I dont know how others would define it, but that's how I see it. In Lang's case it would have been a 4 on 1 battle he had no weapons but that stupid sword. If shep and others had jumped in he wouldn't have had a chance. But because of plot, Shepard and others did nothing and Thane died instead of Kai.
Also the biotic bubble only protect against projectiles, and Shepard and crew was literally 3 feet away from Kai and thane. If they had shot I doubt they'd miss. And if he used that bubble Thane could had just continued kicking his ass.
Even if they had helped, the plot could just make them miss stormtrooper style. Or he could use that biotic bubble thing to protect himself.
Is plot armor defined by the logical circumstances? I see people use the accusation all the time.
I really can't understand this obsession with Clementine...Clementine wasn't even the protagonist of the first game, nor was she in every single scene like some of you seem to want. That's not saying she didn't have an important role in the story, because she obviously did and acted as Lee's ticket for redemption, but it was, essentially, Lee's story. It was his journey, not Clementine's. She served well as an NPC and was, while a simple character, likable and unlike so many other child characters, not annoying. But that does not mean, in any way, that she was the entire focus of season 1 because she wasn't and that's why the game is far superior to the second. When they attempted to do this in season 2, we see what a failure Clementine, as a protagonist, is.
In season 2, we take over as Clementine, but she has little to no driving force in the actual story, nor does she seem to have much effect on it. Much of the conflict and drama is centred around Kenny and later, Jane, and while, I wouldn't call them the main characters, they do have far more developed roles in the game than the incredibly bland Clementine. Clem is really just an observer, who as the supposed main character, fails considerably in comparison to Lee. Much of this is in part because Clem was still only 11 years old, but it's also because there didn't seem to be anything interesting to explore with the character as the protagonist. When she was an NPC, she was able to serve out a purpose and led the way for Lee's story to continue and eventually, end, but when she's meant to be the protagonist, Clementine is unable to do this and instead just comes across bland due to not having a direct personality. She's a blank slate with no clear motivations. With season 3, though, they have the chance to use Clementine effectively again by returning her character to where she works best- a supporting role.
I totally agree with this post.
I do like Javier but A New Frontier should be a separate story and we should play as Clementine in the ma… morein entries (Season 3).
I hope I do enjoy the rest of A New Frontier and I hope that we get a proper Season 3 with Clementine as the lead
Huh, not sure what went wrong. My Clementine had plenty of personality. Season 2 suffered the same problem as season one, having very polarizing or outright unlikeable supporting characters. Likely because both seasons were primarily centered around being in a dysfunctional group trying to find a place to settle.
I don't mind her not being the playable character of the game as long as they move her story along decently. And while episode 1 was a decent introduction for her, Javier, and Tripp, episode 2 was a disappointing sequence of action events with minimal development and a "shocking" cliffhanger, because of course the brother from two scenes is the leader of the group that's been antagonizing us. It was a poorly put together episode that should have been left as the conclusion to episode 1. And we've got 3 episodes left to develop a personal relationship between people who have a history together we've never experienced, as well as a satisfactory revealing and execution of Clementine's motivations for her grudge against the group and plan to deal with whatever happened. There's too much happening in too short amount of time.
I really can't understand this obsession with Clementine...Clementine wasn't even the protagonist of the first game, nor was she in every si… morengle scene like some of you seem to want. That's not saying she didn't have an important role in the story, because she obviously did and acted as Lee's ticket for redemption, but it was, essentially, Lee's story. It was his journey, not Clementine's. She served well as an NPC and was, while a simple character, likable and unlike so many other child characters, not annoying. But that does not mean, in any way, that she was the entire focus of season 1 because she wasn't and that's why the game is far superior to the second. When they attempted to do this in season 2, we see what a failure Clementine, as a protagonist, is.
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I'm not denying what should or could have happened, I agree with you, but the writers could have written anything they wanted. They crew just standing around was not what was giving Leng plot armor, the writers intention was. The writers could have written the scene to make Leng survive in a myriad of ways that could all be called plot armor and it would all come form the writing, not each specific instance in off themselves.
I dont know how others would define it, but that's how I see it. In Lang's case it would have been a 4 on 1 battle he had no weapons but tha… moret stupid sword. If shep and others had jumped in he wouldn't have had a chance. But because of plot, Shepard and others did nothing and Thane died instead of Kai.
Also the biotic bubble only protect against projectiles, and Shepard and crew was literally 3 feet away from Kai and thane. If they had shot I doubt they'd miss. And if he used that bubble Thane could had just continued kicking his ass.
THIS ^^
I've been with The Walking Dead since S1E1 and for me it's all about Clem. I serioiusly don't care a thing for Javi or his family or anyone else. To me, Telltale's Walking Dead is all about Clem and even trying to introduce new characters is right, but they should be secondary. I know how I felt when I first saw Clem behind Javi, that was the only emotional moment I had. Just the few seconds of seeing MY CLEM.
Then I watched sever other play throughs, and guess what? They ALL did the same thing as me. it was that first moment wehn people saw Clem and they all got excited.
I seriously hope Telltale is paying attention. The people who fell in love with this game, the Characters all want the same thing. Clementine!
I personally got so attached to Clem that I don't care anymore for anyone else except her.I wish we got to play longer as her.Having Javier … moreis fine but my fear is what if Clem is gone in Episode 4 or 5?I don't think I could take that.All the nostalgic moments and then seeing her go/die would just break my heart.Seeing someone you were so attached to and thought her everything dissapear from our lives.Feels like it wasn't worth playing the first 2 seasons just to get attached to someone and then seeing them die off or whatever might happen.
I really hope that doesn't happen but the way its going there is a possibility....
I Actually love playing as Javier and he's quite "dashing" too and nice to look at, I'm starting to prefer him to clementine but I would still be upset if they were to kill off clementine as she's been with us for so long!
The writers intentions=plot. They're the ones who write the plot, and when writers nerf characters by withholding their abilities from a scene or completely causing characters to act illogical just so another character can survive that one instant and get away, is considered plot armor. Let's use another ME3 example with Leng, because goodness knows he's the champ when it comes to plot armor. Leng escaping Thessia. The player must take Liara with them, but tell me why Liara suddenly disappears with your other teammate after the fight while Leng is slowly downloading info from the beacon and Shepard is in a hole. Why couldn't she just put Leng in a stasis field?
No she only instantly reappears to save Shepard as Leng walks gracefully to his air ship. At the very least she could have used her biotics to get Shepard out the hole. But alas she forgets she has biotics. Leng magically survives so many instances that are literally stacked against him because the characters he's fighting disappears, act illogical, or they forgot how to use their own abilities. He never out fights his opponents by using his own skills to best them, it's always because of the plot. The plot needs him to survive, so he does it in the most illogical way. If he actually bested the people he was fighting, then it wouldn't be plot armor. It would just be the plot.
I'm not denying what should or could have happened, I agree with you, but the writers could have written anything they wanted. They crew jus… moret standing around was not what was giving Leng plot armor, the writers intention was. The writers could have written the scene to make Leng survive in a myriad of ways that could all be called plot armor and it would all come form the writing, not each specific instance in off themselves.
After one season of protecting her and molding her and another season of controlling her and making her what you want, I'm quite okay with the focus on being on someone else -- especially after Season 2 where I felt her story had a fitting conclusion.
Now that she's here, however, I'm sticking to Javier and treating her like a stranger because I feel it's a fresh approach instead of doing what the 90% of people will be doing with Clem because of their bias from the previous two seasons.
I know, that Clementine is an important character for all of us, but this series will never move forward, if you don't let someone else take the spotlight for once.
You guys hate it, when characters get killed of without proper character development, but at the same time you don't want someone else to take to much of the spotlight away from Clementine.
Wasn't that the reason, why S2 got hate? Because it focused to much on old characters instead of the new one's?
You really should let go of the mindset, that Clementine is the only important character in The Walking Dead. And it's not like she's completely abscent in S3. She has a smaller role than in S1 and S2, sure, but that gives Telltale the oportunity, to fix the biggest mistake they made in S2, which was how they handled the new characters.
So, if you want Telltale to fix their issues, you, as the community, should also accommodate a little bit, so Telltale can properly do it, without several hate threads or petitions.
There is no reason why Clementine can't move the story forward, it all comes down to writing skill and ambition, there is nothing else that influences it.
And no, we should not accomodate anything. Telltale is a company with professionals, the only thing they listen to is our protests and if not, our money. Nothing will change if we silently wait on the sideline and pretend what they're making is fantastic.
I know, that Clementine is an important character for all of us, but this series will never move forward, if you don't let someone else take… more the spotlight for once.
You guys hate it, when characters get killed of without proper character development, but at the same time you don't want someone else to take to much of the spotlight away from Clementine.
Wasn't that the reason, why S2 got hate? Because it focused to much on old characters instead of the new one's?
You really should let go of the mindset, that Clementine is the only important character in The Walking Dead. And it's not like she's completely abscent in S3. She has a smaller role than in S1 and S2, sure, but that gives Telltale the oportunity, to fix the biggest mistake they made in S2, which was how they handled the new characters.
So, if you want Telltale to fix their issues, you, as the community, should also accommodate a little bit, so Telltale can properly do it, without several hate threads or petitions.
But that's just my two cents.
I wouldn't say I feel 'betrayed' by Telltale, but I am a little disappointed. I wasn't much of a Clem fan in Season 1 as I saw her more of a plot device to reflect the player's choices than an actual character. However in the wake of Season 2 I felt Clem truly came into her own and fully adopted Lee's 'Mantle of Badassery' and I really grew to love her. Now that we've been forced to relinquish control of her (for the most part) I can't help but feel some amount of loss. Javier is fine, I guess, but I don't really care that much about him so far. The loss and trials that he's suffered through so far have left me going "Meh...Hey! What's Clem up to over there?" I guess ultimately I can't separate the notion that Clem is no longer my character, and thus the one I should be the most concerned with. This mentality I've noted has made a major impact on all my choices thus far in that I pretty much choose every option that benefits or is desired by Clem the NPC. The end result is that (in my game at least) Javier's sole purpose is to act as an outside observer of the Clem character and the choices she and Lee have made in previous games, thus Javier becomes what I considered Clem to be in Season 1: A plot device.
There is no reason why Clementine can't move the story forward, it all comes down to writing skill and ambition, there is nothing else that … moreinfluences it.
And no, we should not accomodate anything. Telltale is a company with professionals, the only thing they listen to is our protests and if not, our money. Nothing will change if we silently wait on the sideline and pretend what they're making is fantastic.
They have all the time they want, we don't control the deadline. In the meantime it's our duty as consumers to yell as loudly as we can about the parts that are not okay.
Obviously it has to be founded in reason and with proper arguments, but we have to be obnoxious about it to draw attention.
Yeah, i can understand that, since Telltale really seems to be deaf recently, but still. I give them time to build up something good and if they don't deliver, i will be there.
They have all the time they want, we don't control the deadline. In the meantime it's our duty as consumers to yell as loudly as we can abou… moret the parts that are not okay.
Obviously it has to be founded in reason and with proper arguments, but we have to be obnoxious about it to draw attention.
Yeah, i can understand that, since Telltale really seems to be deaf recently, but still. I give them time to build up something good and if they don't deliver, i will be there.
That's interesting. The previous seasons I've played as if I was that character, but with Javier I've been playing him as if I have an idea of how he should/would be. So for the most part he's light-hearted, optimistic, friendly, and submissive. However when the situation happened concerning his family, I immediately took action against them. I didn't even give Conrad a chance to utter but a few words - not for Clementine's sake either, but for the family. I just wish I had more time as Clementine because as much as I'm digging Javier & his family (except Gabe), I want to keep her story going. I don't like these 5 minute flashbacks...
Yup, agree, 100%. Javier is fine, but I'm just playing him as an extension of Lee. When it comes down to 'Any Character' vs Clementine, the… moren my adopted daughter wins, every time. I'll gladly sacrifice Javier's fam if it means keeping Clem safe. It's like, sorry Conrad, I've known you barely five minutes, whereas I've protected this girl for years now. ANYONE who threatens her gets a bullet.
All you've said is spot on and logical. I doubt Lee would had gotten shoved off the stage if he had survived both seasons 1 and 2. Clem was highly likeable as a character, but not so well received as the player character apparently because of her "limitations" in comparison to the cliche tall strong handsome male in the apocalypse.
Clementine is to TWDG what Rick Grimes is to TWD. She's that freaking important to the game and TTG pushing her to the side to make room for… more Javier is both tone deaf and disappointing.
Just think about how Rick's presence dominates TWD, even in the later issues of the comics (where he is much less of an action hero and delegates more of his leadership responsbilities). While it's very likely that Kirkman will one day kill off Rick, TWD is very much Rick's story and the other characters, though important, are supporting cast to Rick. He's the "Everyman" that the audience relates to and he's who we identify with, root for, root against, feel for, and fear for. You can't just remove him from the story without changing what it's about, for better or worse, you dance with the one that brought you.
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I agree. We started looking through Clem's eyes, so we should still be her. I do feel betrayed since she is the only reason I am still playing. It sure ain't because choices matter or anything like that.
I find it sad that people see Clementine as the be all see all of TWD and can't grasp even the idea of the walking dead products without clementine as the main focus or in it. For as much of a lovable character clementine is Telltale has unintentionally created a character that is like a vital drug for people in these games to always need. And to be honest....i kinda think some people have a unhealthy obsession with Clementine
? You've got to hate a lot of media then, there are plenty of examples of series and franchises where people view a core character as what makes the product what it is. This is, in absolutely no way, a new or unique occurrence.
I find it sad that people see Clementine as the be all see all of TWD and can't grasp even the idea of the walking dead products without cle… morementine as the main focus or in it. For as much of a lovable character clementine is Telltale has unintentionally created a character that is like a vital drug for people in these games to always need. And to be honest....i kinda think some people have a unhealthy obsession with Clementine
? You've got to hate a lot of media then, there are plenty of examples of series and franchises where people view a core character as what makes the product what it is. This is, in absolutely no way, a new or unique occurrence.
Yup, agree, 100%. Javier is fine, but I'm just playing him as an extension of Lee. When it comes down to 'Any Character' vs Clementine, the… moren my adopted daughter wins, every time. I'll gladly sacrifice Javier's fam if it means keeping Clem safe. It's like, sorry Conrad, I've known you barely five minutes, whereas I've protected this girl for years now. ANYONE who threatens her gets a bullet.
Clementine is to TWDG what Rick Grimes is to TWD. She's that freaking important to the game and TTG pushing her to the side to make room for… more Javier is both tone deaf and disappointing.
Just think about how Rick's presence dominates TWD, even in the later issues of the comics (where he is much less of an action hero and delegates more of his leadership responsbilities). While it's very likely that Kirkman will one day kill off Rick, TWD is very much Rick's story and the other characters, though important, are supporting cast to Rick. He's the "Everyman" that the audience relates to and he's who we identify with, root for, root against, feel for, and fear for. You can't just remove him from the story without changing what it's about, for better or worse, you dance with the one that brought you.
We've seen Rick go from waking up in a coma during the zombie apocalypse to making real strives (amidst setbacks) toward rebuilding civilization. … [view original content]
When we played as Lee, Lee was trying to make Clementine survive. Hell, Lee got bit trying to find Clementine - he basically sacrificed himself for her!
Then we played as Clem in Season 2.
Two whole seasons have been about Clementine and her surviving, and now TellTale are taking away the bond THEY created with THEIR story.
Obsessed Clem fans everywhere. TWD isnt just about Clem. Its about people trying to survive. Clem is better off as an NPC anyway. Her character is already way better than season 2.
The combat has become way too easy and unenvolved and it's a good story but it's now like watching a tv show it's not as emersive and parts have gotten quicker to play way too quick and decisions do not seem to do much to change outcome of the game
for the first time when i realize that Clem isn't main character i was really disappointed but ok she is still with us, we play as her in flashback so better then nothing. but other thing is unbelievable for me. one episode takes one hour. really telltale? this is so fuc**ng short
Ugh.. people like you are gonna ruin good series in the future. Theres enough of you morons like Kenny fans that you actively CAN make a difference and thats worrying. No we dont need another plot armor protagonist running around just cause of fan favoritism and if Javier has to die at the end of this season unavoidable just so you Clem fans can be happy, I'm gonna be mad. I know who to direct my anger too aswell, Mr Nikolaj
There is no reason why Clementine can't move the story forward, it all comes down to writing skill and ambition, there is nothing else that … moreinfluences it.
And no, we should not accomodate anything. Telltale is a company with professionals, the only thing they listen to is our protests and if not, our money. Nothing will change if we silently wait on the sideline and pretend what they're making is fantastic.
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I dont know how others would define it, but that's how I see it. In Lang's case it would have been a 4 on 1 battle he had no weapons but that stupid sword. If shep and others had jumped in he wouldn't have had a chance. But because of plot, Shepard and others did nothing and Thane died instead of Kai.
Also the biotic bubble only protect against projectiles, and Shepard and crew was literally 3 feet away from Kai and thane. If they had shot I doubt they'd miss. And if he used that bubble Thane could had just continued kicking his ass.
I really can't understand this obsession with Clementine...Clementine wasn't even the protagonist of the first game, nor was she in every single scene like some of you seem to want. That's not saying she didn't have an important role in the story, because she obviously did and acted as Lee's ticket for redemption, but it was, essentially, Lee's story. It was his journey, not Clementine's. She served well as an NPC and was, while a simple character, likable and unlike so many other child characters, not annoying. But that does not mean, in any way, that she was the entire focus of season 1 because she wasn't and that's why the game is far superior to the second. When they attempted to do this in season 2, we see what a failure Clementine, as a protagonist, is.
In season 2, we take over as Clementine, but she has little to no driving force in the actual story, nor does she seem to have much effect on it. Much of the conflict and drama is centred around Kenny and later, Jane, and while, I wouldn't call them the main characters, they do have far more developed roles in the game than the incredibly bland Clementine. Clem is really just an observer, who as the supposed main character, fails considerably in comparison to Lee. Much of this is in part because Clem was still only 11 years old, but it's also because there didn't seem to be anything interesting to explore with the character as the protagonist. When she was an NPC, she was able to serve out a purpose and led the way for Lee's story to continue and eventually, end, but when she's meant to be the protagonist, Clementine is unable to do this and instead just comes across bland due to not having a direct personality. She's a blank slate with no clear motivations. With season 3, though, they have the chance to use Clementine effectively again by returning her character to where she works best- a supporting role.
The entire season, which is enough for now.
YES!!!! I do hope TTG will listen to us!
Huh, not sure what went wrong. My Clementine had plenty of personality. Season 2 suffered the same problem as season one, having very polarizing or outright unlikeable supporting characters. Likely because both seasons were primarily centered around being in a dysfunctional group trying to find a place to settle.
I don't mind her not being the playable character of the game as long as they move her story along decently. And while episode 1 was a decent introduction for her, Javier, and Tripp, episode 2 was a disappointing sequence of action events with minimal development and a "shocking" cliffhanger, because of course the brother from two scenes is the leader of the group that's been antagonizing us. It was a poorly put together episode that should have been left as the conclusion to episode 1. And we've got 3 episodes left to develop a personal relationship between people who have a history together we've never experienced, as well as a satisfactory revealing and execution of Clementine's motivations for her grudge against the group and plan to deal with whatever happened. There's too much happening in too short amount of time.
I'm not denying what should or could have happened, I agree with you, but the writers could have written anything they wanted. They crew just standing around was not what was giving Leng plot armor, the writers intention was. The writers could have written the scene to make Leng survive in a myriad of ways that could all be called plot armor and it would all come form the writing, not each specific instance in off themselves.
THIS ^^
I've been with The Walking Dead since S1E1 and for me it's all about Clem. I serioiusly don't care a thing for Javi or his family or anyone else. To me, Telltale's Walking Dead is all about Clem and even trying to introduce new characters is right, but they should be secondary. I know how I felt when I first saw Clem behind Javi, that was the only emotional moment I had. Just the few seconds of seeing MY CLEM.
Then I watched sever other play throughs, and guess what? They ALL did the same thing as me. it was that first moment wehn people saw Clem and they all got excited.
I seriously hope Telltale is paying attention. The people who fell in love with this game, the Characters all want the same thing. Clementine!
I Actually love playing as Javier and he's quite "dashing" too and nice to look at, I'm starting to prefer him to clementine but I would still be upset if they were to kill off clementine as she's been with us for so long!
I personally miss season 2 Clem the most. I just loved going around and being a dick to everyone.
The writers intentions=plot. They're the ones who write the plot, and when writers nerf characters by withholding their abilities from a scene or completely causing characters to act illogical just so another character can survive that one instant and get away, is considered plot armor. Let's use another ME3 example with Leng, because goodness knows he's the champ when it comes to plot armor. Leng escaping Thessia. The player must take Liara with them, but tell me why Liara suddenly disappears with your other teammate after the fight while Leng is slowly downloading info from the beacon and Shepard is in a hole. Why couldn't she just put Leng in a stasis field?
No she only instantly reappears to save Shepard as Leng walks gracefully to his air ship. At the very least she could have used her biotics to get Shepard out the hole. But alas she forgets she has biotics. Leng magically survives so many instances that are literally stacked against him because the characters he's fighting disappears, act illogical, or they forgot how to use their own abilities. He never out fights his opponents by using his own skills to best them, it's always because of the plot. The plot needs him to survive, so he does it in the most illogical way. If he actually bested the people he was fighting, then it wouldn't be plot armor. It would just be the plot.
After one season of protecting her and molding her and another season of controlling her and making her what you want, I'm quite okay with the focus on being on someone else -- especially after Season 2 where I felt her story had a fitting conclusion.
Now that she's here, however, I'm sticking to Javier and treating her like a stranger because I feel it's a fresh approach instead of doing what the 90% of people will be doing with Clem because of their bias from the previous two seasons.
I miss my sweet pea. tear
Season 3 Clementine is already better than Season 2 Clementine. Just my opinion.
Goddamn, I really wished Kenny would call her that just once before nodding off, or at least reference it.
I know, that Clementine is an important character for all of us, but this series will never move forward, if you don't let someone else take the spotlight for once.
You guys hate it, when characters get killed of without proper character development, but at the same time you don't want someone else to take to much of the spotlight away from Clementine.
Wasn't that the reason, why S2 got hate? Because it focused to much on old characters instead of the new one's?
You really should let go of the mindset, that Clementine is the only important character in The Walking Dead. And it's not like she's completely abscent in S3. She has a smaller role than in S1 and S2, sure, but that gives Telltale the oportunity, to fix the biggest mistake they made in S2, which was how they handled the new characters.
So, if you want Telltale to fix their issues, you, as the community, should also accommodate a little bit, so Telltale can properly do it, without several hate threads or petitions.
But that's just my two cents.
There is no reason why Clementine can't move the story forward, it all comes down to writing skill and ambition, there is nothing else that influences it.
And no, we should not accomodate anything. Telltale is a company with professionals, the only thing they listen to is our protests and if not, our money. Nothing will change if we silently wait on the sideline and pretend what they're making is fantastic.
I wouldn't say I feel 'betrayed' by Telltale, but I am a little disappointed. I wasn't much of a Clem fan in Season 1 as I saw her more of a plot device to reflect the player's choices than an actual character. However in the wake of Season 2 I felt Clem truly came into her own and fully adopted Lee's 'Mantle of Badassery' and I really grew to love her. Now that we've been forced to relinquish control of her (for the most part) I can't help but feel some amount of loss. Javier is fine, I guess, but I don't really care that much about him so far. The loss and trials that he's suffered through so far have left me going "Meh...Hey! What's Clem up to over there?" I guess ultimately I can't separate the notion that Clem is no longer my character, and thus the one I should be the most concerned with. This mentality I've noted has made a major impact on all my choices thus far in that I pretty much choose every option that benefits or is desired by Clem the NPC. The end result is that (in my game at least) Javier's sole purpose is to act as an outside observer of the Clem character and the choices she and Lee have made in previous games, thus Javier becomes what I considered Clem to be in Season 1: A plot device.
I dont want us to wait forever, but we're just 2 episodes into the new Season. We should atleast give them more time.
They have all the time they want, we don't control the deadline. In the meantime it's our duty as consumers to yell as loudly as we can about the parts that are not okay.
Obviously it has to be founded in reason and with proper arguments, but we have to be obnoxious about it to draw attention.
Yeah, i can understand that, since Telltale really seems to be deaf recently, but still. I give them time to build up something good and if they don't deliver, i will be there.
That's what people said in season 2 my friend. As I said, they have all the time they want, and they had 2 years. We are not their time managers.
Yes, we critizised S2 and now it's Telltale's turn to do it better. If they don't deliver this Season, i am all aboard the hate train.
It's not about hate, it's about giving them constructive feedback.
As soon as I klicked on "Post Reply" i knew, that 'Hate' was the wrong word, but i'm way to lazy to edit it, so i'm sorry.
Clementine alone is not the Walking Dead as a whole.
If you don't mind me asking, what makes her Clementine?
That's interesting. The previous seasons I've played as if I was that character, but with Javier I've been playing him as if I have an idea of how he should/would be. So for the most part he's light-hearted, optimistic, friendly, and submissive. However when the situation happened concerning his family, I immediately took action against them. I didn't even give Conrad a chance to utter but a few words - not for Clementine's sake either, but for the family. I just wish I had more time as Clementine because as much as I'm digging Javier & his family (except Gabe), I want to keep her story going. I don't like these 5 minute flashbacks...
All you've said is spot on and logical. I doubt Lee would had gotten shoved off the stage if he had survived both seasons 1 and 2. Clem was highly likeable as a character, but not so well received as the player character apparently because of her "limitations" in comparison to the cliche tall strong handsome male in the apocalypse.
I agree. We started looking through Clem's eyes, so we should still be her. I do feel betrayed since she is the only reason I am still playing. It sure ain't because choices matter or anything like that.
I find it sad that people see Clementine as the be all see all of TWD and can't grasp even the idea of the walking dead products without clementine as the main focus or in it. For as much of a lovable character clementine is Telltale has unintentionally created a character that is like a vital drug for people in these games to always need. And to be honest....i kinda think some people have a unhealthy obsession with Clementine
? You've got to hate a lot of media then, there are plenty of examples of series and franchises where people view a core character as what makes the product what it is. This is, in absolutely no way, a new or unique occurrence.
I can give you an example right now. Daryl. A lot of memes were even born that "if they kill Daryl, we riot".
This times a thousand.
Always Clem. Always.
This times a hundred thousand!
Clem is The Walking Dead.
Without her, The Walking Dead isn't The Walking Dead.
When we played as Lee, Lee was trying to make Clementine survive. Hell, Lee got bit trying to find Clementine - he basically sacrificed himself for her!
Then we played as Clem in Season 2.
Two whole seasons have been about Clementine and her surviving, and now TellTale are taking away the bond THEY created with THEIR story.
The combat has become way too easy and unenvolved and it's a good story but it's now like watching a tv show it's not as emersive and parts have gotten quicker to play way too quick and decisions do not seem to do much to change outcome of the game
I honestly never want to play as Clementine again. Have her around? Yes, definitely. Play as her? No!
Clementine has the same role now as she did in season 1
for the first time when i realize that Clem isn't main character i was really disappointed but ok she is still with us, we play as her in flashback so better then nothing. but other thing is unbelievable for me. one episode takes one hour. really telltale? this is so fuc**ng short
Except now, she's a borderline young adult whose more than capable of taking care of herself and has connections with powerful people.
Ugh.. people like you are gonna ruin good series in the future. Theres enough of you morons like Kenny fans that you actively CAN make a difference and thats worrying. No we dont need another plot armor protagonist running around just cause of fan favoritism and if Javier has to die at the end of this season unavoidable just so you Clem fans can be happy, I'm gonna be mad. I know who to direct my anger too aswell, Mr Nikolaj