Had Conrad not pulled a gun out on Gabe then I may have considered where he was coming from. But the fact is Conrad held a gun to a child's head, and I don't think he's justified even with Gabe pulling one out on him earlier. Gabe pulled a gun out because he was scared for his uncle's safety and had just lost his sister, and possibly lose his step-mother. Gabe is a kid who will make a lot of mistakes and act irrationally. I understand that Conrad is grieving too, but he's a man, an older man. You threaten a child's life in order to use another child as a bargaining chip even though he knows what Javier & Gabe just went through? That disgusted me. So no, I've gotta say that betraying Clementine is the wrong decision - not because it's our favorite girl, but because Conrad crossed the line.
How is it the right thing to do? Clemintine saves Javiers life and gets him to his family. Giving her over to the man who hates you and has a gun to your nephews head just isn't right at all.
Clem would shoot anyone for Javi. Remember the standoff scene at the Prescott's gate? My Javi came down and surrendered himself and when he was about to be executed, Clem shot that NF girl. :P
Maybe instead of getting fed up and striking with his knife that would surely kill her, because a knife hardly jams (unless stuck in the skull), he should've just given her back what she traded him or given her real bullets. And why wouldn't Javier lie? First of all, that guy like I said, could've gotten them both killed (two times that is) and second, Clem did a lot more for him (Javier) than throwing a lie to cover for her. If it wasn't for her to block the truck, he and his family would most likely be dead or his family at the very least. Sure that it wasn't her intention to rescue him or anything like that, but it ended up just like that.
Also, looking at it another way is to win more favor with most likely a decent person that might help you and your family rather than to feel bad for lying for a dead frauder and potential killer.
She pulled out a gun on him.She shot,nothing happened,he still flinched.He got fed up,he attacked.Of course he meant to attack Clem but Javi… moreer protects her anyway.I know she did not mean to shoot him,but maybe pulling the trigger so many times wasn't the smartest idea in the universe.Still doesn't change the fact that she expects you to lie and not suffer the consequences for acting like that.
Shooting him was absolutely glorious, nearly an entire episode of bitching and complaining stopped with a an accurate bullet to the face. Go… moreodbye conrad.
Even looking at this choice with a level not hating the episode head id still shoot him.
* Hes basically crazy, he could betray javier in the future or go on a shooting spree at richmond against the new frontier
2.. No reason his plan would work, new frontier haven't been that useful yet.
* Held family member hostage and was threatening a team member who has been way more useful so far and less whiny
* Betrayal is a worse crime than murder for me at this point
when we can clearly just walk up there and negotiate. ANF don't shoot first and clearly the waters have been muddied with whatever bad blood… more has boiled between these misunderstandings which needs to be cleared right away.
Oh, so Javi could tell the future, Harj!
Negotiating worked awfully because some dipshit hijacked the negotiation, but it had been established that the antagonists are a community that has official procedures and some sort of justice system.
He can call her a friend several times. Ok... why, exactly?
To be totally honest the word friend is gained way to quickly in this ga… moreme. In season 2 episode 3 clementine kept banging on about how "carver killed my friend walter"; I mean seriously? Clementine met him for maybe two hours tops.
Not to mention sarah judges the whole friendship with her based on if you agree to be best friends with two minutes of meeting her, completely forgetting or ignoring anything after that point, where clementine actually does things that warrant them being friends. Telltale doesnt really get how friends work.
It had been established by that point that the New Frontier are an organized group with laws and some kind of justice system, official procedures of what to do with people who harm them, and also a system of "go ahead" to do something that isn't within the rules; all of this suggested that they are reasonable. The existence of dipshits like Badger doesn't negate the fact that the actual group was alright.
Why Conrad wanted to work with them, I have no idea.
Siding with Conrad meant a higher chance of receiving medical help for Kate,
No offence you keep saying this but its not really true… more at all, or at least not much to suggest it is. The reasons why it would work are ramblings of a crazy man. Nothing about these new frontier people seem to suggest they are reasonable at all, plus why does this conrad want a peaceful solution with the new frontier when he hates them.
This is my last argument,because I think I proved my point ,proving that she is a liar that is.
Have you ever heard of mortal wounds?Those suck.He said that he could give her back her batteries.She refused and shot.Even if he wanted to give her real bullets,he couldn't have,since,you know,she killed him.That;s a bad example.She stopped the truck so she could steal the truck and rob those who were in it.His family wouldn't have been dead.Javier would have reached their head quarters first,he would have met David,if David still hated him then at least he cared about his kids ,and he would have gone back and saved them.She actually killed Mariana,indirectly that is.So,tell me again,why should he lie for her,and kill a group memeber and possibly pass up an oportunity to save his lover,Eleanor,Tripp, Conrad and Jesus?
Maybe instead of getting fed up and striking with his knife that would surely kill her, because a knife hardly jams (unless stuck in the sku… morell), he should've just given her back what she traded him or given her real bullets. And why wouldn't Javier lie? First of all, that guy like I said, could've gotten them both killed (two times that is) and second, Clem did a lot more for him (Javier) than throwing a lie to cover for her. If it wasn't for her to block the truck, he and his family would most likely be dead or his family at the very least. Sure that it wasn't her intention to rescue him or anything like that, but it ended up just like that.
Also, looking at it another way is to win more favor with most likely a decent person that might help you and your family rather than to feel bad for lying for a dead frauder and potential killer.
Again,different context.They came to Prescott to bring him to justice for killing their men.
Now,Javier came to Richmond ,begging for help,offering a rogue member.
Let's not even mention that you kicked David out of the picture,and he plays a motherfucking huge role in this.Y'know,maybe he will be sympathetic to his kid and almost dying wife.Yeah.
They didn't even wait for the go-ahead.
And who says some other dipshit won't hijack negotiation again? Do you think they suddenly disappeared? I think I'll trust Clementine on this one when she says they're not really the type of community to bargain with other people, them taking over Richmond is a case in point.
Negotiating worked awfully because some dipshit hijacked the negotiation, but it had been established that the antagonists are a community that has official procedures and some sort of justice system.
I highlighted that Conrad saved Javier not to establish that the latter owed the former, but to note that Conrad had the chance of letting Javier died, and if he truly wanted him dead he would've taken it.
So putting a gun to Gabe's head to prove his point is alright? Also, people have said that if you don't choose fast enough Conrad shoots Gab… moree and you. What a bloody killer IMHO. I would shoot him every time in my playthrough.
You also said that it's not about who owed whom, but you guys were the ones to bring the point that Conrad helped you out as if it's to underline your point.
Badger and his people hijacked the negotiation, but the group did have ways of proceeding—that didn't include murdering anyone.
However, I do understand that somebody like Badger could've been in charge at the gates of Richmond instead of somebody else that followed the rules of the group. I hadn't taken that into consideration before. We truly were lucky that Max was there.
Nonetheless, Clementine was wrong to say that they're not the type of people who negotiates when we know that they have laws and a justice system.
They didn't even wait for the go-ahead.
And who says some other dipshit won't hijack negotiation again? Do you think they suddenly disappea… morered? I think I'll trust Clementine on this one when she says they're not really the type of community to bargain with other people, them taking over Richmond is a case in point.
Clementine said they USED to be decent people but then they became something else, surely a reason why she left the group.
Nonetheless, Clementine was wrong to say that they're not the type of people who negotiates when we know that they have laws and a justice system.
I'm sure the people who were there before they took over care about their rules.
Either way there was no reason for Conrad to force Clementine to come with the group, she said she wanted to go, then let her leave. That's up to her and not Javier or Conrad to decide for her, she can take care of herself now. She could have kept her secret for the whole season, but she told him the truth anyway, just like Lee didn't reveal his past before the third episode (determinant) and just like I played her in season 2. I was glad she told me the truth but since there was a choice between killing and negotiating, I chose negotiating knowing perfectly things won't go well for them in Richmond.
Badger and his people hijacked the negotiation, but the group did have ways of proceeding—that didn't include murdering anyone.
However, … moreI do understand that somebody like Badger could've been in charge at the gates of Richmond instead of somebody else that followed the rules of the group. I hadn't taken that into consideration before. We truly were lucky that Max was there.
Nonetheless, Clementine was wrong to say that they're not the type of people who negotiates when we know that they have laws and a justice system.
This is your last argument, but you end your reply with a question that expects an answer.
So let's see, He said he was going to try and trade after attempting to kill them, neat. She never refused, she just pulled the trigger without expecting it to actually fire, based on the previous attempts. And he only started negotiating after they disarmed him and he saw there was no other way, but you know, that's how swindlers work. And we don't actually know where or what will happen with you on that truck. They could've easily put you in some save house nearby and not directly to David.
Why? Because Clementine saves you more than once and backs you up numerous times, because the so called group member threatens to kill your nephew and you if you don't go with his terms, because Clementine could've easily kept quiet that she was part of New Frontier if she so desired, but she told you anyway. And because he could've killed everyone with his reckless action of firing his gun in the tunnel.
This is my last argument,because I think I proved my point ,proving that she is a liar that is.
Have you ever heard of mortal wounds?Those … moresuck.He said that he could give her back her batteries.She refused and shot.Even if he wanted to give her real bullets,he couldn't have,since,you know,she killed him.That;s a bad example.She stopped the truck so she could steal the truck and rob those who were in it.His family wouldn't have been dead.Javier would have reached their head quarters first,he would have met David,if David still hated him then at least he cared about his kids ,and he would have gone back and saved them.She actually killed Mariana,indirectly that is.So,tell me again,why should he lie for her,and kill a group memeber and possibly pass up an oportunity to save his lover,Eleanor,Tripp, Conrad and Jesus?
God,here we go again.She didn't back you up numerous times.She told you because she couldn't have left otherwise without being interrogated by others.That's why she only told Javier.She expected him to give her free rein and let her leave.
And btw,she refused. 'I don't want batteries,I just want bullets that won't get me kille-'.
Don't disagree with me if you haven't been paying attention to some details.
This is your last argument, but you end your reply with a question that expects an answer.
So let's see, He said he was going to try and … moretrade after attempting to kill them, neat. She never refused, she just pulled the trigger without expecting it to actually fire, based on the previous attempts. And he only started negotiating after they disarmed him and he saw there was no other way, but you know, that's how swindlers work. And we don't actually know where or what will happen with you on that truck. They could've easily put you in some save house nearby and not directly to David.
Why? Because Clementine saves you more than once and backs you up numerous times, because the so called group member threatens to kill your nephew and you if you don't go with his terms, because Clementine could've easily kept quiet that she was part of New Frontier if she so desired, but she told you anyway. And because he could've killed everyone with his reckless action of firing his gun in the tunnel.
What are you even talking about? She could've left whenever she wanted to. No one would've stopped her. She already said she comes and goes to Prescott every now and then. She is a freelancer. I know what she says, but it doesn't change any of the facts I've said so far.
God,here we go again.She didn't back you up numerous times.She told you because she couldn't have left otherwise without being interrogated … moreby others.That's why she only told Javier.She expected him to give her free rein and let her leave.
And btw,she refused. 'I don't want batteries,I just want bullets that won't get me kille-'.
Don't disagree with me if you haven't been paying attention to some details.
What are you even talking about? She could've left whenever she wanted to. No one would've stopped her. She already said she comes and goes … moreto Prescott every now and then. She is a freelancer. I know what she says, but it doesn't change any of the facts I've said so far.
You really think Conrad gives a dusty fuck about Kate getting medicine? Yeah, he cares so much about her, that he put a gun her her step kid's head. His motive for trying to hand Clem over to The New Frontier is obviously a purely selfish one and his Actions show he doesn't care who else gets hurt. Therefore, Conrad can't be trusted anymore. I mean, even if you agree to his plan, how long before he stabs Javi in the back?
As for you guys who have been pointing out that Clem lied about being a member of TNF; so fucking what? What exactly does that change? What harm does that directly do to Javi or his family? Javi had a dust up with them before he even met Clem, they were after him anyway. Clem played it close to the chest because she didn't know how he would react and who can blame her for that? Especially since it doesn't really change the circumstances they find themselves in, in any meaningful way.
Conrad's plan was a dumb one, since Javi had no way to know how TNF would react to you using Clem as a bargaining chip. They could just shoot you and take Clem anyway. or just shoot Clem and then that would be that. Once you bring her up to the gates, they have no obligation towards you
And don't give me this 'My choice is the logical one and yours is emotional' crap; both choices are emotional choices. Sacrificing someone for someone else you CARE about more is an Emotional decision! Unless you mean that it's more logical for javi to be so emotionally invested in Kate that he has no problem compromising his moral principles, then you might have some kind of argument, but it would be a pretty weak one since it's the player that determines his moral character. So if you think it's more logical for him to have that emotional response, you're projecting.
The Javi that I'm playing doesn't turn on group members; if he did, what reason would anyone else have to trust him. As Stitch Hessian would say..."You Protect the Man you're with... You watch his back, everybody knows that!"
If Conrad had considered that before he started waving that gun in peoples faces, I might not have painted the walls with his brains.
You really think Conrad gives a dusty fuck about Kate getting medicine? Yeah, he cares so much about her, that he put a gun her her step kid… more's head. His motive for trying to hand Clem over to The New Frontier is obviously a purely selfish one and his Actions show he doesn't care who else gets hurt. Therefore, Conrad can't be trusted anymore. I mean, even if you agree to his plan, how long before he stabs Javi in the back?
As for you guys who have been pointing out that Clem lied about being a member of TNF; so fucking what? What exactly does that change? What harm does that directly do to Javi or his family? Javi had a dust up with them before he even met Clem, they were after him anyway. Clem played it close to the chest because she didn't know how he would react and who can blame her for that? Especially since it doesn't really change the circumstances they find themselves in, in any meaningful way.
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That was pretty stupid, now that I think about it. If she'd been outright with it to everyone earlier, they probably wouldn't have suspected her. She could have told them that she used to be New Frontier, found out they were bad people, and left. She could have given them some insight too so she'd be useful as more than just a "bargaining chip". Considering she got into a firefight with them, they probably would have believed her. It was her keeping it a secret for so long that made them suspect foul play.
However, once it was all done, it wasn't the right choice to betray Clementine. If only because Conrad is unpredictable and dangerous at that point. When he started threatening children at gunpoint, especially Gabe, it was over. Especially after he'd been outright hostile towards Javier in the past. He can't be trusted with their lives in his hands or to have their backs. Even if your Javier doesn't trust Clementine, there's no good reason to trust Conrad either, and only one of those two was threatening you at that moment. And at least Clementine has saved your ass multiple times and doesn't have a reason to want you dead. Conrad has plenty in his eyes.
Javier didn't and doesn't know any of that.
Just like Lee/Sarita didn't know they would die irregardless of whether you cut their ar… morems to save them. Or the Stranger coming after you either way, or Arvo thinking you stole him even when you didn't. That's scripted events for you.
Oh, for sure! Some players aim for morality, others for group pragmatism, others for selective pragmatism, and others are just trying to keep the playable character alive at all costs.
Glad we understand each other.
How do you get them wanting Clementine to die in scenarios where Clementine dies in front of them - believe it or not but if you saw a person die, that doesn't mean you wanted them dead, there is the possibility of - not being able to save them in time, among several other reasons.
Why not? If a character, such as Mike, chooses to let Clementine fall to her death should we not take that into account because it's not how the story goes yet gives us a greater insight of the character? If you're not going to take definite alternate actions that are shown of said character then you can't fully analyse said character because you're directly choosing to ignore their alternate flawed moments.
Well that's true, except they've shown many times how characters will automatically perform actions even if you don't correctly do anything - if we're not going to count what characters definitely do in alternate situations as a way to analyse them further and deeper, then what is the point of even having that specific death/fail scene in the first place?
True, I'm playing this (as I usually do) as the character themselves, so Javier's character is well made and has good decisions that are relevant to his personality and situation. Though, I do think that some of the "Side with Clementine" options aren't needed and are just there for the Clem lovers. Like the: "We make a good team" after you get locked up with her. Why? You just met a few hours ago, and have only done anything together, or at least on equal terms for the first time. Some of the dialogue doesn't feel true to the character or situation. Even the "Go with family/Stand and Fight" Fighting the looters Javier met before would make sense, but it is redundant that he's waste time messing with them. Their small group of 5-6 people wouldn't be a problem (at least, as far as Javier knows) if they still took refuge in the large, fortified Prescott.
I agree. I had Javier shoot Conrad, yet I didn't do it for Clementine, but for Gabe. I don't like Gabriel, but he's part of Javier's family.… more Telltale has failed so far to make Javier's catalyst function between the player and Clementine work well because the two are just too friendly for it to be believable.
He can call her a friend several times. Ok... why, exactly? They met a few days ago under less than friendly circumstances, yet they seem to be best buddies at the end of Episode 2. Javier often just feels like a means to help players bond with Clem more directly. But it makes no sense at all in the story of the game for him to treat Clementine as players of the previous Seasons would.
Apocalypse or not, I'd still have the same moral standards.
Lee didn't kill Ben in my playthrough. The "worst" he did was calling Ben out for his massive stupidity and recklessness. Michelle was a bloody murderer and didn't deserve any empathy. Yet both Ben and Michelle were older and more mature than Gabe is right now.
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Had Conrad not pulled a gun out on Gabe then I may have considered where he was coming from. But the fact is Conrad held a gun to a child's head, and I don't think he's justified even with Gabe pulling one out on him earlier. Gabe pulled a gun out because he was scared for his uncle's safety and had just lost his sister, and possibly lose his step-mother. Gabe is a kid who will make a lot of mistakes and act irrationally. I understand that Conrad is grieving too, but he's a man, an older man. You threaten a child's life in order to use another child as a bargaining chip even though he knows what Javier & Gabe just went through? That disgusted me. So no, I've gotta say that betraying Clementine is the wrong decision - not because it's our favorite girl, but because Conrad crossed the line.
How is it the right thing to do? Clemintine saves Javiers life and gets him to his family. Giving her over to the man who hates you and has a gun to your nephews head just isn't right at all.
Clem would shoot Javi for Alvin!
Maybe instead of getting fed up and striking with his knife that would surely kill her, because a knife hardly jams (unless stuck in the skull), he should've just given her back what she traded him or given her real bullets. And why wouldn't Javier lie? First of all, that guy like I said, could've gotten them both killed (two times that is) and second, Clem did a lot more for him (Javier) than throwing a lie to cover for her. If it wasn't for her to block the truck, he and his family would most likely be dead or his family at the very least. Sure that it wasn't her intention to rescue him or anything like that, but it ended up just like that.
Also, looking at it another way is to win more favor with most likely a decent person that might help you and your family rather than to feel bad for lying for a dead frauder and potential killer.
Look how trying to reason with them worked for Francine and Prescott.
Because negotiating worked so well for Prescott.
I will shoot anyone who tries to hurt/kill AJ. If I have to choose I'll always choose the baby first.
Negotiating worked awfully because some dipshit hijacked the negotiation, but it had been established that the antagonists are a community that has official procedures and some sort of justice system.
Telltale doesn't have any friends.
It had been established by that point that the New Frontier are an organized group with laws and some kind of justice system, official procedures of what to do with people who harm them, and also a system of "go ahead" to do something that isn't within the rules; all of this suggested that they are reasonable. The existence of dipshits like Badger doesn't negate the fact that the actual group was alright.
Why Conrad wanted to work with them, I have no idea.
This is my last argument,because I think I proved my point ,proving that she is a liar that is.
Have you ever heard of mortal wounds?Those suck.He said that he could give her back her batteries.She refused and shot.Even if he wanted to give her real bullets,he couldn't have,since,you know,she killed him.That;s a bad example.She stopped the truck so she could steal the truck and rob those who were in it.His family wouldn't have been dead.Javier would have reached their head quarters first,he would have met David,if David still hated him then at least he cared about his kids ,and he would have gone back and saved them.She actually killed Mariana,indirectly that is.So,tell me again,why should he lie for her,and kill a group memeber and possibly pass up an oportunity to save his lover,Eleanor,Tripp, Conrad and Jesus?
Clem did indirectly contribute to Mari's death.
But holding her accountable for it is ridiculous.
Again,different context.They came to Prescott to bring him to justice for killing their men.
Now,Javier came to Richmond ,begging for help,offering a rogue member.
Let's not even mention that you kicked David out of the picture,and he plays a motherfucking huge role in this.Y'know,maybe he will be sympathetic to his kid and almost dying wife.Yeah.
They didn't even wait for the go-ahead.
And who says some other dipshit won't hijack negotiation again? Do you think they suddenly disappeared? I think I'll trust Clementine on this one when she says they're not really the type of community to bargain with other people, them taking over Richmond is a case in point.
I highlighted that Conrad saved Javier not to establish that the latter owed the former, but to note that Conrad had the chance of letting Javier died, and if he truly wanted him dead he would've taken it.
Badger and his people hijacked the negotiation, but the group did have ways of proceeding—that didn't include murdering anyone.
However, I do understand that somebody like Badger could've been in charge at the gates of Richmond instead of somebody else that followed the rules of the group. I hadn't taken that into consideration before. We truly were lucky that Max was there.
Nonetheless, Clementine was wrong to say that they're not the type of people who negotiates when we know that they have laws and a justice system.
Clementine said they USED to be decent people but then they became something else, surely a reason why she left the group.
I'm sure the people who were there before they took over care about their rules.
Either way there was no reason for Conrad to force Clementine to come with the group, she said she wanted to go, then let her leave. That's up to her and not Javier or Conrad to decide for her, she can take care of herself now. She could have kept her secret for the whole season, but she told him the truth anyway, just like Lee didn't reveal his past before the third episode (determinant) and just like I played her in season 2. I was glad she told me the truth but since there was a choice between killing and negotiating, I chose negotiating knowing perfectly things won't go well for them in Richmond.
This is your last argument, but you end your reply with a question that expects an answer.
So let's see, He said he was going to try and trade after attempting to kill them, neat. She never refused, she just pulled the trigger without expecting it to actually fire, based on the previous attempts. And he only started negotiating after they disarmed him and he saw there was no other way, but you know, that's how swindlers work. And we don't actually know where or what will happen with you on that truck. They could've easily put you in some save house nearby and not directly to David.
Why? Because Clementine saves you more than once and backs you up numerous times, because the so called group member threatens to kill your nephew and you if you don't go with his terms, because Clementine could've easily kept quiet that she was part of New Frontier if she so desired, but she told you anyway. And because he could've killed everyone with his reckless action of firing his gun in the tunnel.
God,here we go again.She didn't back you up numerous times.She told you because she couldn't have left otherwise without being interrogated by others.That's why she only told Javier.She expected him to give her free rein and let her leave.
And btw,she refused. 'I don't want batteries,I just want bullets that won't get me kille-'.
Don't disagree with me if you haven't been paying attention to some details.
What are you even talking about? She could've left whenever she wanted to. No one would've stopped her. She already said she comes and goes to Prescott every now and then. She is a freelancer. I know what she says, but it doesn't change any of the facts I've said so far.
By the way,don't include plot reasons.Like,she told you that she was a part of the New Frontier for plot reasons.
Those don't really count.
You really think Conrad gives a dusty fuck about Kate getting medicine? Yeah, he cares so much about her, that he put a gun her her step kid's head. His motive for trying to hand Clem over to The New Frontier is obviously a purely selfish one and his Actions show he doesn't care who else gets hurt. Therefore, Conrad can't be trusted anymore. I mean, even if you agree to his plan, how long before he stabs Javi in the back?
As for you guys who have been pointing out that Clem lied about being a member of TNF; so fucking what? What exactly does that change? What harm does that directly do to Javi or his family? Javi had a dust up with them before he even met Clem, they were after him anyway. Clem played it close to the chest because she didn't know how he would react and who can blame her for that? Especially since it doesn't really change the circumstances they find themselves in, in any meaningful way.
Conrad's plan was a dumb one, since Javi had no way to know how TNF would react to you using Clem as a bargaining chip. They could just shoot you and take Clem anyway. or just shoot Clem and then that would be that. Once you bring her up to the gates, they have no obligation towards you
And don't give me this 'My choice is the logical one and yours is emotional' crap; both choices are emotional choices. Sacrificing someone for someone else you CARE about more is an Emotional decision! Unless you mean that it's more logical for javi to be so emotionally invested in Kate that he has no problem compromising his moral principles, then you might have some kind of argument, but it would be a pretty weak one since it's the player that determines his moral character. So if you think it's more logical for him to have that emotional response, you're projecting.
The Javi that I'm playing doesn't turn on group members; if he did, what reason would anyone else have to trust him. As Stitch Hessian would say..."You Protect the Man you're with... You watch his back, everybody knows that!"
If Conrad had considered that before he started waving that gun in peoples faces, I might not have painted the walls with his brains.
You phrased what I thought better than I ever could.
It was the only way I could get your thoughts out of my head.
That was pretty stupid, now that I think about it. If she'd been outright with it to everyone earlier, they probably wouldn't have suspected her. She could have told them that she used to be New Frontier, found out they were bad people, and left. She could have given them some insight too so she'd be useful as more than just a "bargaining chip". Considering she got into a firefight with them, they probably would have believed her. It was her keeping it a secret for so long that made them suspect foul play.
However, once it was all done, it wasn't the right choice to betray Clementine. If only because Conrad is unpredictable and dangerous at that point. When he started threatening children at gunpoint, especially Gabe, it was over. Especially after he'd been outright hostile towards Javier in the past. He can't be trusted with their lives in his hands or to have their backs. Even if your Javier doesn't trust Clementine, there's no good reason to trust Conrad either, and only one of those two was threatening you at that moment. And at least Clementine has saved your ass multiple times and doesn't have a reason to want you dead. Conrad has plenty in his eyes.
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How do you get them wanting Clementine to die in scenarios where Clementine dies in front of them - believe it or not but if you saw a person die, that doesn't mean you wanted them dead, there is the possibility of - not being able to save them in time, among several other reasons.
Why not? If a character, such as Mike, chooses to let Clementine fall to her death should we not take that into account because it's not how the story goes yet gives us a greater insight of the character? If you're not going to take definite alternate actions that are shown of said character then you can't fully analyse said character because you're directly choosing to ignore their alternate flawed moments.
Well that's true, except they've shown many times how characters will automatically perform actions even if you don't correctly do anything - if we're not going to count what characters definitely do in alternate situations as a way to analyse them further and deeper, then what is the point of even having that specific death/fail scene in the first place?
It would be nice to have a rather nice medium decision rather than picking from two different extremes :x
Pretty easily apparently.
True, I'm playing this (as I usually do) as the character themselves, so Javier's character is well made and has good decisions that are relevant to his personality and situation. Though, I do think that some of the "Side with Clementine" options aren't needed and are just there for the Clem lovers. Like the: "We make a good team" after you get locked up with her. Why? You just met a few hours ago, and have only done anything together, or at least on equal terms for the first time. Some of the dialogue doesn't feel true to the character or situation. Even the "Go with family/Stand and Fight" Fighting the looters Javier met before would make sense, but it is redundant that he's waste time messing with them. Their small group of 5-6 people wouldn't be a problem (at least, as far as Javier knows) if they still took refuge in the large, fortified Prescott.
I shot Conrad because of multiple reasons:
It was a tough choice for me too. I froze and let the timer run out the first time. Made my decision a lot easier and quicker the second time around.
Sorry Conrad
I did create a 2nd save file though
Spoilers in the topic title.@_@
Jesus Christ, use a comma m8.
If you haven't played the episodes yet then you shouldn't be on these forums. The episode has been out for a week.
Fuck conrad omar little lookin mother fooka. Nah i liked him i just felt he should be with his wife
Apocalypse or not, I'd still have the same moral standards.
Lee didn't kill Ben in my playthrough. The "worst" he did was calling Ben out for his massive stupidity and recklessness. Michelle was a bloody murderer and didn't deserve any empathy. Yet both Ben and Michelle were older and more mature than Gabe is right now.