which are still a mystery to us, so how would you manage to maintain those objectives a secret while having the player play as her coherently to such objectives?
Jesus freaking holy multiple posts 0_0
You're telling me
That's pretty much how it tends to go. I'm sure I said something vaguely similar before, but I noticed how some things tend to have the supporting characters seem more defined and interesting than the main character is--Vanilla Protagonist Syndrome, if you will. I think the reason that is is that the protagonist is the audiences connection to everything that's going in the story and thus, things have more impact if the protagonist develops as the story progress and learns things at the same time the audience does, which makes the supporting characters with up front characteristics seem more defined in comparison at times.
I recall a select few people saying/implying that Lee really wasn't that deep or interesting to them for whatever reason and I think this might be the reason why. With ANF!Clementine, for example, she seems more interesting because we're not with her all the time: when she shows up, she immediately catches your attention as a character that not only has an existing fanbase and presence in the medium but because she is inherently gonna make you wonder what's going on with her given her odd appearance and skilled abilities. I didn't go into it much in my scatterbrained first impressions but I noticed how they were playing Clementine up as this experienced badass in a similar vain to characters like Han Solo and Numbuh 5, right down to going to a bar-like place and hashing out the details of a previous deal, as well as typically having a quick and subtle response to any signs of trouble. Because we're playing as Javier for most of the game, we know who he is, what his motivations are, and what his history entails; with Clementine, we only know who she is through previous events in both previous Seasons, we're given very vague and sporadic details about why she does things the way she does, and the flashbacks gradually clue us in on what her history after the last time we saw her is. So, we know almost everything we need to know about Javier to be able to play as him under the rules of what he might do as a person, while Clementine is intentionally being played as an unusual person of mystery.