I do agree. An issue that the episode has is that the player is not allowed to agree with Conrad's plan before he escalates the situation by holding Gabe at gunpoint.
While I am not a fan of Gabe, of course I shot him because he took him hostage. And because of Clementine, since I played S1 and S2 (and imported the saves) (It's hard to stay neutral as a seasoned player).
We cannot forget also that Conrad wanted Javier to give himself up (to probably a death sentence) to get his girlfriend Francine back.
How do you know that? they'll obviously find a way to fin AJ because scripted events demands so.
If you do nothing he shoots you. He was taking someone hostage to force you to choose but I guess he was "reasonable".
The difference between both scenarios is that, with Alvin Junior inside Richmond, with Clementine outside, and with Javier oblivious to the … moretoddler's existence, we will not be able to take him with us were we to escape the settlement at some point.
And you also killed somebody.
Clearly to show he was starting to loose it the same way Lilly was when she shot Carley. Too bad there wasn't an option to distract him to take the gun, could have been a lot easier.
I do agree. An issue that the episode has is that the player is not allowed to agree with Conrad's plan before he escalates the situation by holding Gabe at gunpoint.
she still stick around with you
yeah.. its hilarious. doesnt she realize that everyone around her dies?remember what happen to cabin… more group from season 2 after she joined them? she needs to stay away from people but somehow always ends up in some group. look a what happened to javiers niece as soon as clementine joined them. its like shes doing it on purpose.
With what did Conrad help you out exactly?
actually, he and his group was the ones who helped javier out without asking anything in return.
maybe not, but i prefer to play realistically. tell me one good reason why javier would put clementine (person he just met) in front of kate… more who is family and potential love interest? do you think clementine would do same for him if it was between saving javier or aj?
she still stick around with you
yeah.. its hilarious. doesnt she realize that everyone around her dies?remember what happen to cabin… more group from season 2 after she joined them? she needs to stay away from people but somehow always ends up in some group. look a what happened to javiers niece as soon as clementine joined them. its like shes doing it on purpose.
With what did Conrad help you out exactly?
actually, he and his group was the ones who helped javier out without asking anything in return.
You mean at the dumpsters? Just as well, considering Javi saves Conrad when he tackles that walker while Conrad surrounds himself with walkers out near the underpass.
I would have accepted Conrad's plan had he not pointed a gun at Gabe. That was a completely stupid move on his part given what happened at the end of episode 1.
I also figured out that David was the leader of the New Frontier. They let some clue drop earlier on the episode. I can't remember what it was. I shot Conrad because he threatened Gabe but also because the New Frontier didn't honour the earlier deal when I gave myself up when they held Conrad's wife hostage. That made me think that even if we gave them Clem, they would still not help.
To be honest I kinda figured out that David was going to be the Leader, obviously I wasnt 100% positive and didnt shoot Conrad solely on a h… moreunch, but its also Telltale, it wont matter. Obviously taking Clem would give a higher chance for medical help, however because David is the leader, she's going to get it anyway.
I'll choose both options of course but if previous seasons proved me anything, things won't change much beside relationship between some characters which the player may or may not make things better for everybody. Personally, I always found neutrality to be the best option.
Conrad said he didn't intend to shoot. If you stay silent, he kills Gabe and Javi, but that is because Telltale cannot advance the plot if you keep quiet and don't do anything; it's not meant to be taken as canon.
I said he was advocating for the reasonable course of action! Taking Gabriel hostage was unnecessary and it escalated the situation; nonetheless, I don't believe he has to die for acting foolishly once.
How do you know that? they'll obviously find a way to fin AJ because scripted events demands so.
If you do nothing he shoots you. He was taking someone hostage to force you to choose but I guess he was "reasonable".
You mean at the dumpsters? Just as well, considering Javi saves Conrad when he tackles that walker while Conrad surrounds himself with walkers out near the underpass.
Nobody had to die, but to some people taking a family member hostage and using a child as a bargaining chip is the limit.
You mean just like him suddenly firing his shotgun at a group of walkers in the tunnel, thus attracting more walkers and endangering the group?
I said he was advocating for the reasonable course of action! Taking Gabriel hostage was unnecessary and it escalated the situation; nonetheless, I don't believe he has to die for acting foolishly once.
Nobody had to die, but to some people taking a family member hostage and using a child as a bargaining chip is the limit.
You mean just lik… moree him suddenly firing his shotgun at a group of walkers in the tunnel, thus attracting more walkers and endangering the group?
Only thing that changes are the relationship between the characters, not the outcome. And even then, sometimes the characters react the same way no matter what you do. Kate would still get inside and get medical treatment no matter if you surrender your weapons or not. Francine dies no matter what you do and Conrad blames you not matter what you chose to do. And again the player is the one to decide what type of man Javier is, just like they decided what type of people Lee and Clementine were in previous seasons. No right/wrong answers.
I go by the no killing rule unless I absolutely have to i.e. Kenny stabbing Jane and I know I would be able to make it up with Clem in next episodes so it wasn't really a big deal. Still, I think he started to completely loose it since Francine's death and acting foolishly.
If you play Javi as a guy who doesn't tolerate people threatening his family, or who doesn't like to take any risks (specially after what happened to Mariana) then that's a good enough reason to shoot Conrad. If Conrad pointed a gun at Gabe once to make Javi agree to something, what makes you think he won't do it again? Next time, someone might actually get hurt too. It's a matter of which option you think it's best at that moment and how you want your Javier to deal with crazy ass guys.
I agree. I had Javier shoot Conrad, yet I didn't do it for Clementine, but for Gabe. I don't like Gabriel, but he's part of Javier's family.… more
Conrad explicitly told a Javi that "nobody's got to shoot anybody!" Taking his nephew hostage was just a means to get Javier to agree with the most pragmatic route.
Or did you kill Conrad so as to avoid angering Gabe?
Conrad has shown he is losing control of himself. He no longer thinks about consequences and is taking rash decisions. (like using a shotgun on a tunnel full of walkers) He is a danger to the group.
He points a gun at Javier, a 13 year old kid and his nephew.
He then proceeds to threaten everyone and put Gabe at gunpoint because they are not agreeing with him and give in to his demands.
He is willing to take a kid as a prisoner and deliver her on a silver platter to the same monsters who killed Mariana in cold blood.
Javier has a clear shot of his head because Conrad is taller than Gabe, Javier is close to them and already aiming the gun at him in a steady position.
If he doesn't take that risk and lets him live, not only does he have to agree to his plan of potentially sentencing a kid to death, slavery, torture, etc. but he also puts everyone at risk, not just his family, because later on Conrad can pull another stunt like that and actually kill someone and Javier might not be able to react in time.
It's. not. all. about. Clem. Seriously, is it that hard to understand? There is no such things as "play realistically". It's a damn choice. If you think one is better than the other, fine. But there are no right or wrong choices and they all make sense for Javier.
maybe not, but i prefer to play realistically. tell me one good reason why javier would put clementine (person he just met) in front of kate… more who is family and potential love interest? do you think clementine would do same for him if it was between saving javier or aj?
In my case, the plan seemed like it could benefit a larger number of people than the alternative would. I would've agreed with it even before Conrad pulled a gun on Gabe, and, to be fair, I am tickled that we didn't have the option.
If you play Javi as a guy who doesn't tolerate people threatening his family, or who doesn't like to take any risks (specially after what ha… moreppened to Mariana) then that's a good enough reason to shoot Conrad. If Conrad pointed a gun at Gabe once to make Javi agree to something, what makes you think he won't do it again? Next time, someone might actually get hurt too. It's a matter of which option you think it's best at that moment and how you want your Javier to deal with crazy ass guys.
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I do agree. An issue that the episode has is that the player is not allowed to agree with Conrad's plan before he escalates the situation by holding Gabe at gunpoint.
He was pointing the gun at Gabe
While I am not a fan of Gabe, of course I shot him because he took him hostage. And because of Clementine, since I played S1 and S2 (and imported the saves) (It's hard to stay neutral as a seasoned player).
We cannot forget also that Conrad wanted Javier to give himself up (to probably a death sentence) to get his girlfriend Francine back.
How do you know that? they'll obviously find a way to fin AJ because scripted events demands so.
If you do nothing he shoots you. He was taking someone hostage to force you to choose but I guess he was "reasonable".
Clearly to show he was starting to loose it the same way Lilly was when she shot Carley. Too bad there wasn't an option to distract him to take the gun, could have been a lot easier.
Are you honestly going to blame Clementine for Mari's death? Because that's just stupid.
Either way, Conrad had that slip on a banana coming I guess.
I guess the fall of Prescott is all Clementine's fault too. They mentioned Javier stealing and killing, but I think they meant Clementine.
No, it's not canon but that fact that it's what they would've done still matters.
Dude, Conrad had a gun pointed at Gabe and Clementine, I may have accepted the plan if he didn't draw his gun at all.
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What higher chances? David, her husband, is the leader of that group. Chances are pretty much the same.
the fuck? this is second time i hear this today. u must have me confused with someone. lol
Clem wouldn't even think about it. Javi and fam are second.
yeah thats was her plan right from the season 1 clem starterd zombie apocalypse just to kill javier niece!! 100%
What did I just read?
Darn double posts
You mean at the dumpsters? Just as well, considering Javi saves Conrad when he tackles that walker while Conrad surrounds himself with walkers out near the underpass.
I would have accepted Conrad's plan had he not pointed a gun at Gabe. That was a completely stupid move on his part given what happened at the end of episode 1.
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I also figured out that David was the leader of the New Frontier. They let some clue drop earlier on the episode. I can't remember what it was. I shot Conrad because he threatened Gabe but also because the New Frontier didn't honour the earlier deal when I gave myself up when they held Conrad's wife hostage. That made me think that even if we gave them Clem, they would still not help.
I'll choose both options of course but if previous seasons proved me anything, things won't change much beside relationship between some characters which the player may or may not make things better for everybody. Personally, I always found neutrality to be the best option.
Conrad said he didn't intend to shoot. If you stay silent, he kills Gabe and Javi, but that is because Telltale cannot advance the plot if you keep quiet and don't do anything; it's not meant to be taken as canon.
I said he was advocating for the reasonable course of action! Taking Gabriel hostage was unnecessary and it escalated the situation; nonetheless, I don't believe he has to die for acting foolishly once.
You left that part out as well.
Telltale needed to rewind the scene somehow because the plot cannot advance if you keep quiet and do nothing.
Nice avatar! Mari is awesome!
Oh, so Javi knew David was in charge of Capricorn Farm all along!
Nobody had to die, but to some people taking a family member hostage and using a child as a bargaining chip is the limit.
You mean just like him suddenly firing his shotgun at a group of walkers in the tunnel, thus attracting more walkers and endangering the group?
Agreed with everything you said, Daze.
I knew that kid was trouble...bet she did start the Apocalypse
To be clear—would you have considered accepting Conrad's plan if you'd had the chance to agree with it without him pulling a firearm on Gabe?
So Javier saved his life...they were even.
Mari is in my top ten characters now.
Only thing that changes are the relationship between the characters, not the outcome. And even then, sometimes the characters react the same way no matter what you do. Kate would still get inside and get medical treatment no matter if you surrender your weapons or not. Francine dies no matter what you do and Conrad blames you not matter what you chose to do. And again the player is the one to decide what type of man Javier is, just like they decided what type of people Lee and Clementine were in previous seasons. No right/wrong answers.
I go by the no killing rule unless I absolutely have to i.e. Kenny stabbing Jane and I know I would be able to make it up with Clem in next episodes so it wasn't really a big deal. Still, I think he started to completely loose it since Francine's death and acting foolishly.
I'm speaking solely about Conrad's intentions, though you are right—Javier saved his life as well. I'm not counting who saved the other more.
If you play Javi as a guy who doesn't tolerate people threatening his family, or who doesn't like to take any risks (specially after what happened to Mariana) then that's a good enough reason to shoot Conrad. If Conrad pointed a gun at Gabe once to make Javi agree to something, what makes you think he won't do it again? Next time, someone might actually get hurt too. It's a matter of which option you think it's best at that moment and how you want your Javier to deal with crazy ass guys.
It's. not. all. about. Clem. Seriously, is it that hard to understand? There is no such things as "play realistically". It's a damn choice. If you think one is better than the other, fine. But there are no right or wrong choices and they all make sense for Javier.
I understand and agree with what you say!
In my case, the plan seemed like it could benefit a larger number of people than the alternative would. I would've agreed with it even before Conrad pulled a gun on Gabe, and, to be fair, I am tickled that we didn't have the option.