[Heavy Spoilers] Let's analyze **** ending so we can stop thinking it is garbage
Two_Faces
Banned
Well, since I guess we all can agree Jane ending was... rushed, and a bit poorly written, and we know Telltale won't change it, we have to accept it, ignoring the ending won't make it go away, so let's make an analyze with big pics so the kids don't get bored, so we all can "understand" and at least... tolerate this ending.
There are 3 good things about this ending
- It is... "long", compared to the Wellington one (last 2:30 minutes) or alone one (3:00 minutes), this ending last around 4:00 minutes, Kenny one last 5:30 but well, is not a competition.
- You get a tattoo.. yeah.. a tattoo is not as cool as a nasty scar or lose an entire finger, but is a good reminder of AJ, Clem spent 2 years with him after all.
- We can give as second name for AJ, Lee, other people my prefer Luke or even Kenny if you feel guilty, but until now, that is the only time Lee is mentioned in this season.
So, let's begin.
This ending happens few after Season 2 finishes, so.. sadly, Jane spent with Clementine and AJ just 2/3 months, she is not visible pregnant at this time, the family just recently robbed them, and the most important thing, AJ is with the blanket of S2.
That means, this ending, is basically an "Alone ending" since you are going to spent the whole time out there with AJ (or maybe in Howe's for a while), but you won't lose a finger, and you will have a lot of food, more than you have with Clem alone ending anyway.
Fine, now we are starting to see a Jane that we haven't seen before, or have we?
(Now you care that much about other people Jane?, specially people like Carver, Troy, the ones that actually died there)
Curiously we all remember Jane in different ways, some of them remember as a bitch that wanted to leave Sarah, others as the girl who helped us when Arvo's group attacked us, other as a "mentor" like Lee, others will only remember her because of the fight at the ending of S2, but Jane isn't like that at all.
Jane has shown to be sensible a lot of times, this if the one that most defines her, and you only get it if you leave her alone
But she also proved to be sensible when talking about Jaime, her childhood, and when Rebecca was mean to her after escaping Howe's.
Now, I think at this point we all know Jane was just using Clem as a replacement of Jaime, even the biggest fan of Jane should accept that (And there is nothing wrong with that, Kenny tried to use AJ as a substitute of Duck)
Since we want to accept this ending, and not throw trash on it, let's pretend this:
- The more time Jane spends around Clementine, the more she reminds her to her sister, meaning, the more depress she gets, after all the real Jaime is dead.
Picking names... for what? A cat? a dog? a baby?, Jane thinking about having a baby? I mean Jaime died after the zombie apocalypse, and Jane is not exactly comfortable around children, specially because she is a survivor, and a survivor wouldn't think on having babies in a zombie apocalypse, so let's ignore that stupid dialogue so out of character and let's think she was picking name for one of those ghosts she sees.
Well, continuing with the flashback, Jane already planned all ahead, she made a deal with Clementine to make her go away for a while, so it wasn't something like "Oh no, I discovered I'm pregnant, let's HANG out with my zombie friends"
That dialogue is strong, and we all should pay more attention to it than we did, let's over think it so we don't call this ending "a piece of garbage" anymore.
If we pay attention to S2, Jane was always teaching new things to Clementine about survival, movements to kill zombies, how to find things, etc.
and if we go back to the whole "Clem is Jaime replacement", it totally makes sense, Jane wants Jaime alive again, and the only way of making it possible is giving her the tools to do so, since she failed protecting her before, maybe on her own "Jaime" would be alright.
Now, if you pay attention to the way Jane says:
She is crying while she says that, like she wants to say goodbye to Clem (Let's pretend she cares, for the people that only think she is selfish) or maybe just she doesn't want to die.
Jane KNOWS she is going to be a liability, and we now what she thinks about being a liability.
Let's remember all that recently happened in Jane's view, mostly because the flashback is soon after S2:
- Luke dying (This clearly affected her, even if she didn't wanted to admit it)
- Clem didn't give her a cookie (She saved her from Arvo group, and no cookie?)
- She "recovered" her dead sister (Clem)
- The family just robbed them, so now they have less food, adding other mouth to feed is going to make everything worst)
- She already taught everything she knows to Clem about survival
- Even though she hated Kenny, she manipulated Clem into killing him, I guess that counts a bit... maybe?
So.. she is broken, REALLY BROKEN, I love Jane but at this point she is fucked up, her feelings and memories won't just go away, meeting Clem is the worst thing that could ever happen to her.
And that's it... she kills herself...
And the only clue of why she did so is that thing
Can anyone explain me how a 11 years old girl (She is that age at that that moment) understand a pregnancy test?, I am way older and I don't even know how read it, and let's remember Clem was 8 when everything started, people are going to talk about killing walkers instead of pregnancy tests.
Now, if we stop overthinking it on the Jane side, how can this affect Clementine?
Clem in S3 is way more "badass" and cold than in S2 and S1, Lee, Kenny, Luke, Christa, Omid, Carley/Doug, Ben(?), Duck, Katjaa, Chuck(?), Carlos, Sarah, Nick(?), etc.
She is surronded by dead people, literally because she is in a zombie apocalypse, but Clem really needed someone close to her (If you choose that ending is Jane the only one close to her) dying.
If you have more or better ideas so we can all hold hands and think about this ending without puking, please say so. (Don't talk about improving it, just understand Jane actions and consequences on Clementine) (And please, no "Jane sucks, Kenny is better, Jane can't grow a beard even though she looks like a boy")
PD: And can someone explain me why Clem wants a van? in the only ending she knows how to drive is with Kenny.
Comments
Um. It's not difficult. + is preggars, - is... not. I'm never having kids but even I know how to read those things. Fairly basic concept. And as the other poster said, Clem spent years with Christa. It's likely she was taught a couple things.
If Jane considered herself a liability then why would she hang herself? Leaving herself to turn and potentially a danger to Clem/AJ.
If we want to be omptimistc. We can spin it as she killed herself and allowed herself to turn. So she can make it so Clem would be able to do even the most toughest things aka killng someone close to her.
JOKES ON HER THOUGH AS SHE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL EXP POINTS JANE. YOU CAN'T TEACH CLEM TO KILL THE PEOPLE SHE LOVES AS SHE HAS ALREADY DONE IT NUMEROUS TIMES.
Seriously, though it was badly done.
i still don't believe she used clem as a complete replacement for jaime, but despite that, this was a nice little analysis.
i'm not even gonna bother justifying it at all since it just left me way too unhappy wth how TT did it.
I can't defend writing this bad. Holy cow this writing makes S2 look Oscars worthy.
I have always hated Jane and yet her dying like this is a disgrace to the fans that liked her. It makes me sick to my stomach imagining her unborn baby dying with her. Her being pregnant was a good twist and maybe it could have changed her by having a baby. That would have been a cool twist. No, we just throw all of it out of the window outright.
I'm being honest here, if it turns out that these weren't nightmares and that Jane or Kenny didn't die as a hero, then I'm not going to play this game ever. I've given TT a good amount of money over the years and for them to treat the fans like that is appalling. It's their job to write quality and if they can't do that, then I'm not giving them a dime for this series. Michonne series was amazing and now they once again dropped the ball, I don't understand it.
Let's be honest though, when it gets to the point where you have to rationalise how stupid and out of character something is, doesn't that ring alarm bells to you?
I get what you're saying about Jane. She was a horrible person (at least to me, I never hated her even after what she did/said about Kenny though) but she was a very smart survivor who knew what to do and how. I refuse to believe she would just kill herself without consulting Clem. She might have said and done some bad things but I doubt she would be as heartless as to end her life without explaining to Clementine why she feels that way. What if whatever was holding her up snapped? Clem would walk in, walker Jane would be there and Clem would struggle to shoot her because she's holding AJ and is shocked... honestly, it just makes no sense. My genuine hope is that these are 'nightmares' like Soundwasteland said and not actual deaths. Please Telltale. I'm begging you for the sake of character consistency.
Yeah but they are not going to change it, it is what it is, is not like they are going to say "We did shit with the endings, here, have this new versions so you can be happy".
i know, i didn't mean to imply that.
i just meant to me, personally, i just don't like the way it was done, so i'm not gonna thinking it all through when telltale didn't care all that much.
Some of them on her orders, no less!
While it wasn't hate torwards Kenny for me, I actually felt the same thing. I felt really really bad for Kenny fans. To give him such a death
@Graysonn
I was thinking. So Clem thought Jane was sleeping ( I guess it was sleeping time?). So let's say Clem wasn't going to look for Jane and the rope around Jane's neck would break, wouldn't this end up Jane killing Clem and AJ while they are sleeping or something ? Jane never would have put them in danger like that
(sorry for my english)
I still curious of who attacked Wellington.
It was a good ending perfectly fitting of a troubled woman that only cared about herself yet tried her hardest to pretend she actually cared about others.