maybe....clem shouldnt have been in this season
idk maybe it should have been about javier and his family exclusively...who cares if their wouldn't have been sales..as long as the season was good.
clem kinda gets in the way of good decision making..and we make decisions for her benefit even though javier barely knows her. I believe that since she is a kid, Javier would do certain things that he would not do for an adult, but sometimes the decisions are just out of character that they don't make sense.
for instance when clem shot that guy over the bullets...i believe javier would have started to see clem as a loose cannon or something and would not defend her at all, but when it came to the decision with conrad i believe he would have shot him because conrad was threatening kids...
but it's too late i guess.....
damn i hope this seasons finds a point eventually cause im still searching for seasons 2's.
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You can't judge Clem entire character in S3 just because of one action, and that action was an accident.
Saying that Clem is a loose cannon because she accidentally shot the guy that just tried to kill her and you, is like saying Kenny is the devil because he yelled at us when Sarita died, or Jane is misandry because she shot Troy in the ****
hmm maybe
idk i just feel some of the shit clem does would have made javier not trust her as much as a lot of us make him
To your point of "who cares if there wasn't sales?" Telltale would a good deal. Regardless of a good story or not Telltale has to make a profit on the content they create and release to the public. And also Clementine had to be in this season for obvious reasons. People are asking for refunds,wanting the episodes rewritten,giving up on Telltale just because clementine isn't the main character. Imagine how these people would react if she was removed entirely. I'm not saying its right but that's just how it is.
We'll need to see where it goes, but for now I agree that I think Clem feels kinda shoehorned in.
Like, she really hasn't done anything, and barely even acts like the Clem we know, she could have been replaced with just another character, plus the disrespectful flashbacks, it feels more and more like Clem is only in the season because people will buy the game because Clem is in it.
Then make decision how you see Javier would make, it's really a hard thing to to do. Know one is putting a gun to your head an saying that you have to make choices for Clems benefit.
Has any character done anything yet in this series yet?
You may have a point.
The only situation similar I can think of is Lilly killing Doug.
And almost nobody wanted to forgive Lilly after what she did, I mean is very different if you have Carley, she straight murdered her, but Doug was an accident, and Ben deserved it, technically Ben attacked us as Eli did. I guess if you don't want to feel biased how did you reacted when Lilly killed Doug?
I guess there is another accident kills not as strong as the one from Clem and Lilly, did you hated Tavia because she killed Carlos? or did you hated Kenny because he let Shawn die?
Duh, but the thing is I love Clem as a character so it's hard to make decisions as Javier that make sense because I care for her a lot.
I mean not really, but still more than Clem.
Javi is the playable character, Kate is shot, David is now the leader of The New Frontier, Tripp would appear to have been the leader of Prescott? Eleanor is the doctor who is helping Kate, Jesus is our tour guide, Conrad has an arch, Gabe is still important to the story and looks up to us.
Clem just cuts down the plot tree so she appears in the story, and is apparently the roughest toughest 13 year old in Prescott and just kills a guy. Then we find out she's New Frontier and nothing more than that.
Even Max and Badger have a bigger influence on the story, with them being the ones at the Junkyard and how Badger seems to be going power mad and Max doesnt even seem like that bad of a guy.
You don't know that! maybe Clem is the real leader of the New Frontier and she is taking us there as a trap.
Plot twist.
Kate getting shot isn't her doing something and it's just as much as a plot "bullet?" to make us go to richmond, David is the leader of the New Frontier is who he is not what he did, Javier being playable doesn't explain what he has done, Tripp being the leader of prescott is what he was not what he did. Gabe being important the story and looking up to Javier is not doing something and he is only important so far as being his nephew.
TT has underestimated the power of crazy fan boys......
Hopefully our affection won't ruin the game experience for the next 3 episodes
If anything they shouldn't have included Javier. At least in the way Telltale did. But Clementine has more of a right to stay in the series considering this is her 3rd season
Kate is taking care of the kids with Javi for 4 years, she is then shot, Telltale seems to be building a romance between Javi and Kate, which will then causes the plot drama between Javi and David.
We cant say much about David, and who knows maybe in the end he will end up being useless, but he is the leader of the New Frontier, which I assume will be extremely important in the next episodes. We already know that he has people branded to join, and took over Richmond by what we can infer was by force.
Javier being the main character means that he is involved in almost every aspect of the story. So far the biggest thing he's done so far would appear to be killing Conrad or not, he also is basically the group leader now seeing that people follow him and listen to his ideas and plans.
Tripp is important because he was the leader of Prescott, he was the one with the rules he had in mind and is basically the second in command now, after Javi. He made an entire community that was organized with trading, jails, and even places to socialist. If Tripp never made Prescott than Prescott would be missing from the story, meaning we'd have no base that we were to come to and return to later for things like medical help.
What I meant about Gabe was that it seems like they are foreshadowing that Gabe will either grow up and be good (like Javi) or bad (like David) and even then he still does things and has an arch (helping Kate in surgery, pointing his gun at Conrad to defend Javi, overall trying to be more useful to everyone)
The fact is that at the moment we do not know all that happened to her in the 2 year time skip....We know she joined the NF...we have an idea why...but we have no clue how it went south...if AJ is in Richmond or somewhere else or even alive. All we know is that she needed a car and was willing to take one by force. She kills a man accidently, but he did attack her and cheated her almost getting her killed.
We know that she is untrusting of groups because of NF...she has been alone for awhile so her people skills have taken a hit.
As Javier I am inclined to side with her in the accidental killing of Eli because he did cut my face with a knife and it was a dick move selling bad bullets that coulda got Javier as well as CLem killed.
Something people may not have noticed...there are not a whole lot of children...Prescott you saw none that I could see. A bit of that is because people are only now settling down and adapting to the new realities of the world. Clementine survives despite being a 13 year old because she is not a child....she is alive. Staying the edge of these settlements gives her just enough safety without joining a group and either losing loved ones or getting fucked over. I would submit that this Clem is what she should be. In S2 she was not above stealing supplies from the cabin group...now she is stealing cars. Even her language is courser...the types of people she runs into would see someone who doesn't use cuss words as week and potential prey. The only thing I suspect that is unrealistic about her experiences other than walkers is never running into a potential rapist.
This is the friggen apocalypse and some of you are complaining that Clem has become darker more violent. She is a reflection of a world that you have been playing for years...or didn't you get the idea? You ever see the series? Read the Comics? I am thinking that TellTale is bringing it tonally in line with the Comics. That does not mean there is nothing left of the child we fell in love with.
She is still good at heart, she is kind. She digs Mariana's grave for you...saves you if you went down to reason with Badger even compliments you on keeping your family together. This is a good person, but she is a survivor...she is a culmination of Lee and Kenny and Jane and Luke...and even a bit of Carver. She is has a stronger will to survive than adults...her youth allowed her to adapt better.
So I guess I just do not know what you're complaining about in regards to her character...we are only 2 hours in...hopefully the next 3 episodes are actually longer than 1 hour....at least 90 minutes TT please....and hopefully 2 hours or more. But we have only just started this adventure...it is about discovering what she has been through and how is will affect the events now playing out.
BTW...I hope you all had a good Christmas or whatever Holiday you celebrate.
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Agreed. It makes most players biased toward saving her whatever the cost.
Anyway. I'm conflicted.
Maybe I was reading the situation wrong or Clem switched guns and I missed it, but wasn't the whole point that she thought the bullets in her gun didn't work and that one just happened to? That's what the argument was about in the first place. So she didn't mean to kill him.
To be fair, Clem is a kid and people tend to think they see what they get with kids.
What makes the least sense in game is how much Tripp trusts Javier and Clem. That thing with Conrad should have gone over much, much worse.
By the same token, if Clem didn't ambush the truck Javier would have been taken prisoner and/or killed ending the story. She is also the one who lead Javier to Prescott meaning that Javier would never knew were the base was to begin with. She is also someone with ties with The New Frontier.
I'll wait and see, but I agree that the game didn't have to have Clementine. We could have used that extra screen time (even though it's not a lot) to do flashbacks or something to show more of Javier's relationship with his brother and the whole family dynamic and therefore build more emotion in the conflict and story.
who cares? If there isnt sales the franchise is over.
exactly
People seem to forget this "season"wouldn't sell well if they didn't have Clementine. Look at TWD:Michonne. TWDG is about Clementine just as much as TWD Tv show is about Rick Grimes. It's not hard to grasp at.
If you don't like that Clementine is in the story, here's a solution!
Play. Something. Else.
They should have kept her has the playable character.
Honestly she adds nothing to the season except for appeasing the people that would complain if she wasn't in it. We've already seen bringing her back completely destroyed the endings of season 2
Exactly, but people are annoyed because she doesn't care, she just says "Oh no, well, shit happens, lie for me homie" and that's it, I guess there is people here that managed to never let Clementine kill any human being.
That's why even if you tell the truth, nothing bad happens, because it still was an accident.
Yes I believe TWD A new frontier should equally be about Clementine and Javier. This shouldn't just be Javier's story,
Dude telltale themselves have said that the walking dead as always been about clem so why would they take it her out. Yeah season 3 is Javiers story but he's only there because telltale wants to appeal to new people. Which in fine with since Javier is a cool character. But still clem is very centered around the pot.
Yea. She clearly panicked after I happened, she was pretty upset and considering I was right next to her when we were surrounded by walkers I wasn't too pleased either. Not to mention this is a brand new place I'm in, and everyone but Tripp seemed to be ok that a guy was ripping off people coming in to trade? Tripp got major points from me for outright stating the dude was a douche.
There'd be a lot less requests from people who didn't buy the game because TT made it clear she wasn't in it lol
i am going to say this to everyone who thinks clems time is over when it is so
is the game cause this would not be season 3 without clem.
For a season 3 to happen it must continue with the story
of the first 2 seasons and continue with the characters of the
first 2 seasons.
To have a different story and different cast would make
it a spin off or a reboot of the franchise not a continuation.
No one gets it and do not mention they did it with
the tv show true detectives they can call it all they want but it had no connection to
the 1st season and therefore should not of counted.
When you make another season whether its 2, 3, or 4
it must continue with the story and cast that was there you cant just throw in
a new story and cast and call it the next season cause one its not a continuation
and has no point its like having batman and than throwing in spiderman in next
time it dont work cause it had nothing to do with spiderman thats just one
example i could use but you get my point but back on topic to make this a season
3 clementine had to be there whether we play her or not it would of been better
to play her again but was not the case but she had to be there not just cause
us clem fans but cause for this to be season 3 otherwise it would either be
a spin off or it would of had to be considered a reboot going from season 1 than
2 i dont think it would of sit well with people who played those seasons i mean
look at 400 days a 1.5 i would kind of call it i guess i hated it as far as those characters
were concerned i only liked bonnie shel and becca didnt care for the others and
there was season 2 which continued where 1 ended i loved season 2 i enjoyed
clem being back and what they did everyone blamed clem for how she was in
season 2 not everyone cared the direction clem went we cant blame her that
was the writers and game developers who changed her also season 3 should of
continued what happen in season 2 they left a lot out in season 2 also we still got
a score to settle with mike and arvo some will say bonnie to but i have nothing
against her and now this version of season 3 which they are calling season 3
doesnt feel like a season 3 more like a spin off or a cross over story but anyway
we waited 2 years for season 3 and this is the best they got this wasnt even
worth the 2 year wait i hate this just as bad as the 400 days
season 2 was my first favorite than season 1 but if i put up everything than its
season 2 season 1 than walking dead michonne than 400 days and a new frontier last
I like having her in this season. I also like the idea of Javi restoring hope back into Clem ( depending on how you play Javi in their interactions.)
Exactly
maybe... Javier shouldn't have been in this season.
Agreed
I think we need to wait and see how the whole season progress before we make a judgement whatever Clem should be in this season or not.
So far, I think she is certainly interesting. She knows more than we know and finding out what she is hiding is really a interesting plot point this season.
i like where clem is now to just the story told doesnt sit with me i would of rather played as her and continue events
after season 2 but it just seems like they really dont care for clem this round more like they put her in to make the
fans happy but over all seems like in my opinion crapping on the game a figure of speech but it seems like
they dont care for it this round like they are trying to end it
Eeeh? That argument is silly, Michonne was boring as hell, I would buy S3 even without clementine.
Maybe for you. For me it's about surviving zombies and people's stories.